Veloci-Ramp-Tor Upgrade - Improving the Precon Commander Deck with $300

[@thriftypsgr]

When you can do a $300 upgrade and have money left over to add all the fetch lands, you know the precon was solid out of the box!

[@thriftypsgr]

About $100 of the upgrade is lands that I already have for other decks! Super economic upgrade. I love it

[@thriftypsgr]

The end hit what I want to do. I popped Gish at prerelease and want to use this precon to build her lol

[@GuysThatMagic]

It’s a super fun deck right out of the box!

[@YoungMakaveli07]

I have this deck, but it's not fully upgraded with all these yet, and it goes nuts!!! Love getting the Hunting Velociraptor out early and just dropping big dinos with the prowl cost. I have had friends ask me to play my upgraded Slivers deck instead of this one because it's so good. For sure, this is a solid Power Level 8.

[@therealjif]

I think Garruk's Uprising does solid work in this deck, as well as cards like boros charm for some added protection on top of heroic intervention

[@solarupdraft]

a surprising number of mid-sized dinos don't have trample. that added trample damage can apply a lot of pressure

[@blackfox1810]

Agreed on Garruks Uprising, however, when trying to make decks like this work, I would always try to put synergy first. Heroic Intervention is great, but what about Ephemerate, which is protection AND a way to trigger Pantlaza again.

[@adamw.5491]

⁠@@blackfox1810 I added Ephemerate in my deck. It works well.

[@Russiancow602]

Explore adding Eerie interlude as well for full board protection, also garruks is good

[@ZeroG]

Trumpeting Carnosaur belongs

[@3LimbedHero]

Add "Savage Order" so you can tutor Apex Altisaur for a one sided board wipe since savage order gives it indestructible for a turn.

[@LordT]

finally! a channel, suggesting big buck upgrade ideas! Love all your videos!

[@GuysThatMagic]

Thanks for watching! Sometimes the extra money is needed to really make these decks better

[@mfweldz-yd4ul]

What do you guys think the power level of this deck is if you were to add cards from both upgrade videos? Just got back into the game after 20 years.

[@ctyhallcoolio]

I’d like to know as well bump for a response

[@icon4669]

A solid 8

[@drinkerson3451]

I do agree that Gishath is the better dinosaur commander overall. With Pantlaza, you really want to lean into cheesing the Discover mechanic as much as possible to cheat lots of dinos in. You can use blink effects, which let you circumvent the "once per turn" clause on Pantlaza, since it counts as a new instance of that card after blinking. Another route (or can be used with the blink strategy) is flashing in dinosaurs during each turn (including opponents) to get extra Discover triggers on those turns. Obviously, leaning into those strategies would probably require the deck being overhauled.

[@lovesickpoet99]

this deck is nuts with etali as well! Great upgrade!

[@theblueburrow1801]

Fun trick with From the rubble! Add nesting grounds and remove the finality counter onto another permanent..idk say your opponents permanent??

[@MrGrimord]

Finally a channel that dont focus on casual budget upgrades of precons. Great job guys. I would like to see $500 upgrades of precons one day ;)

[@GuysThatMagic]

Haha we only do the $100 and $300. But who knows what can happen in the future!

[@zemrpereira]

At that point, it's not an upgrade, it's a redo hahah

[@ctyhallcoolio]

Or bigger I’ve got plenty of ink in the printer

[@andygoody2599]

Do you need another piece to stop the loop of Poly Raptor and Marauding Raptor? That sounds infinite with no exit so you would stall the game

[@GuysThatMagic]

It would go infinite and the game would end in a draw. Make sure Wrathful Raptors is on the field as well!

[@yaramus97]

⁠@@GuysThatMagicif there are still 3 opponent players in commander playing would this polyraptor/marauding Raptor/wrathful raptor combo go through all players until there is no more to attack?

