Which Is The Best Destroyer? (Star Trek factions compared)

[@davebignell773]

Now that’s an unexpected result! But I am a huge Miranda class fan, so very happy to see the old girl finally getting the respect she deserves.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

i mean there's a reason we see it all the way through the war.

[@frostysimon101]

I just had a thought: we've never seen Breen ships cloak in small scale or large scale fights. Why? They are not trained up in group tactics compared to the Romulan Imperial Navy. Breen ships try cloaking in a battle they risk collision with their own ships. The Romulans are a standing fleet and probably don't miss out on any training on any scale.

[@occultatumquaestio5226]

What I got from the Tactical Score: As expected, the Saber unsurprisingly takes the lead. What I got from the Strategic Score: A surprisingly logical in-universe reason for why half of the entire UFP fleet was Mirandas.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Glad you agree.

[@anthonyevans7718]

given that sabre was only just entering service at the time and it was part of large fleet moderation project starting with the introduction of the galaxy class

[@AvroBellow]

@@anthonyevans7718 Except that the Sabre-class is a frigate, not a destroyer. The Norway-class is a destroyer.

[@stevec5465]

Only Spaceball-1 can transform into ....... Mega-maid

[@MrGunlover12]

Mirandas remimd me of the Clemson/wickes classes of destroyers from the second world war navy. Outdated by newer designs but with so many in service

[@stangundam01]

now I really wish we got more sabers instead of all those miranda's we got in DS9

[@madrabbit9007]

The Miranda has the advantage of numbers, there were an ungodly number of them built and on DS9 you see them exploding like Oberths but they just keep coming! I've also seen some sources say that it had more internal volume than a Constitution meaning it can take more hits than the smaller ships. On the down side we never see them go through a major upgrade like the Constitutions for some reason. In the TNG era they are still running TOS movie necells. All in all, the Saber is still my pick. To command a destroyer is the life of romance and adventure where you live fast, die young and leave a good looking corpse.

[@Raptorx911]

Ok Jingles. :)

[@madrabbit9007]

@@Raptorx911 I love Jingles!

[@Eshanas]

Exactly, I would had loved to see a miranda with TNG livery, windows, phaser strips, and nacelles. Same with Excelsiors.

[@barrybend7189]

@@Eshanas STO has those refits.

[@Athrin01]

Fun Fact: the Saber was DESIGNED BEFORE contact with the Borg but never built, it was a System Patrol/Pirate hunter ship but repurposed for anti-Borg combat after contact.

[@rmcdudmk212]

Another great comparison video. Soon we will have one for every class of ship. Bring on the transport ships! 😎

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

that would legit be cool. i wish there were more to flesh out the universe.

[@rmcdudmk212]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 right

[@highcommand4786]

Very pleased to see the Mirandas being given some respect for once. It's a workhorse. It's an all rounder. It's an old design that can still holds up. It's seen off plenty of newer designs that have come and gone. There's still some flying around at the end of the battle of Sector 001 amidst the wreckage of newer anti-borg ships, so it has to have something going for it.

[@auspiciousman]

Or the fact that the Borg ignore things they don’t see as threats.

[@highcommand4786]

@@auspiciousman fair comment. One of the first ship classes they took out at Wolf 359 though, after the Excelsior.

[@QuinnCat1918]

You know, I came here resigned to see the old Mirandas getting ruthlessly dunked on but this was a pleasant surprise and you make a lot of good points. I’m just a fan of the design and look of the Miranda in general. It looks very plausible and useful for some reason :)

[@enterprise1701e]

Will you come back to these? These comparisons were very interesting to watch, and I loved the breakdowns. It seems like you're still missing the various cruisers: Light, Battle, Heavy, and Standard. Since there are so many on the Federation side (yes, Federation bias in play), maybe have a narrow-down poll or something?

[@tullyDT]

I am a huge Miranda fan boy but to be honest I was pleasantly surprised to see it come out on top. I guess I'm just conditioned to seeing it lose/blow up due to TNG and DS9's lack of budget for more ship designs, but I really can't fault your reasoning. Thanks for giving the old girl a fair deal.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Glad you agree.

