Where are the Velaryons in Game of Thrones?

[@fantasyhaven1]

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[@markgarrett3647]

Wanna know where Velaryons are during GoT? The Summer Isles.

[@StormbornDragon]

it’s interesting to see how far the velaryons fell from power in around 100-200 years

[@fantasyhaven1]

They're only mentioned about a dozen times in the main series

[@roningarcia5771]

They basically took the history of Spain/Portugal on how my ancestors utilized maritime technology to become the richest monarchies in the world and then fell once they expanded beyond their means

[@abadyr_]

Well, Corlys was exceptional. Maybe, it's more interesting how high he got his house to rise. Or maybe it's most interesting how little D&D cared about minor characters and world building.

[@st.michaelofcigarillo2845]

So they got turned into albinos?

[@Harry.your.awizard]

They reached to far and got too close to the crown. They should have known better than to play with fire and they should have understood that the madness of the Targaryen incest.

[@lucaschapel7197]

Let's not forget that the mothers of both Aegon I and Jaehaerys I were both Velaryons, something which is fundamentally critical when understanding the relationship between the Velaryons and Targaryens.

[@fantasyhaven1]

Yes! Good point

[@kaustralishamal2054]

also the mother of Daeron I and Balor the saint

[@lucaschapel7197]

@@kaustralishamal2054 - That's correct, their mother was a direct descendant of Vaemond, who had his head sliced off in the TV show.

[@sanitizerwilson1599]

@@lucaschapel7197 In the books Vaemond was the Nephew not the Brother of Corlys in the show version

[@sanitizerwilson1599]

Just like I says there probably White Velaryons in the past and present.

[@BertoPlease]

I was curious about this after HOTD, given they're stated that they're richest family, and barely having mentions in ASOIAF. I suppose it makes sense that if Corlys just got a shit ton of wealth from a handful of voyages, and no one quite followed in his footsteps, eventually that wealth could run out, especially compared to the Lannister's nearly limitless source of wealth in their mines

[@fantasyhaven1]

There's a reason the Sea Snake is the most famous Velaryon

[@nomadichippie1930]

Well it was definitely limited considering by the main series the gold mines had dried up

[@BertoPlease]

@@nomadichippie1930 I know, hence "nearly limitless." It is worth mentioning it took hundreds or thousands of years for it to run out. But if somehow the Lannisters survive after A Dream of Spring, save to say they likely won't be among the richest anymore

[@roronoalaw7772]

@@nomadichippie1930 No they haven’t, the Lannisters having no gold left is only on the show. In the books their mines aren’t close to dried up.

[@johnlinsky19]

why are they black? lmfao doesn't make sense

[@anthonyashtinbaccus7276]

What’s even more confusing is Rhaena had the last dragon named Morning. She in the books took the dragon everywhere and the common folk actually loved her and they very much so took to her because of her dragon morning. However Rhaenerya and Daemons son Aegon the 3rd hated dragons and he is the SOLE reason the dragons died off. He told Rhaena to leave court because he hated dragons. But the books NEVER say what became of Rhaena and Morning

[@fantasyhaven1]

We'll probably find out in Fire and Blood 2. Maybe I should make a video about it? 🤔

[@xtronsm8597]

@@fantasyhaven1 Please do😂

[@matthewhart9610]

We know Morning died before Aegon III did, so at most she lived only 20 years. Rhaena married a hightower and had half a dozen daughters, we don't know when exactly she died but she never hatched another dragon.

[@reinsaxony4623]

How is this relevant to House Velaryon, though? Rhaena was Targaryen.

[@adrianshantz5740]

@@reinsaxony4623 her mother was Laena Velaryon so she was Velayron too

[@JamesRoyceDawson]

You might say this family has a habit of backing the wrong seahorse :D

[@fantasyhaven1]

Eyyy

[@Skwadley]

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[@faisalkamal4319]

Supporting the only true king Stannis the mannis Baratheon

[@crusader2112]

Bend the knee or I'll destroy you.

[@imapotato8010]

Nah. The true ruler of the 7 Kingdoms is Daenerys Stormborn of House Targaryen, the First of Her Name, Queen of the Andals and the First Men, Protector of the Seven Kingdoms, the Mother of Dragons, the Khaleesi of the Great Grass Sea, the Unburnt, the Breaker of Chains.

[@vulcanflash4228]

@@imapotato8010 yeah no

[@imapotato8010]

@@vulcanflash4228 Yes. She’s the true heir in the books and show (season 7 and 8 doesn’t exist).

[@vulcanflash4228]

@@imapotato8010 yes along with books 6 and 7 which we’ll probably never get. Can’t be heir to a kingdom you don’t rule. Atm the 7 kingdoms are ruled by a false Baratheon (Tommen),so IMO Stannis the Mannis is the one true king.

