Battle Arena Toshinden (Sega Saturn vs Playstation) Side by Side Comparison - VCDECIDE

[@DeVstatrOmga]

Forgot about this game. Played it nonstop back in the day on the Playstation. Still have my copy, clean, no scratches, booklet and all. Think I’ll go play it again such a fun game.

[@SonicAdventureX]

Lucky.

[@TheAxelay]

Ah 1995 and 1996!!! Never to be repeated ever again via gaming!!!

[@ciredecgellar8232]

PS1 is smoother and better transparencies (in ellis costume) Saturn have more content and more options. Same playability. Impressive in 1995, quickly surpassed in both system.

[@ciclistafantasmas]

Transparências na vdp2 do Saturn eram mais tranquilas

[@dad7275]

awesome game with an awesome soundtrack. If I had to pick one fighter to make it come back this would be it on modern consoles. Dukes the man! I'm a Sega Saturn guy but I do believe this game look better on PlayStation one.

[@twanbiz7252]

Poor sega saturn it got destroyed by some of the early ports. It truly is one of the best systems ever when in the right hands.

[@tHeWasTeDYouTh]

nah the game on the saturn came out a year later and it is superior to the PS1.......the saturn had a lot of problems making transparencies because of the way the VDP0 and VP1 communicated and allocated memory.

[@jhkuno88]

"One of the best systems ever" XD .....oh wait, you were being serious? LET ME LAUGH EVEN HARDER The Saturn is pure junk, worthless machinery

[@budgiecat9039]

​@@jhkuno88terrible opinion Saturn had superior arcade ports of the Capcom 2D arcade games: X-Men Children of the Atom X-Men vs Street Fighter Marvel Super Heroes Marvel Super Heroes vs Street Fighter Street Fighter Alpha 1,2,3 Vampire Savior As well as superior ports of the King of Fighters games: KoF 95 and 96 due to the RAM cartridges they came with. Also KoF 97, as well as superior ports of Real Bout Fatal Fury, Real Bout Fatal Fury Special and Samurai Shodown 3 and 4. Saturn also had Astra Superstars 2D fighting game by Sunsoft which was only ported from arcades to the Saturn Also the 2D arcade fighter by Electronic arts called Rabbit. Also the Saturn had Virtua Fighter 2, Last. Bronx, Fighters Megamix, Fighting Vipers (with Pepsiman in it on the JPN version), Dead or Alive (original version with the better 3D backgrounds), a better version of Dragonball Z UB22 (aka Shin Butouden), World Heroes Perfect (which the PlayStation didn't have), and at the only console port of the arcade fighting games Power Instinct 3: Groove on Fight, Waku Wakh 7, and Golden Axe: The Duel Also Daytona USA, Sega Rally, House of the Dead, Virtua Cop, Diehard Arcade, Panzer Dragoon series, Shining Force III SRPG, Shining The Holy Ark RPG, Burning Rangers, Gale Racer, Guardian Heroes beat em up RPG, Deep Fear, Clockwork Knight, Nights into Dreams and Virtual On Cyber troopers.

[@jhkuno88]

@@budgiecat9039 Lmao....thank you for proving the Sarurn is crap... Those games are a joke compared to the best PSX and N64 games...is not even close XD pathetic loser

[@alessioserrao440]

@@budgiecat9039 i agree, Saturn was awesome, playstation was terribile overrating at time. This game was total shit in gameplay and graphic in both version, nothing compared to virtua fighter/fighting viper/dead or alive. Daytona, VF as launch title was better too then that shitty game and ridge racer that playstation had, but ppl were so stupid....transprency, who cares?! The real regione of psx win was piracy and l'operato price, thx to that sony sold a lot of console then SH started support the market leader hardware. This was the way 😌

[@IncognitaEX]

It's interesting how the perspective looks better on Saturn.

[@overkill7990]

4:29 This level showcases a major flaw of the PS1 that people don't talk about in these comparisons. Notice the pattern of the wooden panels in the floor. On the Saturn the panels maintain a straight alignment from all angles but on the Playstation they have to become triangular as the camera moves. The PS1 couldn't do straight lines!

[@Shinobi33]

Omg really bro. Jesus Christ you're really reaching

[@vasopel]

@@Shinobi33 actually he is correct, look it up in the internet .

[@Shinobi33]

@@vasopel Battle Arena was still better on the PS1. And if the PSX couldn't do straight lines the Saturn couldn't do transparencies. So.......

