VCl4 from Vanadium metal and Chlorine

I spend my holidays with my good friend chlorine. We do some awful vanadium chemistry, but there is pretty colours, so it's easy to forgive.
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[@al175]

Sparks "Nervous Laughter"

[@PotatoesAssistant]

Why did that make him nervous

[@Nae_Ayy]

I would also like to know why he was made nervous by the sparks

[@danielcezar4599]

@@Nae_Ayy 2:40

[@saltedfish9194]

He is nervous to see the whole thing blow up

[@stefangadshijew1682]

@@Nae_Ayy Finely powdered metal can burn. Metal fires are a bit harder to handle then other fires, since they can't be extinguished with water, and he probably didn't have sand on hand. Also, it would ruin is grinder and his project. I was honestly more nervous about metal balls shooting out of the covering.

[@haska9706]

1:36 Forbidden black pepper

[@ExtractionsAndIre]

@Evi1M4chine "what is the best tasting transition metal"

[@haska9706]

@@ExtractionsAndIre Instead you should do what transition metal has the lowest LD50

[@covodex516]

@@haska9706 oh, I already see the video title right in front of me "Which transition metal is the least deadly? Taste test! [Incomplete]"

[@mcFreaki]

@@ExtractionsAndIre i hear that certain lead compounds are sweet, to the point where the romans would create a grape syrup iin lead pots called Sapa, and the reason it was done in lead pots was because as the grape juice went off, it would reacte with the lead and make lead acetate, masking the sourness of spoiled grape syrup

[@KennethFinnegan]

6:26 "Visibility is solid zero" *Removes opaque foil covering flask* "Actually, I can see in there now"

[@danielalbers8568]

Haha I didn't even notice that!

[@ExtractionsAndIre]

I felt like an idiot, but it didn't deserve to be edited out

[@jhyland87]

Lol, i noticed that too.

[@colinmoriarty]

Extractions&Ire that’s what keeps me coming back

[@Felixkeeg]

*Sparks* *Chuckles* I'm in danger

[@turbowolf302]

his waste management plan: "Let future me worry about it."

[@ExtractionsAndIre]

I trust him more than he probably deserves lol

[@Oosh21]

Nuclear industry has been following that approach for 60+ years.

[@jacobgutierrez9642]

Exactly what Nile does

[@spiderdude2099]

Some of them might be easy to plate out using redox reactions. Like, submerge an iron today in the copper waste, get out copper metal. Same with nickel I believe. Then all you have is iron ions in waste and you can covert those to oxides and iron oxide is generally nontoxic and easier to dispose of

[@fireworkstarter]

@@ExtractionsAndIre why not plate the copper or make it into an oxide or carbonate?

[@euler2589]

love your vids. i am now an old chemist. hard time believing some of the stuff i did as a young one. you bring back good memories for me, thanks. strangely enough, i got tired of chemistry in the 2000's and went into a totally different career. but chemistry hooks a person. still like watching vids on it. think yours are the best.

[@ExtractionsAndIre]

If you become an old chemist, that means you were a good chemist, right! Glad you like the videos!

[@awayvfx4692]

love the fact that this guy is mentioned on wikipedia for his azidoazide azide video lmao

[@ExtractionsAndIre]

Actual? Lol

[@ExtractionsAndIre]

Lol I love the "unreliable fringe source" when I'm mentioned, this is fair enough

[@awayvfx4692]

@@ExtractionsAndIre haha bro you didnt know that? i was thinking about writing you on discord but then i thought 100 people would've told you already 😂

[@awayvfx4692]

@@ExtractionsAndIre true lmao

[@ExtractionsAndIre]

Nup didn't know!

[@IlusysSystems]

"When I retire, I can take them to the disposal place" :D yeah I moved 2 times, and I still got waste from when I was 15 :D

[@IlusysSystems]

Though, I disposed a lot of Cu once, so I came to the place with PET bottles filled with blue or green liquid, pull them out from my backpack, asked, "do you want to know what it is?" "Naaah..."

[@ExtractionsAndIre]

Lol yeah, "When I retire" could be a worryingly long time...

[@iNerdier]

Extractions&Ire or an even more worryingly short time if you leave waste in leaking jars...

[@jacobriddle7230]

So is burial in a 10 ft hole in the middle of nowhere considered wrong?

[@jhondoux84]

@@jacobriddle7230 depends on the material

[@Palerider1942]

I would love to see you trying to get some of the metals back from the waste you have.

