Vegan vs. Meat Eater - Steven Rinella

[@schawnfleites1555]

Wow a vegan and meat eater talk without a flip out, truly is a nice thing.

[@tgbeam]

Cause this was in 2012. Flash forward 7 years, and we have outrage culture with a society that wouldn't be able to hold a conversation like this without slinging some political slur or freaking out

[@steveclarke1857]

Truthfully, people aren't interested in listening anymore. We as a culture tend to take what we want from the things we see, read and hear, and then reject everything else that goes against our opinions. I agree with you, this was a nice exchange. I was expecting it to be a closed minded yell fest aimed at masturbating egos. I was really happy to hear Steven Pinella outline a world view very similar to mine as someone that is basically vegan (outside of game meat I or my friends). If we keep approaching everything as an opportunity to try and build up our egos instead of expand our understanding, we're truly doomed as a culture and society.

[@steveclarke1857]

​@Laurent Courtois Eating meat doesn't make you a bloodthirsty tyrant, and neither does not eating meat.

[@steveclarke1857]

@Laurent Courtois That may have been your intent, but it wasn't what you said.

[@steveclarke1857]

@Laurent Courtois Mate. You brought up Hitler's diet and then his like of animals and dislike of people. It's not between any lines.

[@xeftones]

Eww gross. Two humans being respectful towards one another. This isnt what the Internet was created for.

[@MoskusMoskiferus1611]

You are truly suppose to be Hunted by a group of Bears

[@keuwlcat1319]

@@MoskusMoskiferus1611 that's racist against bears

[@murrayj420]

this made me lol

[@littleshepherdfarm2128]

Y'all are cracking me up!!!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@ToolforOffice]

Lol

[@chasescanlon6488]

“That’s a deal man, I’ll read it tonight I promise” When that old man smiled after he said that my heart got warm

[@pinchJMAN555]

u go to Carmel?

[@StabbyJoe135]

A 2 minute vegan info learning experience in exchange for a book sale? Sounds worth it to me

[@DEATH_TO_TYRANTS]

That's what got me. With the current situation in my country, his smile felt like a hug.

[@samuelan5996]

@@DEATH_TO_TYRANTS this is unfortunately very true

[@AJohns47]

That wasn't an old man it was actually a 19yr old woman but that's just how unhealthy she looks being vegan

[@REMY_L3beau]

Damn, you know this is old when people actually respect one another’s opinion 😂

[@REMY_L3beau]

@Sparka J it’s more of this leftist culture not realizing that other people have thoughts and you should respect them. Our fake news is brainwashing insignificant people who are always told what to do. Can’t think on there own

[@NoInjusticeLastsForever]

There's nothing respectable about needlessly killing animals. 🤷🏻

[@henryybenryy6575]

@@NoInjusticeLastsForever oh would you and your man puss get out of here.. It’s hunting and it’s not murder... Human nature

[@Buckwheat0]

@@NoInjusticeLastsForever A bullet is a pretty great fate compared to life at a factory farm or violently ripped apart by another predator, ngl

[@NoInjusticeLastsForever]

@@Buckwheat0 It's still needless and murder. No excuse for such uncivilized behavior. 🤷🏻

[@ytehrani3885]

This was really respectful - both sides - well done.

[@dr.tragedy1941]

It’s a question. He never accused. He said “isn’t it murder”. Seems pretty respectful on both sides. No tantrums. No interruptions.

[@ericpauly311]

@Phillip Mullis please calm down

[@mannox775]

@Phillip Mullis so true

[@mannox775]

Ye

[@shon5960]

Fuck the vegtard

[@guitarjeffy4966]

Steve didn't debate. He mearly presented an acurate and valid point of view without invalidating or insulting the vegan. A true ambassador for the cause. I enjoy his videos immensely.

[@kendahomie]

Guitar Jeffy The cause?

[@guitarjeffy4966]

Ahh...going for a little troll Ken? Meh. Not worth the time. Nice try though.

[@kendahomie]

Guitar Jeffy As is your cause....

[@guitarjeffy4966]

My cause? Do we know each other? Any ways leave me alone that's all i got to say to you. And go ahead and prove to the world that your a narcissist get the last word in.

[@kendahomie]

Guitar Jeffy You win bud

[@ac060]

Perfect example that we can disagree with people and still be respectful.

[@european-one]

A rarity these days

[@charlestolley2294]

The trick is that neither wants to force the other into compliance. If you actually hope to convince someone, reason is the best tool

[@rodneypratt7082]

I'm 63 years old and I was raised that way you're supposed to agree to disagree and not be all shity about it, what a concept

[@hardwatercamper]

@@charlestolley2294 I like that.

[@sirdavidr6064]

Except that’s not how the world works. People aren’t meant to disagree but still be respectful on every topic. Which fruit taste better, sure but when it comes to health and survival, respect is something that shouldn’t be shown.

[@adamduncan6513]

I wouldn't even call this a vs moment. They were just having an honest conversation. Nice to see it

[@cartergomez5390]

Yes!

[@dagnastyodi4196]

props to the vegan guy for being very respectful.

[@albertledesma5173]

That wasn’t “respectful”. Like Steve said, he wasn’t REALLY asking a question. He was passive aggressively trying to make a point.

[@joshuapatrick682]

Albert Ledesma that’s still as respectful as I’ve ever seen a vegan act especially when they knew they were being filmed.

[@albertledesma5173]

Joshua Patrick Well if that’s the case, then that definitely doesn’t say much about vegans collectively.

[@clinclin1240]

He knew he would be publicly embarrassed and run out on a rail if he showed his true colors. Besides, did you see how low energy and utterly strung out that dude looked? Veganism really does a number on people.

[@european-one]

@@albertledesma5173 I don't think that was passive agressive at all, it's the most common argument against eating meat and surely addressed in the book. If the guy wasn't happy to answer that question he wouldn't be doing a Q&A. People are allowed to disagree, the fact the conversation was so civil means one read the vegan pamphlet, the other read the book on eating meat. Hopefully both come away with a better understanding of the other. It's how society develops

[@lipripnc9366]

I've grown to greatly admire Steve Rinella. He's one of the most well articulated men in the world of hunting. Each of his novels are well worth the read.

