VELMA Review: Overly Edgy & Meta (@RebelTaxi)

I'm Pan-Pizza driver of RebelTaxi talking about Velma on HBOMax. When Scooby is not on screen people gotta ask where's Scooby?
0:00 Intro
0:30 There's chapters in this vid?
2:00 I dunno what to put chapters for
4:30 Dang I wish I can finish Disgaea 1
5:00 Why level up multiple D1 troops?
5:30 Or Pokemon for that matter
6:00 Just level up 1 pokemon
6:30 Grind endlessly in Disgaea
7:00 I want a Prinny
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#velma #scoobydoo #CartoonNetwork

[@RebelTaxi]

Back with a Velma side mission. Working on a big Strange Colorful Dreamcast Games Vid. What Dreamcast games to cover?

[@ironmaster6496]

-Rivals Schools 2 aka Project Justice, great gameplay and graphics, one of Capcom's most underrated fighters -Samba de Amigo and Dynamite Cop And...the rest are obvious choices like Jet Set Radio, Crazy Taxi and House of the dead 2

[@Epicman2010]

Go for ILLBLEED, you'll need a guide but Woody from Toy Story goes to hell to fight Sonic the Hedgehog.

[@The_AngelStar]

Power Stone 1 & 2 and/or Skies of Arcadia

[@thalassicizanami]

Id reccommend looking into Cool Cool Toon. its a Japan exclusive rhythm game made by snk with a super unique art style

[@CosmixReflection]

METROPOLIS STREET RACER

[@ArmaBiologica35]

"Because in a show with roaches having sex and weed jokes a talking dog is too juvenile" You could have ended the review right there.

[@monkey6207]

Thank you.

[@Launchpad05]

The hypocrisy never ceases to amaze me.

[@xdluck_xd7481]

Brian Griffin: Am I a joke to you?

[@taddad2641]

like..... have a bit of asupernatuarl element creeping into the story. then you could use that supernatural element to justify scooby existing. Mystery inc in fact did that. weird god alien ghosts that had a tendency to posses animals to commune with humans. They have it that these hosts will have children and some will retain sentience like they do. Scooby doo is a descendant of them and that is why he' sentient. They could ahve it that the reason brains are being stolen is cause some eldritch thingamabob likes to eat brains. ahve it that it traps the spirits. And have it that scoobie is one of the previous victims that possessed a great dane. Fuck have it that they have to use drugs to commune with him. Believe it or not using drugs has always been tied to religion and spirituality. foot in both worlds and such.

[@shinybreloom4027]

@@xdluck_xd7481 "Adult shows can't have talking animals!" > Brian > Every Family Guy Cutaway Animal > Roger >Every tenth character in Rick and Morty ???????????? ?????????? ????????????

[@eugeneimbangyorteza]

Velma could have said "It's Velmin' time" and it'd unironically be funnier than the "jokes" in the trailer.

[@Launchpad05]

Makes me nostalgic for 'Need More Plasma'.

[@thechef9443]

The waffle house has found its new host

[@Dig_Duke_SFM]

And episodes

[@danteshollowedgrounds]

Would have been painful but yeah sure I guess.

[@glassestarzan8702]

I am ashamed of how much this made me laugh

[@trainmaster997]

On meta humor, this (paraphrased) quote has stuck with me “Who is smarter? The person who runs into a wall, makes a joke about running into a wall, runs into the wall again, makes another joke about it, runs into the wall again and again and again, and doesn’t go on a cool adventure? Or the person who runs into the wall, recovers, and then goes on a cool adventure?”

[@Drax69420]

Oh hey, Sonic Dissected reference. Nice.

[@infinityheart_tm9270]

Speaking of running into wall. There’s also this(I promise this has to do with the topic at hand here) kzbin.info/www/bejne/qnLJmmOOYsh9l8k

[@miroslavzima8856]

Maybe that one who constantly run into wall (and the wall became his worst enemy) won´t get killed on cool adventure where there is super villain who will torment him for long time and then he dies. So that is pretty good question.

[@Chrom4Prez]

This is something my best friend told me a long time ago that for some reason left an impression on me. I asked her why she liked Scooby-Doo because I was never really into it, I found it kind of boring honestly. She answered, " I think I love their dynamic. It's a simple but charming concept. In a normal situation these stereotype characters would hate each other or at least not want to be around each other. But the one thing they have in common is their passion for mysteries, they all love hunting mysteries and genuinely treat each other well. They are true friends and also good people." After she said that I kind of understood the innocent joy she got from the series. That was its charm. With that as my only understanding of the Scooby-Doo series I could see this show was a mistake from the start. All the charm was stripped from it and replaced with the tropes of someone that's filled with distrust and a desire to watch other people fail as miserably as them. The funny thing is, there's a way to do all that right, and they missed at every shot.

[@pepesilvia429]

thats why one of my favorite Scooby Doo movies is the one where they just do Breakfast Club but with a mystery in the school

[@GamerNerdess]

Welcome to black people.

[@Fallenight987]

​@@GamerNerdessWhat?

[@raghnall847]

@@GamerNerdess Yeah no. This, right here, this is actual racism. Fuck off somewhere else

[@axiss5840]

Making every single character in adult animations a spiteful asshole to eachother is another aspect of the 'meta' shit that's plaguing media right now. It's why people seem to think old shows, like Scooby Doo, were just 'boring', because the characters didn't take every opportunity to shit on eachother for cheap jokes.

[@KINGBADASS100]

A Scooby-Doo show without Scooby-Doo is like Garfield without the cat

[@quppty.the.beatlemaniac]

garfield minus garfield

[@Launchpad05]

Garfield: Hey you, chewing the gum! I hope you brought enough for everybody. (except for me)

[@voiceofthelegion578]

HBO max presents: John.

[@chrismacias9674]

Stop giving them ideas

[@DrewPDrawerz]

@@quppty.the.beatlemaniac I actually liked those comics. It set a completely different tone just from removing Garfield.

[@kingbash6466]

The worst part about this whole thing is that shows like Infinity Train and Close Enough were out on the chopping block like they were nothing, but they still decided to keep Velma around. As if it had a special, unreachable quality that none of the other cancelled shows had.

[@KrodaStagg]

It was special alright, but more in a sense of, "I'm sorry my son ate your shoes, he's a little bit 'special'."

[@mario98730]

The wonders of Studios not wanting to green light anything without a world wide recognized IP :/

[@chimkegnnungetts9486]

oh but it does! the magical ingredient is "an established franchise that we can use to appeal to nostalgia for marketing"

[@AvahaulAtYourService]

Yeah! We lose Mao Mao to THIS?

[@Deepstab1]

The ones taking this desitions dont watch the shows, they are business majors and think themselves too good to do that, Thats why they suck at their job

[@vanillae91819]

I think that they need to realize that you can't just take a character, change everything about it, and pretend it's the same thing

[@ggt47]

You mean like any of those Disney remakes?

[@LotanLevant]

"You cheat off me in Spanish because you think I'm Mexican" is the only good joke

[@TAGanimation]

Remember people: Scooby-Doo not being in the show means he doesn't have to suffer the same shit as the other characters. I can't imagine how they would treat our favorite great dane. Edit: Thanks for the likes everyone!

[@strawberrylemonadelioness]

Probably similar to Groovy in Venture Bros

[@matthewfelix3714]

They'll probably turn him into a pitbull and have him rip off a toddlers arm

[@kirbeex3]

@@matthewfelix3714 scooby doo vs an army of toddlers, who wins?

