Vegans vs Carnivores: Time for Truce? Let's Team Up...

[@charliegeo2779]

I was vegan for 33 years but never felt healthy. I bit the bullet and switched to carnivore and the improvements in my health are off the charts. I was never one of those asshole vegans who tries to force it on everyone, nor will I be an asshole carnivore, but I do tell everyone who's interested about the improvements I experienced. I'd say decades of depression disappearing within a month was one of the biggest wins of my life. Your videos, and those of some of your colleagues helped me make my decision. Thanks for that!

[@Mistermopar]

👍Beautifully put! your words will inspire many...

[@A1N0]

My question always is, as a Vegan, how do you get enough calories in your day without resorting to rice, pasta, bread, potatoes, and other very carb heavy foods? I never could.

[@charliegeo2779]

French fries are vegan. I had a big belly and didn't get rid of it on Vegan. Enough years of eating all the things I now know not to eat made it very easy for me to put on weight.

[@clare2432]

@@A1N0 I did it successfully for seasons at a time with very high fruit - many bananas, watermelons, mangoes, dates etc and green smoothies. It feels amazing short term and my BMI was 18. The problem is sourcing so much fruit and having time to eat it all. Running on sugar feels very good and makes you want to run more. But not sustainable

[@dj.h7424]

Vegan wfpb never felt better, life without eating meat is blissful and by the bloods and metrics is super healthy! Meat isn't food, doesn't even look like it, just looks like what it is; death. Processed food the same, evil!!

[@townvintage]

I was vegetarian for 25 years. As a carnivore I feel better than I ever have my entire life. I think what vegans and carnivores have in common is that a lot of carnivores used to be vegans!

[@josephbeers2256]

Me too!

[@MilaMirage]

@@townvintage agree😂👍🏻

[@terencemichaels]

That's me! And never better in my whole life.

[@stevijay2953]

LoL

[@chesterinabennington7891]

Veganism is long term fasting. They need to rebuild themselves with animal products.

[@morganantoinettephoenix1107]

I was vegan for 10 years and it ended giving me several and severe health conditions. Thankfully carnivore helps me on a daily basis after just 3 months.

[@Learningthetruth7]

Me, too!

[@Lady_Mich]

Same. I was a raw vegan for 6 years, so basically starving. In the end, I had more health problems than I had when I was living on fast food, soda and ice cream. Has carnivore helped you get rid of the vegan-induced illnesses? I'm recently consistently keto and have seen great results, but I wonder what would happen if I could give up my beloved broccoli and cabbage. I feel like I would starve because I don't eat eggs or nuts, or at least get tired of just meat and butter.

[@joberobinson1745]

@@Lady_Mich no need to take out broccli and cabbage both great foods!!

[@nikolajnielsen1466]

What changes did you notice?

[@Jodie-masterson]

What conditions

[@bezoar21]

If someone feels good and is healthy, it amazes me that someone else should care what they are eating. We all have to figure out what works for ourselves. Having lost 130 pounds and resolved many medical issues, I have found what works for me. If someone else refuses to eat meat, that leaves more for me.

[@jimrutherford2773]

You're somewhat naive because vegans are on a political and environmental crusade. It's not only about one diet being better than the other.

[@m007mm]

I have a vegan friend who says he's feeling good. But he also starts to believe some crayzee stuff... His way of consuming is very religious, without shaming m-eaters.

[@honorburza9110]

But what about when people you care about are having health issues linked to vegan/vegetarianism but it’s just too hurtful to suggest changing their diet can help.

[@petercallinicos]

I've been carnivor for 5 years. I've completely stopped discussing my diet with anyone. No one cares what you eat. I certainly don't care what people eat.😮😮😅😅

[@Jimbo878]

2 years for me, I've also stopped talking about the diet, family and friends I tried to encourage, sent them videos etc, none have paid any heed, despite being witness to the stark visible difference in my own body/energy/ enthusiasm etc. I have been disheartened as many of them would have seen enormous health gains in themselves (especially the obese and type II diabetes sufferers), I got fed hearing the sound of my own voice. So, each to their own.

[@Wealthofhealth_CD]

So very, very true

[@nancychandler768]

I do care what people eat because it affects all of us but focusing on myself is the best way to lead by example.

[@dannymcneal]

@@Jimbo878- Same with me and my friends and family. It’s easy to see food addiction in them. Not only that, but they are frequently bringing up my diet in an effort to belittle me-their obese selves sitting on the sidelines of life. And the rare times that I do fall off the wagon, like at a birthday party, they actually celebrate me coming back to their side for that quick visit. They say, “Well, you can’t give up all your joy! Besides, what’s the use living an extra 3 or 4 years if you’re having to give up all your pleasures?” I sit around the dinner table with them, and all they talk about are their aches and pains (mostly preventable), their doctor appointments (mostly preventable), how much their prescription med cost (mostly preventable), and who has cancer (mostly preventable). I’m done sounding like a broken record, so I will just continue carnivore, enjoying pickleball, and setting a good example-no more advice that they’re not asking for nor welcoming. If they want to know more, I’ll let them ask.

[@BrickMudge]

@@nancychandler768 THANK YOU! LEADING BY EXAMPLE INCLUDES TELLING PEOPLE THINGS THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO HEAR!

[@lukag3155]

The concept of health in "The 23 Former Doctor Truths" book completely explains this. I wish I read it sooner.

[@ocdplaylistmaker7032]

@lukag3155 I've seen this under a diary of a ceo video. Sus

[@cufever]

It's a good idea. I was vegan when I found you on KZbin. I was vegan because my doctor recommended it for health reasons. I was not vegan for ethical reasons. However, I developed type 2 diabetes. I found you and cured my diabetes within 2 months. Let's bring vegans along with us.

[@sportysbusiness]

If it helps, vegan is an ethical movement with zero to do with health. Plant based is eating plants only for health. The word vegan is now being incorrectly used to cover 2 meanings. A bit like the word woman...

