Battlespace 'The Dominion War' The Raid on Torros III

[@Qardo]

Wow. Starfleet giving the green light to do a raid on a threat. Long before the threat decides to attack fully. Starfleet has learned! Babysteps. Babysteps.

[@Sephiroth144]

Or Star Trek writers learned...

[@neganrex5693]

@@Sephiroth144 What the writers need to learn is a Sovereign class ship can take out a Dominion battle curser with little problem.

[@neganrex5693]

Yep the UFP is like the USA. Most of the time they wait tell the problem is out of control and then act that cost many lives latter down the road on both sides. I believe when a dog kills a chicken you get on him now so it will end the problem. You save chickens and the dog knows not to do it again.

[@Qardo]

@@neganrex5693 Well, the issue is that the US has to answer to a lot of other countries and have to play politics with those countries. Even though the US could show all the evidence it needs to point out how grave a threat is to the planet (other than just simply national security for the US). It could be that countries like Russia or China are backing the threat and REALLY do not want the US to find out. Yet the threat they are backing could bite back at them and do them just as much harm. Now most times this does not seem to be the case with the UFP. Being that all the members are in agreement with defending their homes and the other UFP members. Even going so far as to agree to a...majority to assist in defending or aiding allies of the UFP. So the UFP do not have to play the same political game as the US. After all. Doesn't look good if a UFP member is caught aiding an enemy of the UFP. Unlike the US who just have to deal with so many independent nations and all of them have their own goals for control.

[@neganrex5693]

@@Qardo When it comes to defending your home and those in it, political BS must be put on the back burner or better yet in the trash can where it belongs regardless of what others think. Caption Sisko and the Klingons understand that and ready to act quickly. Lives are more important than outside feelings and who is to say the ones that reject your actions are not behind or supporting the problem them self as will and should be dialed with next. Those involved as will as those not involved will see the light and learn not to screw with you or bad things will happen on their world. Just ask the founders. The founders found their are beings out their you should not screw with and the UFP learned you need war ships and lots of them if you are going to make your self known and remain being peace loving space hippies without being looked at as bully magnets. I mean really, who are you going to respect more on the road, the guy in the tank that don't care what anybody thinks or the guy in the Yugo with feelings.

[@JoacinoDaGona]

"Never push the pink skins onto the thin ice." - Andorian proverb.

[@RuralTowner]

Gotta love Shran...

[@calanon534]

And we've proven that time and time again.

[@matthewwhite4564]

Starfleet Command: "Admiral Paris, DO NOT take any unecessary risks with the USS Sovereign!" Admiral Paris: "Ok" Admiral Paris: *immediately yeets USS Soveriegn at the nearest Dominion battle cruiser* I love this admiral's logic.

[@ThePuppywolf]

To be fair, 1 on 1 the Sovereign Class is more than a match for a Jem'hadar Battlecruiser.

[@ApsalusSigma]

Somehow that feels like a 'Like Father, Like Son' moment

[@absboodoo]

More like "Yes dad, I will take care of your car." Once outside, "Dukes of Hazzard!"

[@weldonwin]

What did you expect from Tom "Captain Proton" Paris' dad?

[@bayarsejar5831]

@@weldonwin that is very true

[@ChairmanMo]

Very nice, the introduction about the Dominion's efforts to restore the Cardassian economy is a really cool intro.

[@occultatumquaestio5226]

_"The __-Nasis-__ Dominion entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they were going to bomb everyone else, and nobody was going to bomb them." - Arthur "Bomber" Harris_

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

[@otiscarter1356]

You’re on the wrong thread Terran

[@johnilarde8440]

DO IT AGAIN!

[@THELASTOFTHEX]

Very nice old chap, I never realized that Star Trek was this much fun,I did watch the show back when it airing on television back in the days. Makes me want to go back and revisit old DS9 episodes again.Makes the current state of new Star Trek all the more tragic.