[@nanideckard]

Thanks for this guys. Pretty cool additions and now it looks more like the one i built myself. On regards "Up the beanstalk", I really preferred "Elemental bond" that is one colorless more expensive, but more consistent.

[@mileswheeler6096]

I chose to run guardian project over up the beanstalk

[@murraybro1]

So with polyraptors and marauding raptor, do you get an unlimited amount of ployraptors? Like a copy creates its own token and that token makes a token and so on and so forth until you have as many as you want?

[@stillwellstillhere1374]

Personally I find Gish so easy to deal with, even as a mono red specialist. You will be dead by the time you cast it, and I'll remove it anyways if you somehow survive the constant burn damage from playing your deck. Oh and the other players are going to exile it if i dont get the chance to melt it. Path and swords are in every deck at our tables. I cant see it working. Pantlaza on the other hand is exactly what it needs to be. Im going to continue to use this commander and have the other dinos in the 99.

[@paultrujillo8539]

Agreed I feel like my play table would be the same and just exile and make it cost more every time so I don’t get the trigger

[@BaileyOlsen]

Flaming Tyrannosaurus would have been a good fit with the discover mechanic. Wondering the reason why it wasnt considered. Fairly new to Magic in general so curious.

[@adamw.5491]

I’m looking at adding coat of arms to my deck. With the whole goal of putting as many Dino’s on the field as possible, casting coat of arms gives you +1/+1 counters for every other creature on the field that’s the same type. 5 Dinos and every dino gets +4/+4 it’s easily a game ender with all the triggers and abilities in the deck.

[@paulaaraujo9812]

i dont think that is necessary, dinos are already big

[@adamw.5491]

@@paulaaraujo9812 that’s true.

[@ryanfournier9522]

I still don’t understand the wakening suns avatar cut. Best case it’s a board wipe. Worst case you discover it and put it in your hand and it’s a board wipe next turn

[@klaiken989]

Ua, I woild like some explaining on that one. That is Crux of fate for Dragomsnbut Dinos im creature form...

[@korrimartin1974]

Id like to see yall play the 100 and 300 dollar upgrades against each other i think it would be a fun eatch

[@GuysThatMagic]

We do that! Our $100 gameplay is being edited as we speak!

[@kennethdeming4015]

Love both videos great balance on what to do. I do have a question though? If you click on the moxfield link it takes you to the deck list. However Arch of Orazca is now in the deck but wasn’t in the video?

[@IamBradofEarth]

How do you guys feel about adding the new Ghalta stampede tyrant? And if so what would you take out of the final list to add her?

[@GuysThatMagic]

I thought about it for a long time. I suppose if you wanted to swap out Ghalta for Ghalta then that would make sense.

[@IamBradofEarth]

@@GuysThatMagic what was your reasoning for not using it?

[@GuysThatMagic]

I felt like I wanted all my creatures out of my hand so I could take advantage of my commander's discover mechanic, so the new Ghalta wanted a good amount of creatures in hand to really take advantage of that ability. That being said, you could still have the many ways to cheat Ghalta in early and take advantage but I just didn't feel the need for it here. Totally a good option still! -Hunter

[@Toughmanpaws]

Would chimil the inner sun be a good upgrade? Pulled one & thought it might go well

[@havenwichelns5278]

The absolute BEST part about the OG Tyrannosaurus is that it isn't legendary! No legend rule baby, copy away!!

[@mattw8087]

About Ravenous Tyrannosaurus, Something that I have only seen a few places but seems to be overlooked greatly. It does not give a maximum number of creatures that can be sacrificed and it DOES say you get those counters for EACH creature sacrificed. This would mean that sacking 3 creatures would get you 27 +1/+1 counters (3 creatures produces 9 counters for each of the 3 creatures for 27 total). Sacking four creatures for 48 tokens and five for 75 tokens. I could see this being used to quickly kill 2 opponents by attacking one and having the second ability target another's creature. My belief is that they messed up when writing the text for the devour on this card, but either way it says what it says. They may have meant it this way too. See Feasting Hobbit for an example of how it probably should have been written.