[@vasopel]

@@Shinobi33 I have only played toshinden on PS1 so I don't know if it was better or not (a video comparison doesn't help with judging the gameplay..) . playing on a CRT back in the day the mesh transparencies weren't that bad, So.......what ? :-)

[@raydenedge4569]

There is something they are not taking into account. If you compare 95 games on both machines, the graphic difference is minimal, compare a Ridge Race Revolution and a Sega Rally or a Time Crisis or Virtua Cop 2 and the difference is still minimal. But when comparing Saturn games that do not go beyond the 97 with the games of late 98/99 Playstation there are making an unfair comparison. Think a little about this. KoF 95/96/97, Street Fighter Alpha 1 and 2, Xmen and Marvel vs Street Fighter. They all look better in Saturn with quite a difference in every way. But when we talk about a Street Fighter Alpha 3 that we have? A perfect port of arcade in Saturn as usual but in Playstation we have a very dignified and complete ego player comparing to all the previous, even after there was Capcom vs SNK in Psx also very good. What do I mean with all this? that Playstation advanced a lot from 98 onwards in terms of squeezing the machine, Saturn no. Even if we think of the first games of Saturn, Virtua Fighter, Daytona Usa and Panzer Dragoon, the continuations of VF and PD Swei as Sega Rally are tremendous evolutions for a year of life of the machine. So what would have happened if I was still in the race until the year 2000? Maybe we would have seen the evolution that could be seen on Playstation

[@Dec4AllTimeAlways]

@Budgie Cat The previous commenter reminded me of the 6th gen. From 2000-2002, you can say Dreamcast had better graphics than PS2 . But by 2005, we really saw PS2 take off. I was amazed seeing Tekken 5, Gran Turismo 4, and God of War at 60 fps for the first time. It seems like Sony holds back their PlayStation's raw power by about 3 to 5 years. Then impress us right before they release a successor. The console only goes 80% the first first few years. Then unleashed by the later years to show much graphics evolved. I believe Namco and Square knew PlayStation's innards the best. Sony actually bought some shares of Namco. That's why Ridge Racer and Tekken always came to PlayStation. While Sony knew their allegiance with Square would be profitable. FF7 really turned the tide for PS1 against N64.

[@costumeninja1914]

@budgiecat2885 It was not just due to the Ram cartridge as many if the games he listed didn't utilize it.

[@locked01]

The first game I ever saw live on PS1. I remember the guy that showed it to me only had the non-dual stick controller. I was BLOWN AWAY by it.

[@mr.retrohale6673]

PlayStation wins but I do like the character select screen better on the saturn

[@ghost085]

kissmyconverse totally. Some character portraits in Playstation look like they were taken from deviantart.

[@aspinia]

It is noticeable the lack of transparency on the saturn version, I read transparency is possible but hard to code, so in many games the transparency effect is simulated by these mesh effect.

[@Gxyz222]

PS1 version plays much better. Saturn's story mode was very ambitious at the time, but has since aged poorly, mainly due to the sometimes horrendous English dub.

[@SEGAHEADDY]

Gxyz222 Horrific English dub is part of the charm though!

[@marakarthegreat]

Gxyz222 Trust me, Ape escape, Brave fencer musashi and Magic Knight Rayearth have worse english voice acting

[@MrAdrenaline1982]

Toshinden was the main reason most people I knew wanted a Playstation when they first came out (the Saturn port was several months later). Weird, that the series fell off so quickly.

[@Gxyz222]

It had a lot of competition to be fair:Street Fighter Alpha, Bloody Roar, Darkstalkers, etc. But yeah, this series brings back a lot of great memories, I've played all three!

[@bizarroeddie1]

it vanished bucase it was not a good game. it had the right visuals for the time and that's it.

[@tr1bes]

You forget Virtual Fighter 1 but the up coming Virtual Figher 2. Tekken and DOA later on the horizon. And then the SF EX series (which I think it's terrible). Toshinden was a saling point for marketing to buy PS because Sega got the Virtual Fighter. Toshinden is my 1st ps1 game. Later on Ridge Racer and Beyond the Beyond.

[@Spiggle.]

bizarroeddie1 that's subjective, the game was good and I'd bet most got it because of the demo disc. I also got ESPN Xtreme Games because of the demo disc, another underrated fun game.

[@jediknightgeo]

I wouldn't say it fell off quickly. It had 4 installments. 5 when you count the Wii remake.

[@MustacheManx]

the first ps1 game i ever played i still own to this day.. had a chance to play both everyone should check out the remix ost of each fighter simply a classic in video game music. i love this game to death !!

[@cable20991]

Man I miss this series. Toshinden 3 was the best!!!

[@MrCaptainobvious77]

The intro to the Saturn Remix version kinda reminds me of the intro of Tekken1.

[@hababacon]

PS1 takes this round due to mesh transparencies, and slow down of the Saturn version. I think the Saturn handles certain back ground elements better than the PS1, but it's not enough to win. If only the developers had SGL 2.1.

[@jetfrog4574]

Remeber the mesh transparencies weren't acually noticeable on the televisions of the time.

[@hababacon]

@@jetfrog4574 That's what they claim but I noticed it on all of my sets back in the day. Reviewers noticed it back in the day as they all complained about it. I've always been confused when people claim you hardly notice it because of the dot crawl of composite and 480i displays. We had our Saturn connected 3 different TVs. S Video on the floor model Zenith TV. Composite on the 20 inch Magnavox, and composite on the 2nd Magnavox TV. Noticed on all. Was it as noticeable compared to modern TVs? Probably not, but I don't have a CRT anymore to compare to my 4K OLED, nor would I buy one just to compare. With that said I can recall Svideo looking outstanding on the floor model TV we had.