[@scifinerd1911]

Deep Space Nine had the best battle scenes

[@mikeshriver4282]

This should be fun. I appreciate the work you do. The Dominion War really made a great show way better and im glad you take the time and energy to break down the battles in a very enthusiastic and proffesional way. Cant wait to see more!! Involve the Sovereign class more. That is the only thing missing out of your work. I see a Sovereign in your promo pic so im hoping maybe that is the Enterprise-E.

[@andrewharper3165]

Brilliant! These tales of the Dominian Wars, make me appreciate DS9 even more.

[@jameslyddall]

If you like this check out by arch’s battle for Armageddon series if you like 40k. Literally 3 hour plus detailed war breakdown.

[@occultatumquaestio5226]

The fact that Starfleet both had this plan devised & were able to carry it out shows its return to a more TOS-line of thinking and that Starfleet was already close to closing the tech gap at the star of the war. Just wait until the anti-Borg roll into mass production. Also the waiting until after the 1st battle of DS9 was the smart move as it helps the UFP in the propaganda front of the war. Plus; like father like son. Admiral Owen Paris is just as impulsive and daring as Tom Paris.

[@otiscarter1356]

Too many pacifist explorer types infested star fleet command. That won’t happen again

[@GoddessTier]

@@otiscarter1356 Pacifist explorers, colonists, etc all play a vital long term role. Given control however, they would build breathtaking infrastructure networks & nodes that the Vorta could command and the Borg could assimilate into the collective.

[@TimothyChapman]

How to lose a battle: Step 1: Underestimate your enemy!

[@mattwho81]

Starfleet command: “Do not take undue risks, especially with Sovereign” Admiral Paris: “Leroy Jenkins!!!!”

[@pendelberry]

You sir are a Lore hounds dream come true, keep up the great work.

[@alexanderleach3365]

'Admiral. Message from Starfleet Command: 'Flood.'' 'So it has begun. Signal all ships to proceed to Torros III at maximum warp.' 'Aye sir!'

[@dragonsword7370]

That inclusion of the USS Sovereign class as the fleet lead. 'Chef's kiss!'

[@ISAF_Ace]

Fabian tactics, deny your opponent battle and wear them down whilst avoiding frontal battles. I liked it being used here

[@adambrown3918]

This was absolutely exceptional! Thank you!! I had no idea about the Dominion and Cardassian technology difficulties. Also, I didn't know how much planning went into the success of this battle. The TV show didn't define these types of details and mostly threw ships at ships. Thank you for fleshing this conflict out. 😊

[@shanenolan8252]

Nice name choices for the intrepid vessels, famous legacy names and mythology names are always good choices. ( this is the kind of video I will watch a few times to fully appreciate)

[@Viperflight1984]

Ever since I played Star Trek bridge commander I have always had a love for USS Sovereign and will for me always have the NCC 73811. It’s an amazing ship and in the game I was able to defeat 12-20 to 1 galor ships in that game by always rotating the ships strongest shields and using Quantum torps on the rear shields of the ships. It is still vivid in my mind and thus will always have a love for that ship since it survived the war

[@alexruddies1718]

Have you ever played the game with some of mods? There's one where you have to fly a battle group and take enemy held systems and defend allied systems. You could also eject the warp core, fly shuttlecrafts, dock IN starbases and leave by flying OUT. I mean, like ST:3 style. You could crash within the starbase also. There's escapepods, saucer separations, and distress signals, and whole lot more. Also, feck the Breen...they'll knock you out faster than the borg... Oh, and then there's the borg...

[@Viperflight1984]

@@alexruddies1718 no mate I never did sounds like fun though

[@mb2000]

8:35 Wasn’t that admiral in the middle of the picture the security guard that escorted Janeway and Admiral Patterson around the new Voyager in “Relativity”? He’s come a long way in just 7 years! Another reason for Harry Kim to cry himself to sleep at night...

[@asteropax6469]

Harry Kim received a drink from a young Ferengi at Quark’s Bat before Voyager departed DS9. When he returned, that Ferengi was a Lieutenant 😂

[@TerranceChilds-ui8nh]

Alright now that's a good video that you have done

[@MrGunlover12]

I won't be surprised if the core the fleet is one of the anti borg task forces you described

[@chrismartindale7840]

It's nice to see the Federation finally decided to wage a war without pretending their is none. If they kept that up it's amazing they found themselves losing.

