velaryon war council scene

[@augustybarratabulado4545]

Notice that Laenor and Corlys faces are all dirty and yet Vaemond face is clean as new cleaned floor. Meaning he is not participating in battle.

[@mramaiahusbandtv4752]

he always complains when he shows up

[@augustybarratabulado4545]

@@mramaiahusbandtv4752 for real 🤣

[@arturosiew9630]

Yes his voice is lous

[@korindoseng4953]

@@arturosiew9630 because he keep his tongue

[@fujidenzo_kid4147]

Great observation

[@javiersilva4852]

"master of complains" loved that line

[@C0rnvillain]

Complaints

[@samuellewis571]

Typical uncles

[@DTS_I]

We deserved more scenes of Laenor clowning Vaemond.

[@martincolton32]

That’s all he ever does. Bitch and moan 😂😂

[@thalmoragent9344]

@@DTS_I Why? Vaemond did his part in the war as well. He was fighting on the beaches with his people and Family.

[@TheSnake2339]

Laenor was a really good solider and held his own this battle

[@DTS_I]

Way better than Vaemond for sure lol

[@redsun5929]

He managed to hold his tongue tho

[@thalmoragent9344]

@@DTS_I Vaemond was in the battle too... he took action for his House

[@urprollytripping5203]

@@thalmoragent9344 look at their armors… Laenor is dirty, Corlys is scuffed up too, while Vaemond looks to be fresh and untouched by battle. That is why Laenor said he hasn’t served a purpose aside from being master of complaints… might not match up with the books but that’s the lore in the series.

[@masterplokoon8803]

@@urprollytripping5203 Ned Stark:" Very handsome armour...not a scratch on it"

[@krisnorge5830]

What the letter said: "Hey bro. Could you beat up the messenger please? No reason, just thought it'd be funny."

[@jcdenton7261]

That one Asian dude in the entire Asoiaf universe just chillin

[@UncleHaul]

The only way I can reconcile it with the lore is that he’s from Yi Ti and Corlys brought him back after his famous voyage there

[@shreyabhattacharjee1267]

Mysaria is Asian

[@nathanolson3135]

I guess you didn’t watch the show.

[@Shannon-vv6rr]

Considering the Valyrians are voyagers on the sea I'd expect alot of their company and connections to be foreign so it makes sense to me! They've travelled all over so I can see it tbh

[@donportuga]

​@@Shannon-vv6rr valyrians were enslavers

[@benjaminosterloh3605]

Daemon clearly respects Corlys and Laenor, and vice versa

[@JW-rq8qh]

The Master of Complaints got one shiney ass clean armor

[@masterplokoon8803]

It reminds me when Ned Stark said: "Very handsome armour...not a scratch on it."

[@matthewriley7826]

Gets a bit dirty later when he charges with the rest of them.

[@arturosiew9630]

Now I understand why Vaemond is a master of complain for he has a loud voice

[@iordanvassilev8091]

He might have to learn to keep his tongue behind his teeth or he might lose it

[@Rafael_Stubborn]

@@iordanvassilev8091 he can keep his tongue.

[@ravensong9030]

2:28 Daemon and the soldiers look at each other. He sees their anger, despair and disappointment. Daemon knows they are right in feeling that way and knows he has a part of the blame. He respects his soldiers. I'm learning to appreciate these interesting details in terms of story-telling and character development

[@ythandlename]

The way I saw it, it looked like he heard or knew what the plan was and is hesitant because they're asking him to go on a suicide mission. But he looked around and saw the soldiers were weary of the war and look to him for an answer. He was also getting sick of the war and was thinking about going home too hence the silence that turned his grin into a frown. Whether he was going to do it or not, he was pushed to doing it when he was mad that Viserys was about to unintentionally humiliate him for giving them aid this late in the war and taking credit.

[@michaelh13]

You see what you want to see. I see a little brat who's in over his head.

[@arturosiew9630]

Reason why daemon is not slicing vaemond head was because laenor and corlys were there to cover his ass lol.

[@thalmoragent9344]

Vaemond was fighting too as well...

