Vegans vs Meat Eaters | Middle Ground

[@jubilee]

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[@TH3GIRLSTORMENT]

no

[@alexbr550]

Can you do an episode of children raised by lgbt parents and children raised by the straights.

[@michellestella7477]

Friendly reminder: Jubilee picks "weird" people on purpose. This is supposed to be entertaining, even if they try to sell it as educational/thought-provoking.

[@SquashVision-od2xz]

The vegans for this one were actually amazing choices, especially the lady who's currently facing charges for undercover-investigating extreme animal cruelty (chickens being boiled alive). In a previous episodes we've had many "vegans" who didn't actually seem to have a strong stance against animal exploitation and speciesism, let alone experience with activism.

[@xavier32421]

PETA is was one of the worst organizations for animal rights

[@mikepictor]

Not one of these people came across as weird to me. It was actually a very productive, reasonable discussion.

[@michellestella7477]

​​@@mikepictorok, Mike. I think most people who watch jubilee videos on a regular basis understand that i meant people who are on extreme ends of the spectrum of whatever the topic is.

[@Ana1pp]

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[@aika1528]

I'd love to see a vegan vs vegetarian debate

[@user-ce9xe1qe8i]

That would be really interesting

[@MrConstancejames]

Me too. I think vegetarians are... interesting. They just ignore that their support of the dairy industry directly fuels the factory farming industry. And dont even get me started on the ones who eat gelatin and fish and call themselves vegetarian 🙄

[@CurtisV0llmar]

It would essentially be the same debate

[@katelynduerr]

wait yeah that would be cool. like also people with different reasons for being those thing, like people who just dont like meat, and people who are concerned about animals. just like more perspectives yknow

[@lindsaysyt]

@@MrConstancejamesas a vegetarian, we’re aware. The way I see it, I am doing the best that I can regarding my current living situation. I wish vegans would stop guilt shaming vegetarians when they’re just trying their best.

[@cybrfriends5089]

"animals are put on earth to be eaten by humans" is a cringe statement, even for a meat eater like me.

[@ThatTigr]

It’s an extremely common statement made towards vegans unfortunately

[@hermaeusmora424]

Yeah like wtf? This has such a crazy religious undertone to it.

[@Aokijji]

@@hermaeusmora424 so what? it's human dominion over animals, stemming from theology. Why are you allergic of anything remotely theological?

[@poece]

Seriously. I think I get where they were coming from but there are so many better ways to word that that dont have the religious connotations. I wonder if they used it simply because its often used against vegans by religious people. I have no issues with religious people but yall, religion is not an valid argument for doing anything. The bible saying animals were put here for us is not evidence that we are meant to eat animals. There is loads of actual scientific evidence that points to us being omnivores. Use that.

[@hermaeusmora424]

@@Aokijji Because not everyone holds to a particular theology and thus this question has no business being in a video that isn't about said theology. I bet if the question would have been "Xenu permits dominion of humans over animals", you would object too.

[@vincentdavis1399]

Only raw meat is kinda crazy

[@TheRobojay]

It definitely is at first. I now eat mostly raw. It's similar to a rare steak. It has a mild flavor on its own and it is so much easier on digestion. Higher on vitamins too.

[@Serevas]

​@TheRobojay how do you source your meat to that? I feel like I wouldn't trust anyone else handling my food at any point if I was going to do that just due to sheer risk of contamination.

[@Goblin-oz2xr]

Raw meat is are natural food, your brainwashed if you think it’s crazy

[@marina.rose.]

And mostly natural 😅

[@thedigitalescape]

all i can think about is how the sweat and waste smell like raw animals. super gross

[@3ampremiere782]

How are we comparing black people and slavery to eating meat? We fought for years to not be compared to animals...

[@GigglyardoYT]

You can compare anything to anything else that’s the point of a comparison

[@jhunt5578]

Comparisons are not equivications. Also... all humans are animals.

[@stephi6792]

@@jhunt5578it is utterly insane to have those two topics in the same conversation

[@jhunt5578]

@@stephi6792 If farmed animals aren't enslaved then what are they free? Are you saying animals can't be slaves, if not why not? Because the process is the same, they are owned, controlled, exploited, their lifespan decided by their owner. This is just a nominal game, where you're essentially saying animals are so low, they are not even worthy of being slaves.

[@stephi6792]

@ not falling for your bait nor your attempt to put words into my mouth. Farmed animals and humans are not the same inherently. You cannot compare the life of a black person to the life of a dog. It comes with so much privilege to talk and fight for farmed animals when you have homeless people dying in every street corner. The lowest point in the black, Jewish, irish etc. communities was being compared to subhuman animals, that is what these groups have fought so much against being compared or treated less than a domesticated cat. So to bring up slavery and compare that with farmed animals is insulting and ridiculous.

[@seanlennon9714]

they always find the most random people

[@Fogbound-q8n]

As a meat eater, the Vegans seemed normal. So far, I'm only 10 min in. Some of the meat eaters are kinda wild. They should have added a normal person in meat eater side.

[@Kerberos2]

The vegans were also a bit extreme. A very unrepresentative casting on both sides.

[@michellestella7477]

Friendly reminder: Jubilee picks "weird" people on purpose. This is supposed to be entertaining, even if they try to sell it as educational/thought-provoking.