[@jhyland87]

Agreed!

[@DrakkarCalethiel]

Yes! It shouldn't be too hard to do.

[@someniceguyon]

Plenty of other youtubers who do that. Plus this guy has a thing for complicated explosives.

[@someniceguyon]

Joe Holland you forgot acids. Which is the easiest

[@Palerider1942]

@@pigsnoutman there are always chemical substitutions that could be done. for example, adding a preferential metal to the solution would kick out the metal as a fine powder in a few cases.

[@aidenallweiss15]

Ive been showing your videos to my organic chemistry teacher in highschool He loves them, keep up the great work!

[@aidenallweiss15]

Also: do something with your carbon tetra chloride, the more illegal your chemistry the better lmao

[@ExtractionsAndIre]

Glad he likes them haha, and I'm trying! Hopefully a main channel video....

[@Chemical_Individual]

Hello, my Australian chemist. Much love from the USA!

[@ExtractionsAndIre]

Hello!!

[@jednewman430]

I dunno man, looks kinda yellow to me

[@Antonio-wh8lh]

Yellow chem bad

[@Metallica4Life92]

"I don't think that blender will ever be the same again" blender: *thousand yard stare*

[@andrewfleenor7459]

The part with the waste where you're pouring blue liquid into other blue liquid and getting rusty vapor is surreal. Vanadium is cool.

[@ExtractionsAndIre]

I thought so too! If you did this with TiCl4, the chemistry would be pretty much the same, but you make a white smoke and a colourless solution. Much less satisfying!

[@MakeItWithCalvin]

I see the physics department was there with some YELLOW chemistry. Bloody physics department.

[@ExtractionsAndIre]

It's always the damn physics department!

[@gamingmarcus]

Ah yes. Antinomy, my favourite element.

[@richardwebb5317]

Always enjoyed the Metavanadate reduction practical - V(V) -> V(IV) -> V(III) -> V(II) You get to start with a beautiful *yellow* solution and turn it blue, then green and finally violet, Was chuffed to bits when I finally ended up somewhere with some Ammonium Metavanadate.

[@Stoneman06660]

Italian terracotta (have a hole in the bottom, can be plugged) for bugger all from Bunnings.

[@ExtractionsAndIre]

I must always get distracted by all the chemicals in Bunnings, or I'm an idiot, or both

[@godfreypoon5148]

@@ExtractionsAndIre I just get distracted by the random boxes blocking half the aisles.

[@Stoneman06660]

I just hate the place full stop, but as they've crushed all other hardware store chains, I'm forced to use them, obstructions, clueless staff, cheap shyte products and all. Does the job in the end, and I don't have to like.

[@demoniack81]

@@Stoneman06660 Hang on... is "Italian" terracotta different from other terracotta?

[@CAMSLAYER13]

@@demoniack81 I assume it's got something to do with naturally occuring differences in the raw materials used to make it.

[@jdm5570]

Freaking awesome. RIP stir bar.

[@ephjaymusic]

Thanks for such awesome vids! When you going to "poke the ozone bear" again? Wondering if anyone has dropped white phosphorus into liquid ozone before...😉🤣

[@ericdheit]

Your a great youtuber man and deserve millions more subs and I hope you get there

[@chrrmin1979]

"I like chlorine" Who likes chlorine?!

[@Metallica4Life92]

no one does. If you say you do, you're lying.

[@SophiaAstatine]

Maybe he was just tired of all the fires and wanted a long break.

[@HexCopper]

This Channel is great. Here I was thinking the chemistry community was disappearing due to strikes and no new channels but then KZbin itself revealed you to me. Love your videos I’m a chemistry major now because of people like you. Never stop doing you love this

[@DrakkarCalethiel]

Woke up 5 minutes ago, it's 3:53 AM. :D Any plans of revisiting the 1-MCP project?

[@ExtractionsAndIre]

One of these days........

[@donbroccoli8935]

Cody wanted to do a video to properly test it

[@ExtractionsAndIre]

@@donbroccoli8935 I know, what motivation. I'd love to collaborate with Cody. But I've just got to solve lots of organic chemistry issues first....

[@donbroccoli8935]

@@ExtractionsAndIre No sweat. We still got plenty of time to live.

[@DrakkarCalethiel]

@@donbroccoli8935 Yeah, still pleny time left. Chemistry like this is just a pain in the ass, especially when over-chlorination is a problem!