[@austinholm-mcrae2777]

Yes, he does appear to have very well functioning joints.. quite flexible...well articulated...

[@josh_da_boss_hello4571]

Probably cause he’s a English grad from UM.

[@bigamigo4863]

Totally agree been a fan of his for a long time. people don't know how good of a writer he really is. His books are really good.

[@SaileAway]

He writes novels?

[@zachphirman6219]

@@SaileAway I'm only aware of nonfiction

[@KenDBerryMD]

Great debate. Handled very well.

[@bigpat989]

This is because what they had was a conversation it wasn’t one side screaming at the other. They probably walked away with both of them not changing their opinions but at least they have a little more insight into each others mindset

[@strings1586]

@@bigpat989 that older gentlemen didn’t even really know what he was talking about but they still tried to empathize and understand each other. Great conversation between two adult human beings

[@user-yp3oj5se1i]

@@strings1586 The older man was very clear. The babbling meat eating man kept going off point during his answer. One of the reasons he gave on why humans should eat other animals was because it's been happening a long time............... . That's not a reason to keep eating meat. Pro meat eaters act that way as they have no case. There is no reason to keep eating meat other than how it tastes to them ( although most meat eaters add herbs to improve the taste of meat) and how full it makes them feel as it takes longer to break down meat. All the nutrient/vitamins are in fruit/veg. The highest b12 source is found in seaweed. Plants also have far more protein then any red meat, pork, chicken or fish. Many animals that are hunted by humans have better characters than the humans themselves.

[@kingrider75]

@DK It is quite amazing what can be accomplished when one side doesn’t attack the other.

[@threezerol944t]

@@user-yp3oj5se1i You're delusional.

[@thumper9633]

I know the elderly gentleman, he's a really great human. Very impressed with the tone of Steven's response, so nice to see two adults with diverging perspectives have an authentic conversation with mutual respect.

[@auto_5]

Awesome.

[@weathp]

That’s so crazy you know him. I believe you when you say he’s a great human. He definitely acts like it here.

[@emerginglobster2075]

How do you know him?

[@gandalf2256]

​@emerginglobster2075 it's true, I know him too. I jerk him off in a toilet block off I95 every second thursday

[@Nordicrancher]

Ethical hunters and vegans have more in common than we think. At the root of things, we are both motivated by a desire to think deeply about the origin and ethics of our food sources and the relationship we have with animals through our food choices. We both value a human-animal relationship that excludes suffering. In this case, vegans chose to avoid eating animals, while hunters chose to pursue a way of gathering their own meat that gives hunters greater control over ensuring that the animals we eat are killed ethically.

[@aidankelly198]

Penis ASMR- despite the name of your profile, that is very wise and well put

[@kyanberusama8847]

@@aidankelly198 🤣🤣 agreed

[@Nordicrancher]

ORYX X There are many types of vegans out here. Im sorry that you only have met the wrong ones.

[@alexcontreras6103]

I think hunting is far more ethical than having an animal live in a pen it's whole life then get slaughter, at least it roams free before getting killed. And in many regards the shot placement hunter place on animals ends them with little suffering

[@dahliaserrato1706]

This is incredibly well said. I’m primarily a vegetarian. Not because I think eating meat is necessarily wrong. I think factory farming is disgusting, unsanitary, and inhumane not only to animals but to humans too. If I had the resources to hunt or raise my own meat, 100% I’d eat it.

[@jasonkubichek6702]

Steve is ridiculously intelligent and a person we should all strive to be like. Awesome watching this!

[@hendersonx]

I stumbled across Steven and meat eater on Netflix. After binge watching the three seasons available (5/6/7) and being in awe of his respect and outlook on hunting, conservation and life itself, I have changed how I view hunting and am now in the process of getting my firearm licence. He is an amazing ambassador for hunting.

[@UnspokenWilderness]

I would hate to see 10,000 Steve Rinellas running around and having to subscribe to them all. I strive to be myself and continue to make strides in life. I very much appreciate Steve. There's a big difference.

[@thats70sraptor30]

From harmony fl?

[@joshuasteele5108]

@French Frys nobody cares.

[@joshuasteele5108]

@French Frys you apparently have a lot to say haha. Please mindlessly ramble on some more for our entertainment please. And also Epstein didn't kill himself.

[@Paulpoission]

Imagine if we had elected officials that spoke this way?

[@digitalhippie2336]

Actually that's exactly why people like him, almost always try to stay away from politics I've seen comments a lot of times about different cool folks, like "why people like you don't run for president" or "I'd vote for you" People like that have a really very different point of view about life and things, and have a good understanding what a mess politics is, and that they should stay away from this dirty swamp to stay who they are There's plenty of examples when cool people get themselves into politics as well, to really make an impact and change things for better, but they either realize what it is made of on the half way and simply quit, or accept it and decide to play by those rules, and become one of them so they can keep moving forward It's all about what you believe in and how you want to live your life. And I don't blame any of them 🙃

[@hahnsmantra7276]

I don't vote for them....therefore I don't have a problem with em None of what they do affects my life...in any way.

[@CodyMoore1987]

I would certainly vote for Steve!!!

[@Rips4Days]

@@digitalhippie2336 shroood

[@digitalhippie2336]

@@bdoll121212 Never heard of that one. Which is true as well I guess

[@connerenglish2135]

I remember watching this video a few years ago and it was the first exposure I had to Steven Rinella. I’ve grown to be a really big fan of Steven and his MeatEater crew. Rinella is assertively articulate. My admiration for communication has been stoked again in life because of the way he portrays his thought. Just wanted to say thank you Steve for all that you and your team does for preservation of wildlife and our right to access land that can put food on our tables. I have learned a shit ton from this guy over the years, if you’ve never listened to his podcast, check it out. -Public Land Owner

[@firelord1125]

This is how you’re supposed to debate someone.

[@yovalks]

If only every debate were so amicable - hell, if only every argument was a debate where both sides were allowed to speak...

[@ashtonoates4798]

i wouldn’t even call this a debate, just a sharing of ideas. debate to me implies a winner and a loser, which is not a productive way to discuss with people

[@mikejessmax]

Take notes Joey Carbstrong

[@duanevigue1603]

Sharing different perspectives and wanting to understand where the other person is coming from isnt a debate.

