Versailles Treaty ≠ Hitler’s Rise to Power

It’s a myth that the “humiliation” and financial effects of the WWI peace treaty imposed on Germany gave rise to Nazism - here’s why.
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[@TimeGhost]

Addendum: what this video highlights is not that Hitler’s rise to power has nothing to do with the Treaty of Versailles - he clearly used it in his rhetoric, albeit within a fictive, false narrative. The facts highlighted here show that it was not external forces working on Germany that uniquely and inevitably led to Naziism. Instead it was the ‘normal’ working of politicians capitalizing on popular opinion and dissatisfaction, and compromising with the representatives of extreme, radical populist ideologies. The origins of these opinions and dissatisfaction was not external, but internal - chief among them was perhaps losing the Great War, of which the Versailles Treaty was merely one of many symptoms. /end addendum Here it is - TimeGhost Shorts, not KZbin’s kind of shorts - we would say those are short shorts. Maybe it’s possible to explain this in one minute… but we were already pretty pleased that we could do it in less than five. Our idea for this is to provide short snippets about pivotal, interesting, or fascinating historical events and phenomena as a little pocket guide, or cliff note. As always we strive to go a bit beyond pop history, even in this condensed format. We hope you enjoy the result and we will be back shortly, with another short and all of our other content. Please remember to follow our rules of conduct when commenting. community.timeghost.tv/t/rules-of-conduct/4518

[@sako5751]

Really like the short format, its precise and to the point! Its really nice that you can send this to your friends/family and people who are not really into History can get the gist of the topic in a few minutes. The presentation is also really good!

[@spartacus-olsson]

@@sako5751 thanks

[@thanos_6.0]

Please make more of these

[@spartacus-olsson]

@@thanos_6.0 we already have…

[@percamihai-marco7157]

Great set. Keep up the good work!

[@Raph1805]

Concerning the Reparations, they were reduced by a third in 1929 and then scrapped altogether in 1932. In the end, by the time the Nazis came to power, only 17% of the initial amount had been paid. In 1949, Adenaur announced that Germany would fullfil its pre-WW2 obligations, after which point payments resumed although the remaining amount was cut by half. German WW1 debts were cleared in 2010, with a final payment of 100 millions Euros.

[@lorddashdonalddappington2653]

While it sounds bad, people should remember that governments tend to take a *very* long time to pay particular debts, for example, the British around that time were repaying debts from the 1720s.

[@edwardcamp3376]

@@lorddashdonalddappington2653 South Seas bubble?

[@ProfTricky3168]

@@lorddashdonalddappington2653 was it a few years ago when the British government finished its payment from tackling slavery in the 1800?

[@eldorados_lost_searcher]

I remember reading about the final payment, and was shocked at the length of time (and number of regimes) that debt took to pay off.

[@eedwardgrey2]

@@edwardcamp3376 Also an Extra Credits Watcher?

[@leonardoglesby1730]

Thank you for delivering an interesting "short" that was not in portrait orientation. As usual great work guys! 👍

[@TimeGhost]

Thanks

[@BSJinx]

I get the feeling that this will be Indy's "History Does Not Happen In A Vacuum" series that he discussed a couple of weeks ago. Good idea!

[@podemosurss8316]

They should call "History does not happen in a Vacuum" to these shorts.

[@ZER0ZER0SE7EN]

Do you say this because they included President Hoover? (Neither he nor his family invent the vacuum machine)

[@Miguellibrepalabranet]

Tbh, I was a bit sceptical about these shorts, fearing that they would skim over some controversial íssue in history. But you've done a great job at summarising and delivering all the info. Congrats!

[@TimeGhost]

Thank you

[@youngimperialistmkii]

Yeah. So much info, so little time😀

[@abdurrahmanqureshi3030]

@@TimeGhost Yeah too bad you completely forgot to mention the Occupation of the Rhineland, The complete eradication of the German Navy, and The loss of every German Colony which without a doubt contributed to the Nazi Germany's fanatical rise.

