VENGEANCE DEMON HUNTER Shadowlands M+ Indepth Guide [9.0]

[@ytano5782]

As a non native english speaker, I really like your clear english, w/o a lot of slang. Your guides are very helpful.

[@Dorki]

Hope you all are enjoying Shadowlands!

[@bigdh9193]

Great video shadowlands is great, quick question if you don’t mind, is charred flesh fixed yet? Or do I keep using infernal armour until further notice?

[@Dorki]

​@@bigdh9193 So from what I've gathered, apparently charred flesh isn't bugged, just works very janky. The way it works is after you fiery brand, your immo aura will only extend for the 9 seconds meaning that each of the spread brands are extended for less and less each time. Whether this is worth using or not, hard to say when it's realistically only increasing your spread brands by anywhere between 0-3 seconds. On raid it'll still be fine to use as its always extended the initial brand by about 4.5 seconds.

[@aischara7510]

where do I find Pain supression? the 3min cd next to your party frame? I don't have it in my spellbook...

[@Dorki]

@@aischara7510 Pain suppression is an external cooldown from the disc priest that gives 40% dr. Super useful to take advantage of :)

[@aischara7510]

@@Dorki oh, it's not a DH ability? Explains, why I didn't find it :). Thank you

[@Tankex91]

Growl told us to come and like and here we are!

[@Dorki]

[@mujtabaalsaihati3017]

Good shit dorki keep it up.. We want you and yummi to make more videos, the best thing in the world watching your guides and gameplay while at work

[@ChristopherConnors]

Great video, thanks for going step-by-step through the rotation. Really helped!

[@minathompson818]

Good guide, for a non native English speaker like me I could understand everything! And now I can see that's a "new build" for defensive style play, thanks God that doesn't involve not using fracture (I love that talent :P). Need to put my self update in this patch.

[@erikhernandez513]

I came to write the same. Nice guide, all very clear

[@loransodre2491]

Another guide another amazing video gratz dorki

[@Dorki]

So from what I've gathered, apparently charred flesh isn't bugged, just works very janky. The way it works is after you fiery brand you receive a hidden buff for 9 seconds. Your immo aura will only extend for the 9 seconds meaning that each of the spread brands are extended for less and less each time. Whether this is worth using or not, hard to say when it's realistically only increasing your spread brands by anywhere between 0-3 seconds. On raid it'll still be fine to use as its always extended the initial brand by about 4.5 seconds.

[@PxrpleRL]

so this is worth to use it or no ?

[@Dorki]

@@PxrpleRL Hard to say honestly. I'd probably still use infernal armor in most cases and maybe charred flesh in some raid encounters.

[@thatdodo8263]

Me who never played Wow: Interesting very interesting

[@liquidmojo1439]

You mentioned Charred Flesh is bugged. Do you know if it has been fixed since you posted this? I've been running the Fiery Brand build with it and never really pasted attention to if it is working or not.. lol

[@Dorki]

Check my pinned comment, it's still decent to run nothing else is particularly strong in that row

[@eddietanks9484]

Definitely glad you made this, vengeance is my main for my CE guild and I’ve been debating what build I wanna run, thanks Dorki!

[@erhi]

Rerolled tank for shadowlands (vengeance/bdk) and dropped a sub just to see if you drop some videos about m+ pathing or smth later on. My biggest challenge in picking up tanking has always been being responsible for the routes.

[@mromzie]

So, growing inferno conduit is better than repeat decree? Also, I have the Razelikh's Defilement legendary atm, should I still keep spirit bomb or go for infernal armor?

[@Dorki]

Nah with only 1 conduit actually use repeat decree. And yes with razelikhs you go for spirit bomb :)

[@Nic_13]

does the beta elvui profile work in live or have you updated this info since then? thanks for the video, great info

[@Dorki]

I haven't tested but it should

[@thevtecollector4715]

Liked and sub thx for the guide

[@Pcervelli11]

Hi Dorki! Nice video. Do you have your UI posted anywhere? I really like your set up as it is similar to mine but even cleaner. At the very least, are you able to tell me which name plate add on that is? thanks!

[@Dorki]

Updated descriptions for some of my UI. Nameplate is KUI

[@Pcervelli11]

@@Dorki Thanks!

[@aldrnarisilvermoon5979]

for bomb build, do we need to use soul cleave on any situation? or just spam bomb?

[@alansimerton2233]

I know I’m not dorki, but you use bomb to consume souls. You want to build to 5 souls, Spirit bomb, then dump your resource with soul cleaves before you use fracture or immolation aura which will give your more souls. This is simplified and does change based on situation.