[@JohnSmith-lo3lc]

So Daemond is only strong when a someone has there back turned

[@sageex3931]

​@@thalmoragent9344 his armor and face were clean while others were dirty meaning he probably wasn't fighting in the war

[@krieger8825]

​@@sageex3931He was in reserve and he did fight, hes just a blabber but hes no bitch

[@Dondingdingding]

gotta love how daemon nods to that soldier in the right, seems a pretty good lad

[@jeffcordova9633]

Just another day in the stepstones for Daemon

[@DTS_I]

Gotta love how Corlys checked Vaemond at 2:03

[@toaofaotearoa2146]

Ser Corlys velaryon Blood or no vaemond I will not have you stoke mutiny

[@sebastianolvera6984]

He can keep his tongue

[@harpereloise7973]

Truth is, Vaemond could have let a bright-eyed aide-de-camp complain for him, using his points, and he would have gotten away with them by letting his words go through someone else's mouth - especially since an aide-de-camp would have the right to complain.

[@analauramorelrocha2383]

You are very wise

[@IsaiahRichards692]

I’d be mapping the terrain, counting enemy soldiers and weapons, withdrawing back to Driftmark and returning later with three times the Crabfeeder’s numbers.

[@bayarsejar5831]

I would try to a combined assault using dragons to force them into the caves and while they sit there I would land forces to trap them there. I would lastly put archers up to shoot them all

[@IsaiahRichards692]

@@bayarsejar5831 What could go wrong? You’ve only forced your enemy inside a natural fortress and opened up the possibility of friendly fire from the dragons. Then, there’s the part where the enemy archers still hold the high ground, putting yours at a disadvantage. Plus, you’d have to storm the caves where your men would be lost while the enemy has had years to map out the caverns. Finally, this isn’t Season 8 where one dragon can burn a fleet, an army and a city without breaking a sweat: these riders get tired, dehydrated and oxygen-deprived and regularly need to rest back in camp.

[@ythandlename]

Withdrawing would damage the morale of the army and lose all their progress from the 3 year campaign. They're about to win because they cornered the Crabfeeder but are in a stalemate because he's untouchable so long as he can use guerilla tactics to wear out the Velaryon army and it worked. They were running low on food and supplies so they would be too weak and demoralized to keep the siege which would only make the Crabfeeder gather more men overtime and attack their camp. Decisive action was what is proposed in this video and imo it was the only way to defeat them. The Crabfeeder isn't going anywhere and he's weak on the open field so trapping him by baiting him out before he can run back to his cave was a solid choice, all they need was a proud man too suicidal to be saved.

[@IsaiahRichards692]

@@ythandlename Except your proud man (Daemon) is a reckless loose cannon that could easily inflict friendly fire. In order to increase morale, you need a change of scenery, r&r and a quick, decisive battle. Withdraw back to Driftmark, come up with a new strategy, hire Sellswords to fill in the gaps and return with a massive, battle-hardened force. Then, you can use the old bait & tackle maneuver.

[@ythandlename]

@@IsaiahRichards692 It's too risky of a strategy because it damages your reputation to retreat and give victory to the Triarchy who would gain more support and a morale boost and be able to garner as much troops as Driftmark would, even if Driftmark can field more men it would mean more time, lives and money will be spent on a longer campaign. Rather than risk on too many bad factors that could happen during a long state of recovery, it was a lot better to risk the life of one man who was willing to die and has nothing to do with the Velaryons as a house, if he dies they would still kill the Crabfeeder anyways and the men would be moved by his sacrifice and continue to fight with higher morale, instead of slinking back home for vacation, possibly desert or avoid going back to a protracted war. Sacrificing Daemon to guarentee the Crabfeeder's death and ending a war so you can get back to recovering losses is 10x better than gambling it all on a redo and spending more resources on a problem that should've been solved years ago.

[@vr3142]

He literally disses the guy crazy enough to be a bait and give them a chance at winning and ending the Triarchy lol

[@christophertheconqueror8751]

Bro Corlys is a badass. The mf Sea Snake

[@natalianicpon7023]

Vaemond is not only a Master of Complains but the Pain in Everyone's Ass. 😂😂😂

[@mjb_mohd]

The Velaryon armor is really amazing😍✌️

[@DarkMeyer777]

Daemon no matter how much his mood swings, his attitude changes, but believe me, he has done more for the realm than his older brother the king. He lead his men into better, fought on the ground with them, something that most princes do not do. Yes, he plays stupid games with his brother but he treats his niece (the heir) with respect and does not bully her. He is a brat at times, but his growth was 👍 a real Targayen, he truly is. He was willing give up the throne, lay down his life to protect his people, which prince would dare do that

[@kingkongchief1177]

I still don’t get why Daemon was pissed off and attacked the messenger.