[@thehillbillygamer2183]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 why you green-blooded in human pointiered hobgoblin

[@dixonsimpkins905]

In DS9, the Mirandas are frequently shown with an impulse glow on the back of the weapons pod, where the aft torpedoes are on the model. I'd interpret this to mean there is a specific "destroyer" variant of the Miranda that replaces the aft torpedoes with impulse drive for improved acceleration and maneuverability.

[@markshaw431]

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[@robertbarrows6687]

You should do a comparison of Star Trek ships of this class with Star Wars, Babylon 5, Halo, etc. down the line! It'd be awesome.

[@wedgeantillies66]

Another brilliantly awesome and informatively intriguing gem of a ship breakdown video. Was curious to know when the next Dominion War battle breakdown video will be coming out next?

[@mackenziebeeney3764]

I think the sabers strategic shortfalls will come away as it enters mass production, it’ll still be expensive comparatively but the increase quality means it can take anything else in 1v1 of its weight class comfortably.

[@miamijules2149]

Awesomeness Sauce For My Thursday Evening?! Thank You Venom!

[@seansteinbacher6449]

Can you do a video like this with the galaxy class be interesting to see how it compares to the other capital ships

[@curtiswoodard6195]

I’d say the saber would probably be even lower on the maintenance spectrum because the nacelles are under armor everything is built for protection. Sure less likely to be shot up but when it’s time for preventative or overhaul maintenance you have to get in there to do the work. The Miranda is the opposite end everything is hanging off a pylon take one off toss another on in out done especially when you add in the economy of scale with so many out there would mean tons of spare parts. Even even when they are ancient they would be able to cannibalize and salvage parts to keep them running.

[@LARGO125]

One thing about the Miranda. I think it was faster than you perhaps give it credit for. It uses the same size and design of impulse drive as the refit Constitution class. A heavy cruiser in the 23rd, probably a light/medium cruiser in the 24th century. In STWOK, the Reliant was faster than the Enterprise at Impulse, even once the Enterprise regained partial main power.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

But faster than a 23rd century heavy cruiser isn't saying much.

[@jbz4788]

In either the last or 2nd to last Ds9 episode we see a Miranda having similar speed to a small Breen ship. And then take in account the Cetac and the Majestic who were battling directly alongside the Defiant in the battle to retake Ds9. Which implies they have similar Manoeuvrability to the Defiant. (As per Spacedock’s “Why mixed squadrons are a bad idea” video mixed flight speed/turn rates etc hamstring the other ships to a certain degree)

[@_BLACKSTAR_]

OF COURSE the Miranda is reliable, she is modeled after the "Reliant"😁

[@gunny419]

My opinion on the saber is Starfleet finished the defiant and said we could/can make it work, but honestly this thing is a bit too expensive to have in the numbers we need. they then when off and made the sabers as a good enough ship that they could build in the numbers they felt they needed.

[@theunitedcommonwealth715]

I love the longer videos im sure the members do too.

[@ussvoyager8650]

That was a really great video I enjoyed it very much I always thought the Saber class would win

[@phecto]

Acceleration isn't solely based on mass, it'd be mass to power ratio. If your ship has twice the mass but 4 times the engine power it will still be faster

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Yes but in order to make a comparison they are generally taken as equal.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Yes but in order to make a comparison they are generally taken as equal.

[@IanNCC1701]

As always, great video.

[@jonnybridin]

You say we never see the sabre class use quantum torps so they don't count. But we never see the Norway class use them either. But you included quantums in its arsenal in the last vid. 🤔 Don't get me wrong, I agree that the sabre class most likely doesn't have them, but the Norway being a smaller class used in groups, prob didn't have them either. Great vids, I'm really enjoying them 👍

[@carolheward6479]

Not all sabres had the twin forward phasers but those that did had the second warp core just to power the extra twin phasers and were made as hard hitting escort ships designed with the borg in mind. You have to take the sabres original powerful version into account a whole warp core to power twin phasers would be very powerful

[@carolheward6479]

Ive only just started this vid but out of these ships i would vote the sabre as having the most firepower because of the sabres with a second warp core to feed its twin forward phasers

[@haroldcarfrey4206]

The Winged Defender was built to compete with the Constitution class, but she suffers to problem with Romulan weaponry, they are short ranged...

