Installing a cab corner rust repair panel using panel bond adhesive

Installing a cab corner rust repair panel using panel bond adhesive
In this video I show how I use fusor 110b fast set panel bond adhesive to attach the cab corner. Still use a couple of plug welds but for the top area I glue it with the panel bond due to the structural foam in the cab corner. It's the first one I've done this way so there is a bit of a learning curve but it turned out great

[@jackchrisman2414]

This is a great repair. Only thing I was taught to cover all of the bare metal inside the cab corner with the adhesive. Reason being, it will stop all future rusting on the inside. I always tape off all the gluing areas and then spray undercoating inside on both panels. Then add the adhesive.

[@kaur9384]

i would use russian bearing grease inside panels , can only be applied when hot and is best with undercoating gun , sticks to metal like glue , never dries , is really thick , doesnt stink like undercoating ( they still are pulling wwii crates out of the ground over here with guns and other items inside chunk of that grease , everything looks as it was just left there ).

[@nickking1510]

Jack Chrisman any cars or trucks I ever owned here in the rust belt of Ontario Canada after the paint is fully dry I drill 1/2 in holes load up an old paint gun and garden sprayer mix some chain bar oil ,canola , non detergent motor oil, kerosene and spray cab corners rockers doors hood trunk tail gate pillars wind shield frame floors under carpet and entire frames inside and out cross members making sure not to do any exhaust components. While taking precautions for personal protection oil mist fitted respirator and eye protection. I am quite certain if the truck was oil sprayed annually and this is crucial it has to be properly applied to all inner sides and welds or it won’t do much

[@PaddleDogC5]

3m interior panel spray stops rust after you're done.

[@dennistrull1475]

What to you do if you run out of time

[@wfd805]

We used Lord's adhesives in making fiberglass body panels for Camaros, Firebirds, APV vans, Navigators, Lincolns, Rangers, Mustangs and even the Plymouth Prowler (it is NOT all aluminum). I worked for the Budd Co for 11 years and can say that stuff is great. We bonded metal, various plastics and combinations with no issues. The parts from 1988 are still holding! Good stuff with no heat distortion.

[@Velvethamma]

Thanks for the report... I'm hoping the bond line between the panels doesn't start to show back thru over time.

[@jmaedl027]

Velvethamma I don't use those mixing tubes on the gun, I use a spreader to mix cause the tubes don't mix enuff. Also after the 2 panels are bonded and the excess panel bond oozes out take a grinder and get off as much as you can..Ive had the panel bond cause body fillers to pop due to chemical reaction... I only use it for replacing of roof panels now...great video ...

[@Velvethamma]

j maedl Good tips! Thank you

[@erichn4291]

wfd805 i

[@jrcll7856]

I`ve done a dozen or so truck bed wheel wells using lord fusor 108B great stuff . no ghost lines

[@Velvethamma]

+jrcll Good to know. Thanks for the input

[@jamesfreddys]

Keep me up to date on that repair area with the panel bond on the lap seam on the body reveal. I've been taught that it's suppose to shrink and reveal the seam so I always steered clear but I wonder. Thanks for the video Shawn.

[@Velvethamma]

I haven't been around it enough to know if the seam will reveal itself over time. According to Fusor, the method to keep the seam from ghosting thru is to taper the seam of the overlying panel to a "10 degree" bevel. We'll see. Normally I would weld it but if it shows later on I guess I'll have to dig it out and weld it. Or change it again

[@jamesfreddys]

I think it will work I hadn't heard the 10 degrees taper before.

[@ProseLitigant]

i found and bought some "composite" ford f150 rockers that are using a panel bond methacrylate structural bonding adhesive it works fine for those been working for over a year now and no rust ever came back. they are strong as hell and super light weight i kick on them cleaning my boots off almost every day getting in the truck :)

[@Velvethamma]

That seems like a great idea. No more rust!

[@tawnacanhoto8709]

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[@billsloan7727]

What an amazing transformation from a rusted hole to your new cab corner installation. I need to do the same project, thanks so much for such an informative video....

[@michaelliberty6517]

legalintimidation what years do the F150 composite rocker panels work on and where do you get them?