[@tflics]

Both look good, but the PS1 has nicer textures, I think.

[@RiasatSalminSami]

The ground does look clean o nSaturn due to no txture warping. But overall effects, transparencies and lighting is better on Ps1. Pick your poison.

[@BernsteinOmega]

Not my beloved Sega Saturn's finest moment

[@iorch82]

This is a very interesting comparison. SS backdrops use the Virtua Fighter 2 trick, eg using a VDP2 plane. On the other hand, PS1 has enough power to push - limited - fully polygonal backdrops. This is IMO the definite proof that PS1 had more raw poly power, but, on good hands SS can produce really good looking games out of PS1 reach in certain circumstances, eg being able to somewhat leverage VDP2. For instance, no way SS can do Soul Blade or GT2, just like PS1 cannot do Panzer Dragoon.

[@locked01]

BTW Saturn has clearly frame rate issues and the graphic looks jagged. Dunno if it is the antialias or what but it is evidently inferior.

[@TiBiAstro]

I get the lack of transparent textured polys (I've seen many explanations) but the slowed-down and shitty voices on the Saturn version were absolutely inexcusable.

[@Shinobi33]

The Saturn version did a couple things better. But the PSX version is better overall.

[@天渡春樹里]

懐かしいねぇ。当時、両方を買った。とにかくPS1発売の翌月に出たコレは、アーケードのVF2を動かしていたmodel2に無い機能（カラーテクスチャ、グーローシェーディング、光源処理、半透明処理）を色々と使っていたのがよく判るサンプルだった。

[@rewrez3187]

Olá. Você é japonês?

[@Butterstix2014]

The Saturn version has better portrait art but it sucks that they made a lot of the 3d backgrounds 2d. I bet it could have handled 3d backgrounds had they put in the effort.

[@andy7666]

Nice transparencies, Saturn.

[@bondosho]

andy7666 most likely they are only using one of Saturn's VDPs. If they were to use both, it would have all the transparencies.

[@retroboy-fh1ji]

These are meshes, not true transparencies at all. This game only used 1 CPU. And the results, are painful.

[@CubamusPrime]

The background on Saturn looks 2D..

[@bondosho]

Good catch! I do believe you are right!

[@CubamusPrime]

bondosho I can tell how the PS1 BG has jaggies and Saturn looks like HD that don't move

[@TravonJamelGreen]

I like the PS1 version is much way better than saturn!

[@feps9555]

Excelente comparação joguei muito ambos os games a versão de ps1 é superior de fato principalmente por conta de alguns efeitos e dos cenários poligonais mas a versão do Saturn foi um excelente Port que claro poderia ter ficado muito melhor mas ainda é um jogão.

[@segablastprocessing400]

No veo en que está mejor la de PS1 Si me lo puedes detallar pro favor

[@fabioruschioni]

Quando aparece os elementos em 2D o Saturn é superior, há contraste melhor que o PS mas infelizmente a falta de transparência no Saturn rebaixa muito a versão deles mas não deixando de ser um excelente jogo, a escolha do VCDECIDE pela personagem Ellis foi certeira para mostrar bem essa deficiência, a Sega faz aquele sistema entrelaçado para enganar mas fica frisado e nada agradável visualmente, nesse game é vitória do PS, quando falamos de jogos 2D como X-Men vs Street Fighter entre outros aí sim o Saturn detona! A Sega pensou mais no 2D achando que os gamers não estive prontos totalmente para o universo 3D e a Sony foi mais ousada nessa questão, tanto que apanhou mais no 2D!! Parabéns ao canal!!

[@Butterstix2014]

It should be noted, though, that the sega saturn was actually pretty capable with 3d, but it was just immensely hard to code for

[@thebigs14]

Can you guys do this with ura instead of remix pls?!

[@guardianali]

The ability of the saturn being ABLE to do proper transparencies is well known by now and any example of a game showing it not done is due to laziness or lack of knowledge on the developers end and not a limitation of the hardware. So instead of picking characters to show off the difference of the game between the two in a productive way, you intentionally pick a character with transparent clothes the ENTIRE video so the conversation can be about that 'beat a dead horse' issue yet again.

[@Silanda]

@@NB-1 Sprite transparency (i.e. between overlapping VDP1 quads/sprites) is also possible on the Saturn but it has issues too. It's slow, and due to how VDP1 draws quads there's an issue where if a sprite/quad is warped (as most will be as part of a 3D scene), certain pixels will get drawn twice and artefacts will appear in the transparencies. AFAIK there's also the issue that due to how different colour formats are handled by VDP 1+2, you can either have sprites/quads being transparent against each other or against the VDP2 background, but not both. The way I understand it, the overlapping issue you're describing is because that type of transparency is achieved by using VDP2 to take VDP1's framebuffer and blend specified pixels/sprites/quads against its own planes. Essentially it's taking a picture and making certain parts of that picture translucent against another picture. The problem is that there was no transparency in original VDP1 output, only overlapping solid objects/quads, so as far as VDP2 is concerned only the object/quad on top exists. It's a like taking a photo of a number of solid overlapping objects, printing it on to acetate, and then placing that over a background photo; the acetate is translucent against the background, but the objects printed on the acetate aren't transparent against each other because they were all solid in the original photo. You might know all this stuff already, but it's something that seems to be pretty poorly described in videos/articles I've seen online. Even a highly praised and often linked video about the Saturn's graphics tech doesn't describe the issue very well IMO (and leaves the impression that this type of transparency is being performed by VDP1 when AFAIK it's not). There are examples like Burning Rangers where sprites/quads appear to be transparent over other sprites/quads without any of the artefacts that blending sprites on VDP1 usually brings, but this is really more VDP2 transparency combined with multi-pass type rendering trickery.