[@goblinbros8451]

did you even watch the video

[@jeovanniperez3949]

@@Kerberos2 I’m vegan and they honestly could’ve picked somebody better than the guy who argued semantics about what privilege they should be talking when the topic was about groceries , I can easily debunk steak and butter gal’s claim to expensive groceries, I can meal prep for the week for under $20 if really wanted to budget it down

[@masonwoods8534]

“Put on the earth to be eaten by humans” - this prompt is ridiculous and the people who stepped forward didn’t even agree with it, sounds like some religious crap.

[@EverydayJOEFitness]

Agreed. That sounded like someone baiting a religious debate.

[@thomaschoate976]

First person didn’t address it. You could easily refute it by pointing out evolution and the fossil record showing hundreds of millions of years of animals prior to Homo sapiens. She was only interested in personal anecdotes about swinging from the vegan diet to the carnivore diet.

[@JOKER-bl4rd]

Humans can not live on plant-based protein; it's unhealthy and dangerous, and we don't have two stomachs to fully absorb all the nutrients of the vegan diet. We need a balanced diet and supplements to get all the Vitamins and Minerals from plants that our stomachs fail to digest.

[@Slim-Clips]

Veganism is a religion, except it’s an extremely silly one.

[@brooklynn4416]

It’s not a religion lol

[@geopoonaniluva4141]

Not having Erin here is a missed opportunity

[@SanskarWagley]

What happened to her lol

[@autumn3510]

“That’s not Vegan!” 😂

[@minoua]

Nooo, I don’t want her back

[@SquashVision-od2xz]

I was doubtful Erin was actually vegan in that last video, it was like she was chosen to be the worst stereotype of "vegans" while not actually showing any concern for actual animal rights issues. I cringed clicking this video thinking this would be a similar choice of "vegans", but pleasantly surprised that the vegans in this video actually do seem to have vegan morals.

[@whateverwhatever4026]

This suggestion isn't vegan.

[@keeganitreal]

Could you imagine Earthing Ed and Joey carbstrong for round 2

[@denarendall]

There is no direct correlation between veganism and amenorrhea. Clearly she was under eating, over exercising, or lacking something in her diet. All of which could also be true of a meat eater.

[@MrConstancejames]

I had amenorrhea as an omnivore! It wasnt until i went vegan that my period evened out!

[@KenzLovesMovies]

Yeah, I just get the sense she hopped from one extreme diet to the opposite end of extreme dieting

[@nacirema2710]

That woman is only Instagram biting into a whole stick of butter and drinking raw milk. I wonder how much money she's making advertising this "lifestyle." This influencer social media era is so toxic.

[@leilapotieva6671]

Exactly. You can be nutrient deficient on any diet if done incorrectly. Besides there are many other external factors that could impact your health negatively as the ones you've mentioned. Using your own personal experience as an example to disqualify a plantbased diet when the stats clearly point out people on a plantbased diet have an overall better health...like yea, you're wrong and dishonest.

[@AjayLi-s7m]

“Plants feel pain too” sent me.

[@SsbPrime]

They do…

[@unicornguy9676]

​@@SsbPrime source?

[@mikebrigandi_]

@@SsbPrime they do not, plants do not have neurons or nervous systems, nor nocicptors, nor brains. They have no capacity for pain, also even if plants felt pain going vegan is still morally better since vegans contribute to far less plant death than animal eaters (most crops are grown for animal feed)

[@ambatubelo]

@@mikebrigandi_ That's why as a meat eater i support vegans

[@michaelc6118]

@@mikebrigandi_ While they don't feel "pain" in the same sense as humans / animals do, it can be argued that they feel "pain" in their own way - being a different organism entirely. Plants don't have the same systems we do, but they have been proven to react to noxious stimuli. It's how some people argue some Fish don't "feel pain" because they lack some of the neural complexities that we have - but they still react to noxious stimuli. Plants *do* have reactions when they're "injured" so it's semantics to argue what level because you cannot seriously compare our concept of pain to another organisms.

[@dr.matthewnagra]

Hey Jubilee team. Lifting Vegan Logic and I would love to be on for the next round to support the vegan side.

[@writerchik44]

This would be epic !

[@Amb3rnirvana]

I’d love to see that.

[@mitchellscheer677]

I would enjoy seeing at least one MD/DO on each side of this debate to have evidence-based arguments on the nutritional aspect.

[@darcey55]

Absolutely! I know you guys have some better answers than we heard here

[@itsTKtrue]

Would love to see that!

[@LiftingVeganLogic]

Hello Jubilee team! Dr. Matthew Nagra and I would love to be on for part 2 🙂

[@gunesanacak9452]

and dr nagra too

[@iamhector8507]

Put him on🗣️

[@mkmobilbrutalbattles3264]

Sería maravilloso ver cómo los aplastas de la forma más lógica posible 🙌

[@hymenoptera_2692]

As well as Dr. Nagra and Earthling Ed

[@charlieistryinghisbest]

Yes!!!

[@SqueakyMcGee]

Bro coming out the gate with slavery immediately is wild work

[@paultorok6194]

I stopped the video. Instantly. Did not even let him finish his statement...

[@Antojiitosmentiiras]

Nah frrrr

[@Antojiitosmentiiras]

@@paultorok6194meee

[@DrusMomma]

Victim mentality! Im sure he’s a kamala voter

[@lens_of_fp9285]

Like brooo😂

[@pinkykaur6821]

Please bring Earthling ed on one of these!

[@FreeRadicals9478]

Jubilee isn’t honest enough to bring the best representation possible on their rage bait content.