[@et5216]

It’s quite clear that backing Rhenayra was a gamble that didn’t pay off. Leading to the complete demise of the Velayrons upper status. High tide being sacked and burned wasn’t helpful either. It’s a classic example of how Corlys had it all the status wealth and influence. But he failed to be content. Instead he did everything in his power to get blood on the throne. Even when it wasn’t in House Velyarons interest to do so.

[@Mcherri]

I mean he didn’t have much of a choice either they were placed in a hard spot yes they could’ve sat out and done nothing but then aegon and the greens would’ve still come for them or wanted them in their side especially their granddaughters because they have daemons blood so half Targaryen and not to mention the marriage pack between Jace,luc, rhaena and baela. Also rhaenys was a Targaryen princess as well. That hard spot was mostly due to how close they were with viserys and the marriage between laenor and rhaenyera. The deleted scene with rhaenys and baela proved that they still would come after them baela knew this or was it rhaena I can’t remember but those girls were smart enough to know what was going to happen.

[@shippendales8543]

They would have supported Rhaenyra because of their granddaughters anyway Especially since the war was inevitable The greens where wiped out by the war and Rhaenyras line ruled So in that facet the blacks won in the end

[@evlinboo9071]

Backing Alicent wasn’t the best choice either tbh , them being surrounded by snakes that just wanted their dragons and golds was about to end their dynasty worst than it did with Rhaenyra in my opinion, don’t get me wrong the way Rhaenys died in the book was horrible but they would’ve end up being betrayed and killed if they collaborated with the other side either way (in my opinion) , They got into a lot of troubles being with Rhenaryra but she was more trustworthy than people around Alicent. The better option was them being out of the drama finding an other kingdom somewhere else , but a big family like the Velaryons would’ve attract snakes anyway so.

[@ryansaintz2575]

I wouldnt' say complete. Alyn just there after retained the power and prestige of House Velaryon for some 40 years. It was after his demise that their influence basically fell apart. He was essentially a mini Corlys.

[@renatoovelar7442]

From possessing an entire fleet to only 4 war galleys they really fell hard

[@jmra99]

Their hardest fall came from Robert Rebellion. Many of the ships in the royal fleet were theirs when it was destroyed by a storm.

[@edwardking203]

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[@fantasyhaven1]

Thanks, I appreciate it

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[@fantasyhaven1]

Thanks! Don't worry, I won't forget the first fans

[@thalmoragent9344]

Would be interesting if, when Dany makes it to Westeros with her Dragons, she meets the young Lord of the Tides, and he perhaps bonds with say, Viserion. Although Dany may be weary of her child bonding with someone, she would be wise to note that while Aegon did take over Westeros with 3 Dragons, he also had his Sister-Wives as Dragonriders. So, with the young Velaryon bonded with one of her Dragons, the rise of the Valyrian families together will help bolster Dany's own claim to greatness as well.

[@fantasyhaven1]

Very interesting idea... Although Velaryons aren't really dragonriders. Laenor and Laena were exceptions because their mother was a Targaryen. But I can definitely see Aurane helping Dany with his fleet, maybe getting legitimised and given Driftmark as a reward?

[@wargattack8837]

okay so yeah, that’s probaly not going happen. The last Velaryon dragon-rider was Rhaena and she died literally like 150 years ago. The books heavily imply that only daenerys, faegon and maybe jon posess the power of dragonriding now

[@sascham-yb9ds]

@@wargattack8837 where does the book say Jon?

[@Ouioui555]

@@sascham-yb9ds dragon riding if you research into the lore is actually more open than most of the people posting understand.

[@ladysasha90]

@@Ouioui555 that didn’t answer my question. And even then it’s established in this universe that only those of Valyrian descent are capable of being dragon-riders even though the Velaryons were never dragon-riders.

[@jonasnoren2281]

The decision to turn them black for political reasons (to satisfy the woke crowd) is just pathetic.

[@julioulloa5403]

I was not sure about a corlys spin off, after hotd it's very easy to see why hbo trusted in the actor

[@fantasyhaven1]

Yeah, I think it would be a great way to showcase the far-flung parts of the world

[@Scarlattomachiatto]

That or an Oberyn spin-off during the years of his exile.

[@dallasallad335]

@@Scarlattomachiatto it would be hard tho Pedro pascal is getting up there in age to the point I don’t think makeup can hide that fact well enough. Not trying to insult him I just don’t think he could look young enough without a lot of CGI

[@Scarlattomachiatto]

@@dallasallad335 Tbf, Pedro has aged extremely well since Oberyn days in acting. That aside, slap a little concealer and he's good to go. Hollywood does it all the time, and hell with some shows/movies, they deepfake the faces of dead people or actors who refuse to return. To the franchise/can't. Edit:I only bring up that point because I think that Pablo doesn't need CGI so much as make up to make him appear younger. But also, his age could help, maybe Oberyn took on a much, more rugged and weathered approach to Essos and only cleaned up when allowed back home.