[@DynoSkrimisher]

Thank god Scoobs isn't in this.

[@riddell26]

@Strawberry Lemonade Venture Bros did it better honestly

[@thehermit8618]

Someone on twitter pointed out that this show flopped while Harley Quinn suceeded despite having very similar comedy components because the characters in Harley Quinn behave in ways that feel like organic extensions of their pre-stablished personalities, somewhat comically exaggerated to both clash against regular people and to point out how crazy some of the DC premises are. This, in contrast, only supplant the characters' personality in favor of making snarky ocs that dont resemble the character they're based on in the least

[@Solo_Sessums]

Yeah with maybe the exception of king shark, but he's never been written the same way twice to begin with.

[@animezilla4486]

That's well said I just got done watching the episode and I got tell you it's cringy as hell Velma doesn't mean that like herself she complains a lot in the show

[@koichidignitythief7429]

Except King Shark. But we all love King Shark

[@DSpiritwolf]

I think what's funny about that too is all the characters in Harley actually get better over time and become less terrible people (morally) While I'm sure they could do that with the characters in Velma as well it doesn't feel right at all because the characters were never like that before and it just feels wrong to make them shitty.

[@pallasdiana4206]

I feel like the fact the main characters of Harley Quinn being villains, both in the comics and the show, helps us accept the immoral actions they take. It gives the show a sense of awareness that Velma doesn't seem to have. At least at the moment.

[@balloneyblows]

Glad to see Mike Tyson Mysteries finally getting some more recognition. Such an underrated show.

[@user-vg8ox3he1i]

Agreed!

[@Laxhoop]

In regards to them axing Scooby, because he was “too childish”, I’ll just refer everyone to this quote from C.S. Lewis: “To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence.”

[@willissudweeks1050]

Wow man that’s actually an amazing quote. A lot of people who go out of their way to be perceived as mature are the most immature in important ways.

[@ashkitt7719]

And CS Lewis was the guy who was like "Folks say the Bible is a fairy tale, so I'm gonna literally make a fairy tale based on the Bible" Not even Christian but Narnia slaps tbh.

[@ma.2089]

@@ashkitt7719 it slaps until the end. It kinda loses the magic by the end. Which makes sense since “Jesus” dies

[@Redspark77]

@@ma.2089 man you are one of the few that actually understands the intent.

[@cobracommander6606]

@@ma.2089 RIDE ME!

[@VeridisJoe]

you wasted NO TIME LMFAO

[@malayka2175]

YOU wasted no time making this comment lmaooooo

[@Keezawea]

@@malayka2175 you wasted no time replying to that comment lmao

[@mysticdoctor251]

@@malayka2175 You wasted no time relying to that comment

[@frogglen6350]

ikr I thought we would have to wait a month for pan to talk about this

[@opiumlover91]

nigget

[@IamJerf]

So the thing about Shaggy's real name is that he actually *hates* that name, which was the reason why he tells people to call him "Shaggy" instead mainly because of the style of his hair. The only people that call him by his real name are his parents and possibly the teachers at his school.

[@jampersand0]

So basically, the show's just dead-naming Shaggy the whole time.

[@Voingous]

@@jampersand0 No, not at all. The show is intended to be a departure from the source material, so they changed stuff. There are plenty of legitimate issues with the show that don't require making an ass of yourself to bring up.

[@Done25.]

And this show is suddenly so much worse than it already was.

[@PsychadelicWolf]

@@MadWatcher or they couldn't sell it unless they slapped a classic cartoon on top of it

[@Voingous]

@@MadWatcher Hi. You using transphobic terminology to describe a cartoon calling alternate universe Shaggy "Norville" is making an ass of yourself, the same way describing a cartoon flopping as "9/11-y" would be. Hope this helps, now carry on.

[@Talongirl333]

If they wanted a more adult show, they could have made the show a hardcore horror show. Maybe they’re college students or something & have to solve hardcore crimes. With animation they could get away with a ton more

[@justaghostinthesea]

That would've been great

[@Maxisamo1]

This was definitely Mindy's attempt of making a self-insert OC mystery show and then WB was like "Sounds like Scooby-Doo, make it Scooby-Doo, but without the dog" And then she angrily wrote the script with the most vain and vitriol possible

[@Xannyphantom905]

That's every streaming service original or reboot in a nutshell.

[@PercyK1ng]

I honestly like to think that way bc she actually makes good shows and she’s a good writer so I honestly don’t understand why she ( I know she’s not the only person in the writers room) wrote it like this.

[@medtle1]

Apparently, the people behind the show wanted to make an original show that starred a south asian female character but the studio didnt think it would be profitable and forced them to make a scooby doo show instead. This definitely explains why the show was written like this. The writers were pissed that they couldn't release an original show that starred a South asian female character, so they wrote the Scooby-Doo doo characters and the show that way to get back at the studio. We need to see the draft of the original show they wanted to release. [Edit: Apparently, the higher-ups also wouldn't let them add scooby-doo into the show. The higher-ups definitely set up Velma to fail.]

[@pugdad2555]

@@medtle1 it is always the vvhite CEOs fault. I wonder why everyone doesn’t blame them

[@medtle1]

@@pugdad2555 Because people would rather blame women, POC, and LGBTQ+ people than cis straight whyte men. Guarantee it was a group of vvhite men that forced the crew behind Velma to use the Scooby-Doo IP.

[@babyrodent]

What's weirder is that the show Supernatural-- a show that's definitely not for kids-- did a crossover with Scooby-Doo for an episode that had Scooby himself in the episode, but had more mature elements. But the difference is that it also doesn't treat the fans like ants, instead acting-- in a weird way-- a love letter to the franchise while also trying out risks as well.

[@JamesLawner]

Is it okay to watch that ep on its own without having watched like 5+ seasons of Supernatural?

[@rubynall80]

@@JamesLawner Yes.

[@PuppetMasterIX]

It's funny. A lot of people thought Scoobynatural was a recipe for disaster when it was announced, but then it ended up being simultaneously one of the best Supernatural episodes and one of the best Scooby-Doo crossovers ever.

[@dukeofwisdom9118]

It also did the satire better considering their meta jokes relate to how the show is different from the real world instead of how the the show is different from other shows

[@CAL_91]

@@JamesLawnerabsolutely it’s called scoobynatural

[@HeyMalan]

Glad everyone is in agreement that this show is awful and we can kick this show while it’s down

[@lowdistortion]

The show is bad that even the people it's geared towards (we know who I'm talking about) don't even like it! I mean seriously how bad do you have to be, for even those people not to like it 🤣🤣

[@ragingnoob3603]

@@lowdistortion yeah but those guys don't like anything.

[@lowdistortion]

@@ragingnoob3603 I mean true but they usually enjoy shows heavy on wokeness. But even they are complaining about this. Never thought I'd see the day

[@subifyouhatetiktokandreddit234]

@@ragingnoob3603 He's talking about the Twitter activist-journalists

[@lowdistortion]

@@subifyouhatetiktokandreddit234 them too.

[@blondeplants1133]

Moistcritikal had a theory that the creators of Velma actually really hated scooby-doo and so this was created. OR the other theory is that the creators are so upset that they couldn’t make their own original show they made this out of spite. Both of those theories become more and more true each passing day.

[@chrisdaughen5257]

I love your comparison between meta-humor and people who say emotions are chemical-based. Yeah, cliches and emotions are things that have been done countless times, but people will still enjoy them if they're done right. Pointing them out constantly will just make everyone bored.