[@SquashVision-od2xz]

Yessssssssssss. And Natalie Fulton, and Lifting Vegan Logic, and Debug Your Brain, etc. There are so many vegan activists who'd be AMAZING for these

[@cabralesmj5]

It would be over so fast

[@gracetyau5206]

Literally put him on an episode of Surrounded and it’s over

[@johnchesterfield9726]

That would NEVER happen. Jubilee capitalizes on monopolizing your attention. Bringing an intelligent person who is capable of arguing with nuance just won’t get the clicks sadly.

[@juanverduzco92]

5 n a half years in prison for saving chickens 🤯🤯🤯

[@raniaouabouch9013]

More like for trespassing on property and kidnapping chickens 🤣🤣

[@enmanniska5751]

yeah like wtf...?

[@jesuismanu]

@@raniaouabouch9013kidnapping chickens? 🤡 They were boiling them alive. If someone was boiling puppies alive would you also call it kidnapping if someone were to "trespass" onto their property to save them?

[@hanna-om1ho]

@@jesuismanu well first off they're chickens not dogs lol

[@jesuismanu]

@@hanna-om1ho a chicken not being a dog makes it moral to boil it alive? You also get a 🤡 emoji, what a joke

[@mikeyTversus]

Jubilee does a great job of making me hate all sides of an argument.

[@Yourhighnessnona]

I am not a vegan, but I can never justify not being a vegan. Every anti-vegan argument just isn't valid, and I always side with the vegan argument. I guess I am just a person without integrity who loves her cheese, fish and meat too much.

[@fittzie]

Why is plant eating ethical?

[@adawongz]

I would say same but I disagree and cross the line where vegans start criticising indigenous people for eating meat. If anyone is doing it ethically it is indigenous people and trying to enforce your beliefs on them is a form of neo-colonialism

[@Yourhighnessnona]

​@@fittzie Plants don't have a central nervous system because they never needed to develop one. It would be counter to evolution to develop pain in an organisms that can't run away from danger to secure their survival. Neither are they sentient. In that way plants don't suffer. So eating plants isn't ethical. It just isn't unethical.

[@AlzMarioWolfe]

That’s totally me honestly

[@EvaarArts]

lol I get you, but I also think humans suffer way more than animals because we are more intelligent and have way more responsibilities, losses, and struggles. So I can't possibly feel more bad for animals when humans suffer in unfathomable ways everyday. I also try not to care cuz having empathy where I live makes you an easy pray, so I'm working on my psychopathy 🤣

[@slikbill3996]

Also The word picnic originated from the French term “pique-nique”, which appeared in the 17th century. It was used to describe a social gathering where attendees contributed food or drink, often eaten informally. • “Pique” means “to pick” or “peck,” and “nique” is a playful or meaningless rhyme, suggesting something small or insignificant. Together, the phrase implies casually picking at food. • The term entered English in the late 18th century, retaining the idea of an outdoor meal or informal gathering. Over time, “picnic” came to specifically describe meals enjoyed outdoors, typically on blankets or at tables in scenic settings.

[@savannahsouthey1186]

Where’s the fact check on the screen for this lol

[@patrickgray2960]

Yes that is where the word is derived from but it was later used against black people in the America’s. The person who had made this statement was not fully correct when saying this but it is apart of its history make sure to include that when you are giving historical context of words.

[@mitchellscheer677]

@@patrickgray2960you do not need to historically contextualize every word you say. Words have meaning NOW. Use the proper word for NOW. You don’t need to describe how the word was previously used. That’s unnecessary and time draining

[@stephankoenig2176]

This is completely false. It was never used for that ​@@patrickgray2960

[@patrickgray2960]

@@mitchellscheer677 It’s really not that hard sis this dude had enough time to write about two paragraphs worth of information. If you try to correct someone they can give you the full correct information in about two to three sentences.

[@KoiWrez]

the saddest part is they didnt even understand what veganism meant yk? its not a diet, its so sad they think that it is.

[@Cameron-yo2jj]

bro said "i feel upset that you guys are eating my food's food" 😭

[@XpideRG]

I laughed for that one...

[@Julisa_Monique]

😂

[@phileincibus4545]

Lmao

[@Peoplecanfly1]

timeline? can't watch the full debate

[@giorgiorgiorgio]

Not gonna lie but the amount of times the carnivore girl mentioned the whole food anti processed diet makes me very suspicious of the way she was eating as a vegan

[@lindsywhiting3936]

Yea, getting a full nutritional load as vegan is not more difficult than carnivore, you just go about it differently. Eating packaged processed food will never get you there the way mindful selection of fresh food in tandem with processed foods will. Also, the "raw only carnivore" makes me laugh as someone who is learning to move away from meat; cooking is how we survive in any environment because it opens up nutrition that raw alone cannot in every case.

[@jacoblehrer4198]

she only ate oreos and wondered what was wrong

[@hpvamp246]

Probably ate a bunch of processed vegan meat as opposed to organic plant based lifestyle. Legumes, beans, chickpeas, etc are healthier than eating processed vegan foods. So many people criticize the vegan lifestyle but also don’t do the proper education beforehand to know the best way to navigate eating that way and then blame it on veganism. I only need to take a b12 vitamin, the rest of my lab results are great. It really isn’t that hard.