[@xrtJoao]

Não sabia que esse jogo tinha saido no saturno. Eu não vejo muita diferença nos gráficos, só achei o som da versão do saturno um pouco abafado.

[@Ashura893]

A única diferença gritante nos gráficos é a ausência de efeitos de transparência na versão de Saturn, basta olhar atentamente a roupa da Ellis e as magias do Fo.

[@capitaohowdy3356]

Andrei Correa Melo verdade

[@capitaohowdy3356]

Andrei Correa Melo o saturn não era muito bom mesmo em gráficos poligonais,eu quero ver fazer o comparativo de xman vs street fighter doo saturn com o cartucho de 4 mega de ram vs a versão do Playstation.

[@gabrielmassa]

Andrei Correa Melo estranho q os cenarios no saturn tem uma transparencia mto boa, ate melhor a do ps1 principalmente no estagio 2 (olha a cachoeira), a do 3 é igual, mas a do cenario 1 simplesmente nao tem. Mto esrranho isso

[@capitaohowdy3356]

Yuan Shikai beleza irmão valeu,o sega saturn ele é muito superior ao ps1,ele tem 2 processadores de 32 bits enquanto o ps1 só 1,abraços.

[@renatogois5966]

Para quem diz que o Saturn não faz transparência olha no cenário do EIJIN a cachoeira al fundo está muito mais transparente do que no PlayStation que parece está mais sólida e nem da pra ver direito através dela ou seja quando o Saturn faz transparência certo os cara nem fala acho que a maioria dos jogos no SEGA Saturn so não tinha transparência por desleixo dos programadores infelizmente.

[@USERA15]

Es cierto, gran detalle el de la cascada.

[@Rafael_Francisco]

De fato, gostaria de saber quem teve a ideia de preferir investir na transparância da cachoeira de fundo ao invés do visual do personagem. Mas eu suponho que era mais fácil fazer transparência no PSX e o movimento aleatório da lutadora faria as transparências no saturno mais difíceis de funcionar. Se não for isso é uma burrice impressionante.

[@000adrianelpiola000]

Psx wins bc in this version you play better.

[@husamshaker9251]

PS1 wins

[@Juliano77777]

Saturn sem transparência, parece que o pessoal tinha preguiça de trabalhar um pouco mais e fazer isso no console, pois era mais fácil programar usando só um processador

[@gabrielmassa]

Juliano L.A o problema do saturn é q usava quadrado nos poligons e pra ficar bom tinha q usar os dois processadores, no caso a transparencia so da certo usando o segundo, acho q o usaram pra fazer as transparencias do cenario

[@leonardoribeiro802]

É verdade Juliano

[@loutre_retro]

I had the Playstation version but I prefer the Saturn version.

[@TosckyAGD]

Quien me dice que tengo que hacer para pelear contra Sho, peleo en "Very Hard" y cuando le gano a Gaia no pasa nada :/

[@JovanKineas]

Llega a Gaia sin perder ningún round y derrota a Gaia también sin perder ningún round.

[@Shinobi33]

Too hear all the Saturn crybabies here. Look it's just a better port on the PS1. Deal with it. You rarely see a PS1 owner making excuses for their 2D ports not being as good as the Saturns

[@vasopel]

castlevania was a 2D game that was (arguably) better in PS1, anyway leave the saturn "crybabies" alone ;-)

[@Goku16053]

Que jogaço!!! Achei melhor a conversão do PS1!! A do Saturno pecou um pouco no acabamento dos personagens!! E parece que a do PlayStation roda mais rápido!! Mas as 2 versões são ótimas!! Até vou baixar ela pra jogar no meu PS1!! Uma pena que poucas empresas sabiam usar bem o Hardware do Saturno!! Pq esse game com certeza poderia ser superior a versão do PS1!! O Hardware do Saturno era muito a frente do seu tempo!!

[@engroga]

Pouco provável que esse game pudesse ser melhor no Satur. O Saturn foi feito para ser uma super máquina 2D. O PS1 foi projetado para ser uma máquina 3D. Saturn não tem nenhum game 3D do nível de Gran Turismo ou Tekken 3.

[@Goku16053]

@@engroga opa fala meu amigo! Concordo e discordo ao mesmo tempo!! Pega Tomb Raider olha como a versão do Saturno é muito boa!! Ele tem mais potencial para 2D com certeza!! Mas ele tem jogos 3D muito bons!! Como Virtua Fighter que tem mais detalhes e movimentação labial e de cenário!! Eu tenho o Ps1 e concordo que ele tem jogos melhores em 3D mas o Saturno tbm tem jogos ótimos em 3D!! Mas cada um tem a sua opinião e isso é normal!! Ah e Feliz Natal meu brother!! Tmj aí!!

