VC Vinyl Community Lockdown Session April 21 - special guest Tone Scott!

Check out Tone here / tonyscottzubia
Listen to Mark at www.mixcloud.com/mark-william...
Listen to John at www.mixcloud.com/kiefferjohn/​​​

[@CoreysChannel]

Great episode gentleman. The Joe Henderson is fantastic! He is so well balanced and shares playing time with the band letting all the members contribute. This album is highly replayable. YES Craft records has amazing quality! Nice Record Stores book by Bernd Jonkmanns. I still need to get that bad boy. Cheers!

[@melomano4145]

Fantastic willie hutch album... I'll be on the look out for that one. Tom brock is great as well, and I should think it's a pretty good reissue if Mr bongo is involved... Great stuff as always, cheers

[@jackc.sondag4377]

Hey Thanks for the shout out John! That is a really nice record....there's another sleeper, meaning not that expensive- kind of a free mellow Japanese thing, can't think of the title right off hand...."Essence" maybe....well...when I do I'll message you.....that Tom Brock I need! FM is a beautiful tune! Nice session!

[@drrhythmn]

Cheers Jack

[@djvinylvertigo]

That's MY favorite, also!!! Mmmmmmm!!! 🤣🤣

[@spinningreek2247]

Great to see you guys get together with Tone! Great dude. Hope to see you both physically together soon!

[@drrhythmn]

Won't be long now Stavros - maybe end of May?

[@Paneeks1960]

Fantastic seeing Tone as a special guest. He was relaxed and a perfect fit with John and yourself Mark. I have Tonto's 'Its About Time'. Super album. I do not know if I told you guys this story. But Susan Tedeschi's family owned Tedeschi's Food Mart's Kind of like a 7-11 of sorts all over Massachusetts. 7-11 bought them out a few years ago. I was happy to see Steely Dan with Walter Becker twice. The first was actually the Rock & Soul Revue. Do you remember them? Fagen, Phoebe Snow, Michael McDonald, Boz Scaggs, Eddie Brigati and Walter Becker. So technically it was three of the original Steely Dan members. Enjoyed Tone's suggestions too. You all could write a book on music. Well done guys. This is the last Lockdown Session? Rob/Boston

[@omniversal7]

Yes - I somehow knew about Susan T. Maybe you told us before. She sure can sing. I remember hearing about the Rock & Soul and there's a track (Bright Lights?) on the Fagen Xmas box. Now I haven't listened to Phoebe Snow for a long time. About to fix that. All best to you Rob

[@bencostello7317]

Hey lads and a special hi to TS. Got your PM Tone cheers Dads operation on Thursday was a success. Must watch that show Mark I’m watching Fauda.

[@drrhythmn]

Must watch Fauda then! Hope the family is well Ben

[@S242]

I can always depend on Mark to come up with a jewel, this time being Tonto's Expanding Headband. I bought that 1st album in the very early 70s as I was discovering electronic music, moog in particular. Groundbreaking stuff, for sure. Another fine episode, guys. Thanks.

[@drrhythmn]

Cheers Steve and happy to share these gems!

[@Localbandography]

Thanks for sharing the Ghost Trees John. I love how you can hear the room in the recording as well. I picked up the Floating Points with Pharoah a few weeks ago. Beautiful record. The flippers are already having a field day with it and the 180 gram version isn’t even out yet I think lol. Glad to hear that you guys are getting back in the shops. I just found that Alice Coltrane At Tip Top here myself recently. If Reggie Workman is in the mix you can never go wrong. I’ve seen Derek Trucks play in all kinds of settings. Unreal guitarist. Saw him play with the Allman Brothers at the Beacon Theatre. With Tedeschi at a festival here and at Winthrop College leading his own band. Always a good time. I need the Togashi. I have his records with Don Cherry and Mangelsdorff. Another great session gentlemen.

[@omniversal7]

Thanks Dave. The Togashi records with Cherry are particularly great.

[@djvinylvertigo]

Louvin Brothers

[@Thevinylscavenger]

@33:15 I think you are talking about the louvin brothers - satan is real. I picked up that Dylan book in a charity shop though reading it in a day or week is a tad optimistic for me.

