Versus: Thrustmaster TS-XW vs TS-PC

Thrustmaster TS-XW and its sibling TS-PC. An in-depth review of two extraordinary wheelbases.
Note that on 00:00:34 I use PlayStation instead of XBOX. This is of course not correct.
00:00:08 Introduction
00:00:28 Compatibility
00:00:40 The design
00:01:48 Compared to T-GT
00:02:22 Test TS-XW on ACC
00:03:14 Test TS-PC on ACC
00:05:31 Test TS-XW on BeamNG
00:06:21 Test TS-PC on BeamNG
00:08:48 Conclusion

[@SimulatedDrivingResource]

00:00:34 Compatibility with XBOX and PC, NOT PlayStation 00:01:09 Not the T-800 (have been watching Terminator too much) or T808 but the T818 of course Apoligies for the mistakes!

[@billynolanjr2266]

So glad you reviewed this base ! I have the TS -XW only because I really like the red accent. This wheel base is really a marvel in engineering, It blurs the line between DD and belt drive and IMO gives you all you need in a sim . I really do not feel a need to upgrade to a DD if it's even an upgrade at all ! Still as viable now as it was when it came out in 2017 . TM did a fantastic job with this base . One of the best out there still . You cannot go wrong . Great review ! I love mine with the sparco rally wheel rim . Plenty of pros still use it for a reason . Peace !

[@SimulatedDrivingResource]

Its a great base and for most, there is absolutely no reason to upgrade. And i have to admit the red .. 💙💙💙💙💙🤤

[@diab3lo]

because you didn´t checked out a DD , I bought a Moza R9 and CS wheel coming from an overheating T300, an my friend that had an TS-XW camed by to check it out and 2 days later ordered one, he was telling me that he got home and noticed that half of the details he could not notice with the TS-XW and I know that wheel base its very good so DD its definetly a big step up from any belt drive unit

[@SimulatedDrivingResource]

@@diab3lo there is always something "better". Why do you assume it is because of a lack of knowlegde that people don't go out and buy a DD? Some people are happy with what they have.

[@diab3lo]

@@SimulatedDrivingResource if you have one its great keep it, but if you want to buy a wheel base now, its pointles because for that money you have DD wheel bases,thats my point, the price range of this base its to expensive having DD bases in that range

[@SimulatedDrivingResource]

Agreed. You have very sharply priced dd's out there and if you want to upgrade from

[@richardople]

I have the TSPC and it was such a step up from my 10 year old Logitech MOMO Black. I'll eventually switch to DD but I'm in no such hurry as the TSPC is serving my needs perfectly fine. Thank you for this content mate! Love from Canada!

[@SimulatedDrivingResource]

Sometimes when i read fora on Facebook it feels like everyone is losing their minds and selling their good bases to buy DD, not because it is such an upgrade, but because they are hyped by others to do so. I am always happy to read a comment like yours. Thank you for taking the time to comment.

[@hoss3468]

Excellent video, as usual , a real pleasure to watch. This channel deserves way more subs👍

[@SimulatedDrivingResource]

Thank you my friend. Still a long way to go to do this "for a living" but when I look at where I am now vs a year ago, it makes me proud I held on to the commitment. 🙏💪

[@PJDobbs]

Just a little inside tip. Your wife will notice, if you upgrade to the tsxw. Lol. It's a good base. I changed my mind about moza. I'm gonna pick up the 818 when it becomes available in the states. I'm too invested in Thrustmaster.

[@SimulatedDrivingResource]

That is very important information I needed to include in the review!! :D

[@Kyle-R]

just be aware you cant get advance mode on the ts xw and the 488 chalange wheel

[@SimulatedDrivingResource]

Very useful albeit surprising piece of info. Thank you for sharing friend!!

[@vikingkombat9389]

They are same minus Xxbox. They are one of the best Servos ever made. I can tell you from three years with my TS-XW to the Moza R12. I wast worth the upgrade. The detail difference is noticeable but not night and day. Going from Logitechs to the RS 300 was so night and day that I had to get the TS-XW. Point is , if you are already on a RS300 or better and want to go to DD. Don't wast you money unless you plan on hitting the 12nm area at the very least. If you are on Logitech then probably get any belt drive servo and it will feel so much better.

