Vei & Soda Expose The Harsh Reality of WoW Expansions...

[@6Monto]

everything is pointless unless its what you wanna do.

[@phoenix6890]

Been playing hardcore for over a year, every little thing matters, I remember every raider, their alts, what gear dropped, the other guilds, their prog and their members, who has what crafting recipies, how much things cost. Every little thing matters, and it's awesome. Skull Rock Alliance been healthy af. Beat Cthun this month, working on last 2 naxx wings now.

[@Zamix69]

I think in retail the phasing of players from different realms that you’ll never see again in 10 seconds really messed up the feel of WoW.

[@Dystisis]

Absolutely.

[@hmp01]

and that is why warmane offers an experience that retail wow lost, 50/50 horde alliance, world PVP and 500 ppl in the middle of stormwind

[@Fabriciod_Crv]

everyone is just strangers to each other on the internet today with social media, back then there was no such thing and it was considered a luxury due to how bad internet was in those times, thus meeting people in WoW felt special. You can't replicate that today, ever.

[@tuxerjones]

Big time

[@bluesquirrel0175]

For me it was people phasing half a sec before my chaos bolt killed them bfa

[@blerp6675]

SoD was cool but it was so filled with toxic people and the past phase has been pretty ass.

[@thiccroman]

sod is still hella fun idk

[@patriciofloresdifilipo3713]

DEVs finally admitted that SoD is testing grounds for C+ and Phase 4 has been very good IMO.

[@powercheif]

​@@patriciofloresdifilipo3713 they already did during the reveal of sod back in nov

[@Krulfar]

​@@patriciofloresdifilipo3713P4 SoD relates stuff has been awful. The only good parts about P4 are the ones already present in Vanilla and arguably the dungeon. If it wasn't for incursions it would be the worst phase.

[@tubesism]

SoD has been classic- the whole time and has coasted off what’s already good in era while actively making it worse. Big shocker that level 60 era with poop on it is better than level 40 or 50 era with poop on it.

[@Eirud]

"Everything in retail wow is so pointless." He says as he waits 35 minutes for his slug flight path to take him 2 zones north so he can spam daily turn in's, since there's no quality of life mass turn in button, to get some tokens to get one item that is a 1% power increase after grinding 7 hours for it to begin with. So valuable and worth your time!

[@MadsThorlund]

Just goes to show how much more he values this expansion and his time in the game over retail. And if you ever played classic versions you'd know the flight paths make for nice toilet/food breaks lol.

[@AJD-od9nq]

Somehow you retail Andy’s have such low iq you are making his point for him 😂😂😂😂😂

[@fritzschnitzmueller3768]

Actual braindead take lmao. Bro can't stand other having a negative opinion about his fave game. Cute

[@mikea9929]

I haven’t played retail since MoP. I came back for Classic played that a lot had zero interest in retail. The passed week I decided to give retail a try since I haven’t been interested in cata much or SoD. Dude it’s awesome so far idk why I hated on it.

[@monkeygolfer]

Same boat as you. The last current expansion I played was MoP. Been having a blast in pre-patch learning my classes and playing solo shuffle/arenas. Hyped for TWW.

[@Bobington11]

So many people hating on retail that never really played it. They don't even know what they hate.

[@kristoferkravis1474]

Wait until one month into the expac, then decide... usually the first month and pre patch are the most fun, but after that when your gear begins to stagnate you will be reminded why you didn't like retail.

[@mikkelrw]

@@kristoferkravis1474 One month of fun in a game is great i don't see the problem. You don't have to dedicate your live to a single game.

[@Nefarium123]

Same here, I used to hate on it because I had a preconceived notion of what I was told by the community. When I gave it a shot in shadowlands, the gameplay was amazing imo! Now I prefer it over classic

[@Notaforumguy007]

I think mounts and transmog are about the only thing people care about in WoW now since its the way you wave your epeen having the new mythic mount or some cool set of gear but yeah that stuff only means something to people who still think the games good everyone else its whatever.

[@KokkeliMonke1311]

SoD p4 has been amazing, nothing else to say. Shame a lot of people wont give p4 a chance.

[@kbdemonbain4568]

retail wow is just not the same game as classic wow or even SoD is not that far off from retail tbh you just can't compare the 2 games at least imo and that is okay that is why i'm happy we have classic wow and retail they scratch different itches while still having the wow flavor but there is no shot vei will ever have a positive view on retail wow when you have soda who is someone like many classic players who are just jaded towards retail

[@Fabriciod_Crv]

it is a reality of literally every single one of them, both the old and the new expansions, the real question is: Does it bother you? If yes: stop playing the game else: continue playing it's really that simple

[@themax2960]

Or we give our opinion until they give is what ee want so we can have fun again?