[@omniversal7]

Certainly was Satan Is Real! Thanks

[@secretstairsrecords9972]

Mmmmmm 💛

[@marcjaffrey81]

late to the party John on TTB - I don't get to say that too often! First time in fact!

[@omniversal7]

Yep - enjoying catching up though!

[@marcjaffrey81]

that Steely Dan pressing is hard to find - great catch!

[@drrhythmn]

Thank you Marc - it was a must buy! So nice be able to get out and dig for records again!

[@miketomlin6040]

Ideal guest, Tone is a champion for many of the less valued vinyls which you two are also known to wax lyrical about at times. $38 is Og money. This current craze for new Jazz reissues for Lp's frequently reissued and quite easily found for 5-10$ is a dubious development. The Brock is Soul Cheese, love the backing singers contributions on it, have this angelic slightly mocking yet elevating impact. Hutch is also Camembert, backing singers the highlight there as well. How many Lp's exist where the weakest singer in the studio is the lead vocalist, must be tens of thousands!

[@omniversal7]

Agree about some of the current jazz reissues. Some of the stuff that wasn't very good the first time around has somehow become 'classic" in 2021!? Bang on description of the Brock too!

[@miketomlin6040]

@@omniversal7 If you pay $38 for a vinyl the mind 'tricks' the grooves into sounding much better than they are, more often than not . I assume there is money to be made reissuing the same Lp's every few years! It's not just Jazz, a lot of pop/rock Lp's are now being newly pressed and sold for 20-40$ even though you can quite easily find a vg plus pressing for a few dollars in many or most cases.

[@omniversal7]

@@miketomlin6040 Absolutely. I think the tricks happen with the music too - particularly jazz stuff on independent labels and Blue Note. There are lots records that I used to sell (or maybe not sell) in the shop and mail order back in the day that seemed just OK or worse at the time that have suddenly now been elevated to a 'spiritual jazz classic' or a 'hard bop masterpiece'. I'm obviously grateful for the good stuff that is being reissued but the marketing seems to have gone a bit crazy ....

[@miketomlin6040]

@@omniversal7 Hard Bop masterpiece might be an oxymoron, I'm not much of a fan of Jazz, with a few exceptions, until the late 60's / early 70's. I'm a vinyl dealer. I notice a lot of vinyls, which we used to call dollar/pound bin records, also selling in the Rock/Pop field that have been elevated, for reasons non related to the music, in these vinyl renaissance times. Each time I sell a vg plus Queen, Kinks, etc vinyl for 20-30$ now, Queen fly out, I feel quite guilty! It seems to be mostly the 15-25 demographic that are buying banal hyped up Pop and Jazz vinyls , quite often by VC characters!! What shop did you work in, maybe we met when I was living in London , digging around back in the 80's/90's. Mole Jazz in Kings Cross was my main Jazz dive or perhaps Honest Jons. I've lost count of the records I could have had at Mole for 5 pounds that are now going for a 100 or more, best not thinking about of course........

[@omniversal7]

​@@miketomlin6040 Me too. I bought and still buy lots of records from Honest Jons (which is just down the road) and was a regular at Mole whose prices were always very good. The only downside with Mole was that it was impossible to get their price stickers off! There are some very odd things happening in the vinyl market at the moment: people buying records who don't have record players; people who've made big money in the City or property market starting labels as vanity projects; rich people using daigous (professional shoppers) to buy an ideal lifestyle vinyl record collection for them. It's getting as mad as the art market!

[@Billysrecordsalon]

Could watch Mark and John for hours. I feel like I should invoice you both for the thousands of records I didn’t know I needed that I’ve purchased this last year because of y’all. That Pointer Sisters/Headhunters track?! Wow. Quick note/buyer beware; Cornbread is NOT an audiophile label as it’s just another grey market open copyright work around. Lastly, where again should I start with Gino Vannelli? It just hasn’t clicked for me yet.