[@earthpart3]

How is that how you're supposed to debate? He didn't even have any good defenses, just the same lame "arguments" made by brainwashed meat eaters.

[@ElliotScottDating]

Respect to the older man if anything. Usually people aren't that open minded.

[@joshuafurlong5270]

for real, He came off a bit strong, I wont lie. As Steven said he was really asking a question, he was making a point. But he was very respectful in the way he made his point, and was no way aggressive. He also didn't refute anything Steven said, he wanted his answer and he got it. Great conversation on both parts.

[@saschasingsong5868]

I really liked that "converstation". I was eating way too much meat and I did buy it, where it was the cheapest. Since I got a bit older and have more money in my pocket, I really question myself "do I want THAT meat?". I looked around my city and found farmes, that have "happy" cows and pigs and I am willing to pay more money for that animal (for its meat). I don´t like the pictures you see from big factories and how they handle the animals. Right now I am finishing my hunting license, to get even more in touch with it. So yeah.. it is nicer to sit with someone who does see the living animal behind the meat.

[@user-ru9gf7ky2y]

Steve Rinella has absolutely made a huge impact on my adult life. I can not get enough of his knowledge. I'm so glad I am alive to witness it.

[@abasin08]

This is one of the most sophisticated explanations of knowing your “why”, Steve not only defends his reasons, but kills two birds with one stone. He explains, and invites an adversary to the table, that’s how you do it…politicians take notes. Is just people having a discussion respectfully. Good job Steve!

[@rbljackson]

Steve, you represent us (the hunting community) so VERY well. My hat is off to you sir. Of ALL the hunting shows on tv, yours stands heads and shoulders above the rest. WHY? Simply because you represent the hunting community correctly. A deep respect for the animals and the land, not to mention the willingness to work for the meal! Two thumbs up....and your response in this video was first class!

[@MinimalistOutdoors]

@@diracismyhero I'm sorry , but we don't aim for the head we aim for the heart and lungs just behind the shoulder. Can't afford to miss because that's meat we rely on.

[@Bergerac82]

@@diracismyhero precisely the level of totally uninformed I expect from someone trying to bash Rinella.

[@Bergerac82]

@@diracismyhero because you think hunters are blowing animals brains out... It's a fairly high level piece of bullshit. If you think that, you clearly know astoundingly little about hunting.

[@GunslingerOfficial]

Vegan Club is opposite Fight Club. The first rule of vegan club is to tell everyone.

[@keenl4057]

@Dr. Tyler J. Mazzoncini just because you believe something doesnt make it correct

[@TheVeganeater]

Science believes it too but what do they know right? Meat has good qualities but they come at a cost (heart failure is a biggie ) . I here heroin is a relaxing high but also has bad qualities. Smoking is proven to be stress reducing but does that mean it should be something people do all the time.

[@TheVeganeater]

Just because some think animals are just objects and we can do with them as we like doesn't make it correct. Nazi's had a belief that most didn't agree with .

[@keenl4057]

@@TheVeganeater meat doesn't cause heart failure

[@WizzardOfOzz1]

Keen L, it's OK, Vegans don't understand natural balance, they are just extremists of a different flavour. The more vocal ones are far more violent than most people that live a balanced life.

[@V3Valhalla]

"Really? How long is your pamphlet?" Lol, gotta love Steve.

[@iloatheyootoob6954]

This was a lovely exchange, respect and civility all around. Wish we could see more of this these days.

[@bonjovisleftnut8954]

Damn Steven that’s how you get it done . Respect on both sides for being able to have civil conversation over opposing views.

[@ChrisSmith-iv7no]

It’s nice to see a smart discussion of two different views, men like Steven that can get the point across that hunting is a justifiable pursuit, will keep hunting safe for many years.

[@dtigert233]

The amount of respect in this video is what should be admired

[@onemorecorner]

That's what disagreement should look like. Two people respectfully listening to each other's opinions. Not screaming down each other's throats. Not resorting to petty insults. Props to both of these men

[@christiankelley3729]

Wow. This made my eyes water a little. If everyone who disagrees on things could just sit down and talk rationally like this, the world would be a better place. People would still dislike each other for sure, but they would understand why the person they dislike believes what they do.

[@ravenfist]

+christian kelley i agree, but the problem with vegans is there seem to be so many that tries to force their "belifs" unto others, whenever you try to force stuff unto ppl and at the same time says ppl that dont belive the same thing as you are "stupid" when it has nothing to do with intelligence, ppl tend to dislike you :P (not saying everyone is like that) but for me, i definitly understand the hatred for veganism.

[@famulepeterson9369]

Veganism isnt a "belief" though, it's pure facts that meat eaters are afraid to accept.

[@ravenfist]

famule peterson what belifs are you talking about though? That the meat farms are bad for the world? I agree with that and we as a race should most def eat more veg. But its also a fact that pure meat is the best way for humans to get the nutritants we need. And regardless no one is gonna listen to a person who tries to force their thinking unto you, be he vegan or not.

[@famulepeterson9369]

Viktor Gustafsson False. It is a fact proven by scientists that meat increases the risk of fatal diseases, heart issues and of course obesity. It's also been proven that the absolute best diet for a human being is a plant-based diet (veganism)

[@ravenfist]

+famule peterson tjat has actuallt bern disproven

[@sixmanfootball]

I'm sure I've commented before, but this is still one of my favorite MeatEater videos. The respect both men showed one another during this discussion was something we could use a lot more of, especially in today's society.

[@jamie4390]

Nice guy(vegan), waited until the questions before making a statement, then was accepting of the answer and was willing to read another perspective in exchange for his. Might not have same views, but equal respect.

[@AKarnold1010]

Yeah that was a solid positive interaction between two people with different lifestyles. No bitching, no arguments, nobody getting ridiculous and losing their cool. I dig it

[@morrisonjohnw]

I have a handful of vegans in my family. It’s difficult eating out with them but I respect their discipline. Most have actually come to respect my passion for hunting. “Bambi” came up a lot in our earlier conversations. We have become so detached from the natural world! Love to hear you talk about hunting.

[@mrzjohnson4]

I love Steven Rinella! He’s educated, articulate, and is a great example of a hunter, or as we’re also known, conservationists.