[@whatevernamegoeshere3644]

Dude your production quality is getting better and better over time. The shots, most of all the outro one were amazing now!

[@BJLStorm]

This channel is great. I'm more of an organic chemist, but I love the inorganic stuff you have on here.

[@mercury6800]

Have they banned terra-cotta pots in Australia now

[@jacobthomas8035]

BRO YOU POSTED THIS 7 mins AGO SO THIS IS MY BEST CHANCE TO GET A MESSAGE TO YOU: YOURE AWESOME BRO KEEP MAKING GREAT VIDS MAN!!! Seriously though bro, you’re a great KZbinr and I hope you stay safe during the fires!!

[@VivienneVoid]

yaaa keep safe

[@ExtractionsAndIre]

I read all the comments! Well, o try to. Thanks for watching the vids, I'm all safe with the fires! Lots of smoke though

[@bromisovalum8417]

I feel they should have given McGyver a roll of teflon tape next to his Swiss pocket knife in the original series. I love the stuff too, one should always have it on stock. Very interesting stuff btw, these vanadium chlorides, I'd love to play around with it.

[@ExtractionsAndIre]

Yes exactly!

[@AussieChemist]

oof i was just taking about the importance of sunscreen and this vid popped up

[@CAoffRoading]

You really need to make a ball mill. This will allow you to more safely and thoroughly crush reagents. Just be sure to use non ferrous media for combustible things.

[@ExtractionsAndIre]

This is true!! It keeps getting brought up, for good reason!

[@j_sum1]

Vanadium. Significantly cooler than chromium. The colours feom the clean-up are just lovely. Many of your waste solutions could be processed via electrolysis. You could even do it in situ with minimal equipment. A couple of electrodes (graphite for the anodes) an old phone charger, 2 or three bottles in series to keep current and current density real low and leave it for a couple of weeks. Bonus powdered metal if it all goes right

[@ExtractionsAndIre]

I could do that, you're right! Segregating the metal ions from each other does make this a possibility

[@richardwebb5317]

Vanadium salts come in a satisfying range of colours including V(V) which is usually bright y*****.

[@Iodine_53]

yes! more vanadium chemistry (:

[@bencheevers6693]

That sunburn hurt me in my core

[@anxioussnake9413]

Nice video, And also thank you for adding some enjoyment to my life, because I just discovered your band! Really enjoyed "It's nice to meet you".

[@ExtractionsAndIre]

You're most welcome, thanks for checking that out! Hopefully some more new music this year

[@TheFoxygrandpa69]

Found myself holding my breath when that stuff was chuching lol. Good stuff man! Almost 400 like and 0 dislikes.

[@mrmatt2525able]

Don’t forget, “Mother Nature is my bin”

[@SMILEY-eo4hj]

who else was holding their breathe watching all the fumes?

[@Chemical_Individual]

6:41 *initiates background music* who can say where the road goes...

[@MrByped]

WOOT CHEMISTRY TIME

[@commradevlad]

OI, terracotta pots are just the tan pot you put plants in they are at like every store with a garden section. love both the channels by the way keep up the awesome work dude

[@Nuovoswiss]

For future chlorination reactions, why not conduct them in a solvent? Elemental chlorine has decent solubility in cold, non-polar solvents, so you could let the reaction just sit and run for a while, then distill it at the end. Should make for a simpler set-up and less chlorine waste. Also bonus points if you convert metal tetrachlorides into (anhydrous) metal tetranitrates. Should be some interesting oxidizers.

[@RetromagneticDesigns]

Heh, glad that you're sacrificing yourself for science, lol. One of my favourite youtubers just got fried! Yeet!

[@JoeyLindsay]

wait what

[@NeonIcyWings]

I don't think I understood half the things going on in this video, but I am entertained.

[@OkieDokieSmokie]

Tom needs a fume hood...a good one.

[@edi9892]

The comment about cancer killed me as a fellow chemist.