[@whotubedyou]

Only a p'takh would down vote. Downvoters, you dishonor your houses and you dishonor the Klingon Empire.

[@IronWarhorsesFun]

And they dishonour the daring and bravery of those intrepid starfleet crews, dashing into the heart of enemy territory to buy time for the rest of the fleet!

[@stevenbaker8028]

@@IronWarhorsesFun kbj in n

[@stevenbaker8028]

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[@GoddessTier]

Brilliant once again! It's so amazing how a throw away line from Sisko can be crafted into an entire new chapter of the Extended Universe!

[@alexanderleach3365]

Dambuster is a perfect name for the operation.

[@mikeshriver4282]

Very good battle break down. Maybe in the future you could do the Enterprise-E in a video being that their are Enterprise-E Dominion War Novels.

[@hallanfrost2998]

Great Video, with a lot of thought having gone into it.

[@stevenewman1393]

🖖😎👍Very cool and very well done and informatively explained indeed 👌.

[@nathans3769]

Man I absolutely love your content. I have watched everyone of your battle space videos enough that my wife gets angry when she hears your voice lmfao. Please keep them coming.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

😅 Well I hope she never bumps into me in the real world.

[@kevinmcnamara9857]

Looking forward for this! Want Friday to hurry up. I love what u are doing with the dominion war n the other stuff that u have on your channel.

[@wedgeantillies66]

Another fantastically awesome and brilliantly magnificent tale of the dominion war. Beautifully showcasing just marvellously badass Starfleet can be when it, has the best of the best in ships and men at their disposal, (its anti borg task force, a pure battle fleet atits heart) and are ably and well led on a tactical level to go toe to toe with their most dangerous enemies and give them a bloody nose. Interesting question posed at the end and have to say that I see the opening battles of the war as an overall tactical win for starfleet in not only denying the enemy its key logistic supply lines and inflicting heavy damage on its infrastructure, while falling back to concentrate and mobilise its strength to fully be ready to face the enemy in a war of attrition. While even allowing for the dominions initial conquests, which over stretched their resources and left them vulnerable to eventual counterattacks.

[@beh.r_co-mando.1374]

Dude, you gotta do a Dominion War Story about Romulan ships and Klingon ships working together! Just think about it: D'deridex Warbirds with Vor'Chas at their flanks, obliterating Galors and Dominion Battlecruisers!

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

probably in the latter stages of the war most definitely.

[@dwaynegreen1786]

Fantastic summary of the battle. I always enjoy your videos and this was a battle I had not previously heard about.

[@madrabbit9007]

GREAT VIDEO! I had always wondered how that battle had played out.

[@Siege181]

Just to say, someone did notice about the Trafalgar names :) Love your content dude!

[@bestirishfirefighter]

I think this is your best video yet. Keep them coming!

[@Okiedog1]

Keep 'em coming big guy! Loving these DW vids!

[@grimmy2444]

Always wanted to see this battle , this is going to be great 😊

[@joshk96]

Awesome stuff, love the on screen breakdown of the battles

[@asteropax6469]

11:07 Looking at the ships Admiral Paris selected, I would not have gone with the Cheyennes. In their place, I would have 2 Defiants and 2 Steamrunners. If we’re talking about him having his pick of the entire fleet for his task force, I’d want to have the cream of the crop. With that said, in the way they emerge used was appropriate as they were part of a diversionary strike instead of the main assault.

[@Tyrael876]

I do have to say this entire series is fantastic. You do such a great job at narration and covering the tactics with precision. I really look forward to more of your work!

[@shanenolan8252]

Wow thanks great work an all fronts, great art writing and story

[@carolheward6479]

Good vid thats another of your vids i enjoyed. Thanks for making these they are interseting and entertaining so nice one man. I didnt know the federation launched attacks like that so early in the dominion war. Good for them.

[@aiosquadron]

Admiral Paris straight up epic trolled the dominion. Just dunking on them. Brutal. Efficient, but brutally efficient.

