Venom is a Goofball

/ comictropes
Special thanks to Godzilla Mendoza as Spider-Man! / @godzillamendoza
This week is a look at Spider-Man villain Venom and how his initial burst of popularity led to a series of stories by different creative teams that took the character in some very silly directions. He also gained more and more superpowers until he was pretty much the most powerful character in all of comics for a moment in 1996.

[@FadeIn2Obscurity]

Didn’t expect you to travel to the last Blockbuster in existence for an intro

[@deandredunbar9618]

Theirs two in my town but they announced their shutting down

[@redwaldcuthberting7195]

@@deandredunbar9618 There are and they are.

[@lunasperidot8760]

There's actually a couple left

[@koloth5139]

They will never completely disappear. There are a few here and there in small towns that can get by on their own. There is just no corporate office with the buying power to get new movies or do updates. Those that are left have to be able to buy new movies on their own. And any updates they make will be to that store only.

[@metasprite5648]

Koloth so its a lie there was only 1 bb?

[@almightytallestred]

Initially I misread the title as *Venom is a Golfball*

[@krounos1]

Also acceptable.

[@canos9649]

In issue 13 of the Alternative Timeline Series Venom bonds with a Golfball to be taken to the President. NOT sadly

[@jameskeen3321]

We will make par

[@Ramseas119]

We are Birdie

[@MilkyWayGrump]

Venom eats a cartel boss's heart He makes a *hole in Juan*

[@ting280]

I remember there was a story where Venom was hunting some bad guy, forgot who, and Spiderman saw him randomly. Spidey assumed Venom was up to no good and attacked him. Venom tried to explain while they were fighting but Spidey wasn't listening, and because of them a crane collapsed onto a building I think and there was an explosion. Spiderman helped who he could and Venom was going to take that opportunity to leave, but he saw a woman trapped in a burning room. He literally threw the entire symbiote through the glass, into the fire and enveloped the woman completely in the symbiote in a big black goey ball only connected to Brock by his hands. With tremendous pain and grief Brock in his boxers yanked them out of room. The symbiote was still on fire and in a lot of pain, the woman was saved, grateful, and thanked Brock, Brock was like "it's cool, you're welcome" and the symbiote turned into a jacket with his hood up and he quietly disappeared into the crowd with Spiderman still at the scene looking for him, pissed that he got away.

[@clownworldhereticmyron1018]

Title???!

[@alexdoorn234]

@@clownworldhereticmyron1018 I think that's planet of the symbiotes. Or it's Lethal Protector the book before it.

[@34BigPete]

This occurred in Lethal Protector #6.

[@ting280]

@@34BigPete yea I just read it and it's this exact comic I was remembering from my childhood. guess I was wrong about it being a woman who he saved. thank you.

[@BakaryD]

Spidey's a dick sometimes

[@RastaSaiyaman]

It should also be known that Venom was not a coward, he showed up at Aunt May's house once but only to challenge Peter Parker, stating that Aunt May had nothing to do with their vendetta and thus he wouldn't attack her. VERY different from the how the Character appeared in several of the more recent Spider-man cartoon series.

[@itmademesignup9508]

Yeah, as I recall, Peter came in to find Eddie sitting on the couch, having tea with Aunt May.

[@aaqibrawat3863]

You know what you are talking about . Literally all the so called fans are morons . Just read spiderman vs venom by todd mcfarlane and watch venom in spiderman tas thats all you need . Brock also helped aunt may with the laundry aswell. Know your versions of characters guys and girls

[@Bluesit32]

You misunderstand, just as many writers did afterwards. His "affection" toward Aunt May was another means to torture Spider-Man. He's showing that he knows where both his wife and his aunt live. His comment about her being "so...innocent" was to point out how helpless she'd be if he decided to attack her. When Spider-Man went to the Baxter Building to ask for help, he arrived at his aunt's house to find Brock helping with the laundry. "That's right. This is between us. Not the Fantastic Four." In other words, he was warning Peter that if he went for help again, SOMEONE was going to suffer for it. Brock was not a nice guy. Remember the reason he hates Spider-Man is simply because he caught the Sin-Eater. This revealed that the guy Brock declared was the Sin-Eater was nothing but Stan Carter's crazy neighbor. Spider-Man saved Betty Brant and J. Jonah Jameson from being killed and Brock hated him for it. Brock couldn't accept that he was the one who made the mistake by not looking into the situation deeper or, more importantly, just telling the cops. He HAD to write the big scoop. He ruined his own career.

[@aaqibrawat3863]

@@Bluesit32 Dude . He is torturing spiderman . You are right . But he has honour and he has a code thats all im saying . Everyone thinks hes a mad brain eating monster . He isnt he is more complex

[@Bluesit32]

@@aaqibrawat3863 He didn't have one until later. He was threatening (albiet subtly) to kill an old lady. He smashed in Black Cat's face, traumatized Mary Jane, killed a cop in the middle of a church and other such things.

[@TrueUnderDawgGaming]

I'm surprised that you forgot Venom's ability to turn invisible. I always thought that was cool.

[@Woozie87]

TrueUnderDawgGaming true that always reminded me of the predator

[@Jojo-oi5vi]

Yea a lot of this creation of venom video are missing a lot of fucking information so badly,

[@MrDEtheridge]

Yeah, this isn’t really a comprehensive or informed take on the character. It’s detailed, but more in the “cramming for a mid-term final” kinda way. C-.

[@FlyingRaijin52]

Are you talking about spider man ps1? He turned invisible because Spider-man's spider senses couldn't properly detect him.

[@TrueUnderDawgGaming]

Nah, I mean how he would turn invisible in the comics. He did it a lot in the 90's and recently in a couple issues.