[@ericlayton8888]

@@Scarlattomachiattoor could do a Euron spinoff, Pilou Asbæk was let down enormously by GoT so would be nice to give him another chance. From what I know he was the only cast member who read the books before getting cast and he was really excited to play Euron

[@AlbinoMutant]

I understand that the Velaryons are dark skinned Valyrians in the show for a more diverse cast, and this is explained with reference to the multi-ethnic nature of the Valyrian Freehold. But I know of no ethnicity in the World of Ice and Fire that has dark skin and white hair. What ethnicity are they supposed to be? Wouldn't it make more sense if their ancestors were from the Summer Isles, say, and looked like Summer Islanders? It's just weird how they went part of the way to inclusivity then stopped.

[@fantasyhaven1]

I assume they're just mixed

[@supernus8684]

There were no black valyrians to begin with. They are black because of the multi-ethic nature of hollywood, thats all there is to it.

[@Aemond2024]

​@@fantasyhaven1 so their Valyrian blood is very muddled and Corlys and Laena's supremacist rants in the beginning of the season were nonsense

[@annearchy98]

Well there is some truth to black people with white or even red hair, check out the melanasians. They make up a very small portion of the African diaspora, but it's still noteworthy

[@the98themperoroftheholybri33]

​@@annearchy98 they die their hair using the mud from the region they live, it isn't a natural hair colour. Try again

[@annstillwell730]

I can't remember if they are mentioned in the books much but it seems like they lost a lot of power probably after the Targaryens were all killed off. Better to keep a low profile if you were related to them and they were your allies with Robert Baratheon as king.

[@jamesdrake3651]

They returned to Jamaica.

[@inyagi3107]

Returned to Jamaica Is crazy

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[@rodneycarr2972]

Facts!

[@patrickmonahan5272]

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[@fantasyhaven1]

Thanks!

[@patrickmonahan5272]

@@fantasyhaven1 you’re welcome, keep it up. It’s really nice to see mini bite sized content focused on interesting parts of this world

[@faisalkamal4319]

House Frey for throwing a killer wedding

[@fantasyhaven1]

A House Frey video would be fun

[@MrFirefox]

Youre not allowed to bring up the fact they just took a whole family and made them all black so they could have black actors

[@bloemkoolendestreetgang450]

Honestly, having seen HOTD so far and not having read the books, i did not think house Velaryon would even survive to the GOT time

[@deaddropsd1972]

GoT did a pretty good job with people of color. Majority seemed to be from the other continent Essos There was the ship smuggler Salador Saan. The Quarth Xaro Xon Daxos. Grey Worm, Missandei. I am Asian American. I enjoy seeing diversity in casting. But only when it fits properly. This just seems very very forced. The Valyrians mentioned in books 📚 & History & Lore were all about incest & keeping the bloodlines pure. We all know genetically this just does not make sense to have African characters be blond Simply illogical and visually disturbing. It breaks the suspension of disbelief. In the grand scheme of things. In our real life, of course it’s not really going to matter. But people argue about Star Wars and Star Trek and Lord of the rings details and I’ve done so for decades. So this is just another creative choice that some of the fans will not agree with. it does not mean that people who disagree with the creative choice are Nazi racists. Marvel comic books decided to change Nick fury into a black guy inspired by Samuel L Jackson. This creative difference seemed to work very well. At the time, I thought it was silly, but I can see that it resonated well with a lot of fans. Benjamin Sisko is my favorite captain of Star Trek. Deep space line was definitely the best Star Trek television show in my opinion.

[@CYCLOPS1994]

​@@deaddropsd1972rice 🤏🏻

[@tonybryk3312]

​@deaddropsd1972 you don't find it a bit odd that the mystical elite ruling class of ancient essos were pale? I mean they were surrounded by dark skinned people and for some reason they were all ridiculously pale? I love the story and all but some parts are just perverted or racist.... we don't need valyrians to all be pale any more than we need 11 year Olds getting raped all the time

[@GM-tw4el]

There's no mention of any of them being black or mixed race in the books. I feel like it's just a woke box ticking exercise. You wouldn't have a white actor playing someone from the summer Isles. Crazy.

[@Zapp33311]

I don’t care what people say there’s times when their diversity throw ins just look completely forced. I’ve noticed they’ll show a lone black person front and center of a crowd or unnecessary close ups of minor background characters. It’s ridiculous. 🙄

[@lucasdamotta2931]

You don’t feel, that’s exactly what happened.