[@grinpick]

I tried eating vegan. I tried eating exclusively carnivore. The latter helped me transition to sharply restricting refined carbs, by which I mean, for the sake of simplicity, sugar and flour. But I did not feel great under either strict regime. I currently consume a lot of meat and animal fat and also eat salads and steamed vegetables. And I feel pretty good. I'm 77, do a 4 mile jog two or three times a week and take no prescription meds. One additional point: if you're exclusively vegan or carnivore and allow your preference to become a moral issue, that attitude will make rational discussion of dietary choice difficult. In my experience this attitude is more common among vegans, many of whom seem to think that eating meat is tantamount to killing another human. I'll admit that during the 18 months or so during which I tried to be strictly vegan, I allowed that choice to become a moral issue for me. I regret that. It has been over twenty years since my vegan phase and I still find myself apologizing to people for the lofty and sanctimonious pronouncements I subjected them to during that time.

[@TheBudgetWarrior]

Same here. Meat and veg with occasional fruit/berry. It’s easy to stick to, easy to eat out, and I’m healthier than ever.

[@marinavanmens6563]

Same here …. Carnivore didn’t t work for me but will continue eating more meat than I used to

[@djtoman6875]

Very well said. I don’t have a problem with vegans, as long as they shut up and live and let live.

[@terencemichaels]

I echo your experience ....well said.

[@m007mm]

Those salads and veggies might help you to counter Oxalate Dumping. You may be able to do that with only black tea and some dark chocolate...

[@Sara-pb6lj]

I’ve experimented with both a plant based woe, as well as a very low carb/carnivore-light woe (my health markers didn’t change either way). I’m at the point in my life where my focus is much more on eliminating the ultra processed stuff. In September I quit my Diet Coke habit, and have since cut out all artificial sweeteners. I’m working towards a whole foods diet, containing both plant and animal sources. No vegan fake foods and no keto fake foods. Great video Dr. B!

[@JohnSmith-gy4qj]

Do you fast as well?

[@angelnoyy]

Yesssss the keto fake foods and vegan fake foods is literally sabotage to the point of the lifestyle diet change

[@angelnoyy]

No more junk! You got this

[@DocSiders]

After more than a Decade on a Low Fat Plant Based Diet I had developed: T2 Diabetes, High Blood Pressure, Arthritis, Insomnia, Chronic Gut Inflammation, Migraines, Fibromyalgia, GERD, Brain Fog & Memory issues, 35 lbs Overweight, Recurring Skin Rashes (neck & shoulders), Chronic Neck Pain. I thought i was just getting old (and I was) BUT In only 4+ Months on a Carnivore diet (for Blood Sugar Control) every one of these chronic health issues have gone away or improved immensely & I'm off all medications (None of which were working that well -- for BP, Metformin, Migraine, Prilosec, & Skin). My strength & endurance have increased a lot. Plus....now im NEVER HUNGRY...Eat only 2 meals a day now (used to "graze" all day). On the Plant Based diet I lived with a constsnt gnawing hunger. Blood Sugar is normal, Triglycerides were cut in half. While HDL more thsn doubled (thereby improving my "Triglycerides/ HDL" Ratio by over 400%). Plants did nothimg to keep me healthy. May not stay on a strict Carnivore diet.... but Im never going back to eating only Plants.

[@MindYourOwn777]

It’s a great message here. 👍🏽 “United we stand, divided we fall.”

[@BeefNEggs057]

Misguided when the other side wants you to stop existing. Depopulation agenda is what you’re trying to compromise with. There is no compromise with that.

[@Ami_Decristo]

Dr Berry, I sincerely cherish you and Neisha. The two of you have been so inspiring to me. This video is another great perspective. Thank you for everything.

[@WorldsGreatestRingAnnouncer]

My biggest stichk is that vegans denial of the process that gets them most of their products. They claim it’s “animal cruelty free”. For example, soybeans require farmers to eliminate all animals in the farming fields. Animals include rodents and birds. It’s hypocritical.

[@marciavimazal8692]

While I agree animals need to be humanly treated, just remember cows in their current state are bread to eat. Some consider cows as pets, but this is not most of us. Just because you may have a pet dog doesn't mean you will eat that dog because that's not why the dog was bread. Great video!

[@kevincaruthers5412]

@@marciavimazal8692 The word is 'bred' not 'bread'. One describes genetic transfer. The other is an excuse to eat butter. :)

[@BeefNEggs057]

@@marciavimazal8692 They exist to give us nutrition. Your plants are grown and kill wild animals by the boatload to give you “nutrition.” What’s the difference? The cows wouldn’t exist if they were not to be eaten. The wild animals your agriculture kills would exist in greater numbers. Cows improve soil. Ag ruins soil and contributes by far the most to water quality problems.

[@WorldsGreatestRingAnnouncer]

@@AnteroH it’s not being hyperbolic. Avocados and Almonds in California for example require massive amounts of bee importations. 2/3rds don’t survive the journey. Tens of millions of bees die needlessly just to have avocado toast. Soybeans are even worse. Hundreds of birds and vermin in a 10 acre farming sector just to get your soy beans. This involves poisoning, shooting, etc. there are alternatives like tomatoes, potatoes etc that don’t require those drastic measures, but they’re nutrient lacking. Look if vegans know this, accept the risk and don’t refer it to “cruelty-free”, most people don’t take issue. The problem is that they use semantics to downplay this such as animal deaths are byproducts of this, so no animal was harmed in the harvesting. Thus, cruelty free. Carnivores accept that you have to kill an animal in order to harvest its meats. We want to minimize the pain and suffering, a minimally cruel death and having an stress-free environment to develop in. That’s the big difference.

[@LightshamanaQiarra]

​@AnteroH plants are living things too. Humans cannot survive without eating and "killing" living things. Also the amount of very harmful chemicals required to produce plants are astronomical and poisons our land, water, air and every living things around us.