[@UndyingWladeslaus]

This is why I love Venom's concept: the symbiote isn't inherently good or evil, it simply learns behavior from its hosts. From Peter, it got a sense of justice and its sense of humor. But Peter's rejection, despite the symbiote saving him in the original story, felt betrayed. With Brock, it had a sense of vengeance and anger, making it a desperately scary foe to deal with. When Brock was dying many years later, the symbiote met Gargan. Admittedly nothing much happened other than a sense of freedom, no longer bound to a weakening dying host. Together they went on crime sprees and few skirmishes until the government managed to take the symbiote. Finally we have Thompson Venom. Flash manages to 'tame the beast' so to speak, and teaches the symbiote mercy and discipline. I like Venom's character because of how that character has grown over the years. For a powerful, frighening looking monster, it's got a great personality that literally evolves with each new ally it bonds to. And you can see how its past has molded its persona. It's undeniably why Venom is my favorite Marvel character. But sadly the movies just don't seem to get that. :/

[@Jojo-oi5vi]

The symbiote went to a weak kid that symbiote left falling to its death before scorpion.

[@mychaeljones7526]

The movie did that?

[@ninjahombrepalito1721]

Actually, it's really not evil, but still violent, corrupting, malicious, etc. And yes, naturally. The symbiote god created the symbiotes to be that way. Some symbiotes were influenced by their hosts, they defeated their creator, they invented the lie that their race was initially good.

[@openveinsblueblood8294]

Sounds like my ex girlfriend

[@chromso]

Drake Barnes You never seen Agent Venom? Nani?

[@BlankPicketSign]

I met Venom in the Spider-Man (2000) Video Game for PS1. He was, at first, a crazy chaotic Villain that kidnaps Mary-Jane Parker and uses her as bait to get vengeance on Spidey for a allegedly breaking Eddy Brock's Camera (it was actually Mysterio disguised as Spider-Man). However, Spider-Man corrects this misunderstanding by punching Venom until he understands that Mysterio and whomever he is working for are to blame. Vemon then becomes a goofy, black humored partner to Spider-Man, causing as many problems as he helps Spidey solve, and ultimately together they bungle their way to defeat the big-bad villain together! (It was Dr. Octopus and Carnage teamed up... they got their butts kicked) Vemon was this strange, alien like being who's morality was as twisted as his own mind, constantly flipping between good and bad like a crazy animal! I LOVE Vemon in that game and it really did an amazing jump of distilling and displaying his twisted nature!

[@What-wm2fu]

“Surf the Web, Surf the Web.”

[@deezy81]

@@What-wm2fu "Spider Wuss"

[@Xehanort10]

"Eh. Laying down on the job Parker? Heh heh heh heh."

[@yourfatboy5359]

"Not so fast little spider"

[@BlankPicketSign]

@@yourfatboy5359 I love Everyone in this thread! Thank you for the wonderful quotes! For making my day happier, I'll add my personal favorite from that game. "....... warmer...!"

[@JaxBlade]

THANK YOU JUST THANK YOU!!

[@barbos1507]

You are becomming a that guy with a mustache, you are literally everywhere)

[@ssmerchant9933]

My boy Jax

[@wereflipper]

I know right? I had to argue this point since the first trailer.

[@wereflipper]

@giftofgab247 No one ever said that Venom was all comedy even in the beginning he says Venom was kind of a goofball. The point isn't that Venom was never violent but a lot of his most violent feats were against Spider-Man/Peter Parker or people he was close to, one of the ways my friends and I described Venom's and Spidey's relationship was using the movie Single White Female or saying he was a seriously pissed off ex. Like it or not most of the grim,dark and gritty th Venom spoke of never happened or wasn't as bad as he led on it would be. Wether this is what McFarlane intended or not isn't important all we have to go on is what did occur. Venoms interactions with the world at large were more fish out of water learning what did s good, Spidey always riled him up even when working together Venom might through the mission to take a shot at Spidey. Being dangerous doesn't mean he didn't have more to him than that and it seems one of Todds biggest flaws with characters was.always telling us how dangerous they were instead of actually showing us something even Stan Lee called him and Liefield out on.

[@wereflipper]

@@gwolf0065 I get what you are saying and you make some fair points he could have been more specific about how Venom was a bit goofy but my main point was just being glad that someone else even noticed that Venom was kind of off for a brutal bad-ass character. Some goofy, weird, bizarre thing Venom has done: 1. Getting into the whole being Carnage's parent thing(calling son-o-mine, prodigal son and so on), this actually seemed to make Venom very upset it didn't like that Carnage was a mass murderer but teamed up with him the moment it looked like they could beat spider-man( almost any book from the 90s with both will likely have some acknowledgement f this), 2. Stopped fighting Spidey after going on a rampage and almost killing Eddie Brocks wife(Eddie Brock was.able to convince.him killing Spider-man wasn't important anymore because of this-big softie), 3. Moved to San Francisco to protect homeless people to prove he could be a better hero than Spider-Man. 4. More recently 2013 the Venom mobile 5. Calling civilians innocents and criminals various names like scum, baddies and such, why make the distinction if.he was a hyper-violent murder-machine? 6. Got a dog stuck in his eye (Mac Gargan Venom). 7. Pretended to be a nun while working for the government (Big Mamas Venom or Venom Act 3). 8.tried to kill the Thing (who was trying to help Spider-Man) with a french kiss yes made him choke on his tongue. 9.Quoted SNL with the Hulk to call out Carnage and Doctor Bad Vibes.10. The symbiote itself tried to merge Peter and Eddie cause it wanted them both. 11. Mac Gargan Venom actually ate brains because Mac was so mentally bent, Eddie was able to keep it inline because symbiotes need some chemical in the brain to live.Eddie used the adrenaline created by his cancer and chocolate. Mac just said whatever and ate brains specifically humans ( the brains don't need to be human just to produce the chemical). Last thing because this could continue, chocolate addiction yes the chemical the symbiote needed to live could also be found in chocolate.