[@deaddropsd1972]

GoT did a pretty good job with people of color. Majority seemed to be from the other continent Essos There was the ship smuggler Salador Saan. The Quarth Xaro Xon Daxos. Grey Worm, Missandei. I am Asian American. I enjoy seeing diversity in casting. But only when it fits properly. This just seems very very forced. The Valyrians mentioned in books 📚 & History & Lore were all about incest & keeping the bloodlines pure. We all know genetically this just does not make sense to have African characters be blond Simply illogical and visually disturbing. It breaks the suspension of disbelief. In the grand scheme of things. In our real life, of course it’s not really going to matter. But people argue about Star Wars and Star Trek and Lord of the rings details and I’ve done so for decades. So this is just another creative choice that some of the fans will not agree with. it does not mean that people who disagree with the creative choice are Nazi racists. Marvel comic books decided to change Nick fury into a black guy inspired by Samuel L Jackson. This creative difference seemed to work very well. At the time, I thought it was silly, but I can see that it resonated well with a lot of fans. Benjamin Sisko is my favorite captain of Star Trek. Deep space line was definitely the best Star Trek television show in my opinion.

[@wasp3959]

​@@deaddropsd1972yeah the whole "I need to see people who look like me" argument really annoys me... I grew up watching Japanese and Korean movies as a kid and never saw anyone that looked like me and I'm sure if they shoe horned a white man in them movies It would feel forced and weird. When you realise their goal is quite literally box ticking it makes it feel really pathetic... Also, I don't know about you but the black cast can not act to save their lives.

[@prettycyber8332]

You all sound like a bunch of fools whose 🏀 haven’t dropped. Someone PoC probably put you in your place

[@cameronrobinson3601]

A video on the Muppet Tullys could be cool I think. Loving the vids so far man

[@fantasyhaven1]

I swear to god if they don't change Kermit's name I will lose it

[@dimvots6729]

Not only the fell from power but the change physically too ..... ahahahhah

[@kwekuakoni-ampah945]

The Velaryons have always been fair of skin and silver of hair like all those of Valyrians descent were. The Creators of HOTD merely took creative liberties and GRRM allowed it because it doesnt hurt the plot of the story much

[@Kash_28]

@@kwekuakoni-ampah945I honestly like that they made them a different skin color because of not it would be hard to tell them apart from the Targaryens

[@kwekuakoni-ampah945]

@@Kash_28 For the casual HOTD fan, you'd be right. But for the ASOIAF bookverse that was the point, that the special feature of the Targaryens that made them stand out in Westeros was not so special when you take into consideration other people of Valyrian descent outside of the house of the dragon

[@SéaFid]

​@@Kash_28Why is it always White or Black though? Think about it.

[@ch3rlo_1]

"Multi ethnic feature of the Valyrian Freehold" come on now lol.

[@concept5631]

I think it was be an interesting twist and pretty wholesome if Aurane actually supported Monterys as ruler of Driftmark and protected/supported him with his big navy.

[@erloriel]

They were crafted to tick diversity boxes. The books didn't force diversity. So that's where they went.

[@alexx5064]

lmao your sponsor read is my favorite ever

[@adambarleyii3357]

Do the Hightowers next

[@IchiOne-b4u]

They all died of sickle cell anemia and lactose intolerance.

[@cjstanky]

All pf Westeros is at war while Aurane is busy trying to find the One Piece

[@Chillemdafoe]

My fav was maul vs Pre vizla. So well done

[@MH-ro1lg]

I don't think hbo made them dark skin because of the ethnicities within the freehold.

[@CharleyGurl]

Except for conquered and enslaved peoples, the Valyrians were white.

[@homerc9101]

This is so stupid, those "ethnicities" were slaves. The Valyrians were racist supremacists that believed everyone who wasnt a valyrian was inferior. HBO made them black so they could have black people riding dragons, it was 100% political and makes no sense from a lore and worldbuilding PoV, is over, is fine, you can say that diversity and job opportunities are more important than lore, and that is a fair argument, but pretending it makes sense is a bad and dumb cope. The targs were already half valyrian, aegon and his sisters had a velaryon mother. Valyrian is an ethnicity, and in the world of ice and fire they are their own RACE, not only a nationality ot a citizenship, but a RACE different from what we would call "caucasoids", Valyrians were supremacists that practiced eugenics and experimented on themselves.

[@sanitizerwilson1599]

One or Two members of the family (Velaryons) marry into the Summer Islanders probably a female to get the Bow Ships!!!

[@CharleyGurl]

@@sanitizerwilson1599 Not in the books.

[@sanitizerwilson1599]

@@CharleyGurl Lies!!!!!!

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[@fantasyhaven1]

Glad you like them

[@johnmitchell4043]

Rhenera, stannis?!... I love these guys

[@Thecrimsonking01]

Glad to see a no spoiler video!