[@samuelcallejo1268]

nice. sovereign in action

[@Anglua]

Thank you! Your videos as always are awesome, love your narrative, pleasant voice. 😁✌🏾

[@foresta-2684]

That was incredible your videos keep getting better

[@conansmight1703]

Brilliant video. Love the detailed breakdown of the Torros system!

[@ElderNewt]

This explains a lot of things about the actions taken in the series

[@filmmusicguy26]

This is a battle i would love to see. Maybe they could do a flashback or something in one of the new star trek series. That would awesome.

[@tougheddie7297]

Keep the videos coming

[@qamarzaman9039]

You Sir are a legend and thank you

[@johnn9977]

Love all the great information you give.

[@discochan]

Fantastic videos!

[@miamijules2149]

What?! We get 21 minutes today!!? Ahhh s*** boys & girls this is going to be amazing! Now that I’ve said that, ummmm, FIRE!!! FIRE DAMN IT!! FIRE!! ATTACK PATTERN X Y & Z! Lol

[@danielboatright8887]

The network needs to fucking hire this guy.

[@mikeshriver4282]

Venom it would be awesome if you could do a "what if" video about the movie Star Trek first contact. This the video would be about when data said there's been no unusual activity along the romulan border in the past nine months. well what if there was something going on and admiral Hayes wanted the Enterprise to stay patrolling the nutrual zone for an actual reason. And when Captain Picard refused to obey that order what would be the consequences of his disobedience to the Federation from the romulans. Just a thought.

[@ussvoyager8650]

That was a really great video seeing the attack on Torres III was really cool

[@IronWarhorsesFun]

Can we get a Wings video about the various emergency ship building programs such as the Yeager Class?

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Maybe If I can bear to look at them.

[@mikeshriver4282]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 If you do a video about the creation of the OBERTH class you may actually lose subscribers LMAO. J/K im not going anywhere your great at what you do.

[@miamijules2149]

Oh come on Venom.... the Yeager Class isn’t that bad bro! Ok, ok fine. Then can we get some juicy, juicy tactical weapons pod info?! Or maybe you can tell us the number and placement of the Akira Class’ torpedo launchers.... since nobody seems to know for sure!!? Lololol a man can dream

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

@@miamijules2149 depends on the 3d model some only have ones in the pod while others have launchers on the port and starboard of the saucer

[@miamijules2149]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 Yeah I know it Venom, I’ve researched the doggie dog s*** out of that issue and man.... no one really knows. It’s actually kinda crazy. I’ve heard estimates all over the place - but the one that gets me is the port and starboard launchers! Sounds fantastic and I like it but really? Lol

[@gastondubois]

Great work!

[@spacepolicemanofspace6073]

VERY FUN EPISODE SIR! THANK YOU FOR THE VIDEO!

[@terrencechilds8984]

Wow when push comes to suffer the federation really can push back

[@shanenolan8252]

Loved the dam buster's. ( how do you know your bouncing bomb can be carried by a Lancaster, ? oh I designed the Lancaster) .

[@frostie3006]

Please tell me that we will get an in depth look at the full battle of chintoka 😃

[@IronWarhorsesFun]

I want to know about AR-557 one of the most grim episodes of DS9.

[@frostie3006]

@@IronWarhorsesFun one of my favourite Star Trek episodes of all time.

[@climjames]

Very nice as usual

[@lovenicholson]

Very well done brother.

[@UniversalChallenge4454]

And this was where the bird of prey monitor and Saber combos were first tested

[@davebignell773]

Very nice work - I always enjoy these videos. "Should he (Sisko) give them details? Names, ships, images to which they might cling in the coming hard times? Should he describe how the Starfleet patrollers Centaur and Majestic had skirted all the sentry ships at Toros Three and stormed the shipyards without backup, trying to cover each other like two seed pods spinning in a light breeze?" That's from book 2 of the Dominion War book series written back in the late 90's. 4 books - 1 and 3 from the perspective of the TNG crew (obviously on the USS Enterprise-E at this point), 2 and 4 from the perspective of the DS9 crew (basically turning a number of episodes into a couple of books).

[@Self-replicating_whatnot]

"I am ur star system, blowing up ur stuff!"