[@RFJersey]

Because his brother with going to steal his glory.

[@joesamson2639]

He wanted to win the war himself but his brother sending aid meant that he felt inferior having to be saved

[@Balerion_TBD]

@@joesamson2639 a mix of this and a “Now? JUST NOW?” feeling. Because Viserys knew The Stepstones were at war yet he kept playing house with Alicent for years.

[@b.b.s7545]

He should have known better to send such a message

[@ythandlename]

It was Viserys' idea to idle for 3 years while his brother and Corlys fought in a problem he should've solved from the start. Then he sends in reinforcements without asking Daemon he needs any and it would defeat the purpose of Daemon going there in the first place: to prove to Westeros that he's a big deal and not just the king's brother. He went on that suicide mission at the end because he would rather die than be told by others that he needs his big brother to save him.

[@rayray6490]

Why does Vaemond even bother wearing armor if he’s not gonna fight? Lol

[@masterplokoon8803]

He fought at least in the last battle.

[@amanimckenzie32]

Where do people get this notion that a general would fight on the front lines. Most generals including Tywin Lannister and Stannis Baratheon (books) command from the back lines as they are able to control battle better from there. Only in rare cases like Robert Baratheon or Robb Stark (to a lesser extent) would fight on front lines as its incredibly risky for them to die and the army be rooted and leaderless. Vaemond was probably commanding reserves and Corlys and Laenor were leading the Vanguard or the centre.

[@sageex3931]

Lol😂🤣🤣 Ikr

[@halicarnassus8235]

1:40, that moment You realize Daemon Targaryen is also the 1st Cousin of Laenor by dwindling Valyrian Bloodlines.

[@123FUG33]

This scene helps me realize why Corlys or any Velaryon members didn’t try to avenge Vaemond death. Their relationship was not great and knew his tongue would get him into trouble one day.

[@gooby214]

They all get triggered by him just because he's not afraid to speak the inconvenient truth.

[@chingizzhylkybayev8575]

I mean it's pretty obvious why, even without this scene. Because by going to the Crown with his complaint, Vaemond broke all subordination and showed major disrespect to *his liege lord.*

[@justincase7848]

Daemons plumed helmet is fantastic. It makes a terrifying person look even more terrifying.

[@thalmoragent9344]

Vaemond had been fighting in this war as well. People don't like him cause he didn't support Team Black or Rhaenyra's Strong Sons but that doesn't mean he was all talk... he fought in the battle this very episode alongside his brother and nephew. He was a man of his word when he said he was all about his House and Line above all.

[@ythandlename]

If he was a man all about his house, why didn't he just let Luke inherit Driftmark, marry and have a kid with Baella and then have a Velaryon child through her? He was all about having Driftmark all to himself, if blood was the issue then it was solved by Rhaenys and Rhaenyra since they both want the twins happy and alive. The show makes it a point because Vaemond is a second son, like Daemon is the younger brother of Viserys, Aemond would want the throne instead of Aegon II and through Corlys, house Velaryon is regarded as the second to house Targaryen. The younger sibling vies for the seat of the first, it's the main theme of the DotD.

[@thalmoragent9344]

@@ythandlename Dude, Luke is a bastard, and he's a Strong, not Velaryon And since the male line is the line of inheritance in Westeros, the main Velaryon line was gonna be trumped out to House Strong. And blood wise, think about it; Between Baela and Luke is only 1/4th Velaryon Blood. There's as much Strong Blood as Velaryon in that mix, and Bastards don't inherit before trueborn. And not every 2nd Son vies over for the Seat of the first. Hell, Otto is a prime example, and even Aemond never plans to usurp Aegon. He says he'd be a better king (and he would) but even in the books, he's the biggest supporter of Aegon and his Green family. Even in the show, he tells Luke it's "my brothers Throne". So he knows Aegon is the true Heir and he's there to support him regardless. Even in the books, it's clear if a Bastard is legitimized, he takes his father's name and House inheritance. Corlys' bastard is legitimized, and he takes the Throne. If Luke and Jace are legitimized, they'd be Strongs, not Velaryons or Targaryens

[@zillagrilla315]

@@ythandlename Vaemond felt insulted at Rhaenyr's children. If the heir to Driftmark was Laenor's son by blood, he would have kept his mouth quiet. Yet it was Luke who was obviously a bastard with no hint of Velaryon blood. Secondly, Jace and Luke didn't get betrothed until ep 8, so yeah, Vaemond was making a genuine argument for his house.