[@sonofeyeabovealleffoff5462]

For Star Trek I'll take number 5, the Winged Defender. For StarGate, I'll take an upgraded Anubis Ha'tak, for Star Wars I'll take a Victory-class 1, and for Warhammer, I'll take a Necron Jackal.

[@dragdragon23]

One thing about older ships, Is when they are no longer top dog, The parts made go to nothing. How often do we see older stuff with hard to find parts? Like in rifles, It's easy to see the m4 pattern, But the ar15a1(millions were made) or Older cars that had millions of spare parts until the model is out of date and The parts disappear ? Gone like the wind! So it goes here as well!

[@robertbarrows6687]

Isn't the Breen Energy Dampener too just the Star Trek version of a Star Wars Ion Cannon or do they act differently?

[@tilasole3252]

Do you ever allow for a tie? Seems like a lot of these ships are equally well suited, but you force one to be better than the other, just to achieve 1-5 scoring.

[@Kittamaru]

Is it just me, or is the 'Miranda' pictured in the chart actually a Soyuz? It just looks like it has the large phaser turret on the back... Maybe just shadowing?

[@sim.frischh9781]

The Winged Defender wins aestetically, it has this wonderful raptor style typical for Romulan ships. Very beautiful. But i also like the Sabre exactly because it´s so ugly. Miranda is a classic, certainly a plus point for those who appreciate the traditional looks. Cardassian ships almost look like maces and axes, not bad, but not really to my personal liking. Breen is fascinating in it´s asymmetry, i´m not a fan of that, but on this ship, it does look cool.

[@TimothyChapman]

2 impulse engines on either side of the center of mass = high maneuverability? What about pitch control? No wonder the Federation needs two slots.

[@auspiciousman]

There’s gotta be a bunch of rcs thrusters, or the 24th century equivalent, along both sides of the saucer. Obviously that isn’t as good as an implulse engine but with all the space compared to the sides of a ship, thrusters would be better than they would be on the sides of a ship.

[@stuew6]

For me Best is Starfleet Class-Soyur Heavy Destroyers or Custom Cutter

[@wessmensching8930]

I am reasonably certain that the Klingons would have had a better option for a Destroyer than the Breen (Especially since you are willing to pull a FASA Romulan Heavy Cruiser into the modern era)... One could have pulled the same trick with the D-10 (Originally a Heavy Cruiser)... Although I can understand having both sides of the Dominion War being represented fairly as well... Useful analysis though... I certainly would not have expected the Reliant class (again since you dragged in the FASA books) to win out.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

I imagine the d-10 would stick to its role as assault transport.

[@kelmacett2456]

is there anyway i could get a hold of these models? would love to print them?

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Not specifically but I'd be surprised if there wasn't one somewhere

[@GRIGGINS1]

The Miranda is Fred G Sanford and the Saber is Thomas Magnum. Like Fred Sanford the Miranda held things down back in the day. Way back in the day. And like Thomas Magnum the Saber is wrecking the enemy forces on more recent times.

[@datastorm75]

Every time we see a Miranda in the Dominion War it gets evaporated instantly. I'm not sure its as tough as you think it is.

[@carolheward6479]

Mass has less impact on speed than the ships power levels. A ship could have ten times the mass of another ship but still be faster in acceleration and top speed and manovreability. Good vid still. The romulan ship in this vid was in a game called legacy and i think it had a different name. I know the games are not ways official.

[@_Omega_Weapon]

Sir, the overall mass of a starship has no bearing on it's top warp and cruising speed. Just take Voyager and the Prometheus for instance. It's about the power of it's engine, fuel efficiency, how much fuel it can reasonably carry in war time, and the quality of the warp coils. A warp bubble is basically mass displacement. Constricting the space in front of a vessel whilst expanding the space behind it. Rendering it's mass in this case irrelevant.