[@carnivorepolice5-0]

How about you go look up her videos and fond out

[@thepandoricaoffandomsbacku7349]

i wish people didn't spread misunderstanding about vegan diets: any diet, when misconstructed, can lead to health problems. I lost my period for a while when i became vegetarian, i had a lack of iron, but i focused on eating specific foods a little bit more frequently and it came back. Now i am vegan and i have my period and no issues whatsoever

[@ironman1458]

obviously but there are certain things you need to worry about with certain diets. being iron deficient is much more prevalent among people who don't eat meat than people who do. and people who eat meat have their own dietary considerations

[@afnanj]

ngl these takes are wild, they’re not even discussing the animals at this point

[@jarieubah468]

FRR the minute that one guy brought up slavery ik this video would be a shitshow.

[@Kerberos2]

Very disappointed in this video. The casting was very unrepresentative of most generic meat eaters. Most people are not hunters or buy in local butcher shops. The vegans focused mainly on animal rights and not on other benefits of veganism. Most of the prompts were not helping the discussion at all.

[@yourlilbrudder5766]

Veganism is not a diet but an ethical stance

[@coldbumby]

I was glad it was focused on ethics.

[@jhunt5578]

That's because Veganism is literally about animals. Most people wrongly attribute it to diet.

[@doornroosje4695]

I get that they dont talk about the food benefits of eating vegan. Because if you are vegan, you are because of moral reasons. If you eat plant based you probably eat this way because of health benefits, not because of some moral behind it. the health benefits of eating vegan are great but not the reason why they eat what they eat. So i think its normal that the vegans in this video talk about the moral point of veganism English is not my first language so excuse my gramar

[@streettrashgirl4017]

That's because veganism IS animal rights. It's an ethical stance against exploitation, not a diet.

[@Vunar360]

Put these vegans against regular people because these carnivores are also insane

[@koiyo303]

Why put 1 insane group against a normal group? 1 insane group vs another insane group is the only way it should be, otherwise it makes the insane group look bad. (Not insane but like, an extreme ideology)

[@antoniomolluramusic7778]

These vegans are insane

[@W19-m2e]

"Also" and those vegans have perfect common sense

[@vapari4017]

what did they even say that was insane?

[@Cameron-yo2jj]

i was lowkey rooting for the vegans but they were the ones sounding insane..

[@greensharpiemarker]

I eat meat, but the 2 girls on the meat side are insufferable and full of contradictions/cope

[@HigumaHoney]

expand.

[@AlzMarioWolfe]

They’re actually insane I totally agree. The fact they also think everyone should just be a CARNIVORE is mentally ill.

[@doornroosje4695]

⁠@@AlzMarioWolfeif every one would eat as a carnivore, we dont wouldnt have enough space for all the humans on Earth. We would need more earhts. I dont think they get that. And that not all humans want to eat meat or like the taste or sensation in there mouth of meat

[@AlzMarioWolfe]

@ They don’t seem to understand anything, she looks unwell

[@Eric-p4z]

Where is earthling, Ed lol he would of been perfect

[@MrConstancejames]

The meathead girl in the white was such an airhead in so many ways, but demonzing tofu and setain as food with "such long ingredient lists" is hilarious! Tofu: fermented beans. Seitan: wheat, broth, spices, olive oil, soy sauce or liquid aminos. Like. What? !

[@jhunt5578]

Plus meat has multiple compounds aka ingredients. Meat isn't on the periodic table if I recall 🤔

[@MrConstancejames]

And hormones! Literally injected with hormones!!

[@Sarah.Lewis-t4j]

'' Jubilee does a great job of making me hate all sides of an argument 😊

[@pearluti]

if the woman in white doesnt stop reminding us about how she was vegan for 6 years,,,, and the woman in red doesnt stop talking about honour and respect,,,,,

[@5MofMS]

She is an absolute baddie lol

[@HigumaHoney]

none of the vegans can say they were carnivores for 6 years so...

[@alisiademi]

Instead of listening to people talking about an issue without the victims present, watch footage of what the victims go through.

[@alisiademi]

The documentary Dominion is free on KZbin.

[@GigglyardoYT]

I’m subbed 2 u, what a coincidence seeing you here

[@HigumaHoney]

every national geo documentary of wildlife.

[@P.L.Marsden9241]

​​@@HigumaHoneyI didn't know National Geographic documented the personal lives of industry-farm animals.

[@jhunt5578]

​@@HigumaHoney Do you eat Zebra or something?

[@TheMiddleFinder]

7:30 picnic does not come from lynchings. Jubilee is pro at finding the most clown people to debate these topics I swear...

[@gabrielle.r1760]

Yeah, also what happened to fact checkers lol

[@ElsBels25]

@@gabrielle.r1760 the French word pique-nique is based on the verb piquer, which means 'pick', 'peck', or 'nab', and the rhyming addition nique, which means 'thing of little importance', 'bagatelle', 'trifle'.

[@mattg4518]

Yeah it's from French origins, pique nique

[@sashanoel8766]

Because that is the way the word picnic was used in the United States for decades, unfortunately. That is not where the word itself originated from but that is where the word was popularized in the United States.

[@TheMiddleFinder]

​@@sashanoel8766he explicitly said that's where the word comes from. There is a difference between how a word might have been used in the past and where the word comes from. It just takes one Google search.

[@julianescobarrossi2823]

Excusing being a bad pianist on food is new for me

[@Aiel-Necromancer]

If you browse Twitter they will name another culprit for bad food.