[@ProseLitigant]

they have F150 from 04 to 2014 cant remember the website i think i googled composite f150 cab corners Neverrust thats it cheap fix and they came with there own adhesive

[@tomduncan1970]

Yet another great video from my buddy Shawn!! Great job brother!

[@Velvethamma]

Thanks Tom.... Long time no see! Good to hear from ya

[@sknight4817]

If your plug welding anyways just finish welding it, I won't glue a cab corner on. Good explanation video though

[@keith2860]

because they're just quick plug welds. as opposed to welding then grinding the entire perimeter of the corner. glues are a permanent repair, new ford beds are epoxied together.

[@winterdean8063]

Good job bro!

[@michaeldunsmore7414]

like the video, ever try that on an excursion,no one sells rear cab corners for excursion,you think a crew cab corner ,cut down and fabbed would work?

[@charliesgarageusa4986]

I would like to see how that held up after a year .

[@Velvethamma]

We’ll it’s been 7 years since I did this repair and it still looks like new.

[@rickilynnwolfe8357]

Very cool Ive ever heard of this..tks for sharring God bless 🙏💜

[@Shade_tree_garage01]

Oh god... this just makes me shiver, weld it or bondo, I understand it’s meant to be “cheaper” or easier.... but man.... the result can be unsettling

[@Velvethamma]

Foxmakesmodels This repair has gone through 5 winters and has no signs of failure or rust.

[@Shade_tree_garage01]

@@Velvethamma that you know of, there is always hidden rust....

[@Velvethamma]

Foxmakesmodels On any type of repair there is always a possibility of rust (unless it’s plastic or non ferrous metal)

[@kcarroll96]

If it has lasted 5 years it has outperformed the factory.

[@mariomartin1981]

adhesive technology has advanced in the last 20 years,welding bodywork is old school.and glues are the new normal.and probably why glues panels outlast welded panels now,bodyshops hate gluing video since it takes away a lot of their work because a lot people can do it themselves now,

[@cecil6711]

Great repair buddy.

[@Velvethamma]

Thanks buddy

[@carylamari6546]

I have never used the panel adhesive, did you flange the body where you glued the new panel on? please let us know how well it bonds. I think panel adhesive will replace mig welding in the future. Scares me though a bit. Thanks for the video Learning here!

[@Velvethamma]

From my experience, you cannot flange a curved panel such as the cab corner. It will distort and shrink around the flange. Try it sometime and you'll see what I mean. The seam area needs to be as flat as possible to be able to clamp or screw the two together so the panel bond makes good contact. I'm certainly not an expert on panel bonding so we'll see how it stands the test of time

[@carylamari6546]

Velvethamma Thank you Sean, I can't wait to see the results. I hear a lot of new cars are repaired with panel adhesive so this for me is interesting. Thanks

[@Cheator40]

Looking good Shawn.

[@Velvethamma]

Thanks Jerry

[@GorillasGuns]

After what happened in Texas , I would only use panel bond on door skin replacement, or for the corvettes, not trying to get sued, but if this is your own vehicle , no problem.. But this is also not a roof, soooo. Glue on..

[@Steve-cs3tt]

Just as I started to write this I see it’s your first time doing it this way, so I’ll ask anyway. Do you think rocker panels would work a well ? Thanks, Steve

[@Velvethamma]

Rocker panel could be weld bonded. It is structural to the cab of the vehicle. I’m not sure of the exact procedure but I would imagine that it would require several areas to be either spot welded or resistance welded. Hope that clarifies

[@1D10CRACY]

KZbinr Whitetail Fit cut his rockers off and used panel bond to put his back on a few years ago. He also has a few videos showing how to do it.

[@turbofiat]

Is this stuff strong enough to secure "gutters" underneath car doors? Sometimes called sills or rocker panels. I call them gutters because that's what they look like to me. On my Trabant, these are rusted out and if the front end is on jack stands, the doors won't open because the body flexes. So unlike the cab corner if your video, these pieces are structural because the car is a uni-body. I have new ones to go back in but these were spot welded from the factory. Rather than finding/drilling out the 50+ spot welds, I wanted to cut the old ones off using a reciprocating saw, grind the metal down where there is no rust, coat the inside of the new pieces with the Eastwoood Rust Encapsulator (which is great stuff BTW) except where the adhesive is going to to be applied and use the Lord Fusor to secure the "gutters" to the floor. I have lots of wood clamps my father bought when he did woodworking. One thing I thought about doing before installing these pieces was to weld a piece of 1" square tubing underneath the car where these panels are going to go for extra strength. In other words what I am asking is, is this stuff suitable for uni-bodies to secure metal that is structural ?

