Vital Synth Tutorial: Creating Wavetables Using Hardware 🤩

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[@VenusTheory]

Forged in the fires of Olympus

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[@VenusTheory]

@@dr.pudden3362 Haha no problem. Will have to sit down and sort out another free plugin roundup soon!

[@mc2engineeringprof]

Pro Tip: If you own the HW synth, you own the audio waveforms it produces. This also means that you own the wavetables. This also means that you can re-sell them in your own patches or synth or sample pack, or whatever. Indeed, plenty of the most famous wavetables started with one - cycle samples of original analog gear then implemented as a wavetable. Future wavetable (and analog modeling synths) then simply re - used these tables taken from other synths. Over the years, they've been changed and improved, but odds are that on the peak there are plenty of wavetables that started off way back as a Minimoog saw or a Jupiter square, or something from a Tangerine Dream modular patch. Hell, the original Alesis Ion and Virus all but gave away their sources in their documentation (though, ironically, they couldn't print the name of the synth because THAT would infringe on copyright / trademark rights). Similarly, a lot of the Refx Nexus (2/3) patches were built directly from Virus wavetables and JP-80x0 cycles turned into tables. If you visit Szabo's site, you can actually download the Virus tables he used to make his new synth. There's about 100 of them. All free. Also, a "patch" (which is akin to a 'process' or an 'algorithm') IS protected. It's viewed as software or an industrial process. However, any wavetables that you use for such a patch are not copy - right - able. So, someone couldn't sell your patches that you created and have the copyright to for a profit, but they COULD use your wavetables in their OWN patch set. Clear as mud, huh? 🤪

[@XenoxParticularSound]

It's not true that when you own the hardware, you can sell the "wavetables" or any samples from the synth itself, you were even not allowed to sell factory presets from any hardware or software synth. You can only use the sounds in a musical piece, in other words, you were allowed to use the sounds in a musical piece but the (c) on the sounds itself are from the company itself. You can check out several disuccions on KVRAudio.com were someone samples the factory presets from a Roland D50 and you can read what Eric Persing said about it. Make you own stuff like above in the video and no one can see on which synths you have made them. About the Wavetables from the Virus, they're NOT FREE, they're still on © from Access Music, i know that dude who made the wavetables BUT, Access music don't care about the download because the Virus is discontinued, we already talked about this topic when Szabo released them on his website. A patch, if you use a wavetable or a sample or whatever, is under the © from the company itself...!!

[@mc2engineeringprof]

@@XenoxParticularSound waveforns are not samples. They are numerical data that represents the oscillator behavior. A pure square, sine, and saw waveform are readily generated using wavetables. Many synths contain these exact waveforms. You cannot copyright a mathematical function present in the public domain for ages. Sinilarly, many waveforms from popular analog synths have been replicated in wavetable. A wavetable manufacturer who does this is not violating copyright or IP laws, this is why they've done it. Nord, Alesis, Novation, Access Music, Waldorf / PPG, Yamaha, Roland, AKAI, and many others have done this. All perfectly legal. To violate sampling protections, the duration of the sample must be significant. A single cycle lasting 1/1000th of a second doesn't qualify. Further, patches are vastly different from waveforms. They are unique algorithms that constitute o "process" and are protected as such. You can copyright patches. You can copyright certain samples and audio clips. You cannot copyright a waveform and, therefore, a wavetable. By the way, you can make a few minor changes to patches to bypass copyright protections. Indeed, many patch sets do this very (lame) thing. This is why you rarely see lawsuits for an accusation of stealing patches for resale. Just copying a set of patches and giving them away or reselling them? No. You can't do that, but a "timbre"? No. Can't really be protected.

[@mc2engineeringprof]

@@XenoxParticularSound By the way. The Virus is NOT discontinued. You can still purchase new TI2 and Darkstar (and Snow, I believe) Virus synths.

[@XenoxParticularSound]

@@mc2engineeringprof The Virus is cancelled since years from Access, no development except drivers since 5 or 6 years only, they sell the hardware because they can but development is stopped!

[@mc2engineeringprof]

@@XenoxParticularSound ww.sweetwater.com/store/search.php?s=Virus ww.guitarcenter.com/Access/Virus-TI2-Desktop.gc?rNtt=Virus&index=2 All new - still being produced. Any copyright infringement would devalue the synth and prevent them from realizing the true value of the product and therefore would be subject to lawsuit.

[@rainieralbertsz4165]

Nice vid, for anyone wanting a cleaner wavetable i would suggest fixing the dc offset. Fading the edges and optionally normalizing each snapshot. Not sure how this works in vital. But its really easy in serum to fix this

[@VenusTheory]

For sure - for general wavetable cleanup I use Kilohearts PhasePlant as it has all those good utility functions. Hope to see them added to Vital someday!

[@erizwa69]

I just discovered that the wavetables created in Vital work perfectly in Pigments! It works via the wav export option in Vital. It sounds fantastic!

[@Trackformers]

Yes!!! Gona watch this later!! Is it okay to like a video before watching it?? Who cares i did.. 😁

[@kmdaykin]

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[@JanMichalSzulew]

Interesting. Gotta try it to import a clean "Laser Harp" Synthex sound osc from AN1x (it's a very specific implementation of a pulse with sync that most synths do in a different way producing a very different sound) into Vital. We'll see how it goes. As for "F#0" which note naming convention are you using? C-2..G8, C-1..G9 or C0..G10? (obviously not the last one, as I see a "-1" on your note grid)

[@Taylor-op8tv]

This was cool man thank you.

[@VenusTheory]

Glad you enjoyed it! Super fun and easy technique to make some stuff.