[@GuysThatMagic]

It was miss worded. Mark Rosewater came out and said it only does 9 counters. Would’ve been sweet though!

[@mattw8087]

@@GuysThatMagic I missed that. Thanks, I will go look it up.

[@lucasramos4000]

posso fazer os dois upgradess ? o de 100 e o de 300 juntos ? ou apenas um

[@sheaandrus-oak6546]

After the upgrades what do you think the power level is

[@IamBradofEarth]

Question, I kinda wanna add karlach to the deck. What would you take out for her?

[@GuysThatMagic]

Just take out a creature you feel isn’t as powerful of what you’re putting in!

[@IamBradofEarth]

What’s your opinion on adding Savage Order to the deck?

[@GuysThatMagic]

Flavor wise, it’s great. I personally had it in my Gishath deck but overall felt it to be slow. -Hunter

[@IamBradofEarth]

@@GuysThatMagiclast question and I won’t bother you anymore. How about Goring Ceratops? Gives everything double strike when it attacks. And if so what should I take out?

[@Chrischone2]

what do people think about a roaming throne slotting in?

[@GuysThatMagic]

Great include in any kindred deck for sure! If you can make room for it then I say go for it! -Hunter

[@xXxDjagorxXx]

Ok - I just pulled a mana crypt[nice] but what do I cut for it?

[@GuysThatMagic]

Nice pull! You’re gonna have to decide what to take out 😊 but another mana rock could take its place

[@ryantriplett6512]

if you ran more fetch lands the canopy vista and cinder glade would be great to run.

[@dirtytechno4948]

Hunter giving of Jeff Goldblum vibes with his commentary on this particular set

[@IamBradofEarth]

Hey I want to add the welcome to Jurassic park saga to the deck. What card in the deck would you recommend I take out for it?

[@ivanscassa6874]

savage order

[@JenteSama1]

would u ever consider garruk's uprising as an addition to the deck ? I know it cares more about creatures power but considering its a dino deck and the fact it still draws u cards and gives everything trample for only one extra colorless doesn't seem to bad. But i do admit that the up the beanstalk is probably more consistent for carddraw, i guess it would depend on how much u need the trample and how big the creatures are that u play

[@Russiancow602]

I run it, it’s good

[@twotonesmybones]

Very nice upgrades!

[@GuysThatMagic]

Thanks!

[@Zeromus5555]

Dont cut regal behemoth... its for the land doubling, not the draw off monarch...

[@dispozablehero9829]

No Etali Primal Conqerour? Shame

[@Wes2219]

Want an instant win combo that’s absolutely broken for Dinosaurs? Play Swooping Pteranodon after using a card like Standardize or Unnatural Selection to change your opponents creatures to Dinos. Now when swooping arrives they are all your creatures now have flying and haste! Oh and if your opponent somehow survives they all take 3 dmg on return to them next turn lmfaoo

[@rogerrabbit132]

Now I'm intrigued to see the Gishath list

[@GuysThatMagic]

Once I get the pieces from the new set, I may have to show it off soon! -Hunter

[@paultrujillo8539]

@@GuysThatMagicyes please I’m super curious to see how you’d run it over pantlaza

[@salvadordealmeidagrandi2433]

Do the merfolks one please ❤

[@GuysThatMagic]

It’s coming soon!

[@codymckenna4810]

Hey guys, I did the $100 upgrade and then the $300 upgrade, I'm hoping you can give me some big money upgrades you would throw in the deck and what you would take out

[@Russiancow602]

I think y’all are sleeping on blink protection rather than Boros charm or heroic intervention. Eerie interlude to protect your board from everything and get etb triggers off your commander and other creatures effects.

[@ProtoSkullX1]

Why is dinosaurs on a spaceship not in the deck?