[@xarglethegreat]

I have a quible with your cost/maintenance scores for the saber, also for the other antiborg ships in these ranking lists, I think you are ranking them too low, by the time of the dominion war most of them are entering series production for starfleet, particularly for the saber, but also for the defiant and norway class, parts would be more readily available as production would be ongoing and final assembly would be a more likely bottleneck than component construction, the saber for example probably cost significantly less built new than a Miranda did when the design was new, and while Miranda class vessels could be kept in service by upgrades new production wouldnt be a thing, Crew being more of a strategic limit than the federations capability to build hulls and mirandas being a more crew intensive design for the same capability. Mirandas are kind of the Mig21 of the federation, produced in large numbers in intial service, some upgraded and with trouble can be made semi capable in modern era but the later mig 29 is much more capable and is easier to build/maintain and replace as its production capacity is still in service. or the M60 tank verus the M1, the M60 could be upgunned and upgraded but wasnt as capable as a M1 and parts are in very limited supply NB not actually quite true for the MiG 29 but thats more due to the collapse of the USSR

[@red.5475]

That Miranda looks suspiciously like a Soyuz class starship. 😂

[@erictolle6847]

Note that the Miranda class is actually slightly larger than the Constitution Class. Therefore if you consider the Miranda a destroyer, then you'd have to consider the old Enterprise a destroyer.

[@Athrin01]

The problem with the Mirandas was they were built using Explodium Alloy

[@jonuiuc]

So saber would have done better with range and capability if you scaled it up closer to Miranda size, maybe 223m?

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Yeah but look at the comparison chart. Imagine how wiiide a 223m saber would be.

[@jonuiuc]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 it would be a big boi yes. I like 190m for it when I do eyeball scalings in photoshop. I like the sabre as a more sane usage of the underlying defiant powerplant, with a more conventional/flexible/less costly weapons loadout and more crew/longer deployment/less maintenance design.

[@shadowvessel]

The Defiant is a Destroyer Class. Smaller, faster, agile, heavily armed ship of the fleet🤘

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

too small

[@shadowvessel]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 It's not a fighter, though. So what is it? Lol The Defiant's firepower has to play a role in its classification, doesn't it? Each one of those pulse phaser blasts are the equivalent to one beam shot. It has 4 forward mounted phasers that are firing one of these beam shots every split second in a fashion that penetrates shields at a higher rate 🤷

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

@@shadowvessel An attack ship. same as the Jem'hadar fighter and klingon B'rel

[@shadowvessel]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 But has the firepower of a dreadnought. That doesn't count at all?

[@philly83]

The defiant is an "escort"

[@phoboskittym8500]

Why Miranda? Its from an earlier era.. Modernized Miranda's still in service, used against the dominion or borg conflicts would have Modernized weapons and sheilds, its "mega-phasers" would also be updated, pretty much every system would be upgraded...

[@HITMANPegas]

I would put #1Winged Defender #2 Sabre #3Raislak #4 Plesh Brek #5 Miranda

[@georgemercer402]

Would the Negh'Var of the Klingon empire be a candidate for this video?

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

no thats way too big. already covered it in the battleships video.

[@georgemercer402]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 Perhaps a dreadnought then; THX

[@ycplum7062]

Pretty good overall. I really think consideration should have been given to sensors. It is tough to kill (or avoid being killed) what you can't see. For maneuverability, you should have given ships with armor lower scored since they tend to have some hefty mass. I do not see teh Breen as a destroyer. It seems more of a commerce raider or privateer. Canon has it that warp nacelles should be in pairs because odd number nacelles (except for one) are harder to balance. As such, I think odd number nacelles are easier to knock out of warp.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Yeah the breen raider was more pressed into the role. Odd number nacelles are less stable but allow more maneuverable.

[@teresaravenshaw5477]

Dancing with Borg Cubes, worst episode of Come Dance With Me ever.

[@trekwars5400]

I agree except for the Saver in the Miranda the other Miranda has a lot more weapons but there's such low yield and old as Sabre has five Type X phasers 2 torpedo launchers.. I'm just saying type x phasers are a world of heart from type 9 or type 7

[@kevinwestrom4775]

I'm surprised no Klingon ships were considered,.. & using a older generation Federation ship vs a newer generation Federation ship.. in the lineup.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

The klingons don't really have anything that fits.

[@anthonyevans7718]

what would you say is the best cruiser or frigate of the dominion war

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

That... is the subject for another video.

[@AgeCobra]

Don't forget the Akia was replacing the Miranda's and some of the got upgraded warp cores .weapons and shields.

[@matthewcaskey1051]

Plesh brek has to get in close enough for transporters, as mercenaries and pirates.