[@samanthacarpenter3336]

I love how the Amazing World of Gumball handles their meta episodes. They just “happen” and the characters have to adapt to the situation at hand, and use it to twist the story instead of going into constant monologues on how meta the situation is.

[@eeveeofalltrades4780]

That's one of the shows where the humor isn't explained but it's very obvious the joke is there. The plot is basically driven by the jokes.

[@MasterAlpha1000]

Ok boomer

[@xXluluchanelXx]

@@MasterAlpha1000 on what planet

[@trollpng8828]

@@MasterAlpha1000 you are now invalid.

[@xilongma4794]

@@MasterAlpha1000 Bro time travelled from 2018

[@jlev1028]

Also, I knew this show wasn't going well when the first full trailer had black Shaggy say, "I would never use drugs" while staring and blinking at the viewer with a stupid smirk on his face. I hate when media insults the audience's intelligence by going, "Hey, did you get the joke? Did you? Did you? Did you?"

[@ubermaster1]

Sadly Mindy Kaling is very well known for making such targeted jokes towards different races. And I am so glad more people are noticing and calling it out cause she has been at it for years.

[@terrancekayton007]

I think you two are making 2 very good but different points. I agree with both of them, the 2nd point a little less.

[@marcohidalgo1101]

Wait that was Shaggy? His personality doesn't scream Shaggy to me. EDIT: NVM found out Pan called this out later in the vid.

[@jlev1028]

@@ubermaster1 I don't think that's what the joke was about. It was the showrunners shouting, "Get it? Because Shaggy always sounds and acts like a pothead! He's a hypocritical pothead! Laugh, damn you!"

[@Bionickpunk]

@@jlev1028 Shaggy being a pothead was a longstanding community inside joke...but they somehow messed up the utilization of this meta community joke.

[@electrobob992]

Now better idea for this series: 1. Have it follow a group of FANS of the original gang *Whom dispersed sometime after a mystery gone wrong* 2. Have the "velma" reading the biographies written by OG Velma. *Basically a similar thing that velma had for Ravencroft* 3. Have the new gang consist of: Nerdy Girl(Velma parallel), Weak Guy (Shaggy parallel), Valley Girl (Daphne Parallel), Jock (Fred Parallel), Dog (Scooby Parallel). 4. Have the dog actually be a tiny chihuahua that is actually the JOCK's dog instead, whom likes to stay in either his pocket. OR could make the jock carry a man-purse. Possibly give the dog a deep voice, like Kevin Micheal Richardson perhaps. 5. Have potential interactions with the original gang, reveal the OG Fred got framed for a string of murders final one being that of OG Daphne. *Shaggy became a chef who is a mix of Gordan Ramsey AND Anton Ego from ratatouille after falling out of love with food.* Scooby being a mean SOB, velma being a lonely schizophrenic in an old house, etc. 6. Have references to many old characters, maybe even giving Scrappy Doo a menacing role that DIRECTLY ties in to the live action movies. *Basically he captured the real 13th ghost and took it's powers, combining it with residual energy from the Daemon Ritus he was in. Becoming.. Scrappitious the shadow sorcerer*

[@FrostGlader]

One additional possibility for Scooby is that, to parallel Mystery Incorporated in some way, he’s locked up in a insane animal asylum, perhaps due to unknown genetic mutations that weren’t apparent when he was young, and that’s the reason Shaggy fell out of love with food. Maybe give the new gang the same naïvety that the standard cast does. (with the sole exception of the dog, who’s pessimistic and very much ignorant of any danger, that would be hilarious). Perhaps also keep the exact identities of the original cast a secret from the audience whenever they appear, but not too subtle. Overall far better ideas than what Velma did.

[@gota7738]

I dunno, 5 sounds a bit mean spirited in the same way Velma is and Scrappy bashing is overdone.

[@FrostGlader]

@@gota7738 not really anything new for the franchise, weirdly enough. Mystery Incorporated did it with the old group that came before the main gang.

[@gota7738]

@@FrostGlader The old group rather than the gang we know. On the whole, second generation stories where we find out the OG's you loved had miserable endings don't tend to get warmly embraced. Also I'm pretty sure a sniper will take me out if I say anything remotely critical about Mystery Incorporated, but it did also lean a tad meanspirited. Not overwhelmingly, and it balanced out with earnestness and played the harsher world as something to be overcome. However I am getting a little tired of snarkier Scooby Doo takes.

[@FrostGlader]

@@gota7738 I won’t shoot you down for an opinion lol, but yes, M-Inc was more pessimistic than other Scooby Doo series traditionally are. I think it was to better fit the darker tone the series as a whole has more than anything, but it can be a little mean to the characters at times (The Sheriff, for example, can be particularly mean). The Mayor is another good example: too blinded by potential fortune and publicity to allow the group to investigate people _literally getting kidnapped._ I think one of the funniest examples is the instance of Scrappy Bashing it has, acting like his existence was a traumatic event for the cast. It’s also why I mentioned “don’t make it clear that it’s the main group initially” in my main response comment. In M-Inc the Radio Host the Gang hangs out with isn’t initially known to have been part of the old group, and it’s only revealed when Velma notes that she knows a little too much about Crystal Cove to have only recently moved there. It could be something similar to that, with Shaggy being the common recurring character. Perhaps it could be an Alt Universe version of the Mystery Incorporated gang that never caught onto the Curse of Crystal Cove, and thus fell victim to it. And have the small dog be fully aware of it, including the cause and how to stop it, but not wanting anything to do with it. Have it be the cause of Velma’s mental issues (she was the main one interested in solving the curse). One possibility is if during a encounter with her in her home, the dog straight up mentions the coffin in passing, and that snaps Velma out of a crazed ramble, into a somewhat sane state of mind. I also think it would be funny if Fred was literally no different from how he was in Mystery Incorporated, but he still hasn’t moved on from Daphne’s death (still in the denial stage). Him being the only one who gets name dropped early in a way to prevent it from becoming clear he’s kinda not in the best way. I also know of the distaste towards the “OG’s Terrible Fate”, but it can be done. Perhaps have serious underlying tones, treat the audience like humans. Again: Shaggy fell out of love with food because it just didn’t taste the same without Scoob, and thus became an aggressive chef. Velma went insane trying to solve the Mystery of Crystal Cove, and became intensely afraid of something that isn’t there, Fred is still suffering from the trauma of Daphne’s death, and hasn’t gotten over it even after all these years. And Scooby Doo, with unknown mutations, has Shaggy trying to cure whatever it is that cause the change in his best friend. Perhaps also have it so Daphne hasn’t moved on herself, and her Ghost still exists in her old, abandoned family home, with her haunting creating illusions to protect Fred from the sad truth. Maybe the family is trying to sell the estate again during the series, but Daphne’s haunting is preventing it, with Fred being worried about her “leaving”. It could be played with Fred being introduced, going to visit Daphne, the House looking old and abandoned, but lively inside, with the dog, while Fred is out of hearing range, outright calling her death out and the place being haunted. Perhaps link it all back to that Curse, something that has canonically always caused these rifts in the groups of old, and have it so the group sets things into motion to stop the curse, eventually changing everything into a good state like they did in Mystery Inc, with the dog noting this.

[@oblivionfan345Tony]

Mindy Kalling was supposedly a writer for The Office too, some of the funnier episodes as well. I'm increasingly of the belief that she is a WINO, a Writer in Name Only. I have a feeling she sat in the room staring at the wall while the other writers actually wrote the funny bits

[@terrancekayton007]

It’s annoying writers think they can’t act, or host their own talk show, all of a sudden.