[@LowellLucasJr.]

Yeah Brock was a bit of a goofball...but anyone that makes a comedic rhyme as they approach their prey always seems cool & creepy like a scene out of a horror movie!

[@raam726]

You will be this armless, legless, faceless thing. Rolling down the street like a turd in the wind.

[@jeggsonvohees2201]

Lowell Lucas Jr. Remember when he sang Strangers in the Night while pursuing Carnage?

[@LowellLucasJr.]

@@jeggsonvohees2201 yes I do!

[@iammaximumstupied]

Jeggson Vohees or when he went "surf the web surf the web" in the spiderman video game.

[@jeggsonvohees2201]

iammaximumstupied I remember! For some reason it was really fun hearing him talk like a California surfer.

[@jonseyjones321]

In that Issue of Web Of Spider-man, that Is actually a woman's hand, not Eddies, as they originally Intended for Venom to be a woman with a hardcore, messed up backstory

[@technodude458]

Kieran Jones that sounds like a cool idea

[@jonseyjones321]

@@technodude458 David Michelinie's original story for Venom was about a pregnant woman who was about to give birth and her husband Is trying to flag down a cab to take them to the hospital. But In that same part of the city, Spider-Man Is fighting someone and the cab driver that the husband Is trying to get the attention of Is distracted by the battle and accidentally hits the husband, killing him. The woman goes Into labor right there as she watches her husband get run over. She loses her child and her mind. She's Institutionalised and eventually gains back her sanity, but she does blame Spider-Man for the deaths of her husband and baby. The Alien symbiote would find her, bind with her, and together they would set out on a mission to kill Peter Parker for hurting them both. Michelinie had set up the character a few times In Web Of Spider-Man. In Web Of Spider-Man #18, a hand pushes Peter onto the subway tracks just as a train Is flying by. He gets out of the way just In time but Is a little worried that something got past his Spider-Sense, as a trait of the Symbiote, It doesn't set It off. Another time was In Web Of Spider-Man #24, when Peter Is hanging off the side of a building and we see a hand grabbing his leg, sending him falling to the ground. Now, as cool as that sounds, Editor, Jim Salicrup didn't think readers would see a woman as a physical threat to Spider-Man, even with an alien symbiote on her side. So, Michelinie came up with the Eddie Brock angle, and the rest Is history.

[@sanricasoli]

@@jonseyjones321 Oh nice information man!

[@jonseyjones321]

@@sanricasoli Thank you!

[@jeangentry6656]

That's interesting. Maybe female Venom could have worked if she was a character that preyed on fear, and played mind games with Spidey.

[@antgto]

We also get to see the evolution of Venom's ever growing ridiculous gapping mouth here. Almost hard to think I thought that was cool in the '90s.

[@Wickedthtz]

Well???? At least they cut down his tongue slashing by 5%. There's that.

[@antgto]

@@Wickedthtz Haha, fair point.

[@shaggydee8845]

It is Kool was Kool still Kool hahaha lol

[@NeoGarax]

Savage Jesus That dark joke was used too soon mate, leave the dark jokes to the professionals like venom ok?

[@Jojo-oi5vi]

Seems like one artist did that, but i prepared venom long tounge its iconic and part of the character,

[@rnasterpiece]

"I was going commando in that thing for weeks!" Bahaha

[@skidooshlayman12]

Venom: "I'm not a goofball. I'm just written that way."

[@LowellLucasJr.]

Funny Eric Larson doesn't like Venom much, yet is one of the very best artists for him (Todd McFarlane& Mark Bagley also great contributors)-he was the 1st artist to give him his iconic jagged teeth& long tongue!

[@speeknoevil1803]

Check out Texria's Venom art very cool. Crossover comic called Spirits of Venom with Ghost Rider.

[@Pinkanator]

From what I've heard, he gave him the drooly disgusting look so people would also not like him.

[@LowellLucasJr.]

@@speeknoevil1803 I proudly own them! Adam ( or Andy....can't remember) Kurbert did some awesome art with it too!

[@LowellLucasJr.]

@@Pinkanator funny as it is now iconic with venom art! The more drool he has the cooler he is....it seems

[@Bluesit32]

Honestly, I prefer his original look with the big, toothy smile. No fangs, no drool. That's what made Mary Jane terrified of the black costume for years. She came home to see what looked like Peter in costume standing in the corner. As she watched, the "mask" split and pulled back, revealing a smile that was nearly ear to ear. "Hello, honey. We're home."

[@smiley5738]

Godzilla Mendoza cameo is a insta like."He touched my balls Chris."

[@loojiejie7381]

*He* *touched* *my* *balls* *Chris.*

[@rrtt1]

I think Venom was perfectly captured in the movie actually! He was totally given that goofball nature, and the relationship with Eddie was the highpoint of the movie. The rest of the movie was the problem.

[@raam726]

Eddie and the symbiote's relationship *was* the movie.

[@madcap3450]

Loved the movie

[@rrtt1]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. At least we have a few different ones for people deciding if they want to see it.

[@badabingbing474]

I liked a reviewer compare the movie to a rom-com, between Eddie, venom, and whatever the girls name was.

[@erenjaeger3386]

I liked the movie too

[@TheUncannykodiak]

Typical comic industry problem; too many cooks in the kitchen leads to a convoluted meal!!!