[@blueberrymuffinenthusiast]

I just saw the meat eating girls’ channel and almost threw up when she ate raw chicken 😭😭

[@plmolnwtr]

Should've gotten that one vegan police who hates sour patch kids with a passion, you know who I'm talking about

[@PNWLijahh]

Erin😂

[@EverydayJOEFitness]

This is a real thing? I love Sour Patch Kids! Of course they're not vegan but neither am I

[@palmer1290]

Taco Bell "that's not vegan 😒"

[@ratoso8430]

@@EverydayJOEFitness Its a reference to the vegan police from last episode like this

[@EverydayJOEFitness]

@@ratoso8430 thank you!

[@laurenelisej]

whips out ankle monitor for rescuing chickens “thank you, awesome work” Hahhahaha

[@arachnid33]

I recently came back to the vegan diet after a decade and watching these hot takes on both sides is wild. I can't finish this. Next time can we find average people please.

[@hazeldelpin7774]

Why is there not one regular dude who likes chicken nuggets or something

[@Manmangocrazy22]

the rethink protein shirt guy has one of the most smooth brains ever LOL

[@Dylan-cj7ku]

Lack of essential vitamins.

[@MrConstancejames]

It sucks because I used to adore him in my early vegan days. But then he came out as an antivaxxer and it was so over for me. His arguments aren't great.

[@efrainmendez2623]

because of veganism

[@williamshanks8959]

​@Dylan-cj7ku yet it helps him get gains.

[@Jayy1K.]

@@Dylan-cj7ku😂😂😂

[@aryannaburleson3952]

The comparison of black people to animals is crazy work

[@mikelindsey6407]

For anyone that thinks your pet wouldn't eat you, in regular day to day living they wouldn't. If you died in front of them and they couldn't get food... They WILL eat your body if they were hungry with no other food access.

[@jhunt5578]

Same goes for you dude. If you were starving and you only had your pets body, you'd eat them.

[@adawongz]

I have heard cases of dogs eating their owners even when they were alive 😭

[@afnanj]

Ginger with glasses doesn’t even value her life she literally said she doesn’t take treatment cuz they test it on animals and if her life depended on it she wouldn’t eat the animal if she was starving…

[@5MofMS]

Bro really found a way to incorporate race lol

[@CurtisV0llmar]

Sexism, speciesism, racism, etc are all very similar... its one group believing they are superior to another.

[@jspgm-l4m]

​​@@CurtisV0llmarand speciesism is correct, unless you want to say that there is no relevant distinction between a person and a bear 😂

[@jarieubah468]

@@CurtisV0llmaryes but theres literally no way someone can sit up there and start comparing slavery to this…

[@CurtisV0llmar]

@@jarieubah468 The comparison isn't necessary to make the point sure... but the animals ARE slaves by definition. Speciesism IS discrimination by definition. We have to do better as a society. It's our job to leave the planet better than we found it.

[@catmeatlover99]

The vegan animal rights advocates done an amazing job and it was refreshing to see actual activists for a change. The 2 carnivore ladies were cringe af tho. No one cares about your life story love, pls answer the prompt

[@besemerald99]

Middle Ground Idea: *Parents vs. Childfree* Is it selfish to not want kids? Can people without kids give parenting advice? Should people receive tax breaks for being parents?

[@keamogetsegrace7503]

It would be an amazing episode to watch.

[@arachnid33]

No one cares if you choose not to have kids. It's all in your head.

[@chriscomp420]

Bringing children into a decaying world is selfish af in my opinion but I understand the human civilization would also go extinct if we don’t procreate

[@kaleb3251]

@@chriscomp420how is it decaying?

[@frejaeh]

Come on... eating raw meat is soooo gross pls, so repulsing 🤢

[@HigumaHoney]

guess you don't like sashimi

[@frejaeh]

@HigumaHoney I wouldn't know but probably not

[@HigumaHoney]

@@frejaeh i can respect that.

[@Lucius_SS]

"The etymology of the word picnic does not suggest racist or racial overtones. Picnic was originally a 17th Century French word, picque-nique. Its meaning was similar to today's meaning: a social gathering where each attendee brings a share of the food." Dr. David Pilgrim Curator Jim Crow Museum January 2004

[@mr.microwave9134]

Yeah even if it was its not a very convincing argument. There are better arguments for Veganism, but this conversation didn't really present any of them.

[@teniciawilliams6087]

He didn't just compare black people to animals

[@yourlilbrudder5766]

You can think of it however you want, but all animals, including humans, have subjective experiences and can feel pain. There's no difference in that.

[@CurtisV0llmar]

@@yourlilbrudder5766 White people are animals too... homo sapiens are animals. Speciesism is the root form of hatred... its the first form we learn.

[@NuhaHabila]

@@yourlilbrudder5766Yess but dont ever compare slavery its not the same animals are diffrent

[@jhunt5578]

Comparisons are not equivications.

[@Roan.bot.]

The pig example is bad because the ONLY reason humans started raising animals was for resources. Also white lady asking the Asian lady if she would eat her dog is crazy Jubilee. 😂

[@erikgottschalk5463]

7:52, I'm tapping out. I can not deal with a person eats only raw meat and another that doesn't know where the word picnic comes from. Madness on both sides.

[@Lucius_SS]

I don't think a carnivore diet is a person who eats raw meat. Just someone who eats only meat to sustain themselves.

[@Jonathan-zr5rr]

For some people eating only meat is the only thing that works. If you look up Mikhaila Peterson's story she suffered from chronic fatigue and an auto immune disease. After trying many things she went to just beef or lamb and it completely went away. This is true for many people.