[@TimeGhost]

@@abdurrahmanqureshi3030 and since the other standalone comment reiterated by you here seems to have disappeared, here and the reply to that: Just because you feel ver strongly about something doesn't make it true. 1. Indy is not rolling back a single thing he said at the Great War - that's in your imagination. 2. Spartacus and Indy started The Great War together, so since "Spartacus joined" is the same as since the channels exist 3. Spartacus lives in Germany, is a naturalized German, is married to a native German, with a native German daughter, and late parents in law that fought in the war in the Wehrmacht and home defense. His official statement on this topic is "I've never been a patriot for any of the countries I lived in until I moved to Germany. It is a country with a complicated past, that has grown into one of the, if not the most tolerant, ethical countries in the world. It is not despite, but because of its past that Germany has become a beacon of democracy, international cooperation, and the preservation of peace. That would not be possible if the German nation had not collectively decided to understand its past for what it is, without glorifying, or distorting it's historiography to fit a nationalist mythology. I am proud and humbled to be citizen of this country and do what I can to contribute to that legacy."

[@qjnmh]

There are fascinating echoes of the story that Germany told itself with the stories that France told itself post 1815. The same “stab n the back” myth, the same angry veterans forming militias, somewhat similar economics. All of which fed into 1830. History may not repeat, but it sure does rhyme.

[@Darwinek]

Beware of angry veterans should be a universal motto.

[@MrChaostheorie13]

Honestly I would watch an entire series like this of just "historical mythbusting", sounds like a great format The grand finale could be something like the myth of the clean Wehrmacht

[@davemehelas5053]

Actually they cover that in the WW2 series. The military was in on it.

[@TrickiVicBB71]

That is covered in the WW2 weekly timeline and War Against Humanity. Hopefully they keep bringing it up to stomp on those dumb Wehraboos

[@dusk6159]

This ''unfair Versailles creating the rise to power'' is a foundational myth, its busting was great and needed.

[@MrChaostheorie13]

@@davemehelas5053 You're right of course, but I still think that a comprehensive video on that particular myth, it's causes and implications for post-war views on the Wehrmacht, would be of immense value. I'm sometimes afraid by what I see in the comment sections of episodes over on the WW2 series.

[@leme5639]

@@dusk6159 unfair Versailles, unfair Trianon and so on.

[@greg_mca]

0:55 Stresemann looks like he's just walked out of a gangster film. The massive scar definitely gives him an intimidation bonus

[@notaugustus2076]

Social Democratic Joker ;)

[@doubleb4524]

@@notaugustus2076 he wasn’t a social democrat, but a liberal conservative

[@karlkarlos3545]

Yeah, I never noticed that scar. It's from some fraternities fencing isn't it?

[@greg_mca]

@@karlkarlos3545 It isn't mentioned in his wiki bio and he wasn't involved in the military, so I assumed it was due to an accident somewhere else

[@parallelworldsguy]

This was awesome! Really felt I gained a basic understanding of post-WWI German politics and economic situation.

[@TimeGhost]

Happy to read that

[@crazylocha2515]

@@TimeGhost have to say y'all dovetailed it very very well with your other vids like where'd Hitler get his money from, etc. Great bits all through. Looking forward to learning more of the nuances of history. Thank you.

[@christopherroa9781]

Yooo I love this episode. Clearly and concisely outlines the major events and dispels myths with evidence. Bravo! Looking forward to these shorts

[@TimeGhost]

Thanks

[@gunman47]

Normally I'm not really too big a fan of Shorts videos, but this could work for history videos like these. Happy to support it!

[@abdurrahmanqureshi3030]

This video was terrible, immense bias and a huge portion of history was left out. I'm just mainly mad that Spartacus really dragged Indy along into this non sense propaganda piece.

[@leonardoespino9780]

I agree that the Versailles treaty did not lead to hitlers rise to power but it was a factor for the start of the Second World War. Even Ferdinand foch said “this is not peace. It’s a armistice for twenty years” nice video format, looking forward to more like this

[@ericanate3155]

I love the videos that include Spartacus and Indy!!! You guys make a great team

[@TimeGhost]

They will be back with more videos in concert.

[@yorick6035]

Lovely stuff, really love that it is the two of you tag-teaming this myth. Keep em coming!

[@TimeGhost]

Thank you

[@naveenraj2008eee]

Hi Indy and Sparty Its wonderfull to see you both in same frame.. Been long time.. As you asked its wonderful video.. Shorts a new creative approach.. Kudos to you team.. Thanks... Need more of it ...please do..

[@spartacus-olsson]

We will

[@graywz]

So good to see you two together - double the impact! Thanks for a great channel.

[@rened.5998]

I was scared you would use the Shorts function of KZbin... thank's for not doing So.