[@powpowouchy5]

That or she’s a one hit wonder…or getting less funny with age

[@aspaceproductions]

I think she basically disowned a lot of her work from The Office for being too offensive. So it could be she self sabotages because she's trying so hard to be PC

[@ma.2089]

I heard Mindy wanted a self insert OC show, and they forced her and the team to make it Scooby-Doo minus the Scooby-Doo. So it’s more likely she just does bad when restricted/when she’s very angry. I Rather she pulled a Lauren Faust instead of this

[@elfpi55-bigB0O85]

i mean there's more options here but idk if we're ready for that conversation yet

[@Mixedbag456]

At its best, Meta humor can be pure fun. And at worst, it's downright soul-sucking. Just some of the biggest groans you'll have.

[@louisduarte8763]

That's why I gave up on Rick & Morty after its 4th Season. Got too far up its own ass, and I could no longer stand the title characters' voices. Justin Roiland is a bad voice actor, THERE I SAID IT!

[@senacario5942]

I feel like animaniacs knocked meta humor out of the park

[@Space_Cowboy.22.]

This is why Chowder will imo be undefeatable when it comes to 4th wall jokes

[@da-vidcargill4975]

@@louisduarte8763 LIES ALL LIES

[@Max25670]

@@louisduarte8763 I've been saying that since Lemongrab on Adventure Time.

[@xblade149]

I saw someone write a much better 420 joke on Twitter. Shaggy: You do know what 420 is, right? Velma: 4/20 is Hitler's birthday. Shaggy: First off, not the 4/20 I was thinking of, and second, why the hell do you instinctively know that?

[@epickendall1]

That's way better and fits the characters

[@xblade149]

@@epickendall1 exactly

[@TheRedCap30]

It's a good attempt at making it funnier but it's still kinda bad imo

[@justinroux1610]

@@TheRedCap30 its also the anniversary of colombine school shooting

[@xblade149]

@@TheRedCap30 still better than actual joke.

[@flamm.e]

Ah yes making shaggy, the most well known character entirely different and not including Scooby is a TOTALLY good way for the series to go

[@asilva5021]

It's wild how Scooby has been in more adult themed comics yet the writers for this show took him out because they said he's too childish Wow

[@themilkman5004]

Velma and Harley Quinn are basically two different types of satire. Satire that’s in on the joke and satire that isn’t on the joke. The Harley Quinn writers obviously love the DC universe and pull some very deep cuts for characters and concepts while doing its own the thing with those characters. Velma from the two episodes I’ve watched thinks they are on a joke and understand it, but they do not. It comes off as “Look how stupid this thing is after I take away its most defining traits”. The most painful thing about this for me is I really like the art style of Velma

[@gamigross]

i feel bad for the artists and animators behind the show, it looks too good considering the terrible writing.

[@subifyouhatetiktokandreddit234]

@@gamigross How does it look good. An adult show not looking like a family guy rip off isn't an achievement

[@avon22889]

Jokes aren't funny if they have to be explained no matter how good looking the explanation is.

[@ChocolateBar999]

The writers of Harley Quinn are compensating over failing to get a spot writing for Cougartown throwing scripts together with no oversight. It's terrible and so is anyone that thinks that level of quality of writing and editorial is acceptable. Its funniest bit that isn't self-deprecating racism is stealing Doug Benson's Bane impression.

[@roundabout468]

@@ChocolateBar999 cope about it son

[@MM-xn6tn]

It's weird how they think a talking animal automatically makes something, "childish," *cough* Bojack Horseman *cough,* but from everything I've seen of Velma, it feels like what a bunch of wannabe-edgy, highschool freshmen would write.

[@EmperorFred]

Heh, now I'm just picturing a depressed, sarcastic Scooby Doo with Will Arnett's voice. In fact, the more I think about, the more amazing it sounds!

[@MM-xn6tn]

@@EmperorFred Will Arnett playing a jaded Scooby in a, "Behind the Laughter," parody show already has better potential. Get your shit together, HBOMax!

[@jaimejimenez3827]

hightschoolers? more like middleschoolers who have a college brother and think they are also too cool for kid shit

[@whyishoudini]

The way she portrays Fred its incredibly obvious Mindy is still salty about high school despite being at least 45

[@Deepstab1]

Im sure the writers room its full of the "hello fellow children! Who wants to rebel against the system? F*ck adulting right?" type

[@Iuxinterior]

the fact the more adult/sexual version of scooby purposefully has them aged down is sick

[@kimifw58]

Aged down from what? They were originally teenagers.

[@fhrbhthht968]

@@kimifw58they were 16 in the og

[@foty829]

@@fhrbhthht968 _That's still teenage years._

[@xNicKnight]

Leads me to believe they approved of this show to discredit animated shows as a whole so they can make Velma an excuse not to green light anymore animation.

[@jamilleyomtown]

That makes me sad. :(

[@SammEater]

A show purposedely made to fail so that WB doesn't need to waste more money with animations, considering how Hollywood works I wouldn't be surprised.

[@cedricfowler3465]

This makes me appreciate Venture Bros more. They parodied Jonny Quest and adventure cartoons but they still had love & nostalgia for those shows and made their characters human and nuanced.

[@eddierichard1104]

Respect for the original franchise is rule #1 for successful parody

[@louisduarte8763]

GO TEAM VENTURE! That show does not get enough love or attention! Which is probably why adult swim cancelled it

[@chynas99]

Hell even their own scooby parody was done much better.

[@bluewuppo]

venture bros was a masterpiece

[@bearerofbadnews1375]

Made me appreciate Shaggy and Scooby doo get a clue. Velma I think is the new low for this franchise. Second would be return to zombie island.

[@claudevandog]

I feel like this "modern meta adult" reboot of an old established property is gonna be to the 2010s/2020s what EPIC XTREME YO cartoon reboots were to the 90s

[@ashkitt7719]

And Velma is the Yo Yogi of our era.

[@gabe_s_videos]

To me, it's the exact same thing, except they explain the joke just to let you know that they're doing it "ironically." "The joke is that we're breaking the first rule of comedy by explaining the joke." Shoot me.

[@DashingSteel]

The fact that there's no "I can't see without my glasses" bit when she loses them honestly speaks volumes about the show as a whole. -It misrepresents Velma, who does that every time she loses her glasses in the original cartoon -It clearly shows that Mindy doesn't know that or doesn't care to preserve anything abput the original character except her looks and her wardrobe, which she also changes. - It misses the chance to subvert the trope ("Ah! I HATE when this happens! It always takes a stupid amount of time for me to find the damn glasses and I got in trouble because of it!"), not that it would be any good, seeing their numerous other attempts at doing so - Missed the chance to give a character like Fred a hint of likeability. Like, he's a huge douche all the time, but when Velma's glasses come off he just casually goes "here ya go" without hesitation, hinting that maybe after some development he won't be a dick anymore. Swing and a miss? More like no swing and no pitch!

[@battlion507]

Oh, no no no, it's missing the pitch, whiffing the bat out of your hand, and the bat flying into a person's face at the bleachers, while the person lost their teeth, broke their nose, gaining a black eye and is taking legal actions against the batter.

[@renvent123]

While Be Cool Scooby Doo didn't have the best designs, it was a whole lot better written. The gags were on the whole funnier, the monster designs were cool, it has some of the best chase music in the framchise, and it's arguably the show that best demonstrated how close the gang are. The first episode has a bit where the gang start ripping into each other at first only to end up praising each other in the end. Another has Fred, who was portrayed as a control freak in the show, willing to give up his leadership role for Shaggy, just so Shaggy can make his grandmother proud.