[@papajeff5486]

Dr. Berry, GO VOLS, I’m excited to tell you my health progress. Early July,’24, this summer, I finally went to a primary care doctor. I’m 5’10” and weighed 308 lbs.. I was diagnosed with fatty liver, obesity, HTN and diabetes. With your help, I went on a strict KETO/ carnivore-lite diet (I had black coffee and less than an ounce of pecans or walnuts X2 per week), eating OMAD. By early November, last month, I lost 82 pounds and dropping. Obesity is on its way out. Fatty liver going too. My BP went from 187/ 117 to 92/54, HTN, cured. My A1C and sugar is back to normal, diabetes, cured. My primary care doctor had zero interest or influence. I want to thank you for your help…from an old veteran, finally retired in the foothills of the east Tennessee Smokies.

[@suzannebigras7071]

so so proud of you. keep going my friend. you deserve health and happiness. 🙋‍♀️👍

[@Antiguanian]

Thank you for your service!

[@gundelpalacsinta2604]

These comments are so helpful, thank you. We need boost, our diet was high in meat and animal fat (I don't use oils except when making mayo with avocado oil) but we still ate lots of carbs in a form of sourdough bread, potato and raw sugar (in coffee) sometimes rice, too. Whenever I cook I try to keep the carb low using more veggies and meat and less rice, but still... we are obese. The only thing I can't tolerate is the coffee without a bit of sweetness and some veggies used to give taste to the food (onion, garlic, carrots and parsnips or for stew pepper and tomato) , they are not big amounts but absolutely needed if we don't want to live only in steak and eggs. Any idea please for the coffee problem? Is there anything which is better and tolerable to make it a bit sweet? Honey maybe? We also drink raw milk, that stays no matter what, my teeth stopped rotting when we changed to drink only raw milk. In whole my life they said I couldn't absorb calcium well, BS, my mother was very pushy on milk pasteurised/boiled - opposite effect and I had to drink more than half a litre every day. Raw is a miracle.

[@adams481]

Congratulations

[@annaferdowsian11]

I was vegetarian for 20 years with lots of vegan years sprinkled throughout. The main difference being as a vegetarian.I ate eggs and consumed dairy products. I could never stay a strict vegan because I became very sickly every time. My personal motivation was the horrid ethical practices of factory farming and big ag. Then i developed severe anemia and had to change my entire lifestyle. I'm grateful to have had the guidance of this channel. These days I have ditched the dairy and still enjoy loads of veggies of all kinds and I've slowly healed my anemia, thanks to healthy grass fed beef and other more ethically sourced red meats. Thank you for this channel and all that you do to help others 🙏 ❤!!!

[@GramaSagefeather]

Me too

[@katefish3754]

I hope you at least buy free range otherwise you were a phony vegan

[@gundelpalacsinta2604]

Again, sorry for being nosy, dairy is great as long as it is raw. Raw milk is a superfood with healing effect, the problem is that what you get in the shop is processed, heated till the level that even the cream is not cream anymore. True kefir is also a very good stuff. There was a time I lived on only kefir for a months (ulcer problem), my lab never was as good as after that, everything was normal, never before. And it cured the ulcer.

[@STrouwborst]

Spot on! There's enough conflict in the world. I can only but totally agree with this. Let's start by being kind to one another and then join together in our effort to be better and healthier human beings.

[@nancychandler768]

Honestly, I rarely, if ever, see any comments from carnivores directed at vegans. I do however, see lots of trolls on carnivore chats. I don’t know any carnivore that gives a shit what vegans eat. Eat meat. Eat whole food. 🥩

[@KenDBerryMD]

I see the same thing, but I'm not sure if that's reality or what the algorithm serves me...

[@Papagiorgio153]

Veganism does something to the hardwiring in your brain, some sort of chemical imbalance that causes them to actively search for, and engage in conflict with others. It makes them insufferable ragemongers lol

[@nancychandler768]

@@KenDBerryMD your take on this topic is spot on.

[@BrickMudge]

Let them keep eating plants! There's not enough beef to go around! LOL!

[@rayzztera.3171]

​@BrickMudge as long as they don't start eating grass, that's for our cows!

[@theresaharding7375]

I very much appreciate the calls to action: no more vegan vs carnivore "warring" words, and work together to destabilize the corporatization of food and hopefully a return to regenerative farming for whomever is being fed, and whatever is being grown. Thank you for putting yourself in the crosshair of this discourse, because you are widely respected, and what you say has gravitas in many spheres of influence.

[@tarabooartarmy3654]

I’m not a vegan but I do eat mostly plant based. I tried keto and carnivore and felt sick the whole time. I’m not against either lifestyle for people who do well on it, I just personally felt horrible even though I lost over 100 pounds. I have zero hate toward the keto/carnivore community and I absolutely agree that big food and ultraprocessed junk are the common enemies. And seed oils! Whether you’re eating carnivore, vegan, or anywhere in between, eating primarily whole food is the way to go. I feel very, very good on my current way of eating and my health has improved drastically. I think it’s wonderful that there are multiple ways people can improve their health and feel better while still eating a diet they enjoy. I think it’s beautiful for all of us to get along and try to help one another with kindness and understanding.

[@lesliehunter1340]

Well said!!! Thanks for the balanced reply!!

[@miklimecat9636]

🤔 I wonder if the not feeling good was due to the transition period when the body is switching from being carb-fueled to being fat-fueled. Dr. Phinney and Volek's study indicated it took an average of 3 weeks to adjust to a keto diet. And an additional 3 months or so for the body to become fat-adapted enough for exercise performance to return to normal.

[@theyareherewithus2944]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@lesliehunter1340Beware of what you think is balanced. That is the very strategy propaganda artists use to get their opponents to weaken their own boundaries and move the line. Think one way or the other but don’t walk down the middle of the road. It is not vital to “love” everybody in order to live peacefully with those that you don’t agree with.

[@OldesouthFarm]

Probably experiencing oxalate dumping. That can explain the not feeling well.

[@angelnoyy]

Amen

[@ShamsTheProducer]

I absolutely love this! I did a vegan diet on 2 separate occasions in my life, each duration was about 2 years. I didn't feel healthier or noticed any major difference with my health. I am now 48 years old and started my carnivore journey about 45 days ago. I am still getting used to it, loving it though. I appreciate this video because it makes sense to highlight the things that Carnivores and Vegans agree on, as opposed to constantly debating and arguing about what way of eating is better. Both sides are advocating for the ultimate goal, which is to cure or reverse obesity and the diseases that often develop as a result. I believe we all (mostly) can agree that 'Big Food' and 'Big Pharma' would prefer to keep people sick and medicated for 'Big Profits".