[@DrkEmotionless]

Hit the nail on the head right here. It's the main reason I don't read comics- too many different writers with a whole bunch of realities and weird plot twists that just get too convoluted for me.

[@JessicaRodriguez-gi2cl]

Wow so true~

[@nekoprankster2184]

*too many cooks*

[@danielaarroyo1622]

That's why the clone saga was so bad

[@kennethsatria6607]

OH MY GOD THE LINES FROM THE MOVIE WERE IN THERE Respect...

[@TZmayo]

I love goofball venom. My favorite depiction of the character has to be in the spiderman ps1 game. Dude is creepily intimidating

[@VanguardSupreme]

I remember reading a comic where in one panel, Venom helps an old lady cross the street while apologising to her for the commotion going on around her or something, and he goes, "We are sorry..." Ever since, whenever my brother and I reminisce about Venom we'd go, "We are sorry. We are Venom!" So yeah, Venom had his goofy moments. I mean, it _was_ the 90's. Even when comics were trying to be serious they were mostly goofy.

[@DementedDistraction]

Kinda funny that Larson never really liked Venom - his depiction of the character is my favorite version of Venom.

[@matti.8465]

Well if you have to work with a character you don't like, then turn it into something you do like.

[@substandardlysubpar9700]

"...forcing him to go out at night and making him angry." Actually, the Symbiote had no effect on Peter's personality in the comics. It was the 90s cartoon that introduced the idea of the Symbiote making you behave negatively.

[@sonsonthegoddessofconfusio3183]

Is it weird that I just imagine Peter beating the shit out of someone because he's mad for some reason and just some random kid catches him and lies to the ff and acts like he's shocked and jumps around like an idiot making it look like he's scared, blah blah they take it off of him he goes back to being normal and the Symbiote feels betrayed and hurt so he just gets back on him and takes him to church for some reason and Peter uses the bell then throws it on Eddie blah blah blah hates spider-man

[@magallanesagustin4952]

Yeah, the symbiote just made Peter feel tired.

[@chimericalical]

Yup. SM:TAS turned it into the one ring.

[@sonnywoods6846]

But the suit did make Peter go out at night and fight crime while he was asleep in the comics I think

[@sonnywoods6846]

I am surprised I am the only one that heard him say Eddie Broke was stronger than Peter Parker and that is why Venom is stronger than Spiderman! That doesn' make any sense

[@Pensive_Scarlet]

You see, this touches on why I am so happy to see that the current Venom film caught on. Divorcing the character from its supposed inseparability from Spidey in the public eye like this is a brilliantly simple way to refresh and renew the character without totally abandoning the original key elements that made the character so endearing to earlier audiences. It will be easy to later add in the rivalry with Spidey, and they inevitably will, but at that point we'll have Venom/Ed already standing on their own in a way that won't be diminished by the reintroduction of the original origin. I really look forward to seeing just where this new iteration is headed.

[@RealCGH]

Does that mean the chocalate man fron Spongebob can beat venom.

[@icecreamhero2375]

CHOCOLATE CHOCOLATE CHOCOLATE CHOCOLATE CHOCOLATE CHOCOLATE CHOCOLATE CHOCOLATE

[@RealCGH]

@@icecreamhero2375 ill defeat u with my chocolate bitch

[@feralchangeling97]

Ever hear the Spanish version? Chocolatay? Chocolatay? CHOCOLATAY!

[@laurene988]

It means chocolate man was venom

[@izuto727]

I think they will become best friend

[@sptony2718]

You either die a villain or live long enough to see yourself become the hero.

[@petersmith9633]

I really hate how they OP popular characters just because they are popular and that fans are easily entertained by their favorite characters becoming overly powerful. I prefer characters with reasonable limitations.

[@TheUncannykodiak]

venom had pretty defined weaknesses back in the day. but op can stand for over popular too. they ignore his weaknesses a lot now which is a shame. also, i want my venoms and my Harley Quinns to stay villains, or in venoms case, anti-villain.

[@sketchstevens5859]

Venom is still weak to loud noises if I recall...

[@eddiiesanchez972]

Sketch Stevens and fire.

[@sketchstevens5859]

@@eddiiesanchez972 Oh yeah. Doesn't he also need to eat tons of junk food or carbs? Ik Eddie needs to eat a ton of food for the symbiote to stay satisfied

[@bigwangjohnson]

This is so true. It’s such a lazy way to sell books and makes the characters so uninteresting. Remember when Wolverine could die if he suffered too much damage at once? Now he’s the guy that survives literal nuclear explosions.

[@BrotherhoodsCreed]

I agree. Venom was incredibly corny and wacky as a 90s creation and I think MOST general Spidey fans havent read a lot of the comics he was in originally. I think MOST of the fans stem from the 90s animated show, the ps1 game, the ultimate comics series and its video game and web of shadows

[@MataNui.]

I've heard web of shadows was gonna be a marvel zombies game originally, which would explain why Venom was portrayed as the carrier a virus of sorts.

[@hakasehakase]

Ps1 game venom was so cool when I was a kid, he had like a spinney back and three fingers that where like tentecles. He would also make corny jokes and laugh a whole lot, after you beat him in the game then he acted like a kid who had a firm talking to by his dad which was spiderman. I get why he should be funny

[@SmilingSeraph]

Definitely. The Ultimate comics are the worst source for how Venom acts or should be. There was no character there. I'd say the psx game was pretty accurate to how Venom is.

[@jasondrake323]

Even the 90's show had a scene where venom was chasing spiderman in a truck and then honked the horn while comedicly growling.

[@foxdie1001]

These comics contradict my opinions so that means they are wrong and the movie sucks.