[@Velvethamma]

James Siebold It is a great product but I would not use it on rocker panels even though it is a structural adhesive. Weld those rocker panels in. You can resistance weld thru this stuff in certain applications. I would always suggest using ICAR repair procedures for the manufacturer of the vehicle

[@asicerik]

Sorry if you mentioned this and I missed it, but why are you using panel bond instead of welding? Noob question I know.

[@Velvethamma]

The area where that seam is going has urethane foam in it for strength and it can catch on fire while you are welding if you are not VERY CAREFUL. I stress that because I have seen people set fires that they didn't even know were burning until it was too late. Panel bond seemed like a safer choice although if it fails, I will end up cautiously welding and re-doing the job.

[@yoyodynepropulsion.systems]

@@Velvethamma 4 or 5 years later...did it fail?

[@Velvethamma]

Yoyodyne Propulsion Systems I has held up perfectly. Not rusted, no seams ghosting thru, and looks as good as the day I painted it!

[@splash5974]

@@Velvethamma Have you tried any of the other adhesives, other than Lord Fusor? And which Fusor # do you use? Thanks

[@tracyworthington592]

Where can I buy that stuff and the gun

[@teammallstarracing169]

so now will you remove the screws and weld the holes up or just grind them flat? on the seem where the panel bond is what will you do to make that edge disappear?

[@Velvethamma]

Team Mallstar Racing I removed the screws and filled area with fiberglass filler. You cannot weld the holes with a mig welder because the panel bond will smolder and contaminate the weld. The seam line gets tapered out with body filler to hide it

[@teammallstarracing169]

Velvethamma do you prefer this method over butt-welding the two pieces together?

[@Velvethamma]

Team Mallstar Racing Only for panels that have lots of structural foam in them and have a larger fire risk when butt welding. Panel bond becomes the safer choice

[@myronmacdonald1322]

Velvethamma 9

[@clintkelley4803]

Does that stuff get hot when it mixes together

[@Velvethamma]

Not really. Warm maybe

[@seando87]

Is there a difference between regular cab corners and crew cab corners?

[@Velvethamma]

seando87 XT I believe the crew cab one is smaller

[@davidcraft6145]

maybe a better question is what is ghosting through

[@Velvethamma]

+David Craft The bond area of the metal showing up through the finished paintwork over time

[@lightlyone]

I wonder if anyone has tried a mainly adhesive method to installing slipons on a 2000 Silverado. Seems like it should hold about as well as weld if cutting off is done properly.

[@Velvethamma]

I would prefer to cut it out but I'm sure it would bond fine. I would be concerned with rust between the two when using a slip on panel though

[@paycelucas3355]

Well has it held up seems showing or anything?

[@Velvethamma]

Payce Lucas Still perfect!

[@carolinacrusher6808]

Where do you get your repair panels?

[@Velvethamma]

Mark Davis Mill supply in Cleveland Ohio

[@shanek6582]

Can you weld through the adhesive? Will the glue hold the corner on or do you weld the overlap seam also? Thanks

[@Velvethamma]

Shane K You can resistance weld but not mig weld

[@Velvethamma]

Shane K The adhesive fills the seam so no welding. Only welding to do is in the factory spot weld locations

[@dougdaubert3589]

Question: How is this repair holding up? I'm thinking of using Lord Fusor on my Crew Cab for panel replacement (rust repair). Also considering for outer rocker replacement? Thoughts?

[@Velvethamma]

+Doug Daubert It is holding up perfect. Looks just as perfect as the day I painted it. Panel bonding adhesives are fine for cab corners, small repair panels, quarter panels, etc. DO NOT use panel bond for a rocker panel. Rocker panels are a structural cab reinforcement and I would STRONGLY encourage you to weld them in. There is a structural adhesive that the OEM's use on a lot of unibody panels that is crash rated but I still believe that a rocker panel needs to be welded. These trucks twist so much that I don't think it would be advisable to use it. I would certainly contact the adhesive manufacturer to check if you really want to use an adhesive. Most of the adhesives can be resistance spot welded thru so be careful if someone tells you that it can be used. It will still need some degree of welding.