[@mathewdavis2427]

Fight Milk Watch Cosmic Skeptic’s video on this. He destroys all of Steven’s “arguments” point by point. These are all very low-level “arguments” that any remotely knowledgeable vegan would destroy.

[@ArnoDJ]

@@mathewdavis2427 bullshit 😂

[@MrMalicious5]

Mathew Davis Any knowledgeable vegan but not you, though, right? 😂

[@hlteh76]

Mathew Davis Watched it. It’s full of supposition and straw man arguments.

[@saoirse7167]

@@hlteh76 Really? In what way did he unfavourably misrepresent the arguments?

[@jafrost1328]

I was anti hunting until i heard steve speak. Never saw a need for it but he's just so measured, intelligent and articulate that his perspective is never lost in emotion or misinformation. One of my favourite tv personailities and i only just found the guy. People assault his way of life probably daily and his grace never falters

[@jafrost1328]

@Table-Country pinxing THRYM Firearms 27 ahh man where I'm from there are a LOT of simple scumbags around that just want to shoot things, but they're easy enough to spot, they'll brag about all the illegal/unethical shit they do to anyone who acts half interested

[@Bsmd25]

@@jafrost1328 yeah, those guys are hated by other hunters too😂

[@jafrost1328]

@@Bsmd25 im from Australia too, so really they have no excuse. Is it invasive? Yes? Then feel free to shoot it unless it's a Brumby

[@cshepard09]

@@jafrost1328 you're generalizing an entire group of people based off the experiences you've had in your life, i'd say its a fair statement to say people who spend their life in the outdoors care more for wildlife than the average person who doesn't. 99% of people who think hunting is wrong don't know anything about wildlife or ecosystems they just know the hunter is always the bad guy in their favorite Disney movie

[@jafrost1328]

@@cshepard09 yeah? No shit? I wonder if that might have been my entire point...

[@calmdown3545]

if you didnt know...youtube commenting is a very bad platform for intellectual debate. Nothing will be accomplished.

[@sallyW.]

True

[@ibrahimelzaim1622]

Comments like that should face repercussions.

[@Socialdfan323]

Ibrahim Elzaim He should be able to say what he wants. I mean it doesn't make what he said ok but are you really going take to heart what someone who wright's like that says (which i understand some people do) but people like peter are usually just ignorant, stupid, lack empathy or could be part of his brain didn't fully develop.

[@Jeffersonyuvens]

thomas mills you should try facebook next time

[@clucl3]

I watched this video thinking, wow that was a great example of a respectful back-and-forth among two people with radically different views.This exactly the kind of attitude we need in American politics, right now. Let's see if the comment section reflects the kind...nope... There should be a comment section just for serious comments.

[@briggsdalton]

Can we just take a second to appreciate Steven’s negotiation skills? This vegan came in with a frown and an intention to make argument and left with a smile and a respect for Steven. So great job.

[@sachinraghavan4556]

That's not skill, just manipulation.

[@madeleygarcia6396]

violance is only permissible in self defence

[@briggsdalton]

@@sachinraghavan4556how is that manipulation?

[@jonathanholden6556]

I could not possibly love this video and Steve’s response any more than I do. Often times it’s hard to find the appropriate words when it comes to defending our right to hunt and the level of respect most hunters share for the game we pursue. I’m going to thumbnail this and show it to every person that questions hunting to perhaps give them a new perspective. There is also a beautiful article titled “Blood Brother” that I recommend people read to go along with this video. Thank you Steve

[@JTPLetsPlay]

A very respectful interaction. People should talk about their differences more like this.

[@wesschimpf5155]

RESPECT to both men! The question and answer were respectful and intelligent. I watch Meat Eater because of Steve's values and approach to hunting. A true professional and you can feel the respect he has for an animal when he does harvest.

[@JLW534]

This is old. Americans with opposing views aren’t screaming at each other.

[@Nopperabou]

2:40 I'm moved when I see people respect each other's point of view.

[@elena-mo9fn]

Hunters are better than people who buy meat from stores.

[@Marinambru]

still has a better option. not only hunt or buy from the store.

[@Variia]

+Elena Smith child rapists who use lube are better than those who don't, right?

[@Variia]

***** in almost every form of animal agriculture animals are raped on a daily basis, so yeah the comparison is pretty accurate.

[@Variia]

***** you're just too dumb to get my point

[@Variia]

***** you didn't respond to reason, so there's really no point in trying to have a discussion with you on any other level

[@jmbromley84]

Both parties very mature to one another, while respecting the others viewpoint. Great job to both men, and having the ability to "agree to disagree. " Love ya Steve! Keep up the good work!

[@lloyddobler2227]

Wow! That's an impressive answer/commentary. Steven took that one head-on with grace and sternness. Perfect!

[@ceoofworldpeace8901]

This is why the Native Americans got it right with hunting. They respected the spirit of animals that they killed.

[@yomamasapeach]

Pro hunting so long as the meat goes to good use.

[@bradxenomorph5066]

If I respect a human, can I kill and eat them?

[@yomamasapeach]

Adam Felcyn If you eat a human, you are exposing yourself to microbiological germs that can actually kill you. Second, eating your own species isn't the same as eating another species for survival. Learn the food chain mate, we aren't all mad vegetarians crying about eating tofu.

[@bradxenomorph5066]

yomamasapeach "If you eat a human, you are exposing yourself to microbiological germs that can actually kill you." I wasn't talking about the nutritional aspect, but the moral aspect. Try to stay on topic. "Second, eating your own species isn't the same as eating another species for survival." Sure it is, if all the other factors are equal. What's the moral difference between eating the family dog and eating your human neighbor's kid? None. They're both sentient, innocent, and you shouldn't need to eat either one of them if you do a little research into veganism.

[@yomamasapeach]

Adam Felcyn Tell me, in a natural aspect of the real world, do animals of any sense not eat each other for the nutritional aspect of sustaining calories and fats? We need to eat other animals for the purpose of survival, and that's what we've been doing since the age of man that's made us so successful. Secondly, eating a human isn't a decision of morality, ethics is nothing more but perception and psychological thinking. No, We decide not to eat each other because our biological framework is to propagate our own species, and this means that we will not devour ourselves to bones because it's against our own basic nature (unless put into a situation of our own basic survival). Secondly, you suck as a troll

[@TheWoodedBeardsman]

Much respect for Steve!