[@inaNis_]

5:20 reminds me of those anti-smoking commercials where they show you what it looks like when you some a pack a day for 20 years

[@ExtractionsAndIre]

Imagine doing this experiment everyday for 20 years, now that would be some shit haha

[@inaNis_]

Extractions&Ire no no, we just call that here in America “enslaved cancer”

[@T3sl4]

FYI, best way to hold thermite: put sand in a pot, or can, or a bloody hole in the ground if you don't have anything else. Put a ring or cylinder on top of the sand, and pour sand around it. Pack down. Pour thermite in the middle, pack it down. Carefully withdraw the cylinder, so the thermite is held in place by the sand. Perfect! Preferably dome the sand around the center, so meltybits tend to roll back down into the center. Can even cover the whole thing in sand (stick a magnesium ribbon in so you don't lose track of it), keeps the splatter down -- if a bit less exciting to watch. For more reactive metals like vanadium, it's probably a good idea to use a more refractory and less reactive "sand", like calcined magnesia or something (don't just use precipitated magnesium hydroxide, obviously; the stuff needs to be heated yellow hot or so to be dry and fairly unreactive).

[@mfree80286]

I have a feeling that the best thermite management tips are going to come from the railroad industry, or at least those retired from track repair work. A lot of track is/was welded with a small thermite charge...

[@SlamminGraham]

Like the music. It adds lots of suspense and drama. :) Oh, and yeah, SPF70 every 80 minutes will make the cancer go away.

[@nigeljohnson9820]

That is a lot of work for 11% yield of not very much to start with. With all that natural UV maybe you should be doing some UV chemistry. Who needs a new heater, just use a magnifying glass.

[@ExtractionsAndIre]

Maybe some quartz glassware too!

[@nigeljohnson9820]

@@ExtractionsAndIreyou only need quartz glassware, if you want your UV chemistry to give yields of above 11%. I think we can safely assume that you will not be doing any cryogenic chemistry any time soon.

[@RandomMan1]

@@ExtractionsAndIre get some PV cells and you could do fully solar powered Chlor-Alkalai HCL generation. Green Green science or something

[@feelinghealingfrequences7179]

very entertaining great edit and music

[@ficolas2]

Chlorine is yellow, I don't care what the books say, I have eyes

[@JammyBriton]

A waste recovery series on those transition metals might be quite cool, less waste for future you to worry about. Maybe

[@GoingtoHecq]

You like chlorine? OK. I like living.

[@DesolateGrunt]

The drops of turquoise and yellow liquids on that table net to browned out beakers venting orange gas is quite a sight to behold. Do your neighbors hate you?

[@MarkWaller2]

A quote from Wikipedia: "VCl4 releases Cl2 at its boiling point (standard pressure) to afford VCl3", which appears as "violet crystals". I suspect that's what the "black crystals" were in the reaction flask.

[@Crobisaur]

Sunscreen loves you

[@JohnDobak]

Next lab capital investment: a UV blocking tinted canopy for outdoor chemistry work.

[@kevinmarrs3372]

Is your house at risk of catching on fire ? Hope the bushfires won’t wreck your lab 🧪

[@pixelpatter01]

Was I the only one holding my breath when the orange smoke was coming out of the flask?

[@danielcezar4599]

explosions and fire passing chlorine through shiiieet god I like it edit: jesus man cl2 in the sun light you RE really ♡ ra di cals

[@ExtractionsAndIre]

I could just make a whole channel focused on chlorine, that would be rad

[@Kenionatus]

@@ExtractionsAndIre Call it radicalised chemistry ;)

[@kriegguardsman9117]

Whoa! I’m used to the [blank] months ago videos.

[@literallyabee]

*Weighs before grinding and not after*..

[@liamanderson6424]

Nice work, hope you're enjoying summer

[@DerCrawlerVomUrAnus]

9:55 dude, you made the sky!

[@mmmhorsesteaks]

How about some fun vanadium transition metal fuckery (coordination spheres, polyoxovanadate stuff... ) ? I hear it can make some very nice colors...

[@FullModernAlchemist]

I built a pump device using a peristaltic pump very similar to this. 10/10. My version included a mason jar acting as a trap. Shoved the whole mess in a cigar box and called it good.

[@Spirit532]

Antimony.

[@ExtractionsAndIre]

Did I still get it wrong????

[@Spirit532]

@@ExtractionsAndIre The only time you said it!

[@kocy33]

Suggestion: research into waste disposal. Tackle each of these solutions in a separate video. I would watch how to further decompose them.

[@drysori]

10:08 Maybe you can pass it on to your heirs.

[@themonkeyspaw7359]

Red liquid? Better not turn yellow

[@andersmoore]

Mate, go to bed. What in the hell is the sun doing up at this time of night?!