[@shanenolan8252]

Cheers

[@sammy-gd7hw]

So the miranda is classified as a cruiser. However it fits the role of a cruiser and destroyer. The destroyer class is more the defiant class. The miranda is so versital it can be used for a light attack cruiser, light cruiser,destroyer or a transport. This is pro obly the most versatile ship ever made by the federation. It has many roles.

[@sammy-gd7hw]

Think the miranda should have at least a 3 in speed. In the dominion wars I remember it traveling past the dominon battleships quite quickly. Almost as quick as some of the fighters.

[@paulrasmussen8953]

I think miranda should have ranked hire in damage potential. She is an ex light cruiser

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

but from the 23rd century.

[@Athrin01]

Type 7 phasers, when modern ships standard are type 10

[@joeg1915]

Watching the Miranda get its teeth kicked in by the Jem Hadar ships in DS9 makes me have an anti-Miranda bias. Shame on me.

[@cmdrtianyilin8107]

I think the best Federation Destroyer would be 29th Century Wells class U.S.S. Relativity, but instead of being very tactical focused it relies on creating spatial and temporal anomalies instead.

[@rodan9773]

What kind of ships are The Tholians Ships ?.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Well they are very small...

[@VoxApollyon]

Oh hey that's me.

[@tsechejak7598]

Saber has more weapons quantity then Norway, so saber hits harder then Miranda class.

[@philiptai2675]

I guess the Klingons would have the K'vort as a destroyer?

[@thehillbillygamer2183]

I think the Prometheus shouldn't separate it all and that little tiny cell that comes out the top to provide warp for the triangle saucer section should be a really powerful disruptor Cannon like say it's at least it's powerful is one of the neck bars cannons but it's accurate it actually is a negative from the Klingons that's been adapted to come out and at full power maybe it can fire four shot bars or something and they just keep it for like in case they run into like a Dominion battleship or something or they could or it could also have 20 or 25 vertical launched quantum torpedoes like that thing would open up and 25 verticals with fire all at once maybe just 20 or even 30 how many to fit in there and have at least one reload real fast reload not counting its other torpedoes they could use this for like one after space stations or bombarding the planet surface Voyager had this illegal subspace weapon on board and I was even made to fit torpedo tubes

[@tkardaishou]

VenomGeekMedia: "Here's some destroyers!" DS9 writers: "Do you see those Galor-class destroyers?" no. no I don't.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Writers wouldn't know a destroyer from a corvette.

[@jimsparro]

Cardassian ships lag decades behind in terms of technology. So in any straight fight against any other major races ships of simmilar tonnage the cardassians would lose. after refits even the older starfleet and romulan ships would easily outclass the cardassians

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

the gap is always closing. the Raisilak entered service in the 2360s so could easily match miranda and winged defender though it is beaten out by the saber.

[@aimlessontheinternet8580]

With the Miranda class, I think it's hard to say what technology has been incorporated. In DS9 we saw with an Exelsior class that it is possible to incorporate the new technologies into these old designs without any problems. So I can see technologies that are used in anti-Borg ships like the Saber class being used in ships like the Miranda class. And in preparation for the Dominion War, the Federation will have upgraded as many ships as possible. So I would say two types of Miranda and Exelsior class ships were used in the Dominion War. The first group of Miranda class ships are ships that have been upgraded in preparation for the war. And the second group, in my opinion, are the ships to which this evaluation refers. These are ships that have suffered during peacetime. Where Starfleet has gone soft. Where the UFP became lax in the development and upgrading of weapons and shields.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

i see that Lokata refit as something rare, it wouldn't be practical fleet wide. the only 'anti borg' system that could be easily incorporated is modulating shields which isn't that useful most of the time. even if you added type X phasers they'd be single emitter and the strength of the type X is that it could be chained together in an array.

[@Athrin01]

The Miranda Class is also far older than the Excelsior Class, if you have to gut the ship to its beams to refit it, might as well build a brand new ship with a new design.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

@@Athrin01 which the saber basically is.