[@fantasyhaven1]

Yep, I make sure to give all my new videos a spoiler status

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[@fantasyhaven1]

Thanks! 😉

[@syriah213]

Black Valyrian ?

[@made-line7627]

Are you monetised now FH? You deserve it, and more subscribers! Onwards and upwards 🥁

[@fantasyhaven1]

Thanks! Yes I'm finally monetised, I might even set up a Patreon soon with extra content if people are asking for it

[@Iceican]

the veylarons are normally white they were only made black because most movies and shows these days are held on some diversity quota, luckily the chosen actors where fairly good which makes up for the discrepancy from the books.

[@-_-ligma]

no one cares lil bro

[@s0ns0fvenus88]

I think the choice of black characters make them more appealing

[@Iceican]

@@s0ns0fvenus88 they aren't supposed to be appealing they are vaylarians.

[@trpimirkarlovic838]

​@@s0ns0fvenus88 how

[@janellejulianajoy]

​@@s0ns0fvenus88No, it's just easier to tell that Rhaenyra is lying.

[@SBAXCV95]

"In House of the Dragon, the Velaryons are dark-skinned, owing to the multi-ethnic nature of the Valyrian Freehold" Is that really what they went with?

[@mittenil2972]

It's not that serious, bud.

[@thecensoredmuscle563]

​@mittenil2972 relax, what he said isn't that serious.

[@TheTeddyGuy28]

@@mittenil2972 Muddying the lore for diversities sake is always lame. Introduce some awesome Summer Islander characters, instead of making a Valyrian house dark skinned and causing the whole issue around Laenor and his kids seem like raw nonsense.

[@bgos4727]

Omg just cry about it

[@ourovermelho23]

Bro your videos and narration are amazing

[@mysteryman6918]

Sheeeit we was velaryons and sheeit

[@hiibillymayshere4238]

Awww Little YT boi jr is angwy, gonna cry?

[@Xeta_]

@@hiibillymayshere4238look who’s replying

[@shammes95]

This made me laugh, thanks.

[@TrollinFromFlask]

*"In house of the Dragon the Velaryons are dark skinned owing to the multi-ethnic nature of the Valerian freehold."* LoL No, captain cope alot, there was no "multi ethnic nature" in Valeria besides slave and foreigners. This is clear by the original story pointing out constantly what *Valerian* ( not even just -Targaryen- ) features in _Essos_ and _Westros_ look like. Those features are even said to be more valuable because of association with the former hierarchy astblisted by the Dragon Lords who ruled most of the know world. So what they "own their dark skin color" to are producers who injected what they call diversity (aka virtue signaling) into the story dispite the genetic and story logic previous established many times over. You'd have to be overdosing on cope to begin an attempt at making sense of just a single family being dark skinned on a continent of pale skinned people even after living there for centuries by the time of The Dance of Dragons. Not that that last part matters because they wouldn't have had darker skin to begin with.

[@fantasyhaven1]

Dude, it's a lore video. I'm not "coping", I'm describing and contrasting the lore of a fictional House in two mediums. Does it make sense that there's a black family living on a white continent for thousands of years and keeping the same skin colour? Not really. Is it relevant to this video? No, because this isn't a meta production analysis of House of the Dragon, it's just a fun lore video. Thanks for commenting though 👍

[@TrollinFromFlask]

@@fantasyhaven1 Fair enough, I just get triggered about this kind of thing, it was very aggravating to have to endure people defending this kind of writing/story changes that are completely separate from the creative process by using dumb vague excuses they thought up or the HBO writers vaguely mentioned. So I still think what you said was incorrect and should be called out because they aren't black for any reason other than some writers wanted them to be until they confirm officially in the story otherwise, because any explanation they give would simply raise more questions as it would undermine more than what we can already logically understand doesn't make sense, it's contradicted multiple times directly by the source material, they need more than the one sentence explanation.

[@fantasyhaven1]

Fair enough

[@sanitizerwilson1599]

It is simple people One or Two members of Velaryons marry in the family that owner Bow Ships which belong to the Summer Islanders people!!!!!!

[@sanitizerwilson1599]

I am going type two words Bellegere Otherys

[@marcfrancisteodoro7720]

Great video!

[@Aemond2024]

Sure the Valyrian Freehold was multi thnic but only the Valyrianethnicity ha dragonrider blood. and they are pale

[@fantasyhaven1]

The Velaryons aren't dragonriders though, they're a minor House from Valyria

[@the98themperoroftheholybri33]

​@@fantasyhaven1 *with the blood of old Valyria

[@connormohun1373]

Great vid! Can you do house Celtigar next? Not a lot is known about them and I’d be interested to hear any info you have on them :)

[@fantasyhaven1]

I've got a few videos in the pipeline atm, the Celtigars would be interesting although we barely know anything about them 👀

[@michaeltownlee6023]

It's weird they decided to make the black for HOTD, I understand though don't always agree with wanting increased representation but it should be done to characters where it makes sense to...