[@stephenford5031]

Congratulations! Ken and Neisha, I greatly respect how you are trying to merge our partners with the Whole Foods concept. Many thanks for sending out the olive branch to Anyone who would like to improve their health, Hazza!

[@kimhetelle9524]

I love that you are reaching out & noticing the more similarities than differences...this is how mature & emotionally mature people have healthy conversations & sometimes just respectfully agree to disagree! I think we need to get back to more of this and less social media bashing behind a hidden keyboard! Way to go Dr B...my husband and I are new 6 weeks to Carnivore and loving the results so far! Maybe RFK willput you on his team!!! Youd be a phenomenal resource ❤

[@JeanneBergeron-c5n]

It's always good to reach across the aisle

[@BeefNEggs057]

Not when the other side is holding a knife. Bad idea. They want you gone lady. It’s sad so many are ignorant of the vegan cult’s real depopulation agenda.

[@CarnivoreDietDr]

The story you shared at 5:50 really made me think 🤔. You’ve shown that instead of arguing, both sides can learn from each other. This video is so inspiring, thank you! 🙌

[@paulhailey2537]

I was a 455 pound Vegetarian and now I'm a 200 pound CARNIVORE

[@AnonymousPerson488]

Wow! Vegetarian but processed chips, pasta, bread I assume?

[@Pvt-Lenny]

@@AnonymousPerson488 yea im on carnivore but this claim he makes about 455 on vegan is sus 🤣

[@paulhailey2537]

@AnonymousPerson488 Whole Grains and Fruit just like my Doctor Told me. Was always Starving to Death ☠️ following the Doctor's Advice

[@leeuniverse]

@@Pvt-Lenny .... Actually, it's NOT "sus".... Why? Because especially if you're eating a lot of "Whole Grains", in the form of Rice, Noodles, or Breads you can gain a LOT of weight. Vegan's can really go either way, either skinny or overweight.

[@martakaczmarek6886]

​@@paulhailey2537 If we are not nourished to the fullest by macro and micro nutrients, brain keeps continue sending "eating" demand and we turn into eating machines, even catching sweets to kill this hunger. I have 171 cm 65 kg, I actually gained 5-6 kg including a lot of visible muscle. The best is this lack of hunger. In summer I had to take a flight, I ate big plate of meat, eggs and avocado in the morning and ate again after 10 hours, with no hunger. It is beatiful.

[@debbieclark813]

Agree with Dr. Berry let’s work together to get rid of the harmful foods like sugar, ultra processed foods & seed oils!! The rest can be debated respectfully

[@gundelpalacsinta2604]

All of the type of sugar is harmful? Fructose? Honey? Raw cane sugar? They are not processed food. I am not asking are they allowed during a carnivore diet but asking that is there any difference between the processed sugar and these?

[@gigisc6844]

Vegan for 16 years. I feel great to have an abundance of energy, and I follow your channel. Vegan works for me, and carnivore diet works great for my husband. Thank you for your videos. it is very informative and helpful 👍

[@eleanorvanderhoest3956]

Great to hear from someone on here who is well on another diet. Just demonstrates my point that we are not all the same.

[@marlie3386]

23 years for me. healthy at 67 my husband is not vegan and i cook all his favourite meals and i wish people would stop fighting over what someone else eats.

[@LyneGuy]

That was a great review of common points. In the same line as improving how animals are treated, we should also consider how monocultures and agriculture is not necessarily the best for our planet and for our food source, which is very depleted.

[@colleenhaithcock216]

❤❤❤❤ thank you, I grew up in Michigan, where much of the Cereal industry is located. And as a result of the need for boxes, the box factories have polluted the river, rivers, and then onto the Lake Michigan. How we transform the economy of that state for both health and environment is really important

[@Nu_Merick]

i got to hang out with one good friend of mine from high school. we only hung out with other friends but we got to hang out 1 on 1. i knew he was vegan for years and i was keto since 2018, but we have other things in common, gaming, exercise, etc. Yea i found it to be surprisingly civil talking between both diets. he understands ketosis and utilizes it on fasting as do i. We get out macros differently but asked how he gets his fats and gets them from olive oil, avocados, etc. We talk about vitamins and proteins and also agree that ELIMINATING PROCESSED foods was the HUGE common ground. its crazy how online, these debates turn into hateful arguements but we are both open minded about it. i tried vegan brownies at his place and it was real good, and he tried zevia i brought over. he does take a bit more vitamins than i do but TBH i told him, our goals are the same, we just get there sort of differently. it was a revelation. and its funny you posted this bc this conversation happened last month lol

[@Fosterw2]

Thanks for all you do Dr KDB - GREAT SHIRT !!!! Most def, we gotta team up to get our country / children healthy and thinking clearly again for sure

[@lynnhilding3200]

I love this approach. I was introduced to PhD by a lady who came to my sale over 2 years ago. I am 74 and have healed from ibs, pre-diabetic labs, neuropathy and have been tumor free after lung and brain melanoma tumors removed over a year ago. Thank you and keep up the open communication. ❤

[@GramaSagefeather]

We all need to stop fighting about everything. Humans have been divided by every conceivable subject. Thank you for reaching out. Another thing that connects both camps, is soil health, pesticide, herbicide use, and air pollution. All these toxins go into our food supply, and decrease wildlife, and native plant health. RFK Jr. now has a podcast on KZbin. He is talking to food producers, and addressing/exposing information so that the public can understand how our food supply has been co opted by big gov/industry.

[@krisjost988]

Thank you Dr Berry for your attempt at some reconciliation between the Carnivore & Vegan camps. I was raised in a vegetarian home and have some Vegan family members (7th day Adventist). I’m mostly Carnivore to heal from a diet that did not provide full metabolic health and resulted in CVD and pre-diabetes 2. Vegans tend to be militant about it and your kind attempt to offer an olive branch speaks to your integrity and humanity!