[@TONEScott]

Every Cornbread release that I have is pressed on heavy vinyl (180), has a different mastering than any digital copy I have to compare with(in regards to this record, my OJC remaster on CD), and is different than the original (my 1st press Mono), and from what I've researched either pays to, or pays for the use of 'restored' analog tape for their pressings. Also, I didn't say it "IS" an audiophile label (meaning it markets itself as one), I said that I (myself) would look at it as an underrated audiophile outlet being that the pressings I own from them compete with recordings from other labels that call themselves audiophile. That's what I was trying to convey.

[@Billysrecordsalon]

@@TONEScott Ultimately it’s your ears to enjoy but I just wanted to warn folks that these are almost certainly cut from Digital files or even worst, a CD. Craft on the other hand who has the original master tapes can cut an all analog “audiophile” version of the record. Much like Tone Poets or Acoustic Sounds. So for about 10 bucks more and miles away in sound, ethics and vibe you can get closest thing to an OG. The estates receive nothing from grey market releases like Wax Time, Dol, Doxy, etc. Also, keep in mind 180 grams has absolutely no effect on audio quality. It’s just a weight and makes an LP more durable and less likely to be damaged easily aka a marketing scheme.

[@TONEScott]

@@Billysrecordsalonyou might do a bit more research of the market, and make claims only where you have facts. I own enough records to know and have "an ear" enough to make immediate distinctions between variations in mixes and masterings regarding finished and pressed recordings. The remaster that i have of this particular record is definitely not digital on wax...that, I can hear. Moreover and I think more importantly for you to know, is that heavier vinyl weight ABSOLUTELY has an effect on audio quality, and was established for that very purpose, and not because they wanted to make a more "durable" record; that has absolutely nothing to do with the reason behind 180, 200, and 220 gram pressings. NO, you cannot change the recorded sonic thumbprint of a recording just because it's pressed on heavier weight vinyl; you're correct about that, BUT you absolutely manipulate the sonics in regards to playback when you use heavier weight vinyl to press a record, and that was thee purpose behind creating the use of heavier weight vinyl pressings. When you add mass to anything (dealing with sonic properties), you create a platform for less external and intrusive noises that are created by movement (vibrations... which is what music transfer is, it's just vibrations). So when you add mass to a musical platform (whether the turntable or the media, in this case a vinyl record) you allow for much better intrusive-sound-dampening, hence beter playback and sonic delivery. That's why we use 180, 200, 220 gram pressings, not because we want a stronger record. Thank you for the conversation though, that's what it's all about. Have a great day -Cheers

[@Billysrecordsalon]

I just tried posting a link to an article from Sound Matters called “Does 180g Vinyl Sound Better” after a quick search but I don’t think that’s allowed on YT. There’s a bunch of other helpful articles if you google that as well. I’ve also learned a lot about this on the Hoffman Forum and the legend, Michael Fremer, from Analog Planet, talks about this constantly.

[@TONEScott]

@@Billysrecordsalon Yes, there's definitley a lot of opinions out there; some are motivated by marketing or anti-marketing purposes, and some are motivated by personal pure and honest opinions for sure. I tend to take advice from two entities when it comes to things like this: number one is my ears (which should always be number one I believe), and then my hours of time spent in conversation with Don MacInnis (President/CEO of Record Technolgies , Inc.) who's been a good personal friend for years, and whos technical knowledge of these types of specifcs I consider Gospel. Then, you have to look at facts: why would any bonafide audiophile record label continue to press and release records (for retail) on 180, 200, and even 220g vinyl if there wasnt some sonic benefit to it? We can't argue that it's for marketing purposes, because if that was the only reason, it would be counter productive for them financially as it's much more expensive to press on heavier weight vinyl. If they could get the same level and quality that they felt qualified as an audiophile record on 120 or even 140g vinyl, and save a ton of money doing that, why aren't they doing that? They're not doing that because, at the end of the line (which is ouot of your speakers) heavier mass record will produce quieter sound that standard mass pressings. Any way, these types of discussions are fun. Billy, are you based here in the States? - TONE

[@djtrishm]

Hello gentlemem

[@drrhythmn]

Evening Trish!

[@vinylrichie007]

Is it April 21? I blew it, I’m supposed to start a new job on the 19th.

[@omniversal7]

My mother used to sometimes accuse people of being a 'bit previous'. I guess we're guilty.