[@engroga]

@@Goku16053 , não é questão de opinião. O problema do Saturn é que ele é um hardware muito mal projetado. Eu diria que é o pior projeto da Sega. Diz a lenda que a Sega queria fazer uma máquina 2D mas, quando descobriu que a Sony faria uma máquina voltada para 3D, a Sega, na última hora, entulhou mais uma CPU com frequência diferente da CPU principal (33MHz e 27MHz, respectivamente) e isso dificultou enormemente a vida dos programadores (sou eng e sei como isso é ruim). Note que todas as CPUs multicores do mercado (Intel e AMD, por exemplo) têm cores todos iguais, para evitar isso. Exemplos de melhores gráficos 3D do Saturn são VF2, VF Megamix e DoA1 mas, mesmo esses, estão muito abaixo da qualidade 3D do PS1. Sem chance do Saturn ter um 3D como a Namco fez no PS1. Sega só aprendeu que o mercado queria 3D com o Dreamcast mas aí já era tarde demais. Feliz Natal para vc também!

[@cristianramallo8042]

no veo una gran diferencia excepto la transparencia del vestido de la mujer, creo tendrían que haber prescindido de eso y usar un color no transparente

[@WilfredBrimleyGaming]

Ps1 is better. Saturn 3d was always pretty limited and the games were very shallow/lacking in content

[@Crystallums]

This time PS1 wins! I clearly remember this game more for the sony gray girl :)

[@praystation]

Eight? Eight?

[@spooky_electric]

This is just an aside, but you should've switched them around since the PS1 version released first. It belonged on the left, with the Saturn Remix version being on the right.

[@m.jordan5181]

PS1 wins this one, hands down. The Saturn port was poor in general (the voices were even changed inexplicably and unnecessarily)... and the system needed first party effort to get comparable polygon performance. However, in the hand-drawn Sprite arena, the story reverses.

[@DesertRainReads]

Right, in terms of character detail it wasn't even a contest, the PSOne ran circles around the Saturn version. The Saturn version handled the background environments better, had the awesome hand-drawn sprites, and a nice story mode too. Not to mention better and more responsive controls. But in terms of graphical elements, PSOne handily won.

[@leticiasuppligen1146]

Ps1 version look better

[@drabigorspins]

I think the Playstation has much better looking characters. I think the Saturn actually has bettwr backgrounds, which most people disagree with.

[@Kevin_40]

saturn version worse and came out much later than ps1 version. can you say, ouch?

[@pliniomsann]

Soul Edge era tão melhor que esse game que não dava vontade nem de jogar ...

[@MVC2fan1]

Well, it was titled Soul Blade in the west.

[@AtariBorn]

I'm a Saturn fan but I'll be the first to say both Toshinden ports on the Saturn are horrible. Toshinden looks and plays so much better on Playstation. As for the Toshinden franchise, besides Toshinden 3 (which I've never played), the character models don't seem to interact as well with each other as most 3D fighters do from this era. Maybe it's just me but it feels like they were never modeled to grab onto each other or grapple each other, without looking stiff and awkward. Tekken and Virtua Fighter had almost perfected this at the time.

[@nelsoncorreia8253]

Tirando a transparencia que óbvia a falta no querido sega , o resto esta muito respeitavel . Ponto pro playstation mas não da pra desmerecer o Sega Saturn , é um ótimo jogo .

[@construindoestufas9446]

Sem contar qe do estamos falando de gráficos...nem contamos q o controle do Saturno e magnífico

[@daveshen0880]

PS wins. Saturn version have slower gameplay.

[@tanzimi5518]

Ironic

[@parazels83]

Saturn has better textures in the game. Have no idea which version has more stable frame rate though.

[@GSS1Sirius]

I preferred the Saturn version because of the more comfortable controller.

[@mikulustudios]

Too much ''call of duty'' games, shooting here and there, conflict around the world are represented in the games now...but Kids today don't know about those fighting games, we played Toshinden, War gods, Dead or alive, Fighter destiny, Last broxn, Fighters megamix, Flying dragon, soul edge, Cardinal syn, Mace: The dark age, Virual fighters, tekken, Soul calibur, primal rage, killer instinct, street fighter 2 turbo, street fighter alpha, Mortal kombat trilogy, ultimate mortal kombat 3, Mortal kombat gold, art of fighting, king of fighters...the list is long, you can name it.

[@orlandoyurie2866]

La versión de SATURN le da mil vueltas , es la verdad y no hay que ser fanático .Hay juegos que se ven mejor en playstation y otros en SATURN : Este se ve mejor en SATURN mas texturas ,resolución calidad de audio y polígonos .

[@hunterduker2372]

Bom lembrar que esse jogo foi escrito do 0 para o PS1 , natural que o resultado seja superior.

[@RobertPLWitek]

Damn! transparency on Saturn looks like crap...