[@TimeGhost]

We are but for separate videos. Our shorts format is different to the KZbin one. Our format is about 5 minute explainer videos on complex topics.

[@Robin4]

I had been taught otherwise in school, fascinating video essay, i have a new view now, thank you Timeghost team!

[@TheGrinbery]

great video across the board. very thorow, yet quick and brief. and tells the economic background of germany in the 1920, a thing that's very much lacking in most history channels and books in here and anywhere reallt. 13/10 would definetly rewatch and recommend

[@billalexander8011]

That was really good. I like how you both talk together on the video.

[@glima519]

I remember fighting extensively with both my high school history teacher and my best friend about this. They insisted that Versailles caused the rise of Hitler and WW2, and no matter how many examples or theories I showed to say otherwise, they stayed adamant about it. Hope what you guys are saying will eventually make its way into school textbooks, because I got a big fat F on an exam because of those single minded textbooks and teachers

[@joel0joel0]

its interesting how myths are so enduring, no matter the facts and arguments, people will not easily give up on them. I understand the reasons for the germans to believe in it, being that the myth seems to apologize the rise of nazism like the german had no other choice to become nazis, but whats the reason for the allies to so strongly believe in this myth, i don't understand.

[@GK-ne5uf]

@UCcbNkBgWl1Dfbu850vDFBwQ cope lad aboit your dead ideology and dead ideals, in-valid as they may. and to the truth thing. if war was written by the victors why is there a debate on the bombings of japan by the Us? or that of Germany? or notice and critiquw of the Japanese American concentration camps by fdr? you say conclusion withoit foundation. fuck off

[@GK-ne5uf]

@@adolfushitler9402 ah and what bolshevik do you speak of? the west? who were notoriously anti communist? you are a plebe of an individual, weak willed and hollow. i pity you

[@GK-ne5uf]

@@adolfushitler9402 and please do give me records of such genocides. go ahead, and no the soviet rape isnt a genocide nor were the bombings. while the former was bad neither were with intent to kill every german, and on that give me a record of any government in the allies saying they wanted to kill all germans, ah and on the polish thing you have no tight of speech there bud. open your head

[@glima519]

@@adolfushitler9402 sir this is a wendy's pls order something you're holding up the line

[@ewok40k]

Versailles treaty had one flaw: It was not enforced in 1933 by Allied powers by military force, stopping Germany from remilitarisation.

[@abdurrahmanqureshi3030]

@@joshuacondell1686 No they didn't. If Soviet Union was a threat, then the allies would have done something when the Soviets invaded Poland, but they did nothing cause they are scared of the Soviets.

[@matthiasm4299]

So it's "Versailles Treaty ⊂ Hitler's Rise of Power" rather. It's obvious that the treaty continuously was a source of conflict that you could politically profit from (even though its effects may have been overstated).

[@spartacus-olsson]

Well… the point is (and the important point is) that it wasn’t the external forces working on Germany through the Treaty of Versailles, which created a fertile ground for Hitlerism. That fertile ground was there, and the Nazis planted their seeds in it, Versailles or no Versailles.

[@matthiasm4299]

@@spartacus-olsson Well, in terms of the economy you're definitely correct. Nonetheless Versailles could be successfully used politically as a symbol of defeat, humiliation, national impotence, foreign control, etc. The continued frictions with the victors over the treaty kept it relevant as well. For a nationalist movement, this makes for some powerful fertilizer. However, it's difficult to imagine a France that's amicable towards Germany after WW1, so these tensions were always going to be there - regardless of the exact terms of the treaty. In any event, the rise of Hitler certainly isn't France's fault.

[@spartacus-olsson]

@@matthiasm4299 there’s another point to all of this that we’re not going into in the video… was the Treaty of Versailles something extraordinarily unfair? I’d venture to say not in the least. Any war will end with s peace treaty that is usually to the detriment of the losing party. If that loser is the party that was aggressed you might speak correctly of unfair terms… if the loser is the aggressor, then the story looks a little different. Germany waged a war of aggression, and lost that war. That it “wasn’t only Germany’s ‘fault’ that the war broke out” becomes academic in view of that Germany attacked first. In that war Germany itself remained physically intact, while massive structural, economic, social, and human damage was inflicted on the countries aggressed. A ‘humiliating’ or ‘unfair’ peace treaty also assumes that it was extraordinarily harsh - but it wasn’t. The peace treaty imposed on France in 1871 was harsher. The peace treaty of Brest Litowsk imposed by Germany on Russia only a year before Versailles was _much_ harsher. Even when you look to later treaties, Versailles was not an extraordinarily harsh peace treaty. It’s often mistakenly said that “the Entente Powers, should have treated Germany as well as the Allies did after WWII instead.” That’s a rather ironic comment, considering that the terms brought down as per the Potsdam Agreement on Germany after WWII were harsher than Versailles by a multiple of many. So in sum: neither the purported economic effects, nor the perceived unusual unfairness of the treaty are in line with reality.