[@CardboardBots]

Venom was one of my favourite characters from the Spider-man comics. I had many, many of those expensive limited series. I grew to be very frustrated with how different creative teams were presenting him. He would be written to do things out of character or be drawn in really odd ways. Their was no consistency or respect for the character. Worse, there was no respect for reader. Venom might have been the last Marvel comic that I dropped at the time. I held on to those limited series for decades. A few years ago, I let it go and gave them away. It was a good feeling. I think I kept The Madness (Anne Nocceti is a great writer) and Lethal Protector.

[@michiganjack1337]

Cardboard Bots I remember being completely disappointed with the art in Madness and was probably the last Venom series I bought. Although the embossed Cover of issue 1 was Cool

[@CardboardBots]

Yes the switch to Kelly Jones' art for that series was jarring. It was probably one of the earliest times I was exposed to his exaggerated art style. I've since grown to appreciate his style when it comes to his horror genre books, but within the super-hero genre it often seems out of place. I think I kept the madness because it feels like such a different and disturbing story. It also gives Eddie a bit of a love story... complete with a gory, giant tongue, face-licking kiss. Which goes over as well as you'd expect. So many of those limited series were throw away stories and ideas. The Madness has stuck in my head for being really good at showing just how deranged it depicts everything.

[@john-oh9cr]

I used to have hole in the new series and then my dad told me to clean up the living room and as punishment cuz I didn't do it he ripped them all in half so only rebuilt my collection and gave in show them and I was 18 cuz I was moving out and moving them own place and if so I didn't have no more Venom comics till my birthday this past August I'm 36 now . Hey my wife get me venom lethal protector the graphic novel In A friend of mine got me venom separation anxiety graphic novel will actually the collection into one book it clicks B nights of Vengeance it clicks the mace Spider-Man Return of the exile and separation anxiety . The thing is Return of the Exile is included internet collection because if it wasn't for the return of the Exile they couldn't have made separation anxiety .

[@KTF0]

Funny thing, I hated The Madness when I was young. Then I was going through my old collection, and I reread it and love it now. I think the art style and story was a lot to take because of the manic switching of creative teams and I think by itself, the Madness was a fun read. Honestly, I wish they stretched Lethal Protector to an ongoing. I love the concept of a Super Villian's approach to being a Superhero. I really see Lethal Protector and Mark Bagley's 90s Venom as Venom at his peak.

[@Bluesit32]

@Savage Jesus Eh...out of your list, "The Hunger" was the best. It finally answer a huge question: What exactly is the symboite feeding on inside of Brock? In doing so we discover that the "we'll eat your brains" threat wasn't at all empty.

[@yaelthesnail]

The most recent Venom run has the symbiote return to Brock, and it's actually really great. They have this codependent relationship going on that I find absolutely fascinating.

[@dookieinapot]

LMAO: Spider-man: "that means he touched my balls Chris!"

[@maxhydekyle2425]

"Having your mind held hostage by an alien entity with nefarious and nebulous goals is something so soul crushing that I can barely describe how horrific bonding with Venom truly is." "He touched my balls!"

[@skidooshlayman12]

Most Marvel characters are goofballs now thanks to the MCU.

[@badabingbing474]

Casuals think the characters are weak because of the movies 😧

[@skidooshlayman12]

They're not weak, but they are goofballs. Doctor Strange is supposed to be one of the more serious Marvel characters and he's basically Magic Tony Stark in the movie.

[@DrewLSsix]

Badabing Bing They are weak in the comics except for when they aren’t. People bitch about Hulk not being as strong as planet breaker hulk in the comics but even in the comics he was only that strong for a while and under very specific circumstances. Most of the time Hulk has been weak enough to be faced down by any number of characters.

[@drew_porter806]

@@skidooshlayman12 He makes awkward jokes in the movie that aren't supposed to be funny. The funny jokes are his dry wit.

[@IceFireofVoid]

Stil waiting for Thanos copter in the Infinity War sequel.

[@steakcrust558]

inktober is so dope. i think its awesome that you do it.

[@raycarreon9102]

9:40 I didn't expect such a good laugh lmaooo

[@chimericalical]

Yeah…. As soon as he said “I used to wear him.” I knew exactly where that shit was going and was still caught off guard.

[@venomissocute3448]

Superman could literally clap his hands to defeat Venom.

[@switchiro5262]

Superman could almost defeat anyone with a clap

[@eastlemon9477]

Oh shit

[@venomissocute3448]

Aashiq Nageem Superman is so OP it’s stupid. His only REAL weakness is Kryptonite

[@Walks-With-Fists]

VenomIsSoCute more so magic but ye 👍👍

[@venomissocute3448]

himode And he also wouldn’t think to use heat vision?

[@aranax418]

Chocolate pacifies venom huh. The movie payed alot of attention to the comics damn

[@m.comicman243]

Nice GodzillaMendoza cameo, but why does he have a different mask for his Spider-Man costume?

[@thelittlepasty8360]

M.ComicBookFan His friend gave him one a while ago

[@m.comicman243]

How do you know? Did it happen in a previous video? Cause I didn't get a chance to watch some of the recent videos yet.

[@NeroDoesStuff]

M.ComicBookFan it's shown on his Instagram

[@sirkowski]

Wait... Blockbuster still exists??

[@skullkidedits464]

Finally, someone else gets it

[@lapaba1236]

Apparently. Also subbed, I like your art.

[@rwxstudio7173]

Yep, the very last Blockbuster on the planet. Can't remember where it is though.

[@Krystalmyth]

@@rwxstudio7173 Alaska I believe.