[@ilovegunsandhuntingandradi5912]

hi

[@codymoore8648]

The was he not only admires the animal but admires other people for having a perspective different than his own is asotonishing

[@NoInjusticeLastsForever]

@@codymoore8648 You're brianwashed if you think you can "love" someone while also killing them. Is this the twilight zone??

[@codymoore8648]

@@NoInjusticeLastsForever it’s not about the love for a single organism it’s about the greater love for the species of the organism and the thought of. Just because one hunter goes out and harvests his own food the most natural way we possibly can does not make him a monster. It strictly shows that they are involved in the circle of life and population management and want to learn more and more about the organism and Mother Nature. Of course there are people out there that kill things for the wrong reason... however in a lot of cases such as this one it is completely ethical and for conversation and education. I can assure you that Steve knows more about wildlife than you ever will from his experiences in the wilderness. I appreciate the way you look out for wildlife 100 percent and the care you have for animals. That is awesome however it doesn’t make someone a monster to be involved in something that we have been a part of our whole time on earth😁❤️✌️

[@NoInjusticeLastsForever]

@@codymoore8648 Go watch Cosmic Skeptics breakdown of this hunter's argument. Him knowing more about deer doesn't justify killing needlessly. I'm sure a doctor who eats his patients knows much more than me about medicine. Who cares? Needlessly harming someone is always unethical. 🤷🏻

[@dmarti47]

Great answer to the man's 'question.' Very articulate and well argued but, at the same time, respectful of the man's beliefs.

[@christianfilloux]

I would love to see more of this content. Hard to do because this is such an organic exchange, but this is really awesome and i love the philosophy you get into.

[@GodfatherMontreal]

That was actually calmer than I expected it to be but Steven does carry himself well, he's very well spoken

[@tylerschroeder3722]

Steven handled that like a champ, he articulated his point and message extremely well while being respectful. Very nice job.

[@XOBecOX]

I've just started watching your shows and am truly fascinated with it all.

[@screamingbanana4391]

They were both very respectful to eachother and didn’t push their beliefs to much. I love civil conversations.

[@screamingbanana4391]

Also I’m vegan

[@BrandonPrive1432]

back in the day when you could have debate and both walk away happy and not yelling at eachother, we need this type of debating skills in 2019.

[@musictube17]

Have you heard about 2020?

[@theonetrueeggroll4252]

@@musictube17 Have you heard about 2021?

[@nschott13]

It’s still out there, you just see and hear more of the conflict.

[@sethskeens9945]

I really like the guys reaction to Steven's response I thought for sure this was going to go the wrong direction but it ended very well. Good job on both sides.

[@coldworld5]

Even as a vegeterian I think hunting is a better way of eating meat than farming, it's a respect for the food cycle.

[@Monki_29]

Depends on what farming also... Eco farming it's like neo farming, when you farm all natural and give the cattle a greater life... It all comes down to give a relatively good live to your livestock as a farmer.

[@erectiondisection8105]

Its better than factory farming but that isnt saying much. Hunting is still ultimately immoral when you can just eat plants to live.

[@AlphaWolf096]

Erection Disection Hunting is also necessary for wildlife management. More humans and deer would die in deer-induced road collisions if we didn't hunt, than the number of deer that die or even get wounded due to hunting.

[@MertAtakansscryp]

Well it's not like he throws out any meat or would stop hunting. He enjoys it and turns the experience into an educational show which is enjoyed by many. This show is way more ethical compared to the ones profit through human psychology exploitation.

[@candykanefpv]

Allisonom A the question you have to ask is if there wasn't the exposure would he be doing things any differently. And he wouldn't. He would still be going out there to harvest animals. They may not be in as remote areas but he'd be doing the same thing.

[@mattplyler12]

Steven Rinella is a GREAT advocate for not only hunters, but conservation, but just being a respectful, educated, and kind man. He’s changing how America views hunters, and it’s for the better

[@Thejigholeman]

"don't the creatures you kill want to live as much as you do?" doesn't the deer want to live as much as the bear that kills it?

[@hippibunni3689]

Are you really trying to compare humans to bears? Thats so idiotic. A bear hunts because its a carnivore, and bears eat fish anyway. You clearly don't know what your talking about.

[@Thejigholeman]

Skylar Taylor "a bear hunts because it's a carnivore" this guy eats meat, he hunts animals. i know your type. you are a religious vegan or vegetarian. in you eyes hunting is bad because EVIL HUMANS!!! HOOMAN KILL ANIMAL BAD! ANIMAL KILL ANIMAL GOOD! do burgers trigger you my little snowflake? also, does the fish want to live? or do fish not count because fish aren't as cute as deer and rabbits?

[@hippibunni3689]

+zomberz von zombycow Nope not even remostly religious :) good job trying to label me as a piece of snowflake tumblr bullshit though. I'm sure the fish does want to live, the bear hunts because it has no other choice. It knows no other type of food. Its body isn't built to break down anything else. Human's on the other hand, are capable of remorse and guilt. And we have more options for food. We know the difference between wrong and right.

[@Thejigholeman]

Skylar Taylor "we know the difference between wrong and right" that's an odd statement to make when talking to someone with an opposing view on a matter. you assume that what you think is wrong to YOU is wrong to everyone else. if we knew that eating meat was wrong, wouldn't we feel guilty every-time we ate a burger, or some sushi? "humans are capable of remorse and guilt" not an argument for why people should not eat meat.

[@hippibunni3689]

+zomberz von zombycow Well i just assumed that most humans wouldnt want to kill an animal with their bare hands like a bear would do. But there are the hunters out there who enjoy killing animals for no reason what so ever. For their own entertainment I assume. My bad. The reason people dont feel guilt when they eat animal products is simply because they dont think in depth about it. That what was once on their plate was living and breathing. They put these bliders up and choose to ignore anything that opposes their lifestyle. Similar to how heavy christians refuse to hear anything about other religions and atheism. If you dig deep into where your food came from im sure the way you look at a big mac would change.