[@wdcain1]

_Mystery Incorporated_ was such a good show. It dealt with parental abuse, child abduction, and corporate power oversight.

[@JeffreyThrash]

So you're saying Mystery Incorporated was a REAL adult cartoon?

[@2-bit567]

@@JeffreyThrash It was a cartoon that wasn't afraid to be itself.

[@thehermit8618]

It was a cartoon unafraid to deal with adult topics tactfully and poignatly to keep the parents in the audience entertained as much as the children. In many aspects, Mystery Inc. is a way more mature and adult show than Velma will ever be

[@JeffreyThrash]

@@2-bit567 Those types of cartoons have become vanishingly rare since the late 90's.

[@JeffreyThrash]

@@thehermit8618 I was always impressed by cartoons that arguably get better the older you are when you re-watch it. People always complain about bad shows using social politics as a crutch for not actually having anything to say, but on the flipside "adult" cartoons in general seem to rely heavily on swearing and violence and sex to avoid having to actually take on adult topics that actually appeal to someone over the age of 13. For better or worse, KZbin's recent changes may require the majority of channels I watch to learn that the hard way, how to be "adult" without just swearing all the time as a comedic crutch.

[@Johnmrobinson-vb5vd]

Meta humor can work when it's not the entire shows identity making every joke a 4th wall break or pointing out tropes just makes the jokes less unique

[@WSendam]

Yeah that’s why I love gumball ❤️ it’s not always meta

[@ExaltedUriel]

A meta joke should be a surprise and catch you off-guard, not be expected every 5 minutes.

[@nothdmoon]

This show should look at Chowder, a kids' cartoon, known for its 4th wall breaks, that come at insane rates, nearly ALL OF THEM are different from each other, and they are actually hilarious!

[@Max25670]

@@nothdmoon It's because Chowder is creative with the 4th wall breaks. Like when Chowder lights the kitchen on fire and Mung Daal and shouts "now the animators have to animate all this fire!" Then you have a show like Big Mouth where the character literally says "hey there you watching Netflix right now?" Um yes? Ok, where is the joke?

[@tokokota9473]

@@Max25670 one of my favorites 4th wall breaks in Chowder was when Mung daal spend all of the money until they can't have any animation, then the Voice Actor have to raise fund by doing car wash to pay the animators back

[@TheSoulvian]

My problem with the whole meta-humor angle is that Scooby-Doo as a franchise has been doing that kind of humor on-and-off already for decades now. I want to say "A Pup Named Scooby-Doo" was when the franchise first leaned into making fun of itself and that was all the way back in the 80s. Plus it's been parodied by external media for ages too. The fact that this skews itself toward an older audience is (as far as I can gather) the only thing that makes it different.

[@lordlagomorph]

Others have said it better, but Scooby literally could've been a normal dog!! Literally even a cameo, a photo, like c'mon

[@Robin0928]

The problem with comparing Velma to Riverdale is that Riverdale was boldly a stupid show but played it totally straight, which was unintentionally hysterical. Every show that tries to rip off Riverdale tries to play it as a comedy without any of the unironic stupid charm of Riverdale

[@MasterAlpha1000]

Ok boomer

[@elderberryva9282]

EXACTLY THANK YOU. Riverdale is objectively a chaotic dumpster fire but there’s just so much surreal charm to it all, like HELL yea Toni just straight up evaporated and turned into La Llorona and it’s supposed to be a completely serious conclusion to a dramatic character arc, that fucking RULES, but all that charm is completely sucked away when it’s just like “*stupid thing happens* *looks directly at camera* WOW wasn’t THAT weird, it’s just SOOOO weird that we just did that, am I right guys”

[@Robin0928]

@@elderberryva9282 Like, "The epic highs and lows of high-school football" is objectively one of the worst lines ever written, especially in the context of that story-arc. BUT it's so goddamn stupid and played so seriously that I grin so happily for it

[@nikguimont8546]

Also Archie comics are kind of just charming yet boring so seeing it being turned a angst teenage age dumpster fire with cults’ evil millionaires and sex to bad pop songs makes it fun so trying it with a already crazy series like Scooby doo or trying make an original series just doesn’t work

[@snnnaaaaaakeeeee4470]

@@MasterAlpha1000 ?

[@kingxenomorph4702]

When I first heard about Velma I was actually hoping it would be like the supernatural episode scooby-natural having these cheery characters solve horrific murders and crimes while keeping the zany cartoon logic would be %1000 better

[@peterstangl8295]

YES! Finally, somebody agrees! Too bad the creators went with the edgy teen drama shit.

[@JeffreyThrash]

That would require being written by people who aren't bitter and angry at all times despite getting the world handed to them on a silver platter.

[@theothertonydutch]

I really wish it would have been good because I need a good thing and I've been rewatching 1960's Batman because that feels more self-aware but funny than this show.

[@JeffreyThrash]

@@theothertonydutch 1960's Batman is the definitive Batman to my Dad and me. How dare you even mention it in the same breath as Velma!

[@seventeenseventythirteen7465]

@@JeffreyThrash I'm sorry and I'm not trying to defend the show or the writers here but, do you know something about who these people are exactly? I'm not sure who the writers are but it's a bit presumptuous to say they're all privileged rich assholes who hate everything. That's a very weird thing to assume about someone who's just a bad writer.

[@mario98730]

The dumb thing is there a million ways they could’ve incorporated scooby. He’s the school mascot. He’s a figment of weed hallucinations from Shaggy, sorry NORVILLE. But like everything else in this show they didn’t take 2 seconds to think things through. This show screams “Mindy Kaling wanted to make an adult animated show and WB made her throw the Scooby Doo IP on it cuz they thought it’d help it sell”

[@lilyhawthorne1196]

Another thing: the plot in later episodes revolves around experimental brain transplantation. How did they accidentally write such a logical and in-universe explanation for Scooby's sentience and then ignore it?

[@paulburns7951]

This. This is what infinity train, close enough, mao mao, we bare bears, Craig of the creek and a few other shows got sacrificed for. This.

[@GhostGhosterson]

I feel like Mindy Kaling wanted to make her own Mike Tyson Mysteries show about herself without having watched Mike Tyson Mysteries And they probably thought it wouldnt work til she came up with the idea to just make it another scooby doo reboot and she made the character look and act more like her by changing Velmas design

[@bluewuppo]

you would need 10 norms to carry this show

[@SpiegelmanSzn]

It definitely reeks of “self insert” character. And I’ve seen a few TikToks of south Asian women being pissed about how Velma is being portrayed in the show.

[@dork7546]

They literally made all of the characters look like their VAs, not just Velma. This is yet another indication to me that the showruners of this series don't know anything about animation, nor character design. It honestly comes off as less of a vain, self insert project or a crazy woke attempt to force diversity in Scooby Doo and more of a bunch of normie celebrities being like "Duh, I am playing this character and you're playing that character, so it would make sense for them to look like us!".

[@HeyRavenousRaven]

@@dork7546 what you said there reminds me of Invincible doing that with some of its characters, especially Mark and Amber.

[@Aflay1]

How you gonna be a comedian for a living and a heavy weight boxer with no comedy background makes better self insert shows than you?

[@deadpoolnerd]

It's crazy realizing Lauren Faust is right. Animation today is like the 80s, from the celebs to priority big name franchises. And especially Animation being green light not for the merit of the show or quality of story but it's ability to translate to toys. Can I make a toy out of this thing. Kinda sad mainstream Animation has regressed this way.