[@peacewithHim]

My opinion only. There is true middle ground here that, if taken by both preferred eating styles, will benefit all in the fight for healthier humans. Large companies promoting highly processed items that, for the most part, are not even food at all and the pharmaceutical companies making a huge profit off the unwell coupled with insurance companies making bank off illnesses caused by all that are the real enemies of health. Both preferred eating styles need to stand together against them.

[@DarthCarnivore]

It was great finally being able to shake your hand and thank you in person at KPL recently Dr. Berry! If someone is able to be healthy or even thrive on vegan diets, it doesn't invalidate my lived experiences or successes on carnivore but I think among many self-proclaimed ethical vegans, our collective N=1 successes on carnivore seems to invalidate significant parts of their worldview and identities. It can be hard to bridge the gap in perspectives between those who came to carnivore for individual health reasons and vegans who came to that way of eating for all-encompassing moral worldview reasons. But not impossible. I think you set a good example of how to bridge divides like vegan vs. carnivore. Keep up the great work!

[@briantrout7051]

Meaningful conversations are difficult when people have no interest in learning, only arguing. I know what it feels like to be a vegan and falling apart despite eating like all of those vegan doctors tell us to. So far, heavy meat based low-carb (have never made it to full on carnivore) has not been like that for me, and I've been at this for most of a decade now. Brief times of high carbs have told me that I would not do well (or feel well) to return to old eating habits, even with "good whole foods". For those who have decided to be vegans, I wish them well, sincerely. But they won't convince me that I'd do well as a vegan because I've been there, I wasn't well.

[@ironrose888]

I was vegetarian and very unhealthy. My blood sugar levels were jumping up and down all over the place. My doctor called it T2D and said I had to go on insulin and metaformin and I refused. During the pandemic, another doctor recommended keto and I threw a fit! I started praying for guidance and watching YT videos about keto. I found out that I’m not getting enough protein and was still eating more carbs than I could handle. I have lost 25 pounds so far and hit a stall during the holidays. I’m back on the program but now with more protein. I feel so much better eating meat and my arthritis pain has disappeared. I’m ecstatic! Prayers answered!

[@dannyking7695]

I would like to see a discussion of the inactive ingredients in over the counter medication, especially the liquid medications. It’s very alarming what’s in them!

[@Sabgoed]

Dr. Berry, I don't think I have thanked you for all the information you have put out there for us. I have been following you and your info for more than 3 years. I am doing the low carb and have went from 220 to 165. I had so much wrong with this body, but I am healing it now. Slow and steady is how I am healing. So once again Thank you.

[@shimmerofadiamond]

Focusing on why we are all similar instead of how we are different will always lead to positive outcomes! Great video!

[@MHines]

Well said. I have friends that are vegan, and to tell you the truth, it's hard not to express how well me and my husband feel, not to mention reversing my husband's diabetes, and high blood pressure. I do try to talk about the commonalities as you did but I can't help but think about all of the carbs she is eating in an attempt to meet her protein needs. But she's happy and she feels healthy so I try to just leave the "lifestyle" out of it. I can imagine as a Doctor this is a challenge since you meet so many people from different walks of life. Thanks!

[@th5579]

It’s also important to get our soil, using cattle, etc, healthy again!

[@marlomullane7157]

I am very glad you addressed this as there is so much controversy out there causing a lot of confusion for many people'. Thank you for all of your good advice.

[@scottpierce9195]

I've always thought you approached this debate the right way. I am a beef bacon butter and eggs guy myself but I agree that at least the vegans get it, it's the food that's killing us.

[@derkvandertuin6058]

You did absoluutly the right thing to promote a truce between both ways of eating. I am carnivore and came from a whole food plant based diet, but after changing to carnivore have not felt better then ever before. Yes, indeed, as you mentioned. when I became WFPB, for a while I felt better, but after a few year did not feel right. That's the time when I found Carnivore by watching Mikhaila Peterson and your video's and chaganged to Carnivore in January this year, and have lost 20 lbs have energy galore and never felt better. Thank you Dr Berry.

[@sharvo6]

Reaching across the aisle to open minds to common principles and common good ... not very fashionable in many spheres at the moment ... best of luck! Maybe you'll start a trend 👍

[@Soulstice1319]

I was just thinking of this a few days back, all of the points you mentioned. I deeply appreciate how you have handled both sides respectfully, factually, and truthfully. I absolutely think we humans most of us, are tired of these big fight and online debates across politics, culture wars, and food diets too. As a ketovore I would love to see more content like this. Hats off to you Dr Barry for doing such a fab job on this topic

[@tamilynn17]

Great video Dr Berry, thank you!💜

[@0e32]

I know quite a few people here in Sweden who are either vegetarians or vegans and unfortunately many of them seem to be feeling pretty bad both mentally and physically. But people can eat what they want as far as I'm concerned..!

[@fragout45mightyjungle63]

I'm ketovore right now and feeling great, so totally agree with you. By the way I love that shirt.

[@eleanorvanderhoest3956]

Dear Dr Ken, thank you for this valuable video. I completely agree we have been pushed into polarity about many things, thanks for pointing to the common ground. My partner and i have eaten vegetarian about 35 years and it suits us. We love our food and have no chronic illnesses. I came onto your channel from investigating statins and am grateful for your honest informative videos, along with many other brave ones going against the medical grain. It's a relevation to know the benefits of a meat-only diet from you and your supporters, though I can't imagine eating meat sgain. I think the key point is that we are not all the same and different diets suit or don't suit an individual. We should tune in to our body and notice what is doing it good or not. Another point for your common ground. The majority put 'food' in their mouths just for pleasure or from habit, hence are susceptible to advertising and propaganda. While your followers report never feeling so healthy as since eating carnivore, elsewhere there are surely as many stories in favour of vegetarian or vegan. The way we think is mega powerful too! One of my concerns with eating meat is animal welfare, treating animals like factory products, routinely spoiling them with medications, highly processed meat products with dishonest labelling, revealed by occasional health scares. For the time being, I'll stay with my diet but thank you for opening my mind to this whole area. Peace and health to all Eleanor in Southampton, England

[@kenmarinc]

Thank you for your content and commitment 🙏🏿

[@Reilly-jr1sq]

Dr. Berry, I think that if more vegans who are not eating meat because they don't want to kill an animal knew about all the death involved in agriculture's methods for growing plants, AND if they knew about the advantages to the earth, the animals, and the humans with regenerative farming, many heads would be turned. How about a shortened version of your interview with Lierre Keith, for example? Vegans/vegetarians would greatly benefit from this information! thanks for considering this.