[@matthiasm4299]

@@spartacus-olsson Thanks for the detailed response! I agree that Versailles was not an unusually harsh treaty. Especially the borders were more than fair. But in trying to keep Germany militarily weak and creating a lasting peace, the treaty backfired spectacularly. It's really not a question of fairness, but rather one of effectiveness. Of course such actions as the occupation of the Ruhr bred resentment in Germany - they felt like they were at the whim of the Entente. The occupation by the Western Allies after WW2 did not have this same effect, for many reasons. Potsdam may have been harsher on paper, but the U.S. still contributed to rebuilding the German economy and France embraced Germany in building a new, peaceful European order (of course, it always takes 2 sides to make peace). The Oder-Neisse line could still be used to score political points, but the psychological impact was completely different. I think the comparisons between Versailles and the treatment of post-WW2 Germany are naive and idealistic rather than mistaken.

[@spartacus-olsson]

@@matthiasm4299 I completely agree. I would add two things though. 1. One of the spectacular failures of the treaty was that it was poorly enforced. For instance, militarization was tactically accepted as in when the calls to close down the Freikorps and other political militia fell on deaf ears, and Germany saw no consequences. 2. You correctly point out the effort to rebuild and reintegrate Germany post WW2, but like we point out in the video, this happened after WW1 too. In both cases there were opponents to it, those who wanted to keep Germany weak. Post WW2 that policy was also implemented in the East by the USSR.

[@mattermote4761]

Love your content, guys. Some of the best out there. Thank you. I will say this, when you're on screen together, I would think about filling the screen better. There's a ton of dead space on the left, while the right side is too busy (wine, lamp etc).

[@paulrobertson4058]

oh and i love you guys. you address every aspect of the war with such depth and ,particularly with the crimes against humanity, such incredible compassion (thank you spartacus!) i admire you so very much.

[@pariscatblue]

Thanks guys! :-) your shorts are my favourite starting working day (unfortunately not every day :-) ) routine

[@TimeGhost]

You're welcome Peter, their are plenty more to come as well.

[@AllenCross]

Good video and an excellent use of KZbin's new 'shorts' format - well done! Seem to me that keeping it brief adds energy to your presentation, maybe simply via more economical writing & edits. This could be a key to getting advert dollars for a lot more of your (#TimeGhost & even #War Against Humanity #WAH) content. With careful planning & scripting, shorts offer an easy way to skirt - however temporarily - the more 'objectionable' (i.e.: non-monetizable) war-related bits, whilst also allowing you to focus on the kind of editorial historicity your fan base wants, like... - Brief bios of important people (or BG info on locations, tactics, etc.) - 'Lessons learned' analyses - Condensed overviews of complex topics (w/ links to your expanded coverage) - Myth-busting - 'Did you know' factoids ...plus the occasional offer for interaction via polls or Q&A. Hope it works out well for you! #TGA .

[@theholyinquisition389]

A Greatgranduncle of mine actually printed election posters for Hitler during the 20s. Later he wished he had shot him instead when he came to his office ( he had a Revolver in his drawer ) , but at the time the NSDAP was such a tiny party that it was impossible to predict what would happen later on. I sadly never got to meet him.

[@theoutlook55]

Good man. You're great granduncle was just providing a service and plenty of people could not have realized the evil of this man, and what he would do.

[@davidwright7193]

There is always the argument that an authoritarian populist was going to take power in Germany at some point in the early 30's and that it was better it was Hitler than someone competent

[@theholyinquisition389]

@@davidwright7193 Definitely not guaranteed. Had Papen and Hindenburg not tried to control Hitler and the Nazis then their rise to power could have been entirely averted and I don't see any other event other than the Great Depression that could have caused something like this and even then its hard to think of any authoritarian populist who could have caused more harm than Hitler.