[@jackzayas3269]

He only fought in this battle when he had no choice. Notice the difference between him, Laenor and his brother. Vaemond has a clean face and cloak. He has not participated in jack shit besides complaining about plans while offering no solution. He was close to even starting a mutiny if his brother did not give him fair warning. He was a snake hiding under the guise of family. The Greens would have told him to kill his nieces and his brother's wife on a monday morning; by evening their bodies would be buried if it meant he was the sole ruler of Driftmark.

[@raicattivo]

Nah I’m Team Green and I still dislike Vaemond

[@LoudaroundLincoln]

Soldiers get to complain. Commanders do not.

[@cheerfulpessimist952]

As a wise man once said; "Gripes go up, not down."

[@LoudaroundLincoln]

@@cheerfulpessimist952 thats my understanding of it anyway. In fact it doesn't apply just to soldiers but to anyone in a poisition of authority. Most politicians would do well to heed it instead of playing the "blame and complain game".

[@BranchLineFrog]

Brother - why did you beat my knight so badly, he looks like shit

[@Phantom19913]

I don’t get why they didn’t blockade the tunnel entrances with oil at the mouth and just suffocate the crab feeders forces by lightings them on fire.

[@Apollo890]

Presumably because there were many different entrances including ones they did not know about but the Crab feeders were aware of all entrances and exits being far more familiar with the location.

[@Phantom19913]

@@Apollo890 thats the point of scouts they were fighting for that place for while never once did they think to start looking for the entrances and exits

[@Apollo890]

@@Phantom19913 we don't know that, it's possible that they did but scouts never survived because the Crab feeders put a great amount of effort into ensuring they never discovered the more intricate part of the caves as superior local knowledge is vital when fighting a guerilla war.

[@dubstep53]

2:57 when you get your bar tab at the end of the night

[@Ai0n]

That dragon returning sketch is ridiculous.

[@alfredomuniz6406]

This is the reason why he is not a suitable to be Lord of Driftmark. He is always complaining and hot headed. It is wise they chose Lucerys Verlaryon to be Lord of Driftmark.

[@nomanaslam8850]

spoiler alert

[@magnusthered4973]

No he always tells the truth that’s his character not complaints

[@thegreatpage5912]

Wrong, Vaemond was the most qualified contender for Lord of Driftmark after Corlys. Lucerys even acknowledged that. Vaemond was right, Daemon's pride to not ask the crown for reinforcements was the reason they was losing the war.

[@cautarepvp2079]

@@thegreatpage5912 But Corlys could have asked too no?

[@thegreatpage5912]

@@cautarepvp2079 Corly's was another prideful man and ambitious. I like Corlys but he was willing to prostitue his own house if it meant getting closer to the throne. He didn't pass over his brother because he wasn't qualified, he did it because Rhaenyra's sons are connected to the royal family. Had Rhaenyra just been some average Lady his son married. Corlys would not have accepted her bastards as his heir.

[@oyinade84]

Tensions in the family 😅💯

[@jjosifovic]

Most of the comments call Vaemond master of complaints I would be complaining too if I had fire breathing dragons n still loosing a war for how many years? Lol

[@angel00739]

I hope the Master of Complaints title of Vaemond earn him a seat in the Small Council hahaha

[@tiffles3890]

The way one treats his inferiors is a very good indicator of character. Imagine brutally assaulting a messenger (who cannot fight back because of your position as royalty more than anything else). He did the same during the tourney. People keep drawing equivalences between him and Aemond just because both are good warriors and strong personalities, but I've never seen Aemond pull this crap on servants.

[@georgewilliamgutarracampos6262]

Wait until a furious Aemond kill all Strongs he can find in Harrenhall after he takes Daemon's bate...

[@tiffles3890]

@@georgewilliamgutarracampos6262 Those Harrenhall Strongs were his enemies in war, no?