[@johntbehan5731]

This is a very good start and help stop the guilt tripping so many and come together on regenerative farming and getting nutrients back into the soil and much more on how animals are raised and how there lives are ended for food i have been on both side,s of this and put me and many people off....thank you

[@GramaSagefeather]

Exactly ❤

[@robertguirguisdo9728]

I have been carnivore for 1 year and I thank you for your guidance. I have started to incorporate into my interventional pain practice as pain is inflammatory for many chronic conditions. Thank you doctor

[@rhondae8222]

Thank you, Dr. Berry.

[@ASLReviews]

I think it’s great that you’re trying to find commonality with the vegan community! I’m just starting a carnivore journey for autoimmune issues and I’ve long been frustrated with feeling like we are being slowly poisoned with our food sourcing. I think the more people that can come together and shed light on the dangers of processed, sugary foods, the more people that can put pressure on the food industries and medical communities etc, the more chance we have of creating real change!

[@jimrutherford2773]

Remember folks, this vegan vs carnivore goes beyond people thinking one diet is better health wise than the other. It involves animal rights, politics, environment. Vegans look at it as blue against red.

[@rollinupeverest5042]

Right their angles are the bs

[@alstraker]

I've always been blue and have been carnivore for 5yrs. It's a shame politics get mixed up in it because all humans deserve real, whole food without political partisanship.

[@everybodylovesraymond1275]

I bleed red...... enough said. (Mic drop.....)

[@sherrykinkade7134]

Dr Berry I just love you! I am 73 and have followed you for a long time. 99 percent Carnivore, whole host of benefits including 50 pound weight loss! I wish all doctors were like you. Thank you for making this video. I agree we all need to work together. ❤

[@lezliesecundaGLP-RD]

We stopped properly evolving as a species. Reach across. I put in 8 years of dietetic study having to go backwards in those areas to look up how my studies were done. I will be the best RD. God bless you and your beautiful wife.

[@ernesthader1109]

I believe we're actually regressing phyaically aince the start of agriculture revolution. We had bigger brain, leaner, perfect sets of teeth and has practically no metabolic disease back then.

[@richardclark8656]

Nice work! Thank you so much for this video. Proud of you!! We need voices of people who honestly care about the health and well being of our country (not to mention the rest of the world). You’re talking not only about what’s wrong with our health picture but about the numerous positive steps we can take and how we can come together to make it happen more efficiently. I know you raise your own livestock and care deeply about animal welfare. Thanks for talking about that, there’s a positive future for many young people in that field. Overall a very positive contribution to the health of all of us!

[@_Solaris]

This will be difficult. Carnivores in general eat what they consider species-appropriately as a principle. Vegans in general eat what they consider morally & ideologically as a principle. The one thing we have in common is our belief that we're eating for health. Despite this, I'm not convinced this will be enough to bring us together.

[@Reilly-jr1sq]

GREAT idea for a video (reaching across the aisle of approaches), well said dr. Berry, thank you!

[@wtk6069]

Logically speaking, why should carnivores and vegans ever fight? We'll never be in competition for the same food supply. Being no threat to one another should make us natural allies.

[@DebraLynn-cr8ch]

Thank you, Dr Berry, for being compassionate and welcoming to vegans, and refusing to mock them, as many do. I think you are so right that there is often common ground and ultimately, taking the high road when it comes to vegans will win more people over.

[@alfredkeith1272]

I think the most important thing is to actually think about what you put in your body

[@tsafico86]

Thanks for this video. Finally a sane voice that brings balance to the dialogue, instead of the childish fights and accusations and slime that go around on the net regarding proper nutrition It's time to stop turning nutrition into a cult, no matter if it's vegan or carnivore, and give people the right to eat what they want and what makes them healthy

[@GeezyCarnivore]

The biggest difference between us and them is that we as carnivores suggest that our way of eating is beneficial and possibly the best way to eat where as they insist that we all conform to their dogma.

[@rhondae8222]

Exactly! TBH

[@OP-lk4tw]

because the difference is they are approaching diet from a moral pov, we from a nutritional one, that's where the dissonance happens

[@julienfroidevaux1143]

​@@OP-lk4twVegans have health outcomes data like Dean Ornish heart study shows Carnivores have anecdotes .

[@adelarsen9776]

Vegans mortgage their health for an ideology. Carnivores eat for health. It only takes 2 minutes for a vegan to go from food to man made climate change and show their Marxist traits.

[@angelnoyy]

@@OP-lk4twnot all vegans are vegans to save the animals

[@angelnoyy]

For the first time in my whole life since I started having periods in middle school (I’m 28 years old) I am on my period and have not taken a single pain pill for day time or sleep time. I am still cramping. It’s still painful. But it is bearable and not debilitating. I haven’t done a SINGLE thing to manage the pain. No hot bath. No heating pad or warm bottles of water. No massages. NADA. Not even a cup of hot tea. I was 2 weeks into carnivore, went down to ketovore because cold Turkey off carbs and sugars is so hard, then cheated the past about 5 days and went full blown back into carbs and sugars and fried fast food probably cooked in seed oils and regular butter. And STILL my period didn’t kill me. Went right back carnivore yesterday because I’m so tired but so amazed at this change. Also my hair grew an inch like two weeks in overnight 😂 and I noticed a slight increase in energy from my chronic fatigue I’ve been living with from my enlarged fibroids. I’m so excited to continue this journey of healing. I’m thinking paleo might be more beneficial for me after 90 days of carnivore minimum but for now I am committed

[@TOMGARVEYtheKETOCOOK]

It`s apparent that someone is fueling the feud between both sides to fight! Big Food I believe. The processing of both meat and veggies is the problem with contracting some sort of E-coli, salmonella and so on! I remember the days when we would eat from the seasons! Bring back the family cattle ranch, and family vegetable farms.