[@joshstephens413]

Just wait for the boomers to die off.

[@samzilla567]

Craig McCracken tried to pitch 16 new IP ideas to Netflix and all of them got rejected so he's forced to go back rebooting Foster's and PowerPuff Girls which both instantly got greenlit. This chase towards sticking to old IP's is going to run dry very quickly.

[@theothertonydutch]

You can make a toy out of me and turn it into a show. Come on, let's make some BANK.

[@MasterAlpha1000]

Ok boomer

[@thesquishedelf1301]

I ain’t even a kid and I would 100% go out and buy an Infinity Train toy set at Toys R’ Us (if they existed anymore) right now. And yet that show is dead and we have whatever Velma is. They had a franchise they could’ve milked and they just… didn’t, in exchange for a franchise that has already been bled dry and nobody’s willing to let die so it can be reborn again in a couple decades.

[@zephaniahdejene1746]

They could've made this realistic without sacrificing all the characters personality to their studio overlords

[@opo3628]

I, too, found it absolutely hilarious that the showrunners claimed that adding in Scooby-Doo would've made Velma "too cartoonish"...when every second of the show itself is unabashedly cartoonish.

[@allendepacheco3419]

You know, I remember when Be Cool Scooby Doo came out, a lot of people thought it was some type of family guy knock off. While the art style sucks, it was genuinely the most hilarious show I had ever seen. The writing was incredibly tight as if Phineas and Ferb writers wrote this show. Velma on the other hand looks really nice, but the writing is just have the most generic adult humor. Like Be Cool has family guy art style but good writing while Velma has good art style with family Guy writing. Damn

[@chompskyhonk952]

I was pleasantly surprised by Be Cool, if only because I expected the absolute worst because of the Brickleberry-esque art style.

[@randomango2789]

Hehehehe adults watching kids cartoons

[@catholiccontriversy]

Be Cool surprised me as well when I gave it a shot, and really is a shame they didn't put more effort into the designs since it lost most everyone with that.

[@user-io9hj9ip2d]

let's not pretend be cool scooby dumped on boomerang doo was actually good it was trash then and it's trash now

[@DavidDumbedDown]

@@catholiccontriversy Your comment was made at 17:24 o clock

[@WeegeeSlayer123]

I'm actually glad Scooby was excluded from this, so that way his character wouldn't be assassinated by the abysmal humor of this show. He's too innocent and likeable for this.

[@theothertonydutch]

I wish Mystery Incorporated was somehow continued.

[@rangikumatsumoto3143]

To be fair, shaggy in this more or less nice guy. So maybe his hypothetical scooby would be too.

[@Launchpad05]

Sadly, they got Frank Welker to do this.

[@sgtmuffinbadger6147]

Go team Venture

[@WyattoonsComics]

I wouldn’t be surprised if one of the writers also wrote that “anime fans on prom night” joke.

[@laneminor6240]

It's really funny that HBO has ownership of Mike Tyson mysteries and decided they would rather do this than fund another season of that. Edit: I'm also sure that Netflix is laughing manically with Wednesday...

[@ShadowLady1]

I like that the reason for Velma being South Asian is so the producer can just use her as shameless self insert

[@bigblue344]

Ironic seeing how in The Office wasn't she only hired in the show to fill off diversity boxes and so the show can make fun of that? And now it's what is happening meta wise and played straight?

[@dork7546]

I kind of doubt this was really the intent, seeing how literally all of the characters in this show were made to look like their VAs, not just Velma. But what does this really tell you about Kailing as a showerunner? That she has no knowledge about animation, nor character design, what's so ever and thus, just told the character designers to make each and every one of the characters resemble their VAs cause that made more sense to her, as a live action writer and actress? We shouldn't shit on Kailing for this supposed attempt to self insert herself into the show, we should shit on her because she was handed her own cartoon series with full creative control, despite lacking any skilset for this job, because shet gets to enjoy the nepotism that comes with being a Hollywood celebrity while us, aspiring cartoonists can only dream of ever achieving anything like this in our lifetime.

[@riddell26]

Oh like the Starfires daughter comic. 🤮

[@gracekim25]

Wait is that GENUINELY the reason?!

[@Foreseer117]

@@dork7546 If you've watched any Mindy Kaling shows post Mindy Project it's apparent it's all self insert. S*x lives of college girls, never have I ever, and velma all star a South Asain/Indian female lead who has a white guy fetish, has a know-it-all complex, and treats other women poorly. If this was an isolated incident I would be saying what you are but Mindy can only write self-inserts.

[@tomtheconqerur]

That family guy parody is unironically a better version of Scooby do than Velma.

[@MasterAlpha1000]

Ok boomer

[@nyuckkamoments12]

@@MasterAlpha1000 what do you mean that 30 or so seconds of nonsense is better than anything velma could produce

[@nikguimont8546]

Agree

[@normanclatcher]

The _Teen Titans Go_ parody is a better version of Mystery Inc than this.

[@sonicfanboy3375]

@@normanclatcher Any parody of Scooby Doo is better than this

[@gokuxsephiroth4505]

I'm so sad for those poor animators who did those awesome trip out scenes. Imagine those same scenes in something good...

[@ThatguycalledJoe]

I think the worst way Scooby could've been in this show is if he were an insufferable cynic who never shuts up about having been castrated and wants to kill Norville over it, but he doesn't because that'd result in him getting put down so he wants to make it look like an accident. And then it turns out he's the murderer because he's just that bent out of shape and nobody would ever think to tie those spree killings to a dog that has no personal relationship to the victims whatsoever. Alternately the murderer is Scrappy because sure, make him the friggin' bad guy again.

[@mesousagaby740]

6:19 Wait, they're not aged up?! I thought they were! Then again, all of the Scooby stuff seems to always have them be 16 no matter what, they REALLY don't want them to be adults. Camp Scare gave Velma and Daphne rather gratuitious swimsuit scenes. Also, Mindy Kaling is also the voice of Disgust in Inside Out, so it makes that awkward "adults watching cartoons" joke just...even stupider than it already is. She was in a fucking Pixar movie and thought "Yep, this is funny."

[@providence1517]

I find it funny because Santa Inc., the woke crap that came before this, had Sarah Silverman, who was Vannelope in Wreck-It-Ralph.

[@mttylerdurden9]

They were adults In the first 4 Scooby doo direct to video movies

[@jeremyknight9980]

The late 80s TV movies and the late 90s direct to video movies really gave the impression that they were at least in their mid 20s. No way a 15 to 17 year old Shaggy drove to the south, got a job as a gym teacher, bounced from job to job while Velma ran a book store and Fred and Daphnee did a tv show together.

[@deepfried-dumbass1579]

it’s weird how they’re not college students or something i think that that would have been a better choice

[@mttylerdurden9]

So is Velma technically an anime?🤣🤣

[@iSquishy89]

Mystery Incorporated was the prefect blueprint for an adult Scooby-Doo reboot. Instead we got this.

[@rook6591]

It's extremely weird that the creators of Scooby-Doo, Ken Spears and Joe Ruby, literally both died within months of each other in late 2020 before this went into production. Atleast they didn't have to see how their work was destroyed.

[@aldxbaran]

Reminds me of how when not too long after Stephen Hillenburg passed, they greenlighted shitty Spongebob spinoffs that he would have hated. Very gross practice

[@joshuabautch8936]

... wasnt scooby doo made by William Hanna and Joseph Barbara tho? actually I looked it up and they Ken and Joe were employees of Hanna Barbera

[@rook6591]

Ken and Joe created the original Scooby-Doo series for Hana Barbera productions. William Hanna created Tom and Jerry and then founded the production company with Joseph Barbera. Hard to say you created something because you owned the production company.