[@wesleyleigh4063]

I mean, Ring mods are available in software synths, so the only real advantage to using a harware synth here is the analog filter.

[@vladimirtrump4806]

ANY software synt is SHIT compare to hardware. Open your fckn ears

[@WilmarBoer]

Why are you using 1 bar as a default length? Wavetables are about using one cycle as the oscilator and switch between the cycles for variation. So the length of the sample is to determine the amount of cycles the wavetable synth has to play with, but it can be any length? And in your other video about making wavetables you mention the relationship between sample rate and used root note. Why is that? Actually I hope you will make a video that goes a bit deeper into the backgrounds of wavetables :-).

[@BNLNRD]

I'm having a problem here. For some reason when I try and do this the resulting wavetable slowly "wanders off" to the left when scanning through, as if the phase is getting shifted over time (using the Roland System-1m and for all I know this shouldn't be default behaviour). Gets a little pitchy when doing quick modulations. I also tried experimenting with the note, but that doesn't make a difference.

[@coralismmusic496]

I know this videos super old but I’ve got vital but when I downloaded it there are no or presets or wave tables, I’ve downloaded a decent amount of presets now but I don’t even have basic shapes., how might I remedy this??

[@aSpeaker2BlocksAway]

Thank you! So much fun with the Microfreak. And the softsynthis for free... it is unbelievebale

[@VenusTheory]

Oh yeah I bet the Microfreak is a fun one to make wavetables with!

[@akrobatish]

been getting crazy with falcon and minibrute 2. INFINITE SEX. Microfreak is damn cool i havent fuxxed with yet tho.

[@djkymaera]

excellent video cameron, gonna try this.

[@VenusTheory]

Let me know how it turns out!

[@TheSoulSynthesis]

This is pretty nice. I'm debating with myself to get a polyend tracker and this technique paired with let's say Rapid would open it up for me even more. The scanning is a bit steppy on the Tracker but with some stupid bonkers per step modulation it might sound cool too.

[@VenusTheory]

I'm still on the fence about a Tracker myself - seems like a really fun unit!

[@TheSoulSynthesis]

@@VenusTheory I like the idea of having restrictions to flesh out an idea or mood and experiment with samples to get somewhere. I might let loose a burst of yapping in the discord so brace yourself for my spam ;)

[@astrophil79]

terrific!

[@travesdymusic]

So if were supposed to be using a specific note based on our sample rate, would we use a fixed frequency to play a specific note, as in kick and snare design?

[@VenusTheory]

In this case no - as the notes represent an approximation of the 'ideal' frequency (just off by a slight amount). So these are exact MIDI Notes to use, not a fixed frequency.

[@NirvzHD]

@Venus Theory, I love the idea of grabbing some samples/presets/wavetables from you, but I couldn't hear any of the presets. I'd love a link to a soundcloud account or something demoing them before I buy.

[@VenusTheory]

There's a free edition of the pack to try out!

[@sevenfifteen]

There's some confusion I deal with. Related to the frequencies. You presented a chart, and I assume to know where it comes from. But that confuses me. Goal is to have one full wavecycle per size of (in my case) Vital's wave size, which is 2048 samples (dsp units, not samples as in sample player). When recording in 48 kHz, it's 48000 / 2048, which is 23.4375 Hz. The closest musical frequency to this is F#0, which is 23.12. Fine. But then you record one bar at 110 bpm, which is a lot more than a second, in fact more than 2 seconds (Hz = pulses per second). That's where I gave up understanding it. Would you mind explaining it a little more?

[@VenusTheory]

Heyo! Great question. As you noted, that's why those notes are supposed to be used at certain sample rates to achieve the closest result to the expected number of samples. Really, while you could get more 'exact' there's no real practical reason to do so - the synth will often do the math to fill in the blanks in an unnoticeable way and interpolate everything correctly. No sense in doing more work than necessary. As for the length, you can certainly go shorter, but I find that a slightly longer sample often gives better results and gives the synth more chances to 'catch' what you want from the sample to generate the table.

[@sevenfifteen]

@@VenusTheory Thanks a lot! Basically I'm making it too complicated in my head and can rely more on the technical quality of the plugins to interpolate as needed! Will do so :)

[@dR0L0b]

really neat way to make wt indeed ty! :)

[@VenusTheory]

Definitely a lot of fun to try if you have access to hardware!

[@romixfly]

Vital converting 32 bit - 44.100 to 16 bit - 88.2 Khz. But i'ts F1, not F0. Why? Why Vital do this:) I'ts normal? It may be better to initially create in F1 32bit - 88.2Khz? Update: Vital always convert wav to 16 bit - 88.2 Khz. Dune 3 and Serum - does not convert.

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Can you please try Reaper Daw so we Reaper users can get educated from you

[@antoineguilbeault8025]

are the presets genre specific ?

[@1998Cebola]

Of course! One example would be to be careful using a DnB preset on something like a psytrance track, you might get sued in the court of bald 35 year old brits

[@VenusTheory]

Yo! Not really - this pack was more about trying to capture a bit of the Peak magic in Vital. Mostly just general 'electronic' presets with a clean, bright 'wavetable synth' feel. There is a free edition if you want to give a few of them a spin!

[@foodjmadrigal]

nice ! sub

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[@VenusTheory]

Hope everyone enjoys the video! Waldorf Blofeld next? 🤔 👉 Get the new pack at: venustheory.com/product/638346

[@TheSoulSynthesis]

I enjoyed it a lot. i had a strong back-to-the-roots-vibe with getting a concept across. I'd really like to see what you cook up with the Blofeld!

[@arnolddawson5747]

Wow Im a fucking idiot I thought it was realy complicated to make a wave table like computer programing or??? Drag and drop. Thanx thats really cool.

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