[@scotteshpeter1849]

Steve you are amazing how you deal with people who have a perspective that hunting is terrible. You are calm , passionate and so full of knowledge of all things that are required to respect nature and humans. Thank you for teaching people who are experienced and people who are not. I love everything you are doing and what you stand for. Thank you very much

[@stuartpayne6473]

I’ve had multiple conversations with vegans and I live by the life style of a hunter.. I hunt deer and I eat what I hunt. What I don’t eat I provide to nature to enjoy once I’ve taken all useable meat off the animal. I have a colleague who has told me I should be a vegan because it’s better for my health. Whilst I don’t disagree it does provide health benefits as part of a balanced diet I do have to say that colleagues sickness record is almost at the point that he’s going to be heading for a disciplinary. What Steve said is 100% true.. Our DNA has been evolved from thousands of years of hunting. Let’s just for one moment look at this.. our world as we know it changes in the blink of an eye. Our food outlets, restaurants and farms gone. What’s going to happen to the vegans ?? When you can’t buy your store bought meals ? How many vegans actually go out and pick there food ?? Yet a hunter going out and hunting his/hers is wrong? My view ... I do what I do.. if you don’t like it then fine but don’t expect me to give a shit because I don’t share your views it doesn’t make me wrong or you wrong. I love veg and I love meat. Simple as that

[@wakeupmrwest4357]

I feel like a majority, or at least a nice percentage of vegans would be happy to graze, forage, gather, and farm.

[@thoremblem3625]

Vegans and ethical hunters are not opposites, but on the same side. As a vegan, the big problem I have is with factory farming, but hunting as long as it doesn’t throw the ecosystem out of balance and the entire carcass is used is great and I have absolutely no problem with it

[@robertgroves5630]

@@wakeupmrwest4357 I don't think anything vegans could do aside from farming is practical to rely solely on. Even farming wouldn't be practical because you would have to kill animals for the crops to survive well enough, even indirectly through things like pesticides. Look at herbavors. Less energy per unit so they're eating all day. In modern society the best thing is to just shop knowing animals are still killed to protect crops.

[@saoirse7167]

What we used to do should not dictate what we do now that we have the choice. Vegan diets (done correctly) are healthier than omnivorous diets, with a lowered risk of heart disease, type II diabetes and various cancers. I doubt very much that veganism alone is the cause of your colleague's frequent bouts of illness. Modern convenience has led to a large proportion of humans to eat a lot more animal products than we have evolved to cope with, hence issues with cholesterol (carnivores don't suffer the ill effects of high cholesterol). Whether to not many vegans do, it is perfectly possible for a vegan to grow all of their own food, it would even require about 1/18 of the land that a meat-eater would need because the process of raising animals is necessarily inefficient. Yes, you have one view and I have another and the mere fact that I disagree with you doesn't make you wrong, but it doesn't then follow that you aren't wrong. You don't have to engage in a discussion about it if you don't want to, but I think it's generally worthwhile for all of us to question our views and to make sure we can justify them.

[@ART_EYELAND]

@@robertgroves5630 - I presume you hunt with your teeth and fingernails.

[@GizmoGuzman0924]

The thank you at the end must be satisfying when people can discuss and not argue

[@heethen112]

All I ask is open minded conversation, we don’t need to agree.. 10 years later it’s almost not the subject that moves me..

[@deltronzero9]

Handled like a gentleman.

[@mavicdronner2568]

Steve’s response was perfect! Although the title of this should not be “.vs” as this was an intelligent discussion. Love MeatEater! Can’t wait for season 9!

[@MirrorMountain]

Amen!

[@izuksammy]

Where I live, 50 years ago there were deer running rampant. Now they are significantly less but the coyotes and mountain lions are way up. One cat may kill 25 a year and I kill 1. It’s not making as big of an impact as some would suggest.

[@The2highProductions]

I don't like vegans who push their ideas on hunters, but I also don't like hunters who push ideas on vegans. I, personally enjoy hunting, but as an educated hunter you need to realize how to argue your point, and not harass and push your views on others. Hunting licenses and tags are responsible for over 75% of the wildlife rehab funds, and gun and ammo tax makes a big dent in the rest. Hunting tags are sold after surveys are taken on how many tags should be sold that year. Hunting helps control populations, if there are too many deer, more predators will be born, reducing the number of deer in that area to near extinction, then reducing their population to near extinction as consequence. When you hear "it's the circle of life", it's not chiche, its scientifically proven. If you don't like killing animals, that is perfectly o.k, but understand what hunting does and how it effects the animal kingdom, then make a logical, calm argument on your views.

[@d00mg4ze]

Appeal to emotion much?

[@scottblack8266]

Anthony Cannatella Gun hunting is for those folks that can’t get close enough to kill them with a stick and string .

[@zachdidow2441]

Steve is arguably one of the most wholesome humans alive.

[@jaredbowen3527]

Besides the hunting stuff maybe...

[@zachdidow2441]

@@jaredbowen3527 I feel as if maybe you missed the point of the debate he had. Again, if you look down on someone for something that humans have done for thousands of years as a cohesive part of the food chain (When done properly) then that says more of you than them.

[@andrewhofinger4673]

@@jaredbowen3527 you are the definition of what is wrong with people nowadays

[@hugharrdum889]

@@jaredbowen3527 Then there's people like you.

[@benwilliams584]

@@zachdidow2441 superbly said

[@mbb6740]

As someone who doesn’t eat meat, but loves Meateater and what it stands for, this encounter made me really happy from both perspectives.

[@thecommunistdoggo1008]

Well you're missing out it's delicious

[@mbb6740]

@@thecommunistdoggo1008 so you’re assuming I’ve never eaten an animal? Cool

[@eddiefleetwood2945]

Props to Steve on this. Excellent points made by both sides and both sides are equally collective in their debate. As a fellow hunter, I think we stoke the flames on this issue. There tends to be a lot of emotion when this discussion is brought up by either side and gets heated way to quickly. The fact that both individuals here were able to bring forth their points and discuss vs fight over their ideals is exactly needs to be done. If more people were open to listening to both sides, I think this issue would die down. But, there is a tendency to start cutting jugulars from the jump before a valid discussion can be had. Only if more people were willing to sit down and have a civil conversation.

[@Matthew-zk4qr]

Who else gat this recommended 8 years later

[@yaboitater7310]

I am from the future

[@tylermaly1390]

I miss the time when we could actually have a nice conversation like this.

[@jackeisner7401]

Steve should be the voice for all hunters.