[@SammEater]

Kinda like how they waited for Christopher Tolkien to die before greenlighting that horrible Rings of Power show.

[@seronymus]

@@SammEater I'm noticing an evil trend here. Copyright laws must change.

[@organicketchup5171]

As far as mature Scooby-Doo interpretations go, ‘The Venture Bros’ had a parody where Freddie was Ted Bundy, Daphne was Patty Hearst, Velma was Valerie Solanas and Shaggy was “Sammy” (AKA David Berkowitz or the ‘Son of Sam’), with Scooby being a dog only the latter could see or hear speaking. It was really fun, but it was unfortunately just a one-off.

[@joshuafreeman3609]

“I think it has something to do with drugs… which I hate!” *pause for blink* I hate this joke so much. You can just see how smart the writers think they are written across his dead, vacant face

[@krocialblack]

Mystery Incorporated could have served as the perfect foundation for a Velma spin-off. They wouldn't have to change a thing. Like Velma and Hotdog Water on their adventures together.

[@jturner2577]

I'd watch especially if it was revealed both remembered the original timeline and it being one of the reasons they have PTSD.

[@HeckmanFT7]

The scariest thing about it is this is from the same studio that gave us Looney Tunes Cartoons, the Animaniacs reboot, Batman: The Brave and The Bold, and Green Eggs and Ham 💀 And yet the Animaniacs reboot and a lot of shows are way, WAY better than Velma

[@Bionickpunk]

Actually, it makes sense that they made Animaniacs reboot, since that one was also a trainwreck.

[@HeckmanFT7]

​@@Bionickpunk you take that back, the Animaniacs reboot is amazing

[@metaz4773]

Pan I’ve been rewatching a lot of your vids. I love the editing style and look so much. It’s just all so rad and chill and funny! You’re use of footage from commercials and timing gives it a sense of nostalgia yet a new twist that makes it feel new too. My absolute favorite is the Clerks one heh. Love your work and thank you for uploading videos! 😭😭💖

[@Megarover]

Velma feels like a show made with the hope that Mindy Kaling having been in The Office would be enough for it to succeed and Scooby Doo isn't in it probably due to them being worried that he'd justifiably steal the spotlight given even a basic joke with him would be funnier than the meta humor.

[@dub7088]

Mindy sucks

[@ChaosUnfold]

Admit it: This show wouldn't have any chance of existing without the Scooby Doo trademark.

[@Recidivous]

Au contraire. I think it would have done a little bit better if it was its own original IP.

[@Kimch87]

Someone pointed out that it would actually be better if they just made it a straight up parody instead. That way they would dodge all negative feedback on changing all the characters. By using the Scooby IP, they force the viewers to compare it to the other shows and point out everytime it's different, which is an even bigger problem when the most apperant thing like the main characters are nothing like what they used to be and not in a good way either.

[@Bionickpunk]

@@Kimch87 Blare Witch Project Scooby Doo was an example of a Scooby Doo parody done right.

[@tylerdoesstuff6834]

There was already something like this. It was called Daphne and Velma, pretty sure it was a direct to video movie (I could be wrong about that though) and it focused on the two of them before Mystery Inc was founded. I'm pretty sure Scooby himself wasn't in it either. And it also only got a meh reception. So trying something like that again wasn't a good idea from the start.

[@princeofalbany]

3:43- and that is one of the saddest things about a lot of recent media. Instead of just coming up with new ideas and giving them a chance, people want to keep remaking the same stuff over and over. Sometimes it turns out okay but othet times it just ends up being soulless.

[@171QA]

Wait, they thought Scooby would be too childish but making the mystery machine and the phrase “zoinks” drugs was smart? Okay...

[@d.c.stranded7134]

Okay that's kind of funny that they got Frank Welker to not only voice Fred's dad but he's also using his Megatron voice

[@Galax-Z867]

I enjoyed reading your chapter titles for this episode. It's very relatable and speaks to me on a spiritual level.

[@LeeAllanSpades]

Oh my God... The best way to do an "adult" Scooby Doo character is as some kind of hallucination that only Shaggy can see

[@FoolsGil]

I wonder what if they just had Scooby as a normal non talking dog that was trained as a hunter's dog

[@Bauglir100]

If Scooby doesn't talk, it might as well be any random dog.

[@brainthebrian3690]

Having a Scooby that's not actually Scooby? Perfect, he'll fit right in.

[@gunterxvoices4101]

I can really tell that whoever made the show wanted to make a detective sitcom, but couldn't get any networks to greenlight it. So they just retrofitted it onto Scooby Doo and the writter didn't know how to add Scooby into the actual plot. That's just by intuition.

[@davidhong1934]

This is a spot-on description of how Pixar made _Cars 2_

[@phragrunt5680]

I want a edited version of this entire show with velma and shaggy with their original look

[@papapurpl3746]

Your channel end cards and your art is always going to be aestheticly pleasing. Absolutely love the y2k style so it's awesome seeing them in your videos 😁

[@masterseal0418]

I find it hilarious that Kaling wasn't associated with Scooby-Doo, but admitted the title character is "too childish", and made this as David Zyslav snuffs out anything on HBO Max, especially with Looney Tunes recently. I had hope for this but not anymore; it felt like Velma was another generic adult cartoon nowadays. I mean, adult versions of Hanna-Barbera shows worked when Adult Swim became a thing more than 20 years ago, as Williams Street was created. So it continues to go wrong as of the 2010s to present. HBO Max is gonna go down the toilet, but there is still hope. Same goes with Netflix animation.

[@JeffreyThrash]

I have hope for Netflix animation, as Del Toro's Pinocchio, Sonic Prime, Arcane and the Sea Beast show they at least half-care about animation fans, if not the animators behind their shows (The cancellation of the second season of Inside Job right after they fully finished everything is cruel, though I fully agree with Pan's take that the show wasn't top-tier, just good at best). It's tough to imagine HBO Max doing much better, though. I almost got a subscription myself last year, but Zaslav just kept removing everything old and new on it and I can't subscribe to perhaps the most expensive streaming service out there if it's going to take away content while asking for my money. Worse, Zaslav is also planning on periodically hiking up the price despite the service offering customers far less than they did merely a year ago, just because Disney Plus and Netflix are doing it and his team feels they should do that, too. I just don't see how removing everyone's favorite content (including live-action DC stuff) combined with drastically increasing subscription fees is even remotely sustainable for any streaming service business. Even if Velma inexplicably becomes a viral success like Amazon Prime's Rings of Power and non-gamers enjoy the shot-for-shot remake of The Last of Us's cutscenes HBO Max, that's just two popular shows that might stay while hundreds of other more-popular stuff leaves.

[@creed8712]

I would like to point out animation like this is the reason he had to cull everything off the platform. I assume the only reason he didn’t axe this was because they’d call him racist

[@BugsyFoga]

The literally only thing that interests me about this show is that Dennis from it’s always sunny is playing Fred, that’s about it .

[@Dommbuscus]

Goes to show a great actor doesn't always translate into a great *voice* actor

[@harogenkitnsg2474]

it's like The Office and Always Sunny crossover I always dreamed of. Also unrelated fun fact but Oscar's actor appeared in an episode of Always Sunny too

[@anrick1362]

@@harogenkitnsg2474 didn’t we already get that crossover when she was leading the gang for a whole episode?