[@davidwright7193]

@@theholyinquisition389 well two names spring to mind Himmler and Heydrich. Both just as nasty if not worse than Hitler and more capable administrators. Both were more likely to be acceptable to people like Papen and Hindenburg as acceptable politicians as they were more “officer class” than Hitler if not aristocratic like Goering. Papen et al didn’t object to Hitler’s policies, the authoritarianism and anti-semitism they approved of and the intent to overthrow the Versailles treaty was an article of faith with them. What they objected to was that he was an ill educated petite bourgeois oik.

[@theholyinquisition389]

@@davidwright7193 Heydrich and Himmler both held some of the highest ranked positions in the Third Reich, it is questionable how much of a difference there would be with them in charge. Additionally neither of them were public speakers on Hitlers level which would have made it quite a bit more difficult for them to command the masses as Hitler could.

[@oakandthepack4887]

Both Spartacus and Indy in the same video...my dreams have come true. Buying a lotto ticket tonight. I feel lucky as f right now

[@rags417]

Great stuff, count me in ! I am currently reading a great little book I picked up in an antique shop a few weeks back called The British Dominions Handbook 1921, it is a "state of the world" text published by a British insurance company. It covers the 12 months up to 1921in great detail including facts and figures on resources production, debt, tax rates, even sports results ! Ripping stuff ! The key takeaway for me was not so much how bad the destruction was but how bad the debt levels were for every country in Europe. Just like WWII it seems that WWI was simply in the end a massive (and I mean MASSIVE) wealth transfer exercise from Europe to the US. Everything would have been fine in the end but as you note, like a certain modern politician who must not be named all someone needed to do was get the support of a big chunk of uneducated rural yokels and the rest is simply persistence, shamelessness and ruthlessness.

[@mikeFolco]

"Soon, his base swallows whatever he says, no matter how outrageous and obviously provably wrong."

[@kieranhaymes66]

I love the ideas of shorts! Can’t wait for more to come out!

[@historyarmyproductions]

Starting to really like these. Super easy to digest and not too overbearing, yet still super full of awsome info, keep it up!!

[@TimeGhost]

Thank you

[@Cketzalcoatl]

Fantastic video! Would love it if you could do more of these condensed videos!

[@robertweeks7554]

Love the new Time Ghost Shorts, 👍👍👍👍 keep up the great work!!!

[@TimeGhost]

Thanks

[@dyerex54]

As a stamp collector the hyperinflation stamp issues are interesting. 1 million marks for a stamp and the next day it would be overprinted to 10 million marks .

[@bastisonnenkind]

This Short I really enjoyed. Thank you guys!

[@TimeGhost]

Glad to hear it, you're very welcome!

[@georgewilliams8448]

Excellent!! Thank you for offering them!

[@TimeGhost]

You're welcome. Plenty more to come.

[@comet1970]

Basically a condensation of the pertinent parts of the Between Two Wars Season One episodes. But it's worthwhile to have everything on the topic in one video and in a short format for the modern short attention span. I was glad that it was almost five minutes. I was afraid it might be in the "less than a minute" format that I've seen on KZbin lately.

[@____________________________.x]

tl;dr

[@JaJDoo]

lets be honest, if germany is a financial leader RIGHT NOW after being trembled crushed and split in half in ww2 they could definitely have done so with much less severe conditions after ww1

[@theholyinquisition389]

Germany was a financial leader for a short time after WW1 but the Great Depression absolutely destroyed the economy and adding to that Chancellor Brünings financial policy was, as stated by Indy, quite terrible.

[@nowthenzen]

Germany is a 'financial leader RIGHT NOW' bc of the EU which did not exist after WW1. With the EU Germany gets to sell her stuff for currency which value is set mainly by .. Germany

[@JaJDoo]

@@nowthenzen you smell like a brexiter

[@dusk6159]

@@nowthenzen Smells like bs and anti-european century-long of strenght, union and prosperity.

[@baleriontheblackdread6679]

@@dusk6159he is right Germany profits extremely from that aspect of the EU, but most countries in the EU profit in some way from it so that's not too surprising

[@lololomo5484]

Thanks, Sparty. So much jabber about how draconian the Versailles Treaty was. Baloney. It wasn't too hard. It was fair and rather gentle, and even so, was just not enforced by the exhausted winners of WW1.