[@Grannievore]

Fantastic video, Dr. Berry. I love that you are right on target all the time you’ve done so much for people thank you so much.

[@tlewis5901]

Dr. Ken D. Berry I think this is great that you propose to "reach across dividing lines" to vegans. I must state that the first time I heard and came to a conclusion of N=1 was from your lovely wife Neisha; it really hit home for me. If YOUR CHOICE of diet for YOU is working, then that is the bottom line, BUT do not force your 'success' on others work together on the greater good for the situation; which is stopping mistreatment of animals in industry, mistreatment of humans in 'big food' AND accomplishing the Make America HEALTHY Again movement. Without good health we are dead ......... thanks to all the good 'Docs' who treat the person and not the pocket.

[@michaeldillon3113]

If there is one person that I would like to see Dr Berry discuss with is Frances Moore Lappe . She wrote a book back in the 60's/70's called ' Diet for a small Planet ' . She meant well in writing it but I think it is one of the most destructive books ever written . Most of the arguments for veganism/ vegetarianism came from that book . I myself was influenced by it for 40 years till wholegrains nearly killed me . I often hear modern vegan advocates who use statistics and ' facts ' taken from that , nearly 50 year old book . It's time that that book is properly critiqued.

[@gundelpalacsinta2604]

Even the title is destructive, even if you believe you live on an 1000 miles per hour spinning ball which still keeps the water level while curving it around... just jump on a plane at night and watch the lack of lights minutes after minutes, there are hardly compared to the total darkness. This place is not so small, we are just can't own and most of us lives in a crowded city.

[@kathy32850]

Change does not happen overnight. It's cumulative which is why it takes years for vegans to see the damage that's been done. I'm 74 and it took 50 years before I saw the damage sugar, seed oils, etc., has done to my health. I'm not carnivore (maybe ketovore) and my doctor just said I am healthier than most women my age. I'll take that.

[@chetcohron4254]

That is correct! Keep your diet to yourself. It is no win win in explaining your diet plan even if it has been great for your health! I am staying my Carnivore Diet. I have been on this diet for 2 years and I am 79, lost 137 lbs, and feel great…not taking but one drug, for my Thyroid. Other than that I am drug free. So some people are open to new things & some aren’t. I can live with that! .

[@veronicaheaney3464]

“Reaching across the aisle” is a fantastic idea. While I find the idea of the genetic diet ludicrous and extreme, I think that what each individual needs in terms of nutrition is individual and at least partially the result of our ancestry. Basically (my belief here), we developed in a specific way so our bodies could take full advantage of the food that was available. However, we are all human, and to meet the needs of the human body, we need specific nutrients. How much and how we get them will differ - that’s the individual part. We need to keep this in mind and not be judgmental. IF a person complains of a health issue which we believe could be relieved by a change in diet, AND IF they ask what we would do, THEN Offer your opinion, kindly. Otherwise, keep your opinion to yourself.

[@luislarriu3381]

I’m mostly changing from a ketovore diet to a more carnivore diet and I’m feeling great after losing about 49lbs, reversing so many of my conditions, one of them being onset dementia. I have had good support from my medical care. I truly hope that Senator RF Kennedy has success in steering our tax paid dollars to protecting our nutrition in the food industry by incentivizing them to ban bad ingredients in our foods as many other countries have done as many experts have testified in the September 23 3024 Health Crisis Roundtable in DC took place. Which everyone should listen to if they have not yet, on KZbin. Thanks for giving us your knowledge and information that has helped me in my health journey.

[@bluedove7876]

I appreciate you pointing out things we have in common in this extremely divisive environment today. I do talk about my Proper Human Diet. I don't mind that people consider it weird. They see me refuse the pizza, the cookies, and the candy over and over again. They see that I never cave and say 'just this once'. When people seem interested in my commitment or in some of the benefits I've experienced, but say "I just couldn't do that." I don't argue or proselytize. I say, "More whole foods, less sugar."

[@feminineandfreeinforties]

Great video!! I love how your heart was so open while discussing both the options!! Learning loads!!

[@joeyg2860]

Safe to assume Dr. Berry supports RFK JR’s efforts to reform FDA,etc…

[@loriematthews6418]

I certainly do! Never seen so many chemicals! It's absolutely egregious.

[@michaeldillon3113]

My biggest worry about this is that vegans seem to have won the battle that eating meat has a bigger negative effect on the environment than vegan or vegetarian diets . This just seems to be taken as Truth in Europe. In some parts of Europe they are now taxing farmers extra for raising meat . I was a vegetarian/ vegan for nearly 40 years and just about avoided death by finding low carb / IF . However I don't believe that industrialised agriculture is better for the environment than pasture raised animals . Nearly every media commentator in the UK just says ' eat less meat to save the planet ' . 😨 Now we have this really annoying bloke in the UK named Dale Vincent. I would love to see Dr Berry have a chat with Dale . Dale is very rich and has been donating to political parties in the UK that push the orthodoxy that meat is bad for the environment and human health . In this last few days he has been pushing to get bacon to be treated as cigarettes have been treated in the last 20 years . Bacon should be labelled with pictures of the terrible diseases that it apparently causes . He has some vested interest in all this because he is invested in renewable energies and wants the government to give him as much subsidy as possible to enrich him more . I don't think you can have a discussion with someone like Dale because they are so rigid thinking that it's like a religion for them . The fact if the matter is that in the MSM it is the vegetarian/ vegans that have won the PR argument. It's very painful to me that kids will be deterred from eating eggs and bacon and end up eating the miracle food porridge . Of course when I say kids I really mean poor kids whose health is already terrible in England . Dental extractions ( including whole mouth ) is now the main cause of child admission for surgery into hospital in the UK . I listened to a programme about this the other day and the depressing thing was that it was all about teeth. There was no discussion about the underlying health of those kids . Surely those kids with rotted teeth must be well on the way to insulin resistance. .