[@ryuzhirkov4098]

​@@tiffles3890How about now, with aegon ii got burn to crisp

[@tiffles3890]

@@ryuzhirkov4098 ??

[@MattyVice]

Why would he say Daemon is the reason why they’re losing

[@arkwill14]

He probably means that Daemon's feud with his brother, the King, is preventing the Kingdom from sending the support needed to win the war. The Velaryons and Daemon are essentially on their own and they are running short of resources.

[@Iagoingsoc]

because he's the one spearheading the strategy that's failing as described (though he turns it around, of course)

[@PheseantNetsuke]

because he's a douchebag

[@CombatMediaa]

Man I seriously hope he comes back

[@dilxc]

I will forever despise Rhaenyra and Daemon for sending Laenor away for their own pleasure. Laenor would have been a fine knight and king consort. He was the only true Driftmark heir and yet they send him away, and then they had the audacity to say they have meileys and this and that. I really hoped that Corlys and Rhaenys would have found out about their scheme and completely backstabbed them and took Rhaena and Baela away. Would have been my cup of tea.

[@giovoism]

I'm doing a crazy thing, I'm watching this show but I've never watched GOT. It's an experiment for my brother.

[@Emy-fv5ny]

You can watch this one without watching GOT, there is no problem.

[@davidesguario9729]

it is arguably even better to watch this one without watching GOT, for reasons I will not explain because of spoilers

[@PheseantNetsuke]

tell me what you taught of it

[@lovelyhoney3334]

Wait what did the message read?

[@ren6922]

that his brother King Viserys is sending an army after months of war (Daemon thought he was trying to steal his thunder)

[@gubat5512]

@@ren6922 It was yeaaaaaars, mate. 3 yeaaaaaars of war

[@JuniorJuni070]

@@gubat5512 hahaha

[@ac2244]

That viserys banged your mum

[@ren6922]

@@gubat5512 oh right, i stand corrected

[@melieflynn-hayes7996]

That was some humour and insult from Laenor

[@chairagaspar9331]

Which island is bigger driftmark or dragonstone just asking ☺️☺️☺️

[@mjb_mohd]

I wish Velaryons also had a kingdom for themselves with bannermen like north vale other big houses

[@amanimckenzie32]

Driftmark is a slightly bigger island than Dragonstone, although, driftmark is a direct vassal of Dragonstone. However, at this point in Westerosi history, the Velaryons have a lot of power and so they move with a lot of autonomy. See how Rhaenyra cannot guarantee their support despite them being direct vassals to her.

[@TheSmolPrince]

Wish the Velaryons changed their sigil when they became dragon riders.

[@ryankwon8785]

A leviathan symbol would be interesting.

[@josephcornejo2288]

They black hair !! VALERIANS

[@ScharfeZungel]

The view is reminiscent of Iwo jima

[@Pabloladin]

They are years behind those nation in game of thrones yet they are more well equiped than them

[@masterplokoon8803]

It's just that House of the Dragon has a bigger budget so they can make more expensive costums.

[@stew-03]

@@masterplokoon8803That and House Velaryon was the richer than the Lannisters during this time period

[@alecivanyanquiling8479]

Poor messenger

[@elessartelcontar147]

That poor messenger

[@addygil5000]

Vaemond spitting facts

[@Chudan-lal-chunni]

How did sothoriyos people became valyrians

[@nghiainh1212]

That's why people use owl to send message in Westeros.😆

[@michaelyoon9355]

yes they messed with our momentum.

[@michaelyoon9355]

all for some stupid data.

[@wictorwong4176]

Send it the Asian Targaryen

[@richirich999]

That’s a Yi Ti man fighting for the Velaryons.

[@wictorwong4176]

@@richirich999 Hold your tongue peasant. That's Deamon's personal sushi Chief

[@2KOREAN]

Fucking hell. I'm wheezing. Bruh is Korean tho4real.

[@SorceressWitch]

Vaemond was a complainer to the end. Good riddance. Daemon did the world a service.

[@SwallowedStov_e6]

Bro, stfu people like you slandering vaemond for know reason piss me off.

[@zakarihanozeg8931]

said and will say it again he's impulsive and stupid and a bully daemon had never the making of a king or anything beside a war hound you send into the battlefield to strike fear into your enemies

[@Ivane_Maskhulia]

too few blaqs

[@lopov9]

we wuz blondez n shiet