[@SpearM3064]

@sirkowski Yes and no. The original corporation no longer exists, thanks to competition from Netflix and Redbox (and bad leadership; "Digital would have changed Blockbuster's business, for sure, but it wasn't its killer. That credit belongs to Blockbuster itself," said Jonathan Salem Baskin, a former Blockbuster marketing communications executive). In 2011, its remaining 1700 stores were bought by Dish Network. Dish maintained a small number of Blockbuster franchise agreements, allowing some stores to remain open. By January 2018, the company's website listed nine remaining franchise-owned stores in the U.S., including six in Alaska, two in Oregon, and one in Texas. By August, the only store left was in Bend, Oregon.

[@tulioroberto9438]

Godzilla Mendonza. Niiiice

[@Brucifer2]

This reminds me of the PS1 Game for Spiderman. Spiderman and Venom break into a lab and Venom is chanting excitedly about how he gets to go on the internet.

[@gigiyura]

I freaked out when I saw GodzillaMendoza haha, great video man!

[@socialmedia4637]

Should have called the video *"The Evolution of Venom's Jaw"*

[@theajshow]

Another great episode! It was really fun getting a good overview on the creation and history of Venom. I learned something and it was fun! Win-win!

[@205mohamad]

Apperantly Eddie Brock was originally meant to be a woman, the origin story being completely different.

[@madcap3450]

Yeah spiderman was supposed to inadvertently cause the death of her husband and the miscarriage of her unborn child

[@phoof808]

@@madcap3450 oof thats oof

[@madcap3450]

@@phoof808 Yep if I recall correctly it she was pregnant and in her way to the hospital to give birth with her husband when they would run into a big fight between spiderman and some super villain resulting in a car accident with only her surviving. I believe they chose not to go with this because it was too dark and they thought it wouldn't make sense to have spidermans greatest villain be a woman

[@phoof808]

@@madcap3450 well I can agree that's a little bit too dark 😨 but that would be a really interesting character. oh and it's pretty silly concept that a woman cant be Spider mans ultimate villain when Venom isn't even his ultimate villain in retrospect LOL

[@madcap3450]

@@phoof808 Makes you question why they didn't just flip the story so only the man survived. Would have been alot cooler than the bs reason Eddie brock did end up hating spiderman and I say that as a massive venom fan

[@jakejones4801]

Brock is always going to be my favorite. I was a big fan of the original macfarlane run on him. But his best solo story to me is lethal protector. Very enjoyable. I love venom, his character design and his backstory as a disgraced journalist, really works for me. 👌🏼 great vid

[@jsoupy7394]

Dude, love this episode, first one I've seen. Seems like you really care about your research and also sharing the spotlight. Loving the integrity, loving the deadpan. Keep doing what you're doing man. Hope you're cat's okay

[@therealtom]

I really thought that little skit in the middle was gonna suck but it was actually pretty funny

[@KTF0]

Venom got me into comics. I joined in the perfect time (ASM #297) I still have issue #300 as it is my most sentimental issue. Venom knew everything about Spidey, knew his family and was stronger. In the early issues, Spidey ALWAYS had to outsmart him and ALWAYS had to neutralize him. I think Eddie Brock had a sense of justice, but, was a jerk. He was the opposite of Spidey. They ruined him and symbiotes in the later 90s, and I wish they brought it back to that concept. I also love the idea of Spidey not really being good enough to beat Carnage and having to begrudgingly team up with Venom.

[@phoof808]

Love it! Venom is just a jealous crazy ex lol Its really sad tho, symbiotes are really just sponges that get influenced so heavily on their hosts, very emotional creatures I really like Venom: The hunger and Venom: First Host. Eddie's and Venom's relationship really stands out as lovers its really sweet, they refer to eath other as love, and raise a (symbiote) kid.

[@raam726]

Imo, this relationship has been very well written in the film and is the best part of it.

[@frostywasp1743]

Pretty much the Venom movie was a romance movie. Think about it lol

[@phoof808]

@dragon stare24 I mean that's your interpretation if you see them as only companions but in the Hunger and First host I like how they explored why and how they became to be in a relationship together. I was confused at first then I saw the little heart with the the end and I was like oh! and I thought it was sweet. The 2016-2018 run also solidifies it with even greater depth as they they've been together through trials and tribulations and explore that. Theyre learning to love. It's surprising to see a standard comic book be presented as also romance that works so well LOL

[@jascarnage7chaosofdarkness818]

Phoof ! Am I the only one who thinks that a romantic relationship with a symbiote is weird? It's supposed to symbolize a relationship figuratively, not literally. Except with Kasady, he calls it his darlin' because he isn't all there.

[@MILDMONSTER1234]

@@phoof808 It can definitely be interpreted in multiple different ways but that's probably how the relationship actually it

[@Nagassh]

I missed a lot of the churned out Venom comics, so I think I was saved. Eddie Brock Venom is the only Venom I like, and they're one of my favorite spidey villains - probably because my memories of them are purely the early Eddie Brock ones before he became so overused - I love the dark, irresponsible version of Spiderman that has an addiction-like bond and dependency to their powers as opposed to Peter, who would probably have been happier without and has two fully functioning and seperate identities for in and our of costume. Venom being a bit of a goof is part of the symmetry.

[@thefanlair6638]

Agent Venom was pretty cool too.