[@AtlasReburdened]

Dude, just get a hat with a wide brim all the way around. There's no need to let a little thing like prolonged exposure to a stellar nuclear fusion reactor get your skin all crispy. Embrace the granny gardening hat, because there are skin cancers that you just don't beat.

[@ExtractionsAndIre]

This is the exact thing I should do yes

[@valeriycherepakhin7322]

This is amazing! Thank you!

[@ShamelessDuck]

The music in timelapses reminds me of aphex twin and Vampire The Masquerade

[@nfrandom007]

Please make Dioxygen Diflurordie it's orange you'll love it :D

[@alexredacted2123]

I love teflon tape too brother. I wove it into rope and hung glass with it once lol

[@technodruid]

Hates yellow chemistry, loves chlorine. Wut

[@edcofu]

No moisture in the air? above grass? Ok.

[@ExtractionsAndIre]

I mean, 'no moisture' means very different things to different people... like people who usually work in a glovebox would very much laugh at my 'no moisture' comment

[@royshirkey9048]

you find those pot in any garden center

[@Fabian-mu3hq]

500 to 0 like ratio within the first 5 hours, you earned it. Greetings from Austria

[@ExtractionsAndIre]

Hello! It's pretty late over there right?? Late night content viewing, I can relate

[@Fabian-mu3hq]

@@ExtractionsAndIre more like early morning content viewing, it's 10:30 right now, tomorrow I'll also work with vanadium, my company produces tons of it per day and I'm currently making a double apprenticeship for chemical engeneering and chemistry lab technician

[@ExtractionsAndIre]

That's cool! Hope you have a nicer time with the vanadium than I did

[@kajirmellor873]

An option for handling metal solution waste I've seen used in the Semiconductor industry is to "plate" the metal ions onto copper sponges using DC current. Get a bath of solution set up, put a "sponge" material in (Would steel wool work as well?), attach your DC leads, and suck the metal out! just watch out for waste electrolyzed H2/O2

[@godfreypoon5148]

Buddy, you really need to take better precautions against the ionizing radiation.

[@TheGayestPersononYouTube]

Good job, man! Despite your best efforts it actually worked! Lol ❤️

[@ExtractionsAndIre]

Thanks mate 🤮🤮

[@ArcaneCossack]

the correct thing to do with alll your wastes you never plan to redo is to pass them down to a disciple someday, when you are a greybeard

[@sallydboy]

“I fucking live and die for the gayest person on KZbin” what a sentence 😂

[@JustinKoenigSilica]

Is this a similar video to chemical force's on ticl4? Because that's the only other EDIT: transition metal chloride that's liquid at RT

[@ExtractionsAndIre]

Yes very similar! Just more toxic and more colourful

[@nachrubi]

SnCl4 is also liquid

[@JustinKoenigSilica]

@@nachrubi sorry, meant transition metal.

[@emmepombar3328]

RIP neck.

[@bloodrot123]

it would be cool to see you pull the metals back out of your waste containment one day, instead of it going else where.

[@killazaawl]

previous video should have been put to explosion&fire, nobody would dare to complain then

[@sweetchilli6993]

hint: simply convert your metalwaste into insoluble oxides and store them as powder.

[@ExtractionsAndIre]

So much water to boil off hmmm, but sure, could be done

[@sweetchilli6993]

@@ExtractionsAndIre no need for boiling. just make the unsoluble oxides or other non soluble salts and they will fall out of solution. all u had to do then is grab your buchner funnel/sinter fritt and filter it after they are settled down to the bottom filterpaper, and salts will dry in the sun. store the residual liquid in a black cannister and store it opened in full sun in your backyard - bye bye liquid 🙋‍♀️ use your environment clever

[@friedchickenUSA]

reminding myself its summer over there

[@12co3dy21]

Lol I find it funny that he said he could “probably” explain why he has that waste and it just made me think about the reaction on the disposal persons face when he says “yea I had a KZbin Chanel called explosions and fire”

[@Gunjamed]

Glad your not on fire

[@littlebacchus216]

Dude Slip! Slop! Slap!

[@FrozenDozer]

5:54 the reaction is so cool it had to form shades on the glassware 8)

[@bok..]

Love you mate.

[@caesarcch3879]

Cancer and multiple organ failure are why we can't have nice things in chemistry

[@MrPotatoPro]

Mate, Bunnings sells terracotta pots...

[@tamkakit1233]

Blue is my favorite color