[@aimlessontheinternet8580]

@@Athrin01 Yes, the basic design of the Miranda class is older than that of the Exelsior class. And some things have indeed aged badly and need to be reworked. For example, the phaser emitters. They should be changed to phaser arrays. The basis of the Miranda class is the saucer section of the Constitution class. There may be design weaknesses in the saucer section that mean that this ship type urgently needs to be reworked. But the question is when was the ship built? Is this a Miranda class that was built shortly before the Dominion War and uses new technologies? And may have received additional upgrades in preparation for the war. Or is the Miranda class ship 30 years old and about to be decommissioned because it can no longer meet Starfleet's minimum requirements? And larger upgrades will probably only have been made to ships that have been brought back into space dock, for example to add weapons modules.

[@Athrin01]

@@aimlessontheinternet8580 realisticly no miranda should have been built during the Excelsior/Ambassador class era and beyond, if you need mirandas being built in shipyards from DS9 episodes if only for money saving because the mirandas are already been "draw" so to say and costs nothing for them to add to the show, that is why during the dominion war you see crap tons of Mirandas, Excelsiors, Galaxies classes but few to none of the other classes like Ambassadors, springfield, new orleans ect

[@sr_h3630]

Eu tava torcendo pro tijolo de pelúcia

[@robertbarrows6687]

And why not have one of the smaller versions of the Klingon Bird of Prey on this list?

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

its an attack ship. too small.

[@robertbarrows6687]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 There are destroyer sized ones aren't there?

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

@@robertbarrows6687 can be yeah. but i already covered the BOP in attack ships.

[@RandomTrinidadian]

Always thought Sabers were more like light cruisers.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Depends on the size. See my shipchat on the saber.

[@RandomTrinidadian]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 well i always though the Saber was a light cruiser brcause i reneber reading a beta years ago that said the Saber was "the spirtual successor" to the Miranda. Which was classified as a "Light Cruiser" But i am willing to accept that as time passed, the Miranda would be used more like a Destroyer until the Centaur-class came about, which i remember hearing it being a Destroyer.

[@thehillbillygamer2183]

Are you saying the Kardashian ship and parts need to be basically squatty proof to use a British phrase squatty you know like if it's squatty proof then the average British soldier is not going to be able to break it cuz if there's a way they will they'll find it

[@teresaravenshaw5477]

Surely the Saber would burn that Romulan relic.

[@haroldcarfrey4381]

The Miranda outgunned the Winged Defenders when she was built. They were both Light Cruisers...

[@kyleandolina273]

interesting how you're using a soyuz class In the chart view instead of a miranda class. one could argue that the soyuz is a heavily modified miranda, but next generation kept them as different classes.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

They are built on the same model. So I feel that they are the same class.

[@AgeCobra]

I would say a modernized Miranda would do better and what about the bird of Prey Klingon .

[@muffin2007]

I am not totally sure where you get the Breen are pirates and raiders, the only thing that I can really find is that they are warriors. I don't feel like you are really looking at the Breen ships correctly. Breen ships are modular and organic so they should be really easy to maintain. If you have the ability to disable a ship from range, you would always take that option because it makes the engagement much safer, I don't see this as a reason to say that they have weaker weapons because they have this type of technology. I don't feel like you are really giving them correct scores because you keep saying they are raiders and pirates, I feel are a lot more support to say the Klingons are more of raiders and pirates and can't really find anything about the Breen

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Yeah it's an assessment that's largely shaped by beta Canon and fan theories. But it helps make sense why the breen are so different. And historically pirates relied more on speed than firepower.

[@nunya3163]

I would expect a true pirate/raider to use an easily maintained vessel.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

It's more the issue of nonstandardisation creating longer and more complex supply chains.

[@philly83]

Now I'm hungry for pancakes

[@tsechejak7598]

The saber a heavier hitter than stated here.

[@ajac009]

On the quantom torpedoes being "expensive" there is no money in Star trek.. couldn't they just replicate more? Love how the replicator can make everything except when it needs to for a plot lol and the breen weapons maybe powerful still the draining weapon may have been developed to help them in the long run thinking in the future not just now... and the defiant is considered a DESTROYER.. escort sooo

[@IamVendel]

Pretty sure replicators have to use existing material to make...well whatever. They don't just create out of nothing.

[@ajac009]

@@IamVendel pretty sure they convert energy into matter....

[@russellmz]

I think creating anti matter is resource expensive, whether it is time or skill or whatever.