[@xavigarcia9372]

@@thefanlair6638 yeah, agent Venom is the best versión of the character, Shame that Marvel went back to Brock

[@mrboerger1620]

But flash Thompson venom is fucking awesome

[@brococheda9303]

I love how when GM says “B A L L S” it slightly echoes

[@dynamicstudios6254]

Bro I got so excited when I saw that crossover with Godzillamendoza. These two are my favorite comic KZbinrs 🔥🔥🔥

[@jeggsonvohees2201]

6:51 Could I get your comic source on Venom making Peter angry? From the OG comics I read during that run, the suit took his body for joyrides, making him tired during the day, but did not affect or influence Peter's aggression. I believe that trait first appeared in the Spiderman TAS cartoon from the 90s, where it become so ingrained and well known that most people nowadays assume the suit always enhanced aggression, hence why that trait has been part of every iteration of the character going forward. Thanks!

[@cthulhupthagn5771]

he meant angry as in peter was pissed it was using him as a meat puppet

[@Bluesit32]

It did more than make him tired during the day. He would sleep for twenty four hours at a time on days.

[@drew_porter806]

In my opinion I like this trait a lot. It gives things a bit more weight

[@-m.d.n-9019]

I agree. Spider-Man 3 , and Spectacular did the same thing when he didn't have aggression problem when wearing the symbiote.

[@densealloy]

I agree with your assessment. I think the best thing in the beginning was TM visuals and how unique they were. I remember being blown away with TAS 300 when it came out but objectively it was the artwork (which I have outgrown my initial admiration of). I really got burned out with all the venom in the 90s ( comics in general went in a direction I didn't like) but when I started reading new comics in 10s, I was very happy with Agent Venom and think it is the best use of the symboyite. I could get behind a film version even.

[@MinecraftMrMen]

Wow that was super informative and easy to understand. Keep making videos like this man!

[@Rometiklan]

Another cool vid, Chris! Thanks for posting!

[@lucianganea3034]

People keep forgeting about Angelo Fortunato's time as Venom. A jobber, yes, but still was the host after Eddie and before Scorpion

[@madcap3450]

Angelo was so shitty the suit ditched him mid air lol

[@cthulhupthagn5771]

they forget him with good reason. it was short and pointless and added nothing of substance. IMHO someone came up with him after reading The Darkness

[@madcap3450]

@dragon stare24 I always saw Lee as nothing more than a stepping stone back to Eddie theres nothing to hate really

[@madcap3450]

@dragon stare24 I actually forgot all about MadCap the super villain. I came up with my name by combining a insult a British friend of mine used to call people and a mispronunciation of my last name lol

[@Bluesit32]

@@madcap3450 I WOULD think that, if Lee didn't come back, steal the Mania symboite and somehow control people with it. And he looks so stupid with it just on his face...

[@midgesdaddy]

You are an awesome content maker you fricken rock

[@nath9000]

It’s really cool that Godzilla Mendoza is in these videos

[@RyanJamesOfficial]

subbed because you just taught me so much about my favorite comicbook character

[@RowdyRodimus]

How can Todd be credited with creating Venom since A) the idea already existed B) the costume already existed C) Eddie Brock already existed D) Someone else wrote the story that combined B and C and gave the character the name Venom? Todd was just an artist for hire who drew from a script. Plain and simple. Larson just played himself and you never play yourself.

[@mikecahall542]

RowdyRodimus Todd’s a real dick

[@caligulapontifex5759]

I agree. Should Todd be credited with helping evolve the Alien costume concept into one of Marvel's premier villains? Absolutely. But if he is taking sole credit for this without acknowledging the writers and artists that came before him then that's a lot of BS in my opinion. Interesting that Byrne is also taking some credit. Never knew about that angle to the story.

[@jasondiend4248]

Yeah Todd can't be credited for creation he didn't design Venom he didn't write Venom he drew Venom. He might have added things to the character but that would be just like adding organic webbing to Peter. So does the person who came up with organic webbing for Peter get credit for creating Spider-man? Todd gets credit where its due he created the animalistic aspects of the character in design. That is claws and teeth. I have always hated that he takes credit for Venom.

[@Jojo-oi5vi]

Exactly what i been thinking for years, i even made a comment, that the concept and idea was already there, todd just draw something that was right there for him to already do.

[@Jojo-oi5vi]

Jason Diend all todd had to do is make the black suit big and give it a mouth, like i was so annoyed why his credited for creatig venom and when the others that someone said had little importants on making venom, is actually the one's who are important on making venom, from the black suit being alive, symbiote, and design of the costume, they have more importants on creating venom then todd that just happen to drawn something that was already there.

[@Lqw17]

I laughed at the spiderman bit

[@asifnewazmohammad9603]

I am so happy you channel is growing, Chris!

[@Ishida1694]

Great work!!!!!! This was a wonderful video!

[@ozzy9101]

Thank you for this video, one of my friends was saying “ohh but venom is a serious character who doesn’t joke, this new venom isn’t like venom in Spider-Man 3” then this video pops up, definitely showing that doofus who’s wrong

[@justinh4576]

Off topic: Imma be real with a lot of y’all, personally I never thought Venom was the type of character that works on his own, he can have his own solo outings but only if there’s a pre-existing Spider-Man in that universe, like when people hear about Venom being in a movie they’re not getting excited for venom in particular, they’re excited about the idea that at some point in the future we will get to see the dynamic between Spider-Man and Venom

[@MGComics]

I absolutely love how much dedication goes into your videos. I really respect and admire your work ethic, thank you for sharing! As someone that doesn’t know almost anything about US comics, this is awesome 👏🏼

[@J.Skyler]

Your channel has great content man. I appreciate the hard work you put in them.

[@lildallas9425]

That Spider-Man skit was hilarious 😂

[@IanOPadrick]

I got to meet Sam de la Rosa at the movie theater I work at. He was selling his artwork in the lobby, by permission from the managers. He did the artwork for the first issues of Venom: Lethal Protector. He's really nice and funny, down to earth. Bought some of his artwork, he's a fantastic artist, too

[@deezy81]

Awesome.