[@doughkey_dough]

Lol are you serious? I don't think the origin of the word picnic is common knowledge.

[@773x60]

@@doughkey_doughat all lol

[@773x60]

@ what’s wrong with that? It should never be forgotten. Are you saying people should get over it?

[@skydawson3147]

So happy to see Zoe on here! She’s such an eloquent and powerful speaker! She’s also just generally an amazing person, I was a part of an action alongside her. This is the first time i feel like vegans have been accurately represented on a jubilee video.

[@meyer3838]

Except for the vegans are better than humans part.

[@aquahollow]

Some humans prefer to eat humans rather than eating cats, dogs, and even fillet of beef. Ask Jeffrey.

[@blahblah-mh3nw]

Yeah but what about “live and let live.”

[@kateezzi]

28:56 This is too far. Prison up to 5 years for her saving chickens that get boiled alive. BOILED ALIVE. Boiling chickens is a crime and not saving them. What the heck.

[@basic_simp]

I eat meat but both sides really set me of... This was such a hard watch😣 Both girls on the meat sides literally talked in circles, this got awfully boring

[@milimakes]

The red dress girl is a complete villain

[@ramisakhan4399]

She's gorgeous

[@milimakes]

@ramisakhan4399 and scary

[@Lunzuri19]

"Plants feel pain." So do I.. every time you talk! 🤣🤣🤣

[@harunhussien8102]

and so do i everytime i see ur eyebrows

[@Queenmellowuwu]

@@harunhussien8102 why are you so mad

[@FreeRadicals9478]

@@harunhussien8102pure ego and insecurity lashing out! 🫵😂

[@Samosayummyyay]

@@Queenmellowuwu For someone named mellow, why are you so negative 🤣

[@Maddie-rv6sp]

omg is it the lanky vegan female??? i can't find her name but her voice irritates me to no end

[@jailenc6674]

“Should I not be able to get on a airplane since I can’t fly” Bro absolutely cooked.

[@silveryfeather208]

He was the only one making more sound claims. The raw meat lady was also wild.

[@jbanz919]

😂

[@IreneLue]

"humans are on top of the food chain" ok wonder what would happen if they put you alone in a room w a lion

[@fittzie]

I'm not sure that's how the food chain works. Removing a creature from it's environment invalidates your ability to determine it's placement in it's own food chain.

[@nebulousnight]

​@@fittzie yeah that's like saying "what would happen if you put a lion in the middle of the ocean with no land in sight" lol

[@jspgm-l4m]

the human who set up the scene would remain on top of the food chain

[@Ana1pp]

Litterally

[@rubencornelissen5753]

Why did this guy brought in slavery🤣

[@Ghost-pb4ts]

False dichotomy

[@Shrimpymarten]

I can never understand Women speaking for that animals are made to serve for humans. Like some people would say you’re just made to serve men but you still agree with this statement when it’s you doing it to someone else??? 😂

[@KoiWrez]

the first girl is so clear as day to me shes selfish and not just any kinda selfish but like egomaniacal. its insane she stayed vegan as long as she did

[@kiyohiko222]

The way she admitted she's wearing an ankle monitor & facing up to 5 years of imprisonment for "rescuing" chickens took me out 💀💀then he said thank you and I fell off my chair 28:55

[@ss_randy]

The "I'm not a human supremacist" comment took me out

[@jhunt5578]

Why?

[@matthewkwak99]

getting arrested 8 times is wild

[@Alanitoo]

I lost it at "raw meat" eater.

[@ethandollarhide7943]

As a 100% meat eater, the extreme hate that exists towards Vegans in today's world is extremely unnecessary.

[@AlzMarioWolfe]

Agree

[@robbielux8353]

Well tell them to stop preaching all the time and maybe they won’t be hated as much

[@ethandollarhide7943]

@robbielux8353 No law has been passed or even proposed that would force you to convert to veganism little guy. Grow up.

[@AlzMarioWolfe]

@@robbielux8353 You’ll be okay, it’s 2024 and this doesn’t happen anywhere you go

[@Dylan-cj7ku]

If animal rights are the same as humans, can i have a human pet?

[@mkmobilbrutalbattles3264]

Los animales no tienen derecho, aunque deberían tenerlos , como derecho a no ser torturados , abusador , asesinados o tratados como objetos por parte de otros humanos

[@westley5572]

you used to but they patched it

[@tofu-munchingCoalition.ofChaos]

What does pet mean to you? Are children pets? Do you view it as ownership (I think that's wrong for humans and sentient non-human animals alike)? Or more a guardian relationship? If you use the Oxford or Cambridge dictionary definition a lot of human-human relationships can be described as pets.

[@NuhaHabila]

Vegans say they are vegans but eat animals food

[@alucrasher27]

You actually can, because some people are into that.

[@sharonkitalei]

I wish people would focus on more important stuff like fighting against environmental pollution, wars and ultra processed foods,it doesnt matter if you eat vegetables or animals

[@iammnyxx]

So fighting against oppression is not important? Trillions of animals are murdered per year for people’s 5 minutes taste pleasure. And animal agriculture is one of the most polluting industries. If that isn’t the greatest injustice idk what is.

[@andreatorres5101]

Factory farming is one of the MAIN causes of co2 and methane emissions...

[@jhunt5578]

Well obviously people disagree with you and care about animals. You don't have the code for objective morality. Also meat eating is terrible for the environment if you actually care about the environment.