[@shammes95]

That would take creativity and effort. Why do that they can just throw blonde whigs on black people and act like it is perfectly normal? (If it wasn't obvious I am being facetious. For their casting choice alone, I won't be watching the show).

[@michaeltownlee6023]

@@shammes95 yeah exactly. It's just beyond stupid and irritating.

[@jeffk3746]

George came up with the Velaryon’s after he wrote SoS

[@fantasyhaven1]

Lord Monford Velaryon is actually first mentioned in ACoK, although his first name isn't stated until ASoS (he's just called "Lord Velaryon" in Davos' POV)

[@jeffk3746]

@@fantasyhaven1 the backstory of the family I meant

[@worrydarling]

It’s funny how world building details from HOTD further reveal how badly GOT was treated when the book material ran out. They had SO MUCH to work with and instead we got what we got

[@deaddropsd1972]

GoT did a pretty good job with people of color. Majority seemed to be from the other continent Essos There was the ship smuggler Salador Saan. The Quarth Xaro Xon Daxos. Grey Worm, Missandei. I am Asian American. I enjoy seeing diversity in casting. But only when it fits properly. This just seems very very forced. The Valyrians mentioned in books 📚 & History & Lore were all about incest & keeping the bloodlines pure. We all know genetically this just does not make sense to have African characters be blond Simply illogical and visually disturbing. It breaks the suspension of disbelief. In the grand scheme of things. In our real life, of course it’s not really going to matter. But people argue about Star Wars and Star Trek and Lord of the rings details and I’ve done so for decades. So this is just another creative choice that some of the fans will not agree with. it does not mean that people who disagree with the creative choice are Nazi racists. Marvel comic books decided to change Nick fury into a black guy inspired by Samuel L Jackson. This creative difference seemed to work very well. At the time, I thought it was silly, but I can see that it resonated well with a lot of fans. Benjamin Sisko is my favorite captain of Star Trek. Deep space line was definitely the best Star Trek television show in my opinion.

[@CYCLOPS1994]

​@@deaddropsd1972rice 🤏🏻

[@agentseptember7185]

They couldn't even tell stannis he had a sick light-up table. i think thats treaeson

[@sardonically-inclined7645]

I say talk about the Lannisters next, but I'm a Tywin stan, so make of that what you will.

[@crusader2112]

Tywin’s cool, so is Stannis. 👍

[@fantasyhaven1]

"Tywin Lannister: Books Vs Show" would be fun

[@Androx-murdok34]

I literally thought of this earlier

[@splinter360]

Once you read the books you realise just how many characters, houses, places, sub plots and battles the show left out. Its a lot.

[@phillipguglielmo]

Great video, but Stannis and Renly never received the title of "Prince".

[@fantasyhaven1]

Good catch, I must have remembered wrong

[@D-LineReviews]

Amazing Targaryens are still white with silver hair in the tv version…. Wonder how they square that circle

[@ishteharhussain4618]

HotD Velaryon casting is revolting. 🤢🤮

[@jdramirez77]

ottoble... and dollar snake club... that got me. I subscribed... and happily so.

[@swtgirlcali]

I always thought it was interesting how the Velaryons and Hightowers were not as prominent. I get the Velaryons los alot with that damn bank and getting Viserys back but damn.

[@robertkarp2070]

Stannis battle with the Bolton's would probably have turned out completely different had Stannis not burned up his daughter.

[@gooby214]

Showpleb, the show isn't canon. Your dear storyline with Stannis losing to the Bolton chumps is fake. Go read the books and you'll see how UTTERLY DIFFERENT Stannis's current storyline is. And how many more characters are involved with him and his northern campaign. The Boltons are the ones suffering betrayals everywhere and everyone ditching them for Stannis.

[@robertkarp2070]

@@gooby214 I know the books are different.

[@PapaDoc215]

Hmm i wonder. Same storm that Danerys "Stormborn" was born during was the one that destroyed the Velaryon fleet?

[@shammes95]

It isn't clearly stated in the books, but likely yes. The storm where Dany was born destroyed most of the royal fleet anchored at Dragonstone. Most of those ships would have been Velaryon.

[@andresmadrid9260]

I'm confused, i read the books but havent watched this show and since when are the Velaryons black ? They are suposed to be the same ethinicity as the Targaryons or this is like a diversity grab like The Witcher ?

[@whitediamond133]

Corlys doesn't have a physical description and his mother's identity is unknown. There are also several Targarens who don't have Targ features.