[@abdurrahmanqureshi3030]

The Treaty of Versailles wasn't harsh? My guy, having your entire army taken and your economy in shambles IS very harsh, Idk what you guys have been smoking.

[@PunPictures]

As always, a great essay-video. Equally as important, and as a fan of your sense of taste, what adult beverages are in your respective glasses? I appreciate your interesting lifestyle as well as your de-mythologizing. Thanks.

[@richardhart9204]

Spartacus & Indy? ... sounds like a good outline for a movie: and if anyone steals my idea, I'm suing!

[@mikecopier8843]

Love this new format! An excellent addition to the other wonderful series!

[@ShreenathTewari]

Not to be bogged down into American political discourse here, but this sounds so hauntingly familiar, not just in the cast of the US, but also in many places around the world. History doesn't always repeat itself, but it does rhyme.

[@javim160]

Amazing job guys ! That historical process of printing money for paying loans followed by hyperinflation bring me the shivers (I am Argentinean) And I can't avoid to see that asymmetrical 20's boom had a sort of parallel with the 2000's Globalisation process and the further raised of populist leaders around the Globe ... Seems to be that certain process led to similar outputs

[@TimeGhost]

Thanks!

[@asabritton8986]

Oh thank god! I have been trying to explain this to people for years.

[@carlabroderick5508]

Astounding information.

[@cattycyoutube]

Very interesting video, I thought the Treaty of Versailles had more impact on the rise of Hitler but it seems to be more political for the Nazis than actually an economic reason like many believe.

[@Goldenspiderducck]

You know Indy wants the theme music for this show to be a few bars of Living Color’s “Cult of Personality”.

[@Milleneum]

100 year's later and the world sees people trying to repeat all of this. Some people never learn, and P.T. Barnum was correct.

[@HS-su3cf]

The real question: Did Sparty and Indy wear shorts when filming this?

[@skaman125]

They wore budgie-smugglers.

[@baa0325]

The German Army, having lost the war, was able to push the responsibility for making the peace on to the provisional civilian government, which then allowed ex-Army leaders such as Ludendorff to create the stab-in-the-back legend, dodging their responsibility for the loss.

[@leme5639]

This stab in the back myth still persists, especially in Hungary. The Hungarians still claimed that they did not lose the war and that Trianon was unjust( hey, we weren't beaten). The core of Orban's policy is revisionism.

[@whereswaldo5740]

People are too focused on the politic by the media. They don’t think about the military enough. It’s what makes the politic intimidating. Force. Eisenhower warned the US about the military industrial complex. Now we have an administration threatening its own populace with its use.

[@TheBard1999]

@@leme5639 is that a popular believe? I thought revanchism was mainly due to how many territories with predominant Hungarian population were taken from post ww1 Hungarian state. (Though it's ridiculous how often I saw pre-ww1 Hungarian border merchandise in Budapest)

[@leme5639]

@@TheBard1999 those Territories were not predominantly Hungarian, that's the deal.. You're free to Google it, from any source, although I might recommend the 1910 Austrian census. In Transylvania, as example, the Hungarians were 30%, Vojvodina the same.

[@TheBard1999]

@@leme5639 I know I mean the territories like southern Slovakia or generally, don't remember the distribution.

[@fromulus]

These are great hopefully they'll be on KZbin as well as other places.

[@realrhetoric]

I remember reading how, during the period of hyperinflation, those with access to outside capital were able to buy up distressed assets at a song, and this later earned them resentment for those who lost out, and for the massive wealth/assets they accrued during the time of distress.

[@thomaschristopher8593]

3:39 as someone who used to shine shoes as a kid, that is impressive. as impressive as, later on, when someone could roll two pieces of dough at the same time, one with each hand. i could only do one at a time.

[@BIGNICKELL1]

Why these two do not have a weekly television program is a tragedy.

[@georgf9279]

Wow. This is a part a history I always struggled to keep track of. This is the first explanation that lists the turning points stright forward.

[@parkerslack8475]

Sparty and Indy should definitely present this series in Bermuda shorts or lederhosen.

[@Foralltosee1623]

Thank you guys, to the point and factual about disproving a myth.

[@82dorrin]

If you take a close look at the Treaty of Versailles and compare it to other treaties? It was actually pretty standard for the time, and Germany ignored a lot of it anyway.

[@joseaca1010]

Way less demanding than the one germany imposed on russia

[@dewok4701]

Soo much informations... In soo little time....I love it!!