[@alisonlevity]

Eating animals is a main cause of environmental destruction

[@robbielux8353]

@@jhunt5578so is veganism my guy

[@Cameron-yo2jj]

i'll never understand the hate towards vegans

[@dunyacaliskan7495]

People are happy to virtue signal their support for justice, but veganism requires an actual lifestyle commitment, which is too much to ask of most people.

[@MAGA_MUSIC01]

They are crazy people, being vegan by itself isn't a bad thing

[@alpacamale2909]

Nobody hates chill vegans/vegetarians. Everybody hates highly opinionated people.

[@xLonewolf]

I only hate vegans who hate other ppl

[@antoniomolluramusic7778]

The whole movement is a giant red herring

[@michaelc6118]

19:23 Orange shirt girl misses the point SO hard. "Well humans can't go sink our teeth into the throats of animals." And you've demonstrated the difference between humans and animals. Humans are capable of sharing ideas on a grand scheme and manufacturing things to make themselves more efficient hunters.ost

[@jhunt5578]

Sure, but just because we can do something, why does that make it moral?

[@Shinyarcanine833]

The point is that if the basis of your argument is nature, humans are not naturally apex predators.

[@Kathryn.X]

We would not be “at the top of the food chain” without technology. Put a human without technology in a cage with a tiger one will get humbled real quick.

[@jolt4404]

But the reason we are at the top of the food chain IS technology. Humans are far more intelligent than any other animal. Saying ''put a human without technology in a cage with a tiger'' is just a hypothetical scenario.

[@xQueenofnothing]

But we do 🤷🏽‍♀️ Native Americans had spears and ate buffalo bro. Humans have the capability to configure our weapons when predator animals have all the weapons they need on their body

[@HigumaHoney]

let's put a sea otter in a box with a clam but no rocks.

[@Shinyarcanine833]

@@jolt4404The point is that we are not apex predators, no matter what you’d like to pretend.

[@jhunt5578]

​@jolt4404 It's all redundant. But a human in a supermarket because that's where we get our food. Now will you choose to pay a supermarket hitman so you can get animal foods, or just eat plants.

[@lydiacheese9719]

Her: I’m wearing an ankle monitor and might be facing 5 years in prison Him: thank you 😍

[@ashokguragai1112]

I lost it when he said “ I’m upset u guys are eating my foods food’s”😂😂😂

[@KabbaModern03]

I eat meat, but the raw meat eater is crazy. 😂

[@zayaboi]

I did it for a couple years along with raw milk, fruits, and raw honey. Once your pallete gets used to it its not bad, its only weird because of societal norms. A lot of people and cultures eat raw meat.

[@Exoticband1123]

u eat meat? u are a horrible person then

[@mkmobilbrutalbattles3264]

​@@zayaboino por eso debería replicarse , muchas personas roban, matan, estafan, violan, secuestran , y mutilan el clítoris de las niñas , y no por eso debes copiarlo

[@HigumaHoney]

@@zayaboi im lactose intolerant but raw milk tolerable.

[@FrankieBeanss]

@1:22 was she wanting and waiting for an applause for being a classical pianist?

[@Superskiier810]

Kinda just looked like she’s shy to admit she was a baller pianist. As a professional classical musician myself of over 20 years I get that there’s always a bit of embarrassment / awkwardness sharing with people what I do. I think you misunderstand.

[@SquashVision-od2xz]

Wow thank you Jubilee (sincerely) for picking actual vegans for this one, including an actual undercover animal cruelty investigator-amazing choice! Would really love to see some well-known vegan activists on the next one, like Natalie Fulton, Earthling Ed, Lifting Vegan Logic, and Debug Your Brain.

[@tyberiusrex5300]

Just wanna throw this out there. The word picnic has been confirmed by the Jim Crow museum to NOT have a racist background. It is from the French word Picque-nique which were social gatherings with food. While it is true that lynchings were often gatherings with food as well, the word is not from that.

[@Astroduck44]

I thought jubilee would bring actual normal people on but after I heard “I’m a carnivore” and “I’m a raw meat eater” I realized they didn’t change

[@HigumaHoney]

well a vegan and a carnivore are polar ends of the food spectrum, so i don't see a problem with that.

[@doyoufeardeath666]

@@HigumaHoney Yeah but there are sensible people on each side that are able to have civil and respectful conversations... most of these people they picked are so extreme in their thinking.

[@serogozin]

no argument from meat eaters makes sense...

[@julianae8755]

I don’t agree with hunting personally but the hunter was very respectful

[@jinx724]

Carnivore diet wasn't something I was shocked about because I know it's a new diet fad but RAW meat is wild. Even as a meat eater that's wild

[@jeovanniperez3949]

Steak and butter gal ( eating only plants really rack up the grocery bill” here I am eating plants and broke af , she has no idea how expensive her diet is if a family of 5 is on the same diet , I also find it very ironic SBG isn’t saying she was on raw vegan diet cus she wants to stay relevant on here

[@HigumaHoney]

i tried the carnivore diet for 5 years, and actually it was cheaper to go carnivore than vegan. you don't have to by grade A steak just to be carnivore. any meat is still meat.