[@Final_Fantasy_7]

The PS1 does 3D better than Saturn...PERIOD !!.it has been proven time and time again in a lot of games.The Saturn's transparency effects always have that "rough & scratchy" look to it...fighing games like Tekken 3 & Tobal No.2 are proof of the PS1's 3D processing capabilites.

[@JavierGonzalez-cz4pe]

Me gusta más como se ve la versión de Saturn. Se ve más colorido. también me gusta muchísimo más como se ve la pantalla de selección de personajes.

[@TosckyAGD]

Una consulta amigo, juegas battle arena toshinden o jugaste?

[@louiskeiflin5858]

Looks like Playstation win for once against the mighty Sega Saturn!

[@julhao244]

The Jolly DJ Verdade, apesar do Sega Saturn ter um processador parrudo, o PlayStation leva vantagem por ter melhor desempenho em processar efeitos e gráficos em 3D, o maior problema do Sega Saturn foi o x-salada que fizeram com os seus processadores, enquanto o PlayStation era mais simples de programar, o Sega Saturn dependia de vários processadores para tentar chegar ao nível de PlayStation e isso matou o console da Sega.

[@m.jordan5181]

I've had both of these machines since launch. The Playstation also wins with Tomb Raider too. And Castlevania: Symphony of the Night (vs import Nocturne in the Moonlight). Those three off the top of my head fall in favor of Sony... but sooo many more games I had were significantly better on the SEGA Saturn. And on another note, the Saturn controller is infinitely superior for pretty much every non-analog based title.

[@Shadowlord1980]

This game is lovely! I have played pc version of the game. Ps1 version wins this comparison.

[@ribenasquash]

PSX 32col, SAT 40col.

[@DesertRainReads]

In game, the PSOne absolutely destroyed it graphically. But the game did control much better on the Saturn. The presentation was better on the Saturn too. But again, it boils down to in game graphics and it's no contest, the Saturn looked like total ass compared to the PSOne. Shame, they could've done better I am sure.

[@Red_Panduh]

Sega themselves ported the game, so I’m really surprised how it didn’t do better. Saturn backgrounds were 2d.

[@DesertRainReads]

​​​@@Red_Panduhit was actually done by Tamsoft & Nextech, they dropped the ball on it graphically. Gameplay wise though, it's more enjoyable than the PSOne version. It was way easier to control for one, the story mode fleshed things out significantly, plus there is Cupido, her theme and stage looked amazing for the time. I actually preferred the 2D backgrounds of Remix over the original. They were less jarring and with Gaia's stage? Yeah, it looked way better with the transparent effect it had going on and the fact that it rotated slower when compared to the original. The character models and transparancies though? Boy did the PSOne smoke the Saturn here. I don't know why, because the Saturn is capable of so much more as evidenced by Virtua Fighter 2, Last Bronx, etc. The team of Tamsoft & Nextech dropped the ball big time in that regard.

[@DTM-Books]

It's clear that the PSX Toshinden is smoother and more polished than the Saturn version, and I never understood why Sega agreed to publish this version, especially when it came after Virtua Fighter 2 was released. This only served to cement the popular notion that "Saturn Can't Do Three Dee," and that reputation pretty much killed the console in the US. This was an unforced error and entirely useless. That said, I have to be completely honest: Toshinden isn't a very good videogame. Its appeal was entirely based on eye candy that impressed in 1995, but looks far less appealing in 2019. The gouraud shading is impressive but really overdone, like a chicken dinner that was drowned in gravy. The whole visual style just looks tacky, particularly with the awkward character animation and sluggish frame rate. There were some cool touches like the TV screen in the background of one stage, and the transparent polygon dress looks nice. For Playstation, I would rate Tekken and Zero Divide over this game easily, and Virtua Fighter Remix would beat them all (VF2 is just on another plane entirely). As for the software developers, they did try again on the Saturn with Toshinden URA, but that doesn't really look or play any better. D-Xhird was their best effort and features some pretty impressive visuals, but the gameplay is still too slow and sluggish to really compete against the big players, and that overdone polygon shading and lighting just didn't age well. It's like 1980s fashion. You may have thought hair spray and shoulder pads were cool at the time, but, ehh, no. Just, no. Anyway, give the win to Playstation, but go play Tekken instead.

[@ciredecgellar8232]

The first Tekken isn't far better .....

[@RCRDude89]

What is wrong with 80's fashion? I've never understood the hate for it... I wasn't even around then and I think 80's fashion is the coolest.

[@tHeWasTeDYouTh]

INEVERGIVEUP

[@cinnamonbeardstud]

ANYTIME ANYVERE

[@wordsshackles441]

4:50 - The waterfall on Saturn has actual transparency 😮

[@ciclistafantasmas]

Transparências na vdp2 do Saturn eram mais tranquilas

[@JoseRivera-gg1ud]

Machine aspects, Saturn can deliver real lights and shadows, PS don't. If everyone looks at Sofia's fight compare this character vs PS one. Saturn glows beautiful. Doubling, Saturn is made for Japanese crowd and PS in USA. So I bet the lack of voices and bad doubling for Japanese people in the PS. Throw Panzer dragon, shinning force 3 and shinning the holy ark graphics against whatever PS game. In Saturn elis is real mesh effect when is PS is a plastic like drawing with transparent effect. That is why PS characters show more glitches. The problem was not in Saturn, but in the low TV resolution for real effects.