[@Fabriciod_Crv]

@@themax2960 you’ll alienate the people (like me) that enjoy retail for what it is, so no. Just accept the fact that Classic and retail are two completely different games that satisfy the needs of two completely different kinds of MMO players and stick to the one you find more enjoyable.

[@andrecardoso6941]

@@themax2960 they give what you want? You do realise that not everyone want the same thing right? How will Blizzard please everybody?

[@veppy4952]

@@themax2960 classic wow was the worst thing to ever happen to blizzard, shoulda kept those freaks to private servers

[@themax2960]

@@Fabriciod_Crv Okay Im not saying I want your game to be deleted. Im saying I want the product they took away from the player that enjoyed it back. Same with ow2, there are people who like it more but there are many who are pissed that the product they loved got deleted (6v6).

[@SiopeR]

I feel like he would have more fun in games with veritical progression like GW2 or ESO then WoW with it's seasonal model

[@sLdHavoc]

Besides the actual hardcore aspect of hardcore, you can make the same complaints about retail for classic. Leveling is "pointless", other players feel like NPCs, I "zoom in on"/inspect players just as infrequently in classic as in retail. Classic is just about as much "lobbysim" as retail besides the fact you are actually forced to walk most places instead of queue up but it's not like that makes the classic noticeably more or less enjoyable. Aside from that at max level you are waiting around in the capital spending your purchases told while you form a group/wait for raid.

[@PyroEmbrace]

I remember many people from 2019 classic, none from dragonflight or SOD

[@SliceOCheeze]

its always been that way? People could always just boost lmao. If you wanna level you can level? And of course your never gonna see the same people over and over again, its an mmo? His points were strange in my opinion

[@J4y5un]

lol its literally a catch up mechanics to get ur alts up to pace to experience their rotation and playstyle lol such a doomer take man

[@Cryptic243]

if we're talking pointless I mean so many people played SOD just to quit after 60 since theres no endgame content zero pvp and flushed out raids that everyone has done a million times while pressing 2 abilities the whole time

[@tekamer6566]

i love listening to soy classic andys cry about retail.

[@raze667]

Man... I've been having so much fun gearing up and clearing MC. We just got through our second clear of heat 2. Wiped on baron but cleared the rest of it w/o world buffs! Why are folk so down on SoD lately? I'm ready to get the guild first Thunderfury when BWL drops.

[@TheNaturalCause]

Leading a guild currently and I'm having an absolute blast.

[@andrecardoso6941]

cause it's boring to me. Clearing the same boring and easy raid once a week doesn't make it a fun experience. PvP is super broken and ridiculous what else should I be looking forward to? Also the mindless boring farming is what sets me off the most.

[@veppy4952]

doing MC for the 900th time cant be that enjoyable bro

[@raze667]

@@veppy4952 well five isn't 900..... But it actually has been. I might get old in a few months if we don't push for heat three.

[@youtubeonly520]

SoD always been "make classic wow into retail" and now after like the 4th iteration its so far from actual vanilla wow its just shit

[@ga_sponge7929]

went from 60-70 in 4 dungeons what a nice expansion

[@jamesrobertson6205]

Gotta decide on rules before the addon can be made and the addon could take a few weeks of testing and implementation. Better start thinking about the rules. A guild only economy would make it SO much better. Also, if you play on DP alliance again, you need to make sure people don't just mail themselves a ton of petri, gold, BoEs, etc from their older characters. Let's have some pride in ourselves and do it right this time!

[@Eiszahn]

Only getting consumes through the guild sounds good

[@leighjamieson1856]

"Wow sucks, but I will still play it" Do us a favour and don't.

[@ZekeHair]

Omg i am wow veteran who was pretty fine both in pve and pvp still dont get it what the whole point on hardcore wow . Waiting for the retail to check it and playing on sod with a pleasure

[@ushi6976]

The journey to level is gone in retail, and once you hit max level it’s a Korean type grind fest, slot machine spam until your eyes bleed to get BiS until the season ends and all your work was for nothing. Classic leveling is vastly superior, just the endgame is lackluster in my opinion, but I’d rather be raidlogging and playing around with secondary features or starting alts than spamming M+ for best in slot to be temporarily competitive with everyone else.

[@Nefarium123]

Some people don't like leveling, others do. That's the beauty of having multiple versions. Also they made the gearing in TWW A LOT faster. So people can focus on the gameplay and io/rating progression more

[@BIGSLOW.]