[@Aramis419]

The wine glasses went untouched! You make me sad.

[@mahfl22]

Fake drinks.

[@buddy4445]

FINALLY A VIDEO ON THIS. This myth gets taught in schools so having to hear everyone say the Versailles treaty caused WW2 is annoying.

[@roxylius7550]

Wrong

[@thanos_6.0]

Germany after WW1: I didn't lose! I merely failed to win.

[@DarthVader-yq5iz]

@@KubusSc7 vs 1, but with Austria-Hungary, and Bulgaria, oh and with the Ottomans. Also Germany caused the UK and the US to enter the war. Not an excuse for it was their wishes to be in that position.

[@Snp2024]

@@KubusSc7 5 vs 3

[@godlovesyou1995]

@@Snp2024 *5 vs 4. You forgot bulgaria

[@Snp2024]

@@KubusSc7 still right though their relative size and power is not important if you are comparing their number's and I didn't include Bulgarians or Romanians for exact this reason

[@DarthVader-yq5iz]

@@KubusSc7 okay then, I'll do research! Stay polite. Also, you're the one saying this, but also say 5v1. That's... very interesting. May I recommand you to do research?

[@jouke903]

What I really appreciate about some other history channels like military history visualized is that they list their sources in the description of the video. Why are sources not listed in the videos of the Timeghost channel? Very good first short nonetheless :)

[@spartacus-olsson]

For our longer series we have source documents (we often forget to link to them though). Here we just haven’t gotten to it yet - will be done.

[@jouke903]

@@spartacus-olsson thank you very much!

[@dogcarman]

See, *this* is a real short. Full of good content and not in a silly format. Well done, guys.

[@shakie6074]

Lmaoooo Indy “they lost”

[@marktrain9498]

Glad to see Gavin McKinnes branching out into different projects.

[@michaelmatthewgee]

this guys more like Gapin McAnus

[@chris_hisss]

Nice, thanks! BTW; is it sparticus' downward facing posture, and perhaps speaking away from the Mic the reason his audio sounds muffled and unmastered? Is it actually not shot in the same place as it is made to look? It might be my IEMs but the difference seems vast.

[@spartacus-olsson]

We’re not set up for two hosts (yet) so there’s only one mic in the studio. It was oriented slightly more towards Indy.

[@dreplays3280]

That Indy and Spartacus tag team tho

[@debrickashaw9387]

2:00 Reminds me of someone more contemporary

[@jamesmaxwell4447]

What if any role, do we think the occupation of the Ruhr had on the public's view and Hitler's eventual rise? I would have figured this would have started a nationalist sentimentality for a large group of people.

[@abdurrahmanqureshi3030]

It did, but ofcourse Spartacus isn't going to mention that because it would contradict the title of the video, but ofcourse, any excuse to make Germany look like warmongers who started World War 2 for no reason right?

[@Jakob_DK]

There seems to be a parallel today between blaming EU and the versailles treaty :-) As well as claiming one did not lose an election or a war.

[@theoutlook55]

Yeah, the parallels are most disturbing, aren't they?

[@bob494949]

Similar to claiming that a demonstration was an insurrection. And excusing far more destructive and murderous riots nationwide because it doesn’t fit your woke narrative.

[@catmonarchist8920]

It's not as bad as europhiles giving the EU credit for post war peace. The EU impoverished Europe to an extent (especially the south) but putting the blame solely on one easily identifiable entity is an oversimplification for political purposes.

[@Jakob_DK]

@@catmonarchist8920 Can you please explain how you reach the conclusion that EU made Spain poor? After Franco it was very poor.

[@joseaca1010]

@@bob494949 after letting it cool for half a year, i think the january mess wasnt an insurrection but it was at the very least a riot, and it should be condemned just like the BLM riots, NOT THE PROTESTS MIND YOU What a mess, people have lost the ability to express their political rights without destroying things

[@lonelysith66]

"The end... No." LOL XD

[@theklorg305]

I have literally been writing a article for a magazine which was almost exactly this. If the claims about Versaille were true then we would be in World War 3 with the far more effective and harsh situation from after WW2.

[@thegoonisgood77]

do you always sit behind a table because you are wearing time ghost shorts?

[@Doc_Tar]

That was a piece of excellent history, thanks guys.

[@TimeGhost]

Thank you!