[@twanbiz7252]

Saturn was king in the right hands

[@eduardogeracomo1908]

saturn nitidamente superior cores resolução bem melhores

[@YURIMAKERSTUDIOS]

Vejo muito comentário nada a ver, Ps1 faz 3d melhor, kkkkk, essa molecada não viu o D-Xhird, aquilo sim é um game que um tapa na cara de muitos que falam do Saturn, quero ver o PS1 fazer igual. Mas enfim, nesse port da pra notar que ambos os gráficos esta a mesma coisa, mas o PS1 leva a melhor por ter um efeito de iluminação dinâmico, alguns paralaxes no fundo e transparecia . Esses tais efeito que não tem na versão do Saturn, Saturn faz, mas os Devs não soube fazer no por do Saturn na época que foi feito.

[@marakarthegreat]

Looks: PS1 Controller use: Sega Saturn

[@AshtarSheran1]

dithering on sega saturn,fake trasparency.

[@ricardoalvesdasilva9518]

Saturn tem uma versão aceitável porém é evidente a superioridade em lidar com polígonos do PlayStation, acredito que no dead or alive o Saturn seja superior mas nos outros jogos polígonais o PlayStation foi melhor

[@engroga]

Dead or Alive do PS1 tem gráficos nitidamente superiores, além de vários extras e mais personagens. DoA do Saturn é baseado na versão arcade e a versão do PS1 é a versão arcade melhorada, com alguns personagens que só apareceram em DoA2 do arcade (Ayane e Bass).

[@leoneisilvadacosta4513]

Na minha opinião ñ há diferenças. Jogo idêntico um ao outro

[@NeoGeoNinja81]

Toshinden on Saturn or PS1?: "Sir... today, we have 2 steaming piles of shit for you to choose from. Tell me sir: which do you prefer? The SEGA coloured shit or, perhaps, the SONY coloured shit?. Yes sir... both are VERY Brown and smell MOST unpleasant..."

[@m.jordan5181]

Well, there's that 🤷‍♂️

[@capitaohowdy3356]

A versão do Playstation é 1 pouco superior devido por sua capacidade de processar polígonos melhor que o saturn,agora faz 1 comparativo do jogo xman vs street fighter com o cartucho de 4 mega de ram do saturn vs a versão de Playstation.

[@jorgepaulo3614]

O Saturno foi muito prejudicado na questão de jogos 3D devido a dificuldade de produção, pois os chips eram muitos complexos e davam muito trabalho para as produtoras. Por isso o Play1 levou muita vantagem devido a facilidade de produção 3D. Já o Saturno para jogos 2D e ainda com a ajuda do Cartucho não tinha pra ninguém. O Erro da Sega que matou o Saturno foi a falta de não incluir o poder do Cartucho de Expanção diretamente nos processadores internos e tbm a Grande falha na produção do 3D.

[@capitaohowdy3356]

Jorge Paulo verdade,por que o sega saturn em processador e memória,ele é muito superior que ps1 fato,o saturn tem 2 processadores de 32 bits enquanto o ps1 tem 1 só,abraços irmão.

[@leonardoribeiro802]

É verdade

[@rsouth454]

To see this back in the day on an import ps1 before i even knew about playstation ... it was amazing ! The lighting and shading and general look on ps1 was unique , i already had a saturn ... bought toshinden and really it felt sad . Slowwww and unplayable , rough looking garbage against psx version

[@segat-800]

Playstation ports to the Sega Saturn sucked lol. This game is a good example of that. Saturn version has rubbish frame rate (sub 30) and the mesh transparencies look awful. Some of the backgrounds are 2D on Saturn but 3D on the Playstation. TV screen missing on one Saturn background. Its a crap game anyway and there are much better looking and playing fighting games on both systems.

[@MrZillas]

I love the charme of the Saturn-version. Playstation looks too much plastic to me.

[@marcioamaoka]

Sega saturn wins

[@jonathaspaulasilva5656]

Joguei as duas versões, e posso garantir que a do psx e bem melhor.

[@ClaudioVarone3299]

My ears.

[@knightshifter2201]

Playstation looks better because it could do 3-D games better It’s just a simple as that.

[@retroboy-fh1ji]

Leetha K7 but is less powerful than Saturn (or at least it was spec-wise).

[@knightshifter2201]

Lol no it’s not when it comes to Polygons/3-D environments and seeing if for some reason made it very hard to develop games for her unless it was for 2D graphics That’s why games like Street fighter or X-Men versus streetfighter was Superior on the Saturn.

[@knightshifter2201]

Sega*

[@knightshifter2201]

Just go to KZbin and check out the videos for yourself then come back to me about that whole it’s more powerful topic.

[@DUKETACTICS333]

Leetha K7 I don't know about you but I'm looking at it and 1080p. And the Saturn version actually looks better?