[@frostie3006]

Very good!

[@raw6668]

You know, I wonder if the Dominion made the Jem'Haddar Battleship because of the Sovereign-class.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Possibly certainly warrants investigation

[@nitinudapi3752]

I would say more towards taking on the Romulan Warbirds since they were planning to eventually go to war with them.

[@gicking3898]

Well narrated my friend.

[@revolcane]

Just looked this up on Memory Beta. Could have added the USS Centaur and USS Majestic in the battle.

[@emeraldflint516]

cool stuff :)

[@sithprimarch9970]

Victory is life !!!

[@mrtencza]

Damn, Tom's Dad is a badass!!!

[@Wildcard120]

Very well done.

[@chargepozitive]

So fun to explore🎉

[@scifinerd1911]

Fantastic story

[@jonsouth1545]

At the end of the DS9 Episode "Call to Arms" the Defiant join up with the survivors of the attack on the Cardassian shipyards with that fleet clearly beeing made up of hundreds of vessels on top of this through out the episode it is clearly stated to be a joint operation involving Federation and Klingon vessels

[@hallanfrost2998]

Its possible some of these ships joined the fleet afterwards like the Defiant did having been held back to prevent against Dominion counter attacks or they may have only just arrived from being recalled for other parts of the federation.

[@jonsouth1545]

@@hallanfrost2998 From the dialogue in the episode and from dialogue between Dukat and Weyoun in the next episode about destroying hundreds of ships in the defence of the shipyards it doesn't fit. Although Beta canon we know from multiple sources at least 4 seperate books and of course ST Bridge commander that U.S.S Sovereign used a different engine design from the U.S.S Enterprise E and suffered major power drain issues and spent the entire Dominion war being refitted at Utiopia Planetia and was not completed until the post Dominion War Malestrom incident.

[@scifinerd1911]

I would love to see you do these narrations with Babylon 5

[@Joesmith-xt4ky]

what is the ship upper left at 1:00??

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

@@Joesmith-xt4ky thunderchild class

[@Joesmith-xt4ky]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 Found it. what about the card at 20:06?

[@fien111]

Weyoun: Foolish Federation! You shall fall before our Jem'Hadar and learn the price of your heresy against out divine Founders! Federation: >*locks the doors and sets the house on fire* "We're not stuck in here with you, you're stuck in here with us" Klingons: "OUR ENTIRE CULTURE HAS BEEN GEARED FOR THE EXACT MOMENT! QAPLA!" Weyoun: "......Dukat what the fuck, man?! You said this would be easy!" Dukat: "I said it would be easy for *me*, clearly I overestimated *you*....."

[@45580677]

I just notice something the way Owen change since the loss of his son as he ordered not to risk takes a risk a bit of Tom in his father luckily his change of heart was key to battle while sadly a protected Admiral because of his victory Starfleet couldn't afford a hero loss but used his support to head up Project Pathfinder and later Project Voyager Why the Fleet loss and loss so much way before a ship everyone considered long lost and gone still alive unlike them alone without support survive nightmares that pale what the Fleet face if one ship alone unsupported with one goal can do it sure heck the Fleet can. Voyager maybe just one but for Starfleet and many other lone ships in the past make a difference and carrying on the mission to boldy go where no one has before a bright side to this conflict someone getting some exploring done

[@MrRandom2456]

Which map did you use for your videos?

[@anndra8687]

The Dominion really should have learned to keep an eye out for Klingons...

[@stangundam01]

great vid but where did you get your info on dominion & cardassian tech?

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Mostly beta Canon sources wich go into much more detail than the shows

[@stangundam01]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 sources like memory alpha & beta? if others can you give the links?

[@mikeshriver4282]

In the deep space nine episode a call to arms somebody refresh my memory because I'm driving down the road right now so I can't go watch it when the defiant and the rotaren left deep space nine when the Dominion took over and the two ships met up with that massive Federation Klingon fleet of probably hundreds of ships where did that fleet go. I know that they must have been heading somewhere for a major offensive I just can't remember where they were headed does anybody remember?