[@andresmadrid9260]

@@whitediamond133 Its not just Corlys its literaly everyone of them... The Targaryens that dont have the valyrian traits are especionaly rare like Baelon, Jon Snow, Aegor Rivers they are the exception not the rule. The valyrians are described as fair skin almost albino like traits with straight platinum/silver blond hair and violet eyes, this includes the Targaryans, Celtigars and Velaryons. In the books the Velaryons that exist in the events of GOT are described like this. Sadly this was just a mere diversity grab.

[@CharleyGurl]

They're white in the books, black in the show.

[@homerc9101]

@@whitediamond133 Corlys has an official portrait that was made following Martin's description, we know how he looked.

[@Loki-fl1rk]

​@@andresmadrid9260why do you phrase this as a question and lie about not having seen it?

[@killua4162]

incredible content

[@fantasyhaven1]

Thanks :)

[@peterwu5091]

Dollar snake club representing!!!

[@fantasyhaven1]

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[@hishquten4613]

Corlys stood on business

[@LokiOdinssnn]

they were not black

[@choco.es.unlimited]

That name is fire. The sea snake

[@bartolomeestebanmurillo4459]

In the real world, once prominent families fall into disarray and many times became official extinct. I mean the Medici dynasty became legally extinct and their house came to an end in the 18th century.

[@umsonhodeumanoitedeverao]

As a reader/watcher I love the fact that they introduce new houses, that are barely mentioned or not big in got….showing that what it takes is ambitious men to be in court, gives us new lore….i would hate to see the same houses I saw in got going at it….again

[@vinogr00nko93]

I think the balance between new houses and some of the old ones is good, it's nice to see how the power shifted over the years but it also makes sense that some of the biggest ones remained relevant through all that history, things like "oh the Lord Commander of the Kingsguard is Harold Westerling?, thats the same family as Rob's wife in the original books that's nice"

[@tabihiro-qf4in]

if they didn't make velaryons black in hotd rhaenyra's kids maybe would have looked less like bastards

[@edinpandzic5838]

why are they black and not native american instead?

[@kye4216]

Why would they be Native American ?

[@edinpandzic5838]

@@kye4216 why would they be black?

[@babluprasad813]

@@edinpandzic5838 my reasoning would be that since valyria near sothoryos and the islands in south where people are more tanned then black is a possibility. I don't think Martin has written about any person looking like native american in GOT. Only other race we know which is similar to ours is YiTi who are asian looking

[@edinpandzic5838]

@@babluprasad813 no, the valaryian family has a description in the books already...the only difference between them and targaryens is that they are not dragon riders...they look the same

[@gooby214]

@@babluprasad813 Dude the people of Qarth are in the south, in the middle of a desert, and they're the whitest people in this universe, as white as milk itself. Not an excuse...Valyrians were never black nor dark-skinned, save for mixed people. Salladhor Saan for example is a Valyrian with olive skin and blonde hair.

[@doublestrokeroll]

Cool! I can see why they wrote them out of the show though. Sounds like they're just redundant.

[@JizzMasterTheZeroth]

Aurane Waters is Monford Velaryon.

[@AJD-LsUp]

I recently restarted GOT this video made me think. Where is the iron bank in HOD I’ve also never read any books love the content tho🫶🏻

[@bofawhatsbofa4593]

Blackwashing a whole house for clout🤣

[@kye4216]

It works better visually since it distinguishes them from the Targaryens. If both were white with blonde hair you would be able to tell them apart.

[@bofawhatsbofa4593]

@@kye4216 visually yes you can tell them apart, lore wise for book and show, it’s absolutely horrible and contradictory. And was only done so because the showrunners literally said they didn’t want a bunch of white people. As for the not being able to tell them apart, we could. Not like they all look alike in the face.

[@TheGiggles1989]

@@bofawhatsbofa4593 Well it's the show, where it makes sense. If you have a problem, go re-read the books. Fantasy and Sci Fi nerds ruin everything with the constant complaining like brats about adaptations.

[@bofawhatsbofa4593]

@@TheGiggles1989 it doesn’t even make sense in the show lore because in GOT this isn’t even referenced to have happened and or shown in the houses descendants. The show runners publicly stated they didn’t want a bunch of whites on screen. Yes i get it, you’re ok to be racist to whites. I’m not even white and see the DEI hire

[@leavemeal0ne378]

​@bofawhatsbofa4593 you being racist to blk ppl then cry about "racism" experienced by yts the irony

[@xax2952]

i wonder more where are they in house of the dragons

[@joeshmo4892]

They did not tare down driftmark and build high tide. They just built high tide and added another castle on the island of driftmark

[@robertcolontonio7775]

They were there, they just weren't originally black in Game of Thrones. That was just done to appease all the diversity whiners.

[@gooby214]

They did the same with Salladhor Saan. In the books, the Saans are Valyrians living in Lys.

[@LordJordanXVII]

The evolutionary timescale must be expedited in the world of ASOIAF.