[@dougdaubert3589]

Thanks for the update and advice. Welding it is. Doug

[@sandromarsili5601]

where can I get the repair kit metal section?

[@Velvethamma]

sandro marsili Rustrepair.com

[@stevonkoch8002]

anyone in the chicago area that can do this for my c1500 1992?

[@marksponge9852]

Watching!

[@Velvethamma]

Yes sir....

[@davidcraft6145]

you commented about your bevel 10%?. could you simply put the metal on and come back and grind it down a bit like you might in an overlapped weld? And if so; obviously the thickness of the metal becomes an issue however assuming the glue works it seems like it be ground down very thin given a good area for adhesion on the back side.

[@Velvethamma]

+David Craft I suppose that would work as well.

[@1bad69xss4]

What do you do with the self tapping screws after the glue sets up? Fill the holes with....?

[@splash5974]

Just grind the heads off, and leave it in place. No filling the holes!

[@GusgusA1]

Did you use body filler on the ridge of the overlap?

[@Velvethamma]

GusgusA1 Yes. Fiberglass filler first then regular filler

[@pvb9964]

One inch OD nut diameter, one pass fillet weld 1/8" 7018 on the nut to beam, straight test pull up ...25,000 lb pull before fail. Let's see glue do that.

[@CrashFix]

Install a quarter panel on a Corvette, let’s see a welder do that....

[@Mr99190]

do you have to weld if you use the adhesive? Thanks

[@Velvethamma]

_trucklover_ Only at the factory spot weld areas

[@Mr99190]

Oh okay, thanks!

[@CountrySideClub]

Hmmm this is interesting with this panel bonding deal...never seen someone have the balls to do it and show it..watching closely

[@Velvethamma]

We'll see how it holds up to the test of time. I was a bit nervous about doing it myself but I really didn't want to be welding in that area if I absolutely didn't have to.

[@hanksmith4065]

Can I use rivets instead of screws?

[@Velvethamma]

hank smith I only use the screws to clamp the panels together until the adhesive cures. I personally see no reason for rivets. I would clamp the panels if there is access

[@TheBlueFinisher]

@@Velvethamma Aluminium rivets would be a bad idea, the aluminium to steel chemistry would cause rust to form. it is always best to use a steel rivet on steel panels If you going to use one.

[@Velvethamma]

Dennis Massengill Agreed

[@christianxzowner2958]

Can i use the 110b on a roof repair

[@Velvethamma]

ChristianX Z owner I would consult the Fusor website for information regarding roof panel adhesives. Most roof repairs are weld bonded and are structural repairs. I would not want to steer you to the wrong product without having experience with using it

[@christianxzowner2958]

@@Velvethamma thankyou!!

[@brianrussell1565]

It's going to dry by time you put it on

[@MindDezign]

Just grind the screw heads off hole is filled with metal.

[@Velvethamma]

MindDezign You could

[@trainorstransporter]

Hey, quick question. I used the 3M panel bond on wheel arch patches, both sides of a Silverado. After bodywork and paint I had it outside in the sun and the panel bond seemed to expand and you can see the outline of the patch. Once it cooled off it went away. Do you know if this always be a problem or will the stuff harden up and stop expanding when it's hot?

[@Velvethamma]

Chris Trainor Could be caused by a couple different things. You really have to taper your panel edges appropriately or the bond seam will show with expansion and contraction.

[@trainorstransporter]

Velvethamma thanks for the quick response. I overlapped the patches, used some set screws, wiped off excess adhesive. Next day, I ground off all the edges, there was a bit of a step because I didn't use any kind of flange tool. I used a thin coat of fiberglass around all the edges and then one coat of filler over that. I'm satisfied with the finished result, but I never even thought about the stuff expanding/contracting! I gotta get to the shop, have a good day!

[@splash5974]

This is whats known as ghosting. Happens with alot of the products.