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Judging what happens when we next see them they were probably headed for another defeat.

[@mikeshriver4282]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 lol you are certainly right i think 14 ships out of 112 made it back to the lines. It'd be interesting though to know where it was, and how and why the attack failed. Can you imagine what that giant fleet would look like in 4k. Guess we will never know.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

@@mikeshriver4282 the battle of tyra I've also covered that.

[@mikeshriver4282]

@@venomgeekmedia9886 yeah I did see that one and it was really good one of my favorites but I don't remember you mentioning anything about the USS defiant under Cisco's command during that battle and your battle breakdown so that's I think that's what threw me off on that I'm 46 years old and I have been a Star Trek since TNG came out and I must have seen that episode a thousand times

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

@@mikeshriver4282 sicko was never at tyra they even say in the episode that tyra is a long way away so it would be a while before they heard anything

[@yf9856]

Enjoyed this! How come the sovereign and the intrepid class ships not used that much since they were advanced ships and could have made easier to defeat the dominion battle cruisers.

[@miamijules2149]

Same reason countries shied away from using their newest capital battleships in World War II. Losing a brand new capital ship (think Bismarck) is horrible for moral and the investment in time and resources goes out the window. That and, in the grand scheme of things, they were relatively small in numbers for most of the war so their impact would be less than other, less fancy ships in the aggregate.

[@yf9856]

@@miamijules2149 good point with the Bismarck reference. It would cool to have an elite small fleet of sovereign, intrepid and Akira class ships for raids like the hutet. Where was the enterprise e at at the time?

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

Vary between sources but she does participate in the battle of betazed

[@45580677]

I wonder something old legends return Admiral Saavik a Explorer but when call to arms took to duty and ask for a combat vessel with the Fleet shaken by the loss of the Enterprise-D but return of the legendary James T Kirk in saving millions Starfleet needed heroes and a legend who better then someone trained by the best in Starfleet and served when Federation was at it against the Klingons Give Saavik the USS Luna as her flagship of the Federation 1st Fleet as she knows how to make a Heavy Cruiser dance like a old Connie the grand child of the Connie Luna show what it can do in both speed and firepower

[@dontdrunkimshoot8220]

Quality world building, but we have changing martok to thank for the klingon invasion of the cardasian union, leaving them little choice but to join the dominion out of desperation. just as planned. The federation having several antiborg taskforces, small fleets of bleeding edge tactical starships always on hot standby, repurposed into making daring raids and surgical strikes is the kind of storyline you could milk a lot of good content out of.

[@marcusjustice6165]

That General Martok was a shapeshifter Founder while the real General Martok was being held is on the POW internment camp.

[@johnm9126]

I am turok of house turok of the klingon empire. I am head of a great house that is one of the few who look like humans more then our brethren. I lead a fleet of over 100 ships plus I had another 75 ships from some of the smaller houses who joined me like the house of grilka. I held the Salva 2 system for the entire war. I towed in a used cardassian space station that acted as my system base and fortress. The dominion sent many raids and attacks but could never break my system defense

[@akirakoto_channel]

at 19:49 [right to the end], I quite like the music and the description of the scene. it a shame that it wasn't included in the box because I'm interested in its content... quite soothing before dawn.

[@venomgeekmedia9886]

'Realization' from the YT audio library if your interested.

[@stuew6]

what about Makto Raid that show DS9 . 7 Raiders vs. Fleets

[@lanebowles8170]

Another excellent video! One gripe though. If the Cardassians have fusion technology analogous to the Federation, why would they need solar arrays? I mean, compared to fusion, solar power would be mere peanuts, only really able to power relatively small systems like life support perhaps. Unless the solar arrays amount to, at the very least, many hundreds of square kilometers with near 100% efficiency, they wouldn't be much use and extremely vulnerable. Such a vast set of arrays would require similarly vast amounts of materials that would have been better put to use in making a relatively small number of fusion generators that could due the same work in a far more defensible package.

[@JackMoore0311]

Well it could be fuel issues. Fusion power requires fuel and solar does not.