[@GuysThatMagic]

I love the card! Just didn’t make it in for this build -Hunter

[@faqgd]

Dinosaur egg does not have defender. I find that this card dies often due to the fact that it grows quickly and can also attack. I don't think it should be underestimated.

[@LegendofPokeBran]

I would have included the Jurassic World card Savage Order to play an expensive mana creature card for 4.

[@ZeusTheGodSoA]

PANTS LASAGNA SUN FLAVORED!!!

[@GuysThatMagic]

A dish best served….extinct?

[@ZeusTheGodSoA]

@@GuysThatMagic yes! 🤣 that's my pet name I made up. Idk why my brain said pants lasagna one time, then I heard EDHREC call her sun flavored, rest is history.

[@tylernunnery9452]

Explorer’s of the Deep $300 dollar upgrade video?

[@GuysThatMagic]

It’s coming out soon! Expect the $300 upgrades to come out every other day!

[@tylernunnery9452]

Awesome

[@blacephyttv6278]

Why not tyrant trapjaw?

[@paulinhomadara]

Seriously, no interaction cards?

[@saleen12]

Can someone please make a 3-400 dollar updated sidisi self mill zombie/recursion list?

[@GuysThatMagic]

Not something we plan on doing but you might find something on Moxfield!

[@edge929]

Shadow in the Warp gets you 90% of the way to Urza's Incubator. Both is better.

[@GuysThatMagic]

Seems like a great addition!

[@Gameeer1300]

My wifes first time playing magic since high school chose to play this deck and damn near ruined me our first game Got me down to 1hp!

[@hiddenleaf414]

People aren’t still positive if they meant for the Ravenous Tyrannosauras to be printed that way or if it was a lazy copy & paste from Thromak who uses X as the number but they sorta messed up his Devour trigger. If you read it carefully you multiplying twice. Saccing 3 creatures gets you 27 counters not 9.

[@wildman274]

Reminder text doesn't alter how a card works, so you will still only do 9 counters on the card, not 27. If it did change it, extort could not be used outside of white/black decks.

[@hiddenleaf414]

@@wildman274 Reread the tyrannosauras’ text compared to other devour cards along with Thromoks. It’s worded differently. Extort’s reminder text is always worded the same.

[@amithemuffinman]

Reminder text doesn't change the mechanic unless an errata is issued. Devour N, gets N +1/+1 counters for each creature devoured

[@hiddenleaf414]

@@amithemuffinman So you’re saying they made a typo putting in “three times that many” since no other devour reminder text has that in there?

[@amithemuffinman]

@@hiddenleaf414 absolutely. You act like wotc has never printed a card with the wrong text. They literally printed the wrong word referencing a card that doesn't exist on the face commander for the prismari deck a few yrs ago

[@lucasramos4000]

oque acha de por no lugar do flamingue tyrannosaurus o Ravenous ?

[@markrode7245]

Wouldn't Welcome to.... Jurassic Park be a decent slot in here? Early saga to remove some pieces from your opponents board then becomes a land that taps a green for each Dino you control

[@GuysThatMagic]

I thought about adding it when I made the list but ultimately decided against it -Hunter

[@thriftypsgr]

Oh heck yeah!

[@etiennegou1]

Now, please show us the fish people for 300$$

[@GuysThatMagic]

Coming soon!

[@lontra_mtg]

I think you forgot some great cards to trigger Pantlaza more often If you like and are interested, I can link my primer for Pantlaza here. I would be happy about the exchange.

[@GuysThatMagic]

I’m sure there are lots of awesome dinos that can trigger Pantlaza more but this is just the build I made with the budget. But if you wanted to link your deck you can! -Hunter

[@paultrujillo8539]

Yeah could you link it? Would be sick to see

[@jonkwarsick2813]

up the bean stalk sucks it doesnt work with Gishath get something better

[@santiagovila4858]

Yeeeees 🔥🔥🔥🔥