[@AngryStaffSgt]

*What's the name of the intro music?.*

[@Velvethamma]

VEHICLE VIOLENCE It’s something off the free KZbin music list

[@AngryStaffSgt]

@@Velvethamma Oh ok I'll look for it, Thanks Dude.

[@MAGWolf]

How is it holding up?

[@Velvethamma]

Mark Wolf Perfect. No rust and repair is still undetectable

[@pbm7715]

And now that he left the screws in rust will form on them anx rust out the panel ff ol m the inside!!! Way to go Goober. RE.OVE THE SCREWS AFTER THE GLUE DRIES, THEN FILL GHE HOLES WITH SOME GLUE, THEN USE SOME BONDO ON IT. ALSO - PAINT EVERYTHING ON THE INSIDE OF THE ROCKDR WITH POR 15 PRIMER, TO PREVENT IT FFOM RUSTING

[@Velvethamma]

P Bm Five and a half years later and still no rust. Panels were sprayed internally with 3m cavity wax.

[@jonathanduke8295]

Saw it

[@Ron083]

How is the repair doing?

[@Velvethamma]

+Ron083 No evidence of failure at this point. At 19 months and one winter season it's just as perfect as the day I painted it.

[@Ron083]

+Velvethamma that is great to hear, I'm in the process of replacing both cab corners, they are both pretty rotted. I'm trying to figure out if I should use Fusor or the 3M panel bonder. What is your opinion?

[@Velvethamma]

Ron083 Either one is fine. The Lord Fusor products are OEM approved by Ford and GM so I typically use them. The 3M stuff is fabulous as well

[@547Rick]

Interesting!

[@Velvethamma]

Indeed

[@waynehwaszcz4959]

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[@iceblueeyes9455]

One word weld

[@Velvethamma]

7 years later still perfect...

[@Fullthrottle440Garage]

interesting

[@Velvethamma]

Yes sir...

[@78a67h]

Never ever use a power tool to drive sheet metal screws. You will overshoot strip the female thread and then you will have to rely solely on the adhesive to hold everything in place

[@armyscout9994]

Talk about some OCD issues.

[@Velvethamma]

+Randall Carpenter If it's worth doing then it's worth doing it right:)

[@101Volts]

Go look up Ammo NYC (Larry Kosilla's company) if you wanna see "OCD." You wanna be a top end Porsche detailer like him or do you wanna be just the same as you were before?

[@Fritsvrolijk]

thats the usa truck rust rust and more rust

[@Velvethamma]

frits duwel sure do

[@dusa1122]

Why not just weld it then That’s what I do

[@Velvethamma]

dusa1122 I try not to weld areas that are filled with foam like cab corners. I have done my best to dig it out but there always a risk of fire.

[@dusa1122]

Velvethamma I’ve never had that issue never seen that much foam but I guess it’s a possibility that I would look out for I’m not doubting your way it all works in the end it just seem to me if you were going to Tack it might as will just continue on and weld it up

[@dusa1122]

Velvethamma Not tack weld but well the holes my mistake

[@Velvethamma]

dusa1122 Just trying to reduce risk.

[@dusa1122]

Velvethamma 👍 I got you I love all these videos though I see how other people do things and get good ideas just finishing auto body job today I just do it in my own garage private jobs been doing it for 42 years And I still love it

[@darrelholmgren7731]

Glue is for model cars not real ones you think that garbage has structural integrity you're wrong as soon as it gets hit that shit lets go, nothing holds better than welding

[@Velvethamma]

Darrel Holmgren Funny you mentioned it. That side of my truck got hit this spring and smashed that corner. It NEVER even broke the panel bonded seam. I've seen the steel rip before the adhesive fails. You still have to weld in designated locations

[@MOAArtstore]

Don't ever fly on an Airbus. They use "glue" and composites in their tail and control surfaces. These modern adhesives are nothing like super glue or Elmer's. Parent material will almost always fail before the glue.

[@sdm115]

Glue or adhesives all over unibody vehicles being made these days. What you thinks holding your windshield and window in?

[@jamesavery6671]

I'd like too glue that trap shut

[@2000blackstang]

This adhesive is a ton stronger than any butt weld on sheet metal. I've been a welder for 10 years and If I can use lords instead of welding I will!

[@kCI251]

Could have welded in real metal in the 15 minutes this took to watch.