[@lanebowles8170]

@@JackMoore0311 You are correct in that Fusion power requires fuel and solar does not (not counting the fact that solar is fusion and "burns" hydrogen, albeit naturally). However, let us consider the probable fuel fusion reactors in Star Trek are implied to use, deuterium. Is deuterium rare? Star Trek seems to contradict itself with episodes of Voyager, one leading the audience to believe deuterium is rare and yet in another Tom Paris states "you can find it anywhere". So what about real life, is deuterium rare? No, not really. Uncommon yes, but not really rare. Where there is protium hydrogen one is sure to find deuterium hydrogen, though the concentration of deuterium in protium varies. Earth has a concentration of one deuterium atom out of 6,500 of hydrogen atoms. Mars has a concentration five to six times that of Earth and even greater concentrations have been detected on certain asteroids. So while deuterium may be diffuse, it is not rare and only requires basic refining technology (technology we already possess in real life) to enrich it. Then there is the fact that we can actually make deuterium in nuclear reactors today as well, though it is not economical. However, if they can make antimatter and have replicator technology in Star Trek, then surely they can make deuterium, though enriching it from a source of hydrogen is probably much more energy efficient even if fusion should grant energy to spare. So, I could accept that solar energy was being used to refine deuterium from hydrogen sources originating on planets, asteroids, comets, and gas giants, but I still find it a considerable stretch. Why? I reiterate, compared to direct fusion, solar power is mere peanuts.

[@JackMoore0311]

@@lanebowles8170 well im considering that the cardassian infrastructure was completely destroyed so not only getting a refining fuel would be hard but even transporting it might be difficult. I also know that solar in space offers a much better return than solar on the ground and is much faster and easier to construct. I think the solar was an immediate step and eventually they would have moved to more powerful and compact power sources

[@lanebowles8170]

@@JackMoore0311 If the Cardassian infrastructure was completely destroyed then how did they build the solar arrays in the first place? It doesn't matter if solar in space is faster and easier to construct if there is no infrastructure to construct them in the first place. If DS9 stated that the Cardassian infrastructure was completely destroyed, then it would have to have been a hyperbolic statement made to relay to the audience the severity of the Cardassian's plight and shouldn't be taken too literally as it would be the creator's artist impression. You say that "not only getting a refining fuel would be hard but even transporting it might be difficult", yet the Cardassians are being supplied by the Dominion. Even if the technologies between the Cardassians and the Dominion were so different as to prevent the Dominion from directly replacing Cardassian industrial components and only supplying raw materials, deuterium is little more than raw material and a single tanker-full could supply thousands of gigawatts of power. Now you are right about solar power, more even for reasons other than you may have had. Solar power is four times better in space than on Earth as there is no atmosphere to get in the way among other things. However, with our single G-type star that doesn't amount to much. However, the Torros system is a binary of an A and B-type stars which have luminosities 20 and 1,000 times greater than our Sun respectively. With this taken into account (and if my limited understanding of physics and astronomy is roughly correct) even at distances of 6 AU (further than the orbit of Jupiter) a square kilometer of solar arrays with 100% capture and transmission of energy would generate nearly 40 megawatts of power as opposed to our solar system in which such an array wouldn't produce even 40 kilowatts of power. My apologies to you and Venom Geek Media 98 on that oversight.

[@Killerspieler0815]

@Venom Geek Media 98 - hahaha GMOs the Trojan Horse of the Dominion

[@terrancechilds3049]

Someone might want to tell them that Starfleet is not a military if that purpose is exploration not defense

[@johnm9126]

Serious question why didn’t all the ships line up as far as they could and then bombard all ships and shipyards with like over 100 quantum torpedos. This is where everything gets confusing. They say torpedoes don’t work well against ship shields but I’m sure a storm of 100 quantum torpedos would be hard to deal with I mean 25 ships that’s a minimum of 1000 torpedos I mean fire alll them then follow the torpedos in on a strafing run. Have the Norway’s in front with their phaser lances which were suppose to be like both cutters and the other ships behind. This goes for any battle really.

[@jefferyyoung2580]

We're is this plant

[@essanance]

I still wish that they would do a new show that takes place during the Dominion War