[@DirArronQuinn]

I am so happy I found this channel!

[@Hyper_Vyle]

Dude I've been binge watching your channel now for weeks, why is your content so good

[@ShawnWeeded510]

I think Venom can work well in a darker more serious direction similar to what Marvel is doing with Venom and Carnage now but I'd like to see some horror comics with Venom and Carnage similar to the Marvel Now Carnage solo book from a few years ago. Agent Venom is cool but we should still her a horror comic in the same real of the film "The Thing" and Prototype the game.

[@MADVILLAIN669]

She-Venom is hot af.

[@MADVILLAIN669]

You say it like its a bad thing.

[@MADVILLAIN669]

This is probably the kinkiest superhero movies have been since Batman Returns

[@MADVILLAIN669]

y? You think you can do better?

[@MADVILLAIN669]

dragon stare24 Mostly stuff that you use tor browser for

[@MADVILLAIN669]

Why do you insist on trying to apply for my internet service browser so much???!

[@TheJMuise87]

Great video Chris! Never read the agent venom line of stories. Definitely picking that up soon!

[@cmilliones]

Just found this channel and I am now hooked

[@NewbyTon]

*eats person* Yea I got a parasite

[@lsgreger2645]

You have put up so many live streams in the past week, I didn't think you would have a video this week. Your fans are getting spoiled.

[@Joeofthemasks]

Love your stuff!

[@TheBohobemeister]

Wonderful video!

[@linknlog]

Have you read the Donny Cates and Ryan Stegman series that is currently ongoing? It's far and away the best series I've read with Eddie Brock as Venom.

[@snewton250]

@dragon stare24 but Knull wasnt taken care of, just that manifestation of him..the Grendle symbiote is what burned with Knulls more powerful connection to & through it, but Knull is still there in space encaged by the Klyntars..

[@derekhanson4868]

I have volume 1, and will be buying volume 2 on Friday. Its a great story

[@DestroyerTriple]

been following since isue 2. absolutely phenominal

[@leelizard7738]

I kind of like how goofy venom is, also I’m excited for the upcoming movie I think it could be pretty ok

[@fishtanksamurai7786]

Good stuff, love the Godzilla Mendoza cameo! Liked the movie alot too. Keep up the good work.

[@AgentLennox]

Very nice video. Very informative. Thanks.

[@99jmaster]

Holy shit Godzilla Mendoza is in this

[@bigwangjohnson]

Why is Venom being goofy a defense of not having an R rating? Especially when you reference Deadpool...

[@icecubedirectorofshield6636]

@Mike Noir Exactly. They want him to be a generic edgelord version of Spider-man while acting like they are super fans of the character.

[@lugaruclone]

Because if their comic book movies are not R rated they get insecure that they are watching kids movies. I've even seen calls for an R Rated He-Man movie.

[@bigwangjohnson]

Mike Noir I appreciate the point but it doesn’t require him to have a PG-13 rating, either. Yes, Eddie is more edgelord than actual killer. But a benefit an R rating could provide is that it frees up the humor to be more adult, something the Deadpool movies took advantage of. Is it necessary to have an R rating? No, but I doubt very much it would have hurt and would have probably benefitted a character whose fan base is primarily edgelords themselves (adult edgelords at that!) And just to clarify, I’m speaking specifically in regards to Venom and not all properties. An R rated HeMan or Power Rangers (overall wholesome properties made to target a particularly young audience) would be a total cringe-fest; just watch any of the fan made trailers/movies for proof! ;)

[@thegentlexylophone]

@Mike Noir The Punisher doesnt mindlessly kill people either

[@thegentlexylophone]

@Mike Noir Just because Venom isn't a mindless killing machine doesnt mean he isnt a violent enough character to warrant an R rating. I was making the comparison to Punisher because he isnt a mindless animal like you said some people think Venom is, and yet he still stars in R rated movies. Venom kills people. He isnt a brainless savage, but he still kills and eats people. That's violent enough to warrant an R rating to me.

[@smith9747]

David Micheline and Paul Jenkins were probably the only writers who did great stories with Eddie Brock as Venom. And the 90s show and Spectacular Spider-Man really did him justice.

[@spagzs]

Dude, this is the best channel I just found.

[@Frankenstein077]

Wow... the _last_ Blockbuster...

[@thephoenixhasflown]

Venom and freaking Carnage fight on the freaking internet! Okay, I'm in LOL and rofl!

[@Bonesph]

I know it's so fucking stupid.

[@Nina.playdead]

love the collab!

[@JaredPoirier]

Love the channel Chris! 😊

[@pastorhulk7174]

They got my boy GM here😀

[@GodzillaMendoza]

ayy

[@pastorhulk7174]

@@GodzillaMendoza I'm a huge fan man😀

[@coleschubert9868]

I didn't know the bomb squad was in this video.

[@deannagarrison6562]

Thanks for making this! This was a great video. I never knew there was so much history to Venom. Godzilla Mendoza made a fun cameo as Spider-Man. I feel like Venom being overpowered and overhyped was just a 90s issue in general.

[@UltYT]

okay, this video is goin to be pretty good... *GodzillaMendoza appears* *gets popcorn*

[@kevincarballo1]

MENDOZAAA!!!

[@WuffKawaii]

I genuinely like silly, goofball Venom. I don't care for the edgy, overly serious stuff; but it isn't bad sometimes. I think he's pretty fun when done right.

[@imacat1233]

Lmfao the Godzillamendoza cameo with skip Westcott loll

[@rogertayloRRR]

"Lack of responsibility" good tie in btwn eddie and the alien. Never thought of that