[@rudy1999]

Wtf, of course. There is no other way to dump fury regulary

[@chadlittle6040]

For anyone curious, Charred Flesh is not bugged and this video is out of date on that regard.

[@Thandwar]

thanks!

[@aischara7510]

great guide! the first I found, that really helps me (I hope xD). I just take too much dmg and die too quick. But I hope, now I found out, how to play better. Thank you. And you got a new subscriber too :P

[@saithis7834]

Hey just curious how much haste % do you suggest?

[@carlawulff415]

Can't decide between Guardian or Vengeance, as a first time tanking. Always been healing. But great videos, seen them all! Any chance you are going to do routes, tips and tricks to different dungeons as a tank?

[@TheNitram8]

Hey ! I leveled guardian and ran some mythics, before switching to vengeance. If you want to feel like an immortal fortress go bear. It feels much tankier over large periods of time, but with less big flashy moments. Vengeance feels like playing a dps. The cds are much more impactfull but you can run out of defensives easier if a pull lasts too long. For the fun factor vengeance was my pick. Also having crazy mobility, damage (for a tank) and self sustain, is great for open world and torghast (vengeance is insane in torghast) Tldr: want to feel like a lumbering immortal beast: bear Want to feel like a mobile burst dps burst survivability machine : dh

[@Dorki]

@@TheNitram8 Great breakdown on the two classes, largely true. As for the routes/tips tricks, I do have plans for things that I find are big for m+ players whether its tank/dps/healer.

[@TJR123]

love the content

[@livebythews]

For max dps do you spam spirit bomb whenever you had fragments out or do you only do it once for the debuff?

[@Dorki]

SpB every time you reach 4-5 souls. SCleave only when you have no fractures left to generate

[@livebythews]

@@Dorki thanks for the quick reply. Ive been running fiery brand build/leggo, I just want to be able to put up some better damage numbers if I have too.

[@antoinehsc.2492]

Hey, how do you use Soul Cleave with the elysian decree legendary, if you're running spirit bomb aswell? Cause you would want to spam bomb but also use cleave to reduce the cd

[@Dorki]

You only SpB at 4-5 souls. If you don't have any fractures left, you want to SCleave

[@antoinehsc.2492]

@@Dorki Kay thanks

[@Fudgedunker]

Hey Dorki! Do you not bother with flame sigil in the fiery brand build?

[@Dorki]

Definitely still use flame sigil but it is not a huge deal. I just got too familiar with the sigil build leading to bad habits

[@zacharyschreiber6382]

excited to try out the fiery brand build

[@justahuman1919]

Is the cdr tracking of Ur trink a wa if yes How Do i Set that up and generally what would u say are the best trinkets for vdh rn?

[@Dorki]

Yeah it's a WA can just get any on wago. Best trinkets are the ones from DoS, sunking and stone legion generals

[@kily7722]

wow

[@richardjohnson7923]

What add on is he using to show cool downs next to party frames? Or if that is part of his party frames is there an alternate add on to track/place this?

[@Dorki]

Omnicd addon or Zentracker wa

[@trench6118]

Do you only recommend fiery brand at a certain key level where survivability is lower? I assume we would do Soul Bomb for any lower end content just for the damage

[@Dorki]

If you ever feel the content is challenging or you want the extra survivability, definitely go fiery brand. As a tank you never want to be the one dying. But if you just want to have fun or feel confident, definitely go spirit bomb.

[@jathanrawls2657]

Hey Dorki. Big fan. Will you update if that talent gets fixed? Or do you know of somewhere i can see when that gets fixed? Thanks

[@Dorki]

I'm not keeping too much track of it but I'll definitely update if I hear about it.

[@travislodes5378]

Hey, first time watcher, looking at tanking on my DH, what weak auras are for DH tanking?

[@Dorki]

My weakauras are in my wago page in the description.

[@travislodes5378]

@@Dorki thanks I just downloaded all the dh ones

[@travislodes5378]

@@Dorki Hey real quick which weak aura creates whisper windows and how do I turn it off?

[@Yaumyt]

dorkibPog

[@aslanmehraban6798]

Hello. Could you please tell me how did you made 4 brands on targets ? ?

[@Dorki]

it's a talent

[@Pip-iz4mh]

Since we cant have legendaries yet, is fiery brand still viable option, shouldnt i wait for the fiery soul legendary?

[@minazetsu]

Hi great video helped me alot with my demon hunter currently using the spirit bomb build. Could you please tell me the name of both trinkets so i can look up where to get them :)!

[@gerrievl]

How are u not going repeat decree on pelagos first option? Super strong early expac.

[@Dorki]

I use both repeat and growing inferno, no reason not to.