[@bradyrothmeyer4628]

Steve is a class act! When faced with what could be a hard question He answered that with nothing but respect for that man I applaud him for that. I also applied the man for asking Steve a question about veganism while honoring and respecting Steve’s answer without wanting to debate! Good on you both.

[@berzerk217]

in the words of George Carlin: if everything that lived died and everything that lives or will live, will die, where does the sacred part come in?

[@kramniboh1189]

The cycle of life and death is the sacredness.

[@be_hoppy5395]

@TheEnd bit of a nihilistic pov, eh? Hahaha

[@jasonringor9358]

This video makes me smile every time

[@harryrawlings3164]

Rinella really needs to debate Gary Yourofsky. Would be so interesting to watch.

[@heartist256]

yeah hed get his ass handed to him

[@abesebag1085]

just amazing, love the civility behind this conversation. 2 people who disagree smiling at the end of a disagreement. just beautiful.

[@Kanzu999]

Always nice to see people respect each other and that they can have civil discourse. This is an absolute requirement if you want to change anyone's mind to begin with, and it's also much nicer for everyone involved. Having said that, I don't think the hunter's answer justified him hunting. The fact that we have we have always behaved in a certain way in the past is not in itself a justifiable reason for anything. Lots of practices were completely normal for a very long time in the past, and we can still find these practices to be immoral today. Also, we can't blame a wolf for killing, because it needs to in order to survive and for its health in general. We don't. Our canines don't make us carnivores either, and if you look at them and compare them to other carnivores, certainly we are far off. Also, take a look at a gorilla, or take a look at pretty much all our closest relatives. They all have much larger canines than us, yet they're herbivores. In fact, our bodies resemble that of herbivores, not carnivores. So even though I'm currently convinced that the hunter doesn't have a decent justification for hunting, I'm not saying that he definitely doesn't. But I do think that his answer here didn't justify it.

[@goodtalker]

It seems to me that the "default" position of humans is carnivorous. Meat is supposed to be a part of our diet. I've killed deer and eaten them and also worked in the beef industry. Honestly, the deer have it much better than a steer.

[@sinahamedani7927]

I would disagree with "default" since humans don't have the basic traits of most carnivores (keen senses for hunting, canine teeth, strength, speed). Our "default" would most certainly be herbivores as we have a way better ability to produce crops than hunt at any given moment

[@goodtalker]

@@sinahamedani7927 Producing crops requires a stable community that does not move around. For hundreds of thousands of years man moved around.....a lot. Farming is a relatively new human activity. Those instincts that predators have that contemporary man does not more than likely disappeared through evolution as man indeed discovered agriculture. Native Americans not so long ago were exceptional predators even before the assistance of horses or rifles. I have canines. My lower right is capped.

[@juliosanchez2411]

@@sinahamedani7927 yeah running for hours, eyes straight forward and great intelligence are not traits of a hunter 🥱😒 In all seriousness anywhere you go, ANYWHERE. You can always kill something make a fire and eat it. Very default if you ask me whereas eating vegetation requires quite a bit of knowledge.

[@GuinessHangover]

@@sinahamedani7927 How do you explain native people's living in an arctic or subarctic climate, surviving almost exclusively on meat, as edible vegetation is virtually nonexistent year-round?

[@sinahamedani7927]

@@goodtalker I agree humans were nomadic before agriculture but like you said that was during a homo erectus, neanderthal time where they were more adapted to hunting. Also big part of nomadic lifestyle was gathering wild crops. This is also what makes us omnivores

[@jamx97]

When a wolf kills a deer is it murder? No. So why does this old geezer call eating an animal murder?

[@radzio1488]

becouse old geezer is deluded. He want everyone to act like him, live like him, eat like him. This is what nazis and commies wanted.

[@Staticseven1]

I look at it like to each his own. We live in a time were some of us don't have to hunt for survival. I know ppl who hunt, but I don't do it myself and don't have a problem with ppl that do. I just don't have that feeling to do it. To wake up one day and say hey, I'm going to kill something today for whatever reason. I don't have to kill for survival, so I don't.. it's pretty simple. But for those that do, to each their own.

[@jamx97]

diracismyhero That's my point, animals have no ethics and have no moral obligations. Hence we shouldn't equate them in the same category as human beings when we eat them. Therefore it's not murder when we kill an animal for consumption.

[@jamx97]

diracismyhero Are you paying attention? I never said or implied that we should base our ethics on what animals do? where are you getting this from? My response was to the old geezer calling the killing of animals for consumption murder when clearly it is not. Premise A is easily solved by giving animals a quick and painless death. The issue then is the method and not necessarily the killing itself. But what about the people in remote areas who rely on meat for survival? Often they would kill the animal with a knife or a blow gun and death is slow and painful for the animal. Are they morally wrong too for eating the meat of their kill? Let me ask you, what is the basis of morality?

[@tankalank72]

IASKWHY no one has time ti read all that. Fuck off

[@MilknCookz]

11 years ago now and this is still so calming to watch. What a healthy and refreshing conversation about opposing views. Cheers to these two gentlemen

[@Nejdetärbratack]

Humans have been eating veggies for a looong time. We have been eating meat for quite a looong time too. We are made to be able to eat both. So why tf are people so upset? EAT VEGAN food as much as you can, and when you do eat meat. PLEASE Make sure its produced in a GOOD place. Were the animals can be animals. OR the best thing to do, is like this respectful man, hunt yourself This is a good man❤

[@trevora3202]

Salty Scottiboi A comment I can stand behind.

[@IHMadeThis]

After watching Earthling Ed videos, all of the meat eater's arguments are just flimsy.

[@NoInjusticeLastsForever]

Or if you watched Cosmic Skeptic's response to this. He absolutely wrecked this hunter guy!

[@GuitarBloodlines]

Earthling Ed is a middle class joke tbh, as is Cosmic Skeptic

[@NoInjusticeLastsForever]

@@GuitarBloodlines You can't dismiss what someone is saying by saying they're a "joke". That doesn't mean anything. This hunter is a joke too. It's a meaningless statement.