[@adeptdamage3669]

The F-R-E-D system.

[@mrboerger1620]

Norville

[@Not_Ciel]

6:23 I’m honestly surprised more people aren’t talking about this part. It’s literally a show where Fred is the oldest at 17 and they open with a “fan service-y” group shower scene of 15 and 16 year olds? The fuck???

[@schemar17]

It's slowly becoming Normalized just like with cuties

[@kimifw58]

Isn't that the age range of the target demographic?

[@kimifw58]

@@schemar17 My previous reply to you got deleted because KZbin is as clueless as you are about this subject, so I'll try again and censor it. "normalized"? These days, being attracted to short women is considered p*d*philic. At this point, I'm afraid I'll be marked as a se* off*nder if I so much as draw a teenager in a bikini!

[@kimifw58]

@@schemar17 Also, Cuties was immediately blasted and banned from the whole internet for se*u*lly expl**ting real life ch*ldr*n. That's not "normalizing." It's smothering and hopefully bringing justice to those poor girls. And you're comparing that to a _drawing._ I sometimes wish I was as oblivious as you are, but we live in a sick world, so we have to really learn about p*d*ph*lia instead of covering up anything that potentially resembles it.

[@Bionickpunk]

Pedophiles run media companies.

[@strikermodel]

Bro using the starfox 64 pause sound effect knocked me back into 1998 harder than a semi truck.

[@vanveleca]

the theory for this show originally being pitched as a original series would make so much sense, despite all the references and meta jokes most of the "self aware" Scooby Doo gags feel like they were inserted after the fact or like the writers didn't even watch any of the (at the very least) popular Scooby Doo media

[@TheLakabanzaichrg]

Because the writters only had the core idea, otherwise the show would have good writring spoon-fed references or not

[@daniexists6]

Y'know, this is just reminding me that of all shows to really get the tone and characters for Scooby Doo right, it was Supernatural. That crossover was kinda like this in terms of humor but it also stayed true to what made the original show amazing, kept the characters as is and did their due diligence while also making things probably the most fucked up possible, and that's even compared to Zombie Island. It also shows that Mindy saying they couldn't use Scooby because it'd ruin the concept is a crock of shit because he was right there, front and center in an episode of a show filled with murder and gore while still acting like.... well, Scooby. Plus the scene where they find out that Sam and Dean really do fight actual monsters and that people are dying around them and they just lose their shit was genuinely more hilarious than anything Velma cooked up.

[@Del_Yanamme]

It gets worse when you realize it’s just like the star fire daughter thing we’re it’s just another self insert

[@glimmerkepu]

It's shocking Warner Bros greenlit this show when they were so picky that Scooby Doo remain child friendly just a few years ago. I'm not a big fan of the redesigns but the art and animation team clearly gave it their all and I'm sad that the chance for a good looking animated Scooby Doo that can actually involve murder got wasted on this and execs will probably walk out with the wrong idea.

[@MasterAlpha1000]

Ok boomer

[@realmothchu]

@@MasterAlpha1000 why are you replying this on every single comment?

[@eddiew.4650]

Was this before or after the live action movies?

[@Ambipie]

It's still child friendly, it's just slapping on a rating. This is "edgy" drivel.

[@glimmerkepu]

@@eddiew.4650 The live action movie was initially pitched as adult oriented which is why some jokes in the script slip through (like the weed and sex jokes) but Warner Bros decided to heavily edit and censor the film to market it to kids (cleavage being digitally censored for example), they did a similar thing with the direct to DVD movies if I recall correctly they let go the writers and directors which also worked on Mystery Incorporated.

[@Rosales3269]

6:42 Heck, they even crossed over with Supernatural. And THAT was something!

[@AmethystOrlando]

What stinks most is that there's a lot of potential for a atmospherically spooky Nancy Drew style series set within the world of Scooby-Doo & having a slasher villain for a g-g-g-ghost is such a breath of fresh air. Shame it had to drown in the painful humour & pillow-screaming nastiness we ultimately got.

[@elretrahd]

The final real Villain has got to be the old Velma, Shaggy and Scooby angry after realizing all their life was just a show and they were replaced

[@Keezawea]

I just want a new show like Mystery Incorporated. That show was pretty good.

[@yukiyagami9744]

They could have just made his own characters and stories (judging by how different they are from their counterpart that wouldn't have been too hard) and surely the show would have some succes. But no, they had to take the characters we all know and love and do this to them.

[@spectscrawlz_]

The worst part about this is that the art of the show is (mostly) *good*. The artstyle is actually decent and distinct, and the dramatic lighting of some scenes makes it very visually interesting. My condolances to all the artists who worked on this show and had their efforts overshadowed by the fact it's so horribly written--

[@mjjjermaine]

+

[@saltdad5263]

literally. when i saw the first few seconds i was like "oh this looks really good, maybe it wont be so bad" but then it instantly starting preaching on all the viewers and all hope was lost

[@cassidy8307]

I'm surprised people like it; I hate it for the most part. The faces are so ugly and unappealing. The lighting and backgrounds are good sometimes, but I really dislike the rest.

[@spectscrawlz_]

@@cassidy8307 yeah i can see why some people don't like the artstyle that much, honestly there's some parts of it and some character designs i don't even like. Still i think we should give it credit for not just replicating the Family Guy/Rick n Morty artstyle like every other 'adult' cartoon has been doing these past years--

[@saltdad5263]

@@cassidy8307 yeah i dont care about the faces for sure, i was mostly just talking about the backgrounds (specifically the more ambient looking ones if that makes any sense). the way everyones faces are drawn is just painfully generic to me. i dont know why so many modern cartoons (not all, obviously) share the same art style tropes, and although there are some shows that pulled it off really well, most others just look really bland to me, including this one.

[@Chrisdorian17]

Shaggy looked like the person who consumes drugs, this new one looks like the one who sells it

[@yugijak]

See the secret to parody is this little known invention called RESPECT. Give it. Get it. Don't. Won't.

[@dani_dupae]

The fact that I got a Velma ad before watching this 😂

[@TheBattlesword]

The question that comes to my mind was not "Who asked for this?". The idea of a more mature Scooby-Doo spin-off isn't that bad of an idea given the amount of mature Batman shit out there and the old movies from the early new millenium almost getting it. No, the question that comes to my mind is "Why did Mindy Kaling think this was the way to go, and why did no one stop her?"

[@TheLakabanzaichrg]

The suits gave a no name actress the chance to let loose all her ego with this cheap low risk production so she gets the illusion of having her cred up while the execs make profit from stock sales

[@dub7088]

Get woke go broke

[@jayceallen6530]

Sucks that we get cartoons like this and its rare for me to find a cartoon that interests me these days, feels like a drought with things being cancelled or ending already, owl house and monkie kid were some of the only recent things that have interested me

[@MasterAlpha1000]

Lmao ok boomer

[@albertocamilomejiaroldan6116]

Watching bluey.

[@crowzet0]

try arcane and cyberpunk edgerunner

[@deathengrimm2058]

“I think it has something to do with drugs, which I hate” I can not express how much physical pain I felt after that line. I had to go to the E.R. for fuck sake

[@macuna1995]

Missed opportunity for *a Scooby Apocalypse cartoon.* I loved that comic series, there was character development and emotional weight.

[@Signedcentaur]

When a show makes Fred mean (and voiced by the guy who plays Dennis from It's always Sunny), then you know something is wrong

[@maxresdefault_]

Thanks for a nuanced take on this show