[@Pasterscott]

Hyper pedantic point, your Miranda image is actually a Soyuz class, like the Bozeman.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

personally thats just another miranda variant.

[@thehillbillygamer2183]

When the romulans first found out what happened to The Odyssey and how two Jim Hadar small attack craft destroyed a Galaxy class with ease and they learned more about the Dominion I think they brought back an old bird they made a modern version of the 22nd century ship the one that encountered Jonathan Archer a modern version of that it will be exactly 100 m long it would have the best romulan cloaking device in the most powerful pulse disruptors in the front right where they used to be centered on either side it would have a front facing twin plasma torpedoes modern version now these wouldn't be as powerful in comparison of the old ones but they would be at least five times more powerful than a standard photon torpedo and each Cannon could fire a two-shot burst at full power that's four of the plasma torpedoes each one is five times more powerful than a photon torpedo a top six the most powerful photos Pinellas powerful as a quantum this would do a lot of damage and they wouldn't have to carry torpedo ordinance on board

[@drawingdead9025]

'The least amount of mass the faster it will go.' Hmmmm, what?

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

by speed i more meant acceleration.

[@HITMANPegas]

Should remove the Miranda or the Sabre class and put in a Raptor or a B''rel class ships. The Romulan ships should have been a Strike or Lanora class. The Winged Defender outclasses all these ships.

[@AvroBellow]

It's really not entertaining to watch a video based on your assumptions. There was clearly no actual research put into this. This is based on what it is that you like, nothing more. The ship you chose as the "best destroyer" is actually a frigate, for instance. The Saber-class is roughly the same length as the Steamrunner-class but weighs some 65,000 tonnes less. That's no small amount as the Steamrunner weighs 375,000 tonnes and is still considered to be a frigate. The destroyer of Starfleet's anti-Borg initiative is the Norway-class which is about the same length as the aforementioned Saber and Steamrunner-classes but weighs 622,000 tonnes and even then is considered rather light for a destroyer as the Centaur-class destroyer is about 250,000 tonnes HEAVIER at 870,000 tonnes. You were correct that the Miranda is a destroyer because Federation destroyers have historically been scaled-down versions of the main battle cruiser of the time. The Miranda came from the Constitution, the Centaur came from the Excelsior and the Nebula came from the Galaxy. There has been no word on what the destroyer version of the Ambassador-class was but you can bet that it exists because this formula was followed both before and after. It's quite clear that you don't know the difference between a destroyer and a frigate. I suggest you learn because I've yet to see a single video that you've made of this type that wasn't an absolute clusterfrack. Your other videos are fantastic and I think that you should stick to them because that's clearly your forte.

[@enoughothis]

No destroyer for the Klingons. The B'rell couldn't squeeze in?

[@frostysimon101]

Or a Raptor

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

i mean thats old.

[@enoughothis]

@@venomgeekmedia9886, true but built when the Klingon Empire was at it's height, rather than the corrupt and crumbling ruin it became. The B'rell did take down the Enterprise D, after all. Shield frequencies or not, a Galaxy class going down to a ship about 100 years older than it is embarrassing.

[@sovietdominion]

@@enoughothis I believe that wasn't a B'rell it was a D-10 class IIRC

[@Athrin01]

@@enoughothis that was a stupid battle, the enterprise only fired once and did not fire again until they launched the torpedo to destroy the BOP, if they had gone all out like with the borg the BOP would have lasted 3 seconds, but hey movie reasons...should have been a Vorcha class instead of a BOP IMO

[@paulrasmussen8953]

Oh come on you did the miranda dirty. Yes miranda is old but they got tons of refits you bet the warp core was upgraded

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

I'm a little sceptical of such radical upgrades. Plugging a brand new engine into a 75 year old design might create problems.

[@tsechejak7598]

Winged Defender is better than the Plesh Brek

[@jasonhayes238]

Give me a miranda any day

[@danielfinn2190]

100/💯 👍🏻

[@stephenr4502]

miranda is a light cruiser not a destroyer

[@James-lh7rj]

I had so many problems with this factions compared I'm not even sure where to begin so I'm not even going to😥 (that's just my opinion I'm sorry)

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Feel free to let loose