[@GuitarBloodlines]

@@NoInjusticeLastsForever nah, the hunter has done more for animal conservation than Ed, the Cosmic Skeptic, Joey, James, and all the saviour squad put together

[@NoInjusticeLastsForever]

@@GuitarBloodlines He kills for fun and tries to martyr myself like he's doing something good for humanity. This has been debunked countless times by everyone you just mentioned LOL

[@GaryLiseo]

When it comes to the aspect of us using guns, or in some cases bows, that is merely humans using what we developed (more developed brains which can create and use such tools). Wolves have claws and teeth, we have weapons

[@Kmac1484]

I couldn’t agree more. There are several instances where different groups of the same type of animals that have developed different hunting strategies based on there locations and the opportunities that their environment provide.

[@YOgooshusWHAT]

Guns and bows give us an upper hand, but they also give the animal a far more humane death than they otherwise would have had, whether disease, infected injury or another animal tearing then to shreds.

[@dravenhouse9743]

This is one of my favorite videos on the internet

[@georgefloydspaceshuttlepro1839]

It's a fake disagreement. Learn to recognize setups for your time

[@Samuel-bu7xr]

The problem is the vast majority of meat we consume comes from intensive factory farming, where animals are tourtured. Nothing about this scenario is natural or healthy.

[@junglefever4091]

Say it louder for the animal abusers in the back of the room! 🌱

[@fernandorochamedeiros5684]

@@junglefever4091 shut up snowflake

[@DivyenduKashyap]

Hunting free animals really is a lot more ethical than torturing animals throughout their lives and later eating them. However, even that is nutritionally unnecessary today, justified only by the selfish desire for "tasty food".

[@janieswanson2549]

How do you justify your use of animal products? Is it selfishness?

[@DivyenduKashyap]

@@janieswanson2549 I don't use animal products

[@janieswanson2549]

@@DivyenduKashyap Sure you do. Smart phones, computers, routers, and servers are all made with and contain fat, gelatin, and bones. Every time you make a comment you're using animal products. So.... How do you justify your use of animal products? Is it selfishness?

[@harpman1876]

If there's a choice between a double Whopper heavy onion or a bowl of salad, just take a wild guess at what I eat.

[@behemoth5344]

it depends: are you overweight and spending more than 1-2 hours online or playing videogames?

[@adampastana]

I enjoyed the dialogue and mutual respect here

[@webhead2777]

"I am a meat eater" one of my favorite shows

[@joshtaylor6748]

"When in Rome" ... "That doesn't really apply here" "I still dont get it"

[@eliasniewerth]

this was the nices debate I have ever seen on the Internet. Great respect to that man for going right ahead and offering respect by thanking him for answering the question

[@macaron3141592653]

This is the best disagreement I have seen in my life like after wrecking the guy he said he Appreciated his perspective - Like, when the hell does that ever happen????

[@bradleypeterson2208]

+macaron3141592653 When two open minded, rational people have a debate.

[@ART_EYELAND]

All Steve wrecked was logic with his 2 very obvious logical fallacies(the Appeal to nature fallacy and appeal to tradition fallacy).

[@a0um]

“Innocent animal” is already a projection of a human where it doesn’t belong. This is not killing for punishment, it’s killing for feeding oneself. Life is sacred… if life is intended as ecosystem, I agree. But life is individual creatures is not sacred: that’s the nature of life on Earth. Some creatures eat and kill other creatures. I think we should protect the ecosystem, not the individual animals. In fact, herbivores destroy the ecosystem because they reproduce and, lacking natural predators, they wipe clean the vegetation, destroying the habitat for other animals… so we have to kill some of them to preserve the life of other species.

[@myfightchannel777]

Very well said Sir

[@craftylemon2460]

One thing many vegans don't get is the following. Lets say that no humans hunted animals, do they think that the animals will live a happely ever after? The death they get from a human hunter is the best death an animal could wish for. Those that are shot don't end up being eaten alive like the rest. Death by nature is often horrific.

[@myfightchannel777]

@@craftylemon2460 another great point, that I've often used when debating anti-hunters.

[@kekonator8262]

@@craftylemon2460 yet you wouldn't have to kill them, i think the only real justification for hunting, if it's not to keep yourself alive, is to preserve ecosystems in which humans eliminated the natural predators thus creating an overpopulation of harbovours with all it's negative implications. Otherwise there is no need to kill and hunt in the western world. If an action has no valid justification but a victim, one shouldn't pursue it.

[@craftylemon2460]

@@kekonator8262 Death is part of life. The whole of nature since the beginning of time is life consuming other life, even plants are something that is alive. What we can do is to end the life we want to consume in a humane way, we are the only ones capable of this. Lets pretend that no predators exist, how do you figure all the plant eating animals will die in nature? On a green meadow surrounded by their loved ones? They will still die a slow painful death. Stop pretending that they will live happely ever after if it wasn't for all the evil humans. If i were a deer, i would rather get shot by a human when my genes has already passed on and i'm still healthy so desease or wolfes don't get me in the end. Passing on your genes is the one and only goal of every single animal on earth except for humans. We are the only species that can have dreams and goals beyond passing on our genes.

[@ChrisReynoldsIsMyName]

If only politicians could speak to each other this way.

[@glenbrandenburg2540]

Politicians aren't human though , they've put themselves into sub class beneath animals

[@AfricanSunProductions]

Very well handled, respectful and thoughtful. I get many similar questions on my channel and try to answer in a similar way.

[@williamgoboff1772]

You respect the animal you hunt more than anyone who thinks they should never be hunted. After tracking them for miles and waiting and filling tracks and broken saplings and scrappings you learn so much about them and their behavior. It's such hard work. People think you just get out of your car a shoot a deer then that's it you hunted. Not even close.

[@patrickgjorven7832]

Well, sometimes, for some people it is just stepping out of their vehicle, walk a couple dozen steps and take a shot. I just haven't been that fortunate.🤷‍♂️🤣

[@catcherray3610]

Fun Fact : Pork chop taste better when chopped before cook.

[@KelseyDrummer]

Really? I'm going to try it!

[@afinelookinggentleman2631]

Handled with class from both sides of the argument

[@kevintoews5656]

The world needs to move back toward more of these types of interactions. Two people in a respectful dialogue. Both feel strongly about their opinion but are perfectly willing to have a civil discussion. None of the false outrage we see today.

[@PowerfulPrimates]

Great response. Mutual respect.