[@allysonand]

Well there goes my college history thesis paper

[@philipdemaeyer1665]

A docu series with no equal.

[@hebl47]

I would just like to say a BIG THANK YOU for making your own shorts on your own terms and not sticking to that awful less-than-60-second horizontal abomination.

[@jesuschrist872]

Legendary Spartacus is drinking wine. How sweet?!

[@curtinj98]

Is it not cognac?

[@TimeGhost]

Chavasse XO Cognac

[@alexamerling79]

Just keep printing money! What could possibly gone wrong?!

[@alanfinch8763]

Sounds like the current USA lol

[@lnt.helmuth]

A good video indeed. Personally I think this video made it easier to grasp the overall picture of Germany before the Nazis came to power. More summaries like these would in my opinion be great to better understand other videoes that you've published that are more detailed.

[@hojoj.1974]

Hmmm... can't think of a single analogy in this century...

[@henrimourant9855]

Wow great video

[@TimeGhost]

Thanks

[@TheBreadB]

Great video! Also what were you guys drinking?

[@TimeGhost]

Sparty is a Cognac man, and Indy is an avid fan of red wine. At this instance Sparty had a Chabasse XO in his glass, and Indy was drinking a Rioja.

[@MadThespian]

This seems awfully familiar, but I can't quite put my finger on why.

[@williamcastillo2312]

Are the TG shorts being done in short shorts?

[@Pirusiandres]

I'm a simple man. I see Hitler and "ass" in the thumbnail and I click.

[@qjnmh]

I would be interested in your views on the thesis at the centre of James Hawed book, that German support for hitler has much longer trerm roots than the economic crisis or even Versailles, and emerges from the long term conflict between agrarian Prussia and industrial “Germany”?

[@abdurrahmanqureshi3030]

Prussia was very industrial in World War 1.

[@mahfl22]

Awesome, liked that.

[@MadnessTW]

While I learned something in this video (namely that I overestimated the importance of the treaty), I must question the lack of criticism of the Weimar Republic itself. Not only did Hindenburg get off easy for giving power to Hitler directly, but the system that enabled him to do so is far more at fault than any one thing that temporarily boosted Nazi popularity. Firstly, the vast number of small, ineffectual parties due to the lack of a barrier of entry caused the need for frequent re-elections and overall lack of political stability. This allowed the NSDAP to become the strongest party as everyone else was much more divided, opening the way to the simple appointment of Hitler despite the lack of a real mandate. Secondly, the power of the president was far too great, letting one man be pressured into such a fatally bad decision. With these factors in mind, it is apparent that due to the inevitability of an eventual crisis, there was always going to be a time when major executive decisions would be made over the heads of the power vacuum that was the German parliament, so if I were to lay the blame for this whole debacle into anyone's hands, it would be the designers of the political system of the Weimar Republic.

[@TimeGhost]

We’ve covered the complex real reasons for how the Nazis rose to power in 13 videos here: The Rise of Nazi Germany kzbin.info/aero/PLrG5J-K5AYAWfQcaJ7nCjYBpHnWNAJ9mb

[@matthewsteigauf470]

Curious to see how/if this will translate to an actual "short". Enjoyed this though!

[@fredfoshizzle4891]

Perhaps I should've corrected my answer on the timeghost internship questionnaire 😅

[@swatsaw6]

this good cop bad cop or what ever the duo formats called - is just greater then the sum of it's parts :D you guys are awesome and just keep on getting better then before makes me happy everytime i remember there are bunch of people who do care as well

[@TimeGhost]

Thanks for the kind words! They are much appreciated and we're glad you liked it.

[@Harambelikesnitra]

wonderful video, little question: what is the model of Spartacus watch I really like it ?

[@spartacus-olsson]

It’s a LACO pilot watch model B (navigator version) - the design was originally created for the Luftwaffe in the late 1930s and remains in production by three brands.

[@Harambelikesnitra]

@@spartacus-olsson thanks a lot! love your video and keep up the good work!

[@dannelboy1]

i see a lot of parallel history of what happened back then, to what is happening now with "we didn't lose" and a base that will believe whatever their leader says...

[@DB-xq3yn]

The first thaugt that came to mind! Seems to me that's theres allways about 30 percent of humanity that are fact recistant.

[@WillN2Go1]

Concise, clear, powerful.

[@TimeGhost]

Thank you

[@kevinobrien8545]

"Gradually but quickly ... "???🙃