[@LordJordanXVII]

If the thumbnail depicts ancestors/descendants, that is.

[@theprimo100]

I'd really like a What The Fuck Is That.

[@ryanarment5393]

My suspicion is that other houses such as Redwyne built up fleets and began to import and export from Essos. Without their monopoly on eastern trade, the Velaryons would lose much of their influence and the competition would reduce their wealth.

[@Maverick-ne3mr]

They blekkk lol

[@jayzhou104]

Another reason is there’s no more dragons so targareyrions no longer bond their family with valoryions, which is believed to have a higher percentage of magic to tame dragons, even though they can’t ride themselves

[@lapushka9388]

Honestly, the best place for a Targaryen to hide is amongst Velaryons.

[@jordonby]

New thumbnail goes hard ❤

[@fantasyhaven1]

Thanks fam

[@philiprayner]

what would happen in the current time line if house Valaryon and house Celtigar united as allies

[@TheCandyHole]

You say no spoilers but one implicit one is their house doesn't get wiped out. I totally thought they would reading F&B

[@gooby214]

They're currently fighting for Stannis

[@andrewmcgill9544]

In the show corlys days greatest power in realm. Driftmark is tiny. Hightowers and Lannisters have more cash by far. Corlys has no army

[@janellejulianajoy]

Where did you get that? Corlys Velaryon is the richest man in Westeros. This is in F&B, and it's due to Corlys trading ventures.

[@JongenAg]

@@janellejulianajoyno army

[@DunaEider93]

Shock how many people like this family. Shock They literally lost both of their children because of their bad decisions. (Son run away from them, and daughter for a bad birth that souldnt have happen if they hadnt marry her at 14 for.... o yes, more power) And they give their support to the 2 people they believe kill their son. Lord Velaryon is So easy to sway for more power, and Rhaenys os sassy and useless. Who also doesnt care how many people die for her actions as we saw in season 1.

[@Admiralmeriweather]

I like your ads a lot

[@fantasyhaven1]

Thanks

[@mikehall7189]

I want to buy shares in dollar snake club.

[@HorusHeresist]

I'd like to see Aurane helping Daenerys in ASOIAF. That would make sense if he would want to marry her also in exchange of naval support she needs. He can also be legitimised by her decree. But knowing G.R.R.M., I can assume that he will either die at the hands of Euron Greyjoy, or he will be betrayed by his own people and handed over to the Lannisters for a handful of coins. Yeah, and it will be told in three sentences in one of the Lannister POVs, not even Daenerys.

[@zacharychebuske3797]

The verloyans where black bc of the diversity quota u don’t gotta make up some deep reasoning behind it

[@shane1489]

I had assumed they got weakened supporting the mad king.

[@Lord-Phantom]

How about every house own and then become extinct in harrenhall

[@fantasyhaven1]

Sounds like a good video idea

[@whereswilliam488]

Poor that’s where. Guess I can watch the other 6:20 of the video

[@fantasyhaven1]

Poor and stanning the Mannis

[@rojvankoc7252]

They should make a 3th Valyrian household

[@nelsonmcduff5218]

Besides the fact that in the books the Velaryons are as pale as the Targaryens, it makes no sense for the Velaryons to be black in the show when you know that King Viserys I, Queen Aemma and Princess Rhaenys shared the same great grandmother, Alyssa Velaryon, yet the actors who played them were as white as all the other Targs.

[@emilybarclay8831]

Did it not occur to you that Corlys’s mother may have been a summer islander? The show doesn’t say the Velaryons have always been dark skinned. Just the recent generations

[@nelsonmcduff5218]

@@emilybarclay8831 Is this a joke?

[@homerc9101]

@@emilybarclay8831 but she wasn't, and mixing with foreigners would only devalue their position, their closeness to the targs comes from their generic stock,

[@emilybarclay8831]

@@homerc9101 where does it say she isn’t? Also, they’re literally a shipping and trading dynasty and one of Corlys’s first voyages was literally to the summer isles as a child. Clearly the Valyrians mix with other races since brown Ben plum is a descendant of that family. Aegon VI also had a summer island lover. The Velaryons had already married several outsiders by this point so by your logic their ‘stock’ was already devalued. By the time of Corlys’s birth the Velaryons hadn’t married into the Targ dynasty for generations, the last one being Corlys’s great aunt Alyssa, and there were enough legitimate Targ males for every female to marry a brother or cousin so why would they be focused on that when they could focus on trade relations since trade relations are what made Corlys so rich?

[@berserk9085]

​@@emilybarclay8831And why Corlys and his Brother didnt look Bi Racial? They are half Black after all according your Theory. And why the Series didnt explain that his Mother is from the Summer Islands? Dont lie to yourself.

[@BHSNetwork]

calling house of the dragon HotD is diabolical XDDDD