[@billmellen]

Did the whole food plant based diet for 5 years. It was an effort to stay on it. Came back from a bicycle vacation in Italy and had a TIA. Went off the wagon, gained weight and BP went up along with other metabolic syndrome symptoms. Now on a near carnivore diet with weight loss and improved BP. The very low carb carnivore diet is easier for me and leaves no cravings.

[@CharlotteMagdeliene]

This is the most Pluto moved into Aquarius video ever - posted on the day Pluto moves into aqaurius lol love it Uniting that’s the future !!

[@janeholsclaw4232]

Thanh you so much for making this extremely important and I hope helpful video. I agree, there are many things that we agree on and we need to focus on those things and stop being nasty and mean to one another. We are all willing to sacrifice eating unhealthy processed foods so we can be as healthy as possible. We just don’t happen to agree on what those foods happen to be. Love you Dr. Berry and Neisha and so appreciate everything you do. My husband and I both feel that you have saved our lives.

[@steveguti6452]

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[@bobbylee2853]

Over 1000 subscribers with 0 content. 😅

[@deborrahdutra5599]

Praying

[@nancychandler768]

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[@nancychandler768]

@@bobbylee2853 odd post

[@User-z1g3z]

@Steveguti64We thank God for both their lives and expedient recovery unto excellent health in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth 🙏❣️👩‍🍼🌻

[@camperjack2620]

Well said! I believe the whole food consisting of nutrient dense items and cutting out junk food and cutting out or down on sweets to the bare minimum would solve 90 percent of our problems. Then we need to fine tune our understanding of how to reap benefits from fruits and vegetables nuts and seeds without being adversely affected by antinutrients. I have tried a bunch of health food diets in the past and nothing has even come close to the success of low carb, keto and carnivore. I cheat on my carnivore with onions and carrots and mushrooms on my eggs. I have sweet potato at dinner. I add a pint of ice cream to my shopping cart, but I am going to try to quit that this winter. I watched a Barbara O'Neal segemnt suggesting cayenne pepper. That will cure your cold hands and cold feet!

[@justthinking526]

Amen! Eat real food. Bless it to your body, be grateful for it. Stay away from judgement of others. We will all be healthier all around

[@ianstuart5660]

That Judgemental part seems to be impossible to stop for way too many people! 😢😢

[@justthinking526]

@ianstuart5660 i know. All i can do is take my own advice and be the change. Bless.

[@ianstuart5660]

@@justthinking526 Thanks, same to you!...❤️

[@kellyklassen5970]

Thank you Dr Berry, your heart for people is amazing! We tend to look at outward appearances when we really need to look at the heart. If we did that we would gain unity in our diversity

[@soupnazi5139]

The issue is that a vocal minority of vegans view animal rights violations as a modern day holocaust and thus do not really care about the accuracy of their nutrition claims (as long as they prevent some animal deaths).

[@BeefNEggs057]

They’d certainly save the animal over you if given a choice. No question.

[@w1975b]

@@BeefNEggs057 some of them even put animal lives above their own kids' health. And a few have gone to prison because those kids are no longer living as a result of forced veganism.

[@alanraza2570]

Plants are living beings with consciousness as well. To say it's okay to eat plants but not animals actually doesn't make sense. It's vampire either way, consuming other life forms to sustain one's self, which actually isn't natural but that's how it works here.

[@w1975b]

@@alanraza2570 David Icke speaks of a schism that occurred which resulted in animals needing to consume other life. May have happened, may not, just sharing one of the things I heard him say that is related to this subject.

[@adelarsen9776]

@@BeefNEggs057 Yes. The vegans espouse animal liberation yet they often talk about being violent to humans. They are twisted deluded disciples of a death cult whom mortgage their health for an ideology.

[@lorenarmenti6295]

Vegetarian here . . . for ethical reasons. I'm not one of those ppl who preaches that everyone should give up meat (although, that would be utopian). I DO believe that a carnivore diet is species appropriate. I wish I could eat meat, fish, etc. without the thought of it making me nauseous. Abstaining from meat definitely makes it challenging to maintain optimal health relative to nutrients, protein, etc.. Thank you for all you do to educate.

[@Dreamgirlhav]

I’m a former vegan and now ketovore/carnivore. I think it should be ok to talk about our experiences without saying that we “did veganism wrong.”

[@DoeA-Deer]

Back again Dr Berry. Thanks for your really excellent book. Greatly Appreciated. X

[@judymartius7779]

I just eat whole none processed foods

[@0100-l3h]

Great job Dr. Ken.

[@jennifermarlow.]

The fact that most people think I'm around 50, instead of 66, and fit, causes people to ask me "how do you do it?" When I tell them I eat meat and zero veg/fruit, they are surprised. I quickly move on to discussing how evil factory farming is, and that meat eaters want to see family farms subsidized instead of corporations, and how this would help not only humans, but the planet. I encourage them to watch The Meatrix. Then, I ask how they feel about that, and I LISTEN. Sometimes, it's best to leave the conversation there. If they are open, we can discuss regenerative farming, the sacrifice of billions of animals for veganism, and et cetera. If not, I've at least planted a seed (no pun intended).

[@charlenepomicter5345]

One of your best videos...thanks, Dr. Berry....😊❤

[@Tmanaz480]

A prominent vegan leader wrote an article a while back reminding vegans that they're not doing it for their health; it's an ethical position. He freely admitted he gladly sacrifices optimum nutrition in order to respect animal rights.

[@w1975b]

Veganism started in the US as a religious view. Because "eating animals leads to sinful urges", per John Kellogg (yes, the cereal king).

[@williamrussell7635]

After almost 2 years carnivore thanks to you doctor Ken I have improved health in so many ways. Special thanks to the carnivore community on KZbin! Shortly after becoming a carnivore I developed an inguinal hernia. Very challenging situation that led me to a plant based person who has been trying to heal it through diet and exercise..I kept on with the carnivore diet and after 1 year and following some of their exercises my hernia is almost completely under control. Whereas the plant based person has gotten control but only after 3.5 to 4 years. Thanks everyone for listening. I hope this is helpful.

[@GS-st9ns]

🐷🐔 Eat more beef

[@wirelessone2986]

And sardines!