Leveling is literally the worst part about the game, you're free to grind mobs in the open world whenever you like

[@dyyylllaannn]

the issue is that leveling 1-70 is completely worthless, unless you want to level inside of a specific expac that you missed or something it's probably better just to boost

[@cunix8721]

Like everything in classic is pointless since most of your things are bought with botted gold :P

[@seannolan3927]

I'm the biggest retail hater but everyone on sod buys gold lmao

[@CookedPotatoes47]

Kinda true now but it didnt use to be like that and then it was much more fun. Turtle wow is also great for people that are ok with private servers

[@claytongiampaolo7848]

Sod is like the easiest version to make gold in and all the consumes are cheap, don't think that many actually buy gold.

[@cunix8721]

@@claytongiampaolo7848 :P u don't know classic players then they rather buy then do anything

[@claytongiampaolo7848]

@cunix8721 alot of people do but 90% dont

[@HamishHorizons]

I thought they removed pole arm skill from druids ???

[@izeculd8828]

only in classic era and hardcore. SoD still has them

[@avalectra1]

Spamming 1 button with zero mechanics is boring and thats all classic is. Classic pvp is way better tho, the duelng tournament was top notch

[@manquito4216]

I feel like petris are fine. Some players in OF are so bad they are going to die to stupid shit anyways and not use them (poke, emi)

[@manquito4216]

@@fled110 Petris were always part of classic wdym? They are just insanely hard to make so they were never really used

[@Rikhards]

What is it that was exposed? Modern wow is just a game that works in modern ways and many players preffer it that way. I just want to raid and spam M+ all day. You'll keep seeing the same people you played with if you just socialize a little too.

[@BootyFeaster]

100% goated comment, it's the same reason high rate private server are popular. I wanna play arena and raids, not kill 15 tigers in STV drinking every 4 mobs.

[@JACpotatos]

Eh, it's still nothing like it was during classic-wotlk. It feels weird to be forced to socialize in order for an MMO to feel like an MMO... It used to happen naturally

[@Rikhards]

@@JACpotatos Just like in real world before the internet when your circles were smaller and people only knew others locally. Nowadays in wow you lose the "natural" social aspect in a trade for less strictions on who you can socialize with in the game.

[@JACpotatos]

@@Rikhards no.... Sorry, but that logic doesn't work in a videogame like this. 😂 People want a world that feels populated, not the equivalent of a CoD lobby

[@Rikhards]

@@JACpotatos Who are these people you speak of? There are far more players who want to hop in, do their thing and then log off. Natural social surroundings are shitty for them if they want to meet like-minded players. I'm sorry, but the people you speak of are a very small minority in WoW and you can still find what you want in rp servers.

[@Dronesh_Tythun]

I mean if you really look at it every game is pointless everything you do cause always gonna be new better stuff new things to do or your gonna stop playing or you start playing another game.

[@NasboT666]

[@pharaohthutmosis7803]

Retail is for Roleplay Soda. a community with its own problems but extremely resilient, even if the shadowlands lore nearly broke it apart

[@drewjozz]

retail might be too hard for vei if she is used to classic 10 mph gaming

[@Irovetti]

Doesn’t Vei play league pretty good? She’ll be alright lol

[@Nefarium123]

I personally cba leveling. I understand classic that's the main game and i respect that. But not everyone is into that. Some people only play for end game content, and having an easier gearing system and faster leveling helps with that

[@Zemilia22]

I feel like if people want the "classic" experience of recognizing people they see while lvling and then seeing them again at end game its as simple as playing on an rp server. There is literally no requirement to rp just don't be a douche and you will be fine. I rolled on moonguard (before realizing what rp even meant) and have never regret it even slightly. You get to avoid the random layering from other servers, you get to avoid dealing with shards for the most part (anywhere that matters). You have constant community events even non rp ones, like the social part of retail still exists you just have to play where the social players all moved to instead of just hoping that the anti social single player people and the cesspool guild people will actually be social.

[@odeng5945]

Bro, be realistic. Classic has just as much boosting etc this is just a classic andys take

[@holyflygon]

we gotta stop saying somethings DEAD when its raid logging that is not DEAD. And the leveling in EVERY OTHER VERSION OF WOW was pointless the ppl you did dungeons with you never saw again only when you hit 45+ you might see the same ppl over and over in OG classic because servers. But it also shouldn't matter you see different ppl every dungeon because u can still interact with them the same as you did in classic and group with them again. All leveling in WoW is pointless retail is just super accelerated compared to the other versions but retail has MORE endgame paths and IS the better "seasonal" version.