[@jeovanniperez3949]

@ did you have your entire family on the same diet ? That’s the point groceries are cheaper in general for one person

[@jeovanniperez3949]

@ my meals are still cheaper than yours I can make a breakfast meal for example that’s under $7 that’l last me for 3 days

[@HigumaHoney]

@@jeovanniperez3949 if they all agreed to do the carnivore diet with me, it would be easy. bulk purchases at grocery stores like costco, sam's club, etc. make it cheaper to buy in bulk.

[@HigumaHoney]

@@jeovanniperez3949 $7 is kinda pricey for people who are underpaid. with the carnivore diet, initially it might be kinda expensive, but 6 months into it, my appetite naturally shrunk because i was eating enough calories on one meal to last the whole day. but even if i ate 3 meals a day, i could bulk purchase the less savory meats so that i'm only spending less than $4.80 per meal.

[@DeadTwista]

So wait. The red headed vegan has a college degree, has three dogs, goes to the gym all the time and yet we the taxpayers pay for her with an EBT card for her food?

[@KLJ100]

Yet she called the one guy privileged to be in LA on this set...

[@DeadTwista]

@@KLJ100 She also said early in the video she is against colonizers, yet has no problem taking a handout from the government. Make it make sense.

[@KLJ100]

@DeadTwista she doesn't need to without handouts how can one own three dogs and have two hours a day to workout and get 148g of protein. Lol

[@SquashVision-od2xz]

Everyone watching this video needs to look into Name The Trait, if they haven't already. It helps understand what speciesism is, which helps answer almost any question on this topic.

[@CurtisV0llmar]

THEM: You can't compare racism to speciesism... You cant bring up slavery! ALSO THEM: 'proceed to make the same arguments slave holders made in their effort to uphold animal oppression'

[@slikbill3996]

Is it me or is the audio for the Asian chick very sensitive? I can hear her heart beating

[@jheneaikofan-b3i]

chick...? ok

[@jeovanniperez3949]

That’s called anxiety Lol

[@whateverwhatever4026]

Even the Jim Crow Museum says that Picnic idea is WROOONG. 🤦🏿‍♂️🤦🏿‍♂️🤦🏿‍♂️🤦🏿‍♂️🤦🏿‍♂️🤦🏿‍♂️

[@denverdc2994]

Absolutely based and rational vegans on this one, love to see it!

[@Specspider]

To anyone who doesn't agree with the second topic, I encourage you to read the definition of Speciesism and watch the countless amount of abuse, torture, and cruelty humans afflict on animals just for food, medicine, clothes, entertainment, etc...

[@YDS8479]

Imagine if they brought That Vegan Teacher on here

[@charlieistryinghisbest]

They should bring on Earthling Ed,he would destroy the debate

[@NuhaHabila]

Fr😂

[@writerchik44]

Would be incredible. And tons of more views 🎉

[@imtaystee]

For any omnivore who has an idealistic view of animal agriculture, I challenge you to remember that we live in a capitalistic society. Ultimately when it comes down to the welfare of animals or profit, profit wins every time!

[@mkmobilbrutalbattles3264]

Exacto, por eso hay que apoyar la esclavitud , el secuestro, la compra y venta de órganos en el mercado negro, el robo niños, porque el dinero es más importante la justicia y el sentido común!

[@Julisa_Monique]

"Tofu is a staple in plenty of asian cultures" GIRL..💀

[@MrConstancejames]

Is she wrong?

[@salad3955]

ok that intro is wild considering she's saying that to an Asian lady LMFAO

[@cinghi84]

Being vegan or not, how can you continue to watch the video after the first question "do u think animals are put on earth to be eaten by humans" and 3 of "carnivores" move up? I mean, i'm not gonna watch the 1 hour and 14 minutes remaining simply cause it is already clear how it is going. its like having a 90 minutes debate on molecular biology between people from the amazon.

[@aFriCan_Boi]

Somehow slavery always makes it into the conversation 😂😂 bro, I thought we're talking about food?

[@SquashVision-od2xz]

If you don't think animals can be enslaved, you're missing the entire point. Reducing the topic to "food" is just dishonest wordplay

[@mattywomp5167]

Wooosh! 💨

[@Samosayummyyay]

@@SquashVision-od2xz People enslave animals too for personal gain. Most do it to fill a void in their heart. Ah, you feel sad? Go get a dog. You'll be happier that way. Very few people are actually honest people, that get a pet out of love. Most are dishonest, do it just to look cute, or to fit in.

[@lickmyloafbruh]

@@SquashVision-od2xzI just don’t think we should compare humans to animals

[@jhunt5578]

If farm animals aren't enslaved, then what are they - free?

[@rintintin7292]

I did a lot of research and decided to become vegetarian then ultimately vegan. I joined support groups and tried to find like minded people. Vegans were the most rude people I ever dealt with. I had to leave.

[@semi-mojo]

Be vegan for the animals. Not for the people lmao

[@meyer3838]

Sorry you dealt with that but that’s not why we go vegan…. I don’t need to make friends with other vegans to want to protect animals. A lot of people are shitty, vegan or not!

[@Kat-Annangel]

I feel the same way vegans feel about animals, as pro-life people feel about the growing human in the womb. Animals are cool to. But at most, I'd go vegetarian. I have definitely read what happens in slaughter houses and it's very inhumane. I came across it whilst researching puppy mills for a couple papers I wrote in school.

[@jmgaerial2871]

Ever notice how the most low spoken and meek people always have the best takes and the loudest most arrogant people only polarize everyone.

[@wallacerigby4393]

First woman doesn’t know the world “Balance” . I’m Vegan….Im Carnivore! Wtf?