[@sosmotorcycles]

What are those raid frames?

[@Dorki]

Default blizzard ones you can go to interface, raid profiles enable raid style

[@yorkstbd]

For dungeons to rush farm gold, is better use vegeance or havoc ?

[@Dorki]

Probably vengeance atm.

[@lastfragger1685]

So when the soulcleves and when the bomb ?

[@Moosmaennchen]

Use spirit bomb when you have 4 or 5 souls avaiable und cleve as a filler

[@eps-nx8zg]

Maintain the debuff, spam if you just want damage but you'll probably want to cleave.

[@Tensooni]

But does the bear stream?

[@Piotr.nawara1]

I dont get it, how other dh's doing 2.5k - 3k HPS in every pull and i m doing 1k -1.5k . Im playing kyrian, fiery brand build. Can u explain how to improve self healing ?

[@Dorki]

How much you heal is based on the dmg you take. In higher keys/gear you will be healing more. Aside from that there's not much to it other than pressing your cleaves and fractures more

[@JoaoTakada]

nice!

[@MrKato84]

nice weak aura for ur skills where can i find it ?

[@Dorki]

In my wago in the description

[@bishop1412]

What's the bug with charred flesh? I've been using it occasionally and haven't noticed it falling to extend the main target FB

[@MooseCastle]

This is footage from beta, it works fine now.

[@farinerawesome9875]

Hey nice guid! For me your UI doesn't work

[@lastfragger1685]

Why we need haste as a tank? Isnt mastery much better?

[@TheScudik]

Haste makes ur spikes cd shorter. Best defensive stat by far

[@lastfragger1685]

@@TheScudik only spikes or also like the elesion ring ffrom kyrian?

[@noctisibis1864]

@@lastfragger1685 Haste does not reduce the cooldown of elysian decree but it does reduce the cooldown of our spikes and fracture increasing our mitigation uptime and increasing our self healing through soul generation. It also increases proc rates on most trinkets and passives which can be helpful depending on what you are running.

[@rudy1999]

Haste + versa is all u need. The other 2 stats are toilet waste

[@Joel_bjornfors]

RIP i missed the torgast week to get the fiery brand lego.

[@shmand]

Great guide. But DH seems like the weakest tank....am I wrong?

[@Dorki]

Nope just check the top raider.io tanks atm :). Also vdh has been in every WFR progression so far

[@Shoyou-c1t]

Is it realy charred flesh talent broken?

[@Dorki]

Yes the talent isn't extending all the spread brands and will cap out at some seconds. I've talked with some of the top DHs like Avade who tested and logged the durations.

[@BarkusLP]

I´m having difficulty healing dh tank as a shaman healer in m+,can someone agree?

[@Dorki]

DH tanks vary a lot in skill and build now. It's generally up to them to live and you can assist with earthbind/cap totem. If theyre still dying with spam healing, it's likely the player

[@ezrek]

How is vengeance in raid ?

[@Dorki]

Very good especially with brand build.

[@luanoliveira819]

They don’t need a build. They don’t need anything they are just OP. I used to main one but this class is just unreal right now. Can’t even get close to die, nice balance Blizz

[@colecampbell1906]

running veng and not being night fae? the hunt one shots people lol

[@Dorki]

For pvp you definitely nightfae, just not for M+

[@krolltheknight]

I went venthyr and still is top damage

[@sidhstlypsilon]

im swapping to venthyr too atm, im really looking forward to play as venthyr vengance and see how much dmg i can deal

[@lucasmarvel6830]

spirit bomb... no

[@Dorki]

Both builds are good but the "general" build is definitely SpB :)

[@lucasmarvel6830]

@@Dorki Nah, only decent in low keys and only if you hate your healer and wanna make them suffer.

[@Dorki]

@@lucasmarvel6830 Of course, which are a lot of the players out there. Not everyone does high keys, but also there are a few chinese tanks I know who still play SpB build. In beta they were doing 22-23s. The current one named Overmorrow on Illidan NA is doing 18-19s and doing 4-4.7k dps every dungeon. It just takes much more skill to play than FB build.

[@fmlopes8405]

soul barrier 30 seconts cd, demonic 1min... i dont know man, i realy like soul barrier...

[@Dorki]

Soul barriers fine starting out, but later on that barrier doesn't scale well and will easily be broken. Demonic is straight DR to help not get 1 shot

[@blackyvertigo]

how far mmorpgs have fallen when "tanking" is hitting a little bit then running away while others kill it.

[@chandlercomputers]

how about speaking more clear and injecting some energy? just saying

[@Dorki]

Thanks for the feedback :)