[@sandrosfc]

dá, dá dá,dá,dá,dá

[@terrafoxx2261]

Saturn is better)

[@DTM-Books]

Massively, massively overrated videogame. But it turned some heads and helped sell the Playstation in 1995. The Saturn port is terrible, sloppy, ugly, a real mess. It certainly helped put a couple nails into the system’s coffin, helping to cement the toxic “Can’t Doo Three Dee” reputation that haunts Saturn to this day. It should never have been released in the West, especially not after VF2 dropped. An easy PSX win, but Toshinden still sucks, so everybody loses.

[@SomeOrangeCat]

The game definitely did it's intended job, so it didn't have to be "good", it just had to be effective.

[@megaruhe6296]

MegaDrive wins!!

[@xtremegold2950]

in conclusion we all know the ps1 is better on 3d polygon textures and smoother gameplay no slow frames etc saturn sadly no ..most of the games on the saturn on 3d lacks some are awful mess..on 2d department the saturn is a little overrated also .did had advantages on some 2d games with the extra ram cart ..other than that .the ps1 was capable of doing 2d games well

[@vasopel]

well I'm not trying to start a comment war or anything...but to be honest both consoles were at the mercy of the developers, anyway whatever console you had at the time you were stuck with playing games at it. if some rich kid had both and really really wanted to be sure he (she?) got the best experience maybe he would buy the 3D games on PS1 and the 2D ones on saturn just to be on the safe side,

[@punkbianoretrogamer4314]

cara tenho pro sega saturno mais do ps 1 e melhor ...sem choro kkkkkkk

[@RAFAKSBR]

A versão saturno é superior pela tela de seleção em estilo mangá.

[@logasama]

este juego siempre me resulto una cagada, jugue primero en saturn, luego en playstation y nunca me divirtio. para mi esta sobrevaluado. this game always turned out to be a shit, I played first in saturn, then in playstation and never had fun. for me it is overvalued.

[@retroboy-fh1ji]

logansama para su tiempo, estaba muy avanzado, ya que estuvo en consolas y en MS-DOS. Lo que más les importaba a los que lo jugaron en 1995 eran sus gráficos, y el hecho de que era un juego de luchas en 3D, y en consola, pero nada más, el juego en cuanto a gameplay​ es una mierda, igual que el 2 y el 3 (también existe un Battle Arena Toshinden 4, pero es muy desconocido).

[@logasama]

yo lo jugue en esa epoca, y si, mientras no entendia porque dead or alive tekken soul blade, o virtua fighter, podian ser tan buenos, y este tan mediocre, porque visualmente no me desagradaba, pero lo odie, aun asi conservo original, la version de psx

[@sentelnbalivebolton7399]

This pisses me off why is the saturn version so slow I recently just purchased this on saturn I love this console but very disappointed

[@ciredecgellar8232]

the jpn version is faster

[@leecroft1983]

ciredec Gellar oh really, hmmm 🤔

[@ciredecgellar8232]

@@leecroft1983 yes, faster than the PAL or US version, not faster than the PS1 version.

[@m.jordan5181]

Toshinden is simply not a speedy game on either platform. It clearly seems like the slowdown was mostly made apparent on both in order to add dramatic effect to the "KOs".

[@cbsilva622]

Saturno bem melhor.

[@leandrowii36015095]

Q jogo ridiculo vc decide :( está perdendo o foco :(

[@dzoli74]

Transparency is a joke on Saturn.

[@cybermx8896]

even the options screen is better on PS1!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PS1 totaly destroys the saturn version!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Saturn=shitty low res graphics

[@danielfeliumedina5445]

Enjoy Sony fanboy, guess what, Last Bronx on the Saturn destroy PS Toshiden graphically

[@cybermx8896]

@@danielfeliumedina5445 😆😆😅😅🤣😂😂. You guess wrong!!!🤣🤣🤣 Sega fanboy 😅🤣🤣

[@mikulustudios]

Too much ''call of duty'' games, shooting here and there, conflict around the world are represented in the games now...but Kids today don't know about those fighting games, we played Toshinden, War gods, Dead or alive, Fighter destiny, Last broxn, Fighters megamix, Flying dragon, soul edge, Cardinal syn, Mace: The dark age, Virual fighters, tekken, Soul calibur, primal rage, killer instinct, street fighter 2 turbo, street fighter alpha, Mortal kombat trilogy, ultimate mortal kombat 3, Mortal kombat gold, art of fighting, king of fighters...the list is long, you can name it.

[@mikulustudios]

Too much ''call of duty'' games, shooting here and there, conflict around the world are represented in the games now...but Kids today don't know about those fighting games, we played Toshinden, War gods, Dead or alive, Fighter destiny, Last broxn, Fighters megamix, Flying dragon, soul edge, Cardinal syn, Mace: The dark age, Virual fighters, tekken, Soul calibur, primal rage, killer instinct, street fighter 2 turbo, street fighter alpha, Mortal kombat trilogy, ultimate mortal kombat 3, Mortal kombat gold, art of fighting, king of fighters...the list is long, you can name it.