[@somsimsem]

When you go in with a negative attitude, youre going to have a bad time, surprise.

[@AJD-od9nq]

Game is ass bro, why would anyone go into a game they paid for with a negative attitude 😂😂 below room temp iq thought process

[@somsimsem]

@@AJD-od9nq Bet you love classic

[@jonathanwoodard4541]

Literally all they had to do to keep me on SoD was put the tiniest bit of effort into making sure pvp was enjoyable and felt somewhat fair. I never expected perfect balance I just expected the bare minimum effort and they couldn't even do that :/ They effectively communicated for me that pvp enjoyers can ahead and go fuck ourselves in SoD..

[@PR-jb6yt]

Lying that you don’t know that CT is an hour behind ET is wild

[@Floober903]

No point in playing retail unless you care about your io or raid in a guild

[@NickKek-pz8kc]

I like playing retail mage cuz i like smashing a lot of buttons

[@Fabriciod_Crv]

Same for Classic

[@andrecardoso6941]

I don't even raid and I play retail. Cause there's actually pvp content in retail.

[@JustLikeYou.]

@@andrecardoso6941imagine playing wow for PvP content lol you’re playing the wrong game for that

[@matt2d2007]

Never played SOD. but isn't kara coming out soon? a brand new raid that everyone been asking for? you know classic plus?

[@spaceowl9246]

Is it? lol

[@jamespadgett8660]

No one knows. We just have Molten Core at the moment.

[@noggstaj]

I'd vagure most SoD players couldn't care less about TWW nor HC (which already is done and dusted). People are starting to raid log tho, but nothing wrong with it, there's only so much content which is fine.

[@agentbuckwheat]

HC isn't done and dusted at all lmao. The world is 10x more alive and popping than any other game mode. Its a bunch of NPCs running around the other modes.

[@balitopic711]

retail isnt a mmo anymore.....

[@Haggis-Giggles4692]

True, Retail is just a MOBA arena & group Dungeon Crawler

[@Deonora]

People keep saying SOD is dead but never feels dead in town. Might have cooled down because people are maxed and almost geared after couple weeks of MC after 2-3 weeks of Retail people will be back and next phase in SoD will be up.

[@spaceowl9246]

People kept seething about how dead Era was when we had 8 or more active layers and SW was lagging to hell and back. Fuck em.

[@andrecardoso6941]

lol TWW is just coming out no way people will go back to SOD.

[@jamespadgett8660]

​@@andrecardoso6941Yes they will. New raid/tier 2 set changes and BAM.

[@KillerBee300]

I hope to see a raid like OTV, will be fun to watch.

[@4verage417]

Legion Expansion was #1 or at the very least Top 3 expansion.

[@TheRobochicken5494]

nice video crumbs vei

[@L0NGBEACH]

No Petri, is the real HC....I hope he bans Petri If not just another fake HC guild

[@Soda_VOD_Fanmade]

🙄🙄🙄🙄

[@BrokDoidao]

Who gives a shit how long it takes to get max level, leveling sucks anyways, when is soda going to stop crying about this shit lmfaoo Just do high level hard content, thats what retail is

[@mikea9929]

I was a retail hater myself but after trying it out recently and taking the time to learn it a bit. It’s great it’s so vastly different than classic but that’s okay. I think if you just look at it in that perspective it’s pretty good game imo. At least it’s been fun so far

[@BrokDoidao]

@@mikea9929 WoW was never a hardcore MMO, as much as soda wants that to be true lmfaoo, it was always a theme park adventure kiddie MMO, at least now you can get good at it

[@FateChanger95]

great video vei

[@silvestre93ify]

Hardcore gonna make a comeback lol

[@Omit1tulliportin]

I love all the wow fanboys coping in the chat.

[@gerardodiaz6260]

imagine thinking retail is good xd

[@DSoraK]

i literally couldn't give less of a shit about retail, i just like to watch vanilla/hc/onlyfangs streams. retail wow is such an absolute snoozefest of a game made for trigender snowflakes i don't even care if they resurrected arthas and made him fight illidan at this point

[@Garbotio]

Classic wow is the only game I have fallen asleep playing. Literal “snoozefest”. I dont play wow period but I don’t know how you can say you like the slowest game on the market but call retail a snoozefest?

[@superiorsnowboarder]

SOD was dead when they raised cap from 25, change my mind

[@spaceowl9246]

I didn't enjoy the level bandig either.

[@ixplain]

P1 was shit. P2 was shit. P3 was shit. P4 was ahit