[@DuarteAzeredo]

For a little more (in Portugal) it is better to buy the Fanatec CSL DD or the Fanatec DD Pro 😉

[@SimulatedDrivingResource]

It's always just "a little bit more and you can..." 😎 but yes, the CSL DD is technically the better choice

[@DryUrEyesMate]

They both are identical on the inside, so I have no idea what you’re on about. The only thing that puts them a part is like you said one is for the PC and one is for console

[@SimulatedDrivingResource]

Correct, I believe they are. I did however found simracingsetup.com/product-guides/ultimate-sim-racing-wheel-comparison/ which stated ts-xw as more powerful max torque.

[@RyaNewGame]

The XW is like 6.4 nm, the PC is 6

[@xaliplayz7538]

Is there is a big difference between them and t300 ? And is the t300 good for the sf1000 f1 wheel?

[@SimulatedDrivingResource]

The difference is notable yes. It has about 50% more power and is imo also just a bit smoother. Nonetheless T300 is a fine base and if you are planning to upgrade, I would recommend more going to a direct drive. The SF1000 will work on your T300 yes.

[@vlodeck1]

Thrustmaster TS-XW noisy fan. I changed the factory fan to NOCTUA 40mm NF-A4X10 FLX 5V. It's goo

[@SimulatedDrivingResource]

Never bothered me but I usually have headset on. Good move. Extra cooling and less noise is always a big bonus.

[@phantomlegion4522]

I'm in bit of a toss up between this one and the TGT 2 . I can get a TS pc for 600 CAD on Fakebook market place , someone on Fakebook wants 1200 for the TGT 2 yet I can get it for 900 CAD new on Amazon tired get him to be reasonable and Offred 600 but he practically told me where to go . What do you think should I get the TS PC used or just go get the TGT 2 new ? If they are all the same wheel ( I play on on PC ) . One issue in Canada is a lot of people want close to retail price for their used things , they dont seem to understand that once something leaves the store shelf it devaluates by 40 to 70% even if the box has never been open .and Why would someone pay close to retail for something used when they get new

[@SimulatedDrivingResource]

TS-PC is the same as T-GT on PC since you can't use its 'special' feature on PC (only PS Gran Turismo series). So if the choice is between those, TS-PC. As a bonus, it looks nicer too.

[@phantomlegion4522]

@@SimulatedDrivingResource Thank you so much for the information , I think I will go for the TS-PC ,,, What dose the TGT feature do anyway dose increase nm or ad some kind of rumble effect ?

[@SimulatedDrivingResource]

Correct. The function is called T-DFB (Depth Force Feedback) and works only on Gran Turismo franchise. What it does is takes sound and transduces it to haptic feedback (you can see it with the grille on the front, there is some sort of speaker behind). So you can feel revving of your engine for example. Its a very nifty thing similar to TrueForce of Logitech and FullForce of Fanatec. Some find it pollution of force feedback, I am a very big fan of it.

[@phantomlegion4522]

@@SimulatedDrivingResource Cool feature to bad it wasn't compatible for all platforms and games .

[@SimulatedDrivingResource]

@@phantomlegion4522 absolutely. I was hoping they would have integrated another version of it on their T818 but idle hope

[@CinematicBanger]

Creative minds adapter makes it compatible with PS5.

[@SimulatedDrivingResource]

Absolutely. Drivehub.

[@CinematicBanger]

I forgot I had to buy a Hori PlayStation mini controller. Just plug it into the drive hub to engage it. And leave it plugged in for the duration of your game session.

[@SimulatedDrivingResource]

Indeed. Drivehub emulates the controller if I am not mistaken?

[@kalebasphalt]

But in this case, the MOZA R5 would be a better option as it is DD with almost same amount of torque. Around 830 SGD (586 euros) in Singapore. The TS-XW bundle with the T3PA pedals and the Sparco P310 costs more than 1000 SGD (706 euros). Locally they don't bring in the base alone, and on Amazon the price is crazy high, almost as much as the R5 Bundle itself.

[@SimulatedDrivingResource]

Very good point. Availibility is key ofcourse.

[@AKK5I]

Th R5 only has 5nm while these have 6nm of torque

[@SimulatedDrivingResource]

5,5 if I remember correctly so yes it will have a bit less power but seeing those prices in Singapore 🫤

[@caaarlos]

I got my TSPC 200€new, and Sparco P310 for 160€ new. I got these few days ago just because of the bargain deal. I had TLCM I got 2nd hand "like new" condition for 160€. Overall I'm spending less and getting some better pedals. If they sold just the R5 without the crappy pedals then Moza could sell more units.

[@SimulatedDrivingResource]

@@caaarlos 200 new is very good bargain 😯

[@markweatherall7437]

Hey bro, just stumbled across your video. Any suggestions please, I've owned my TS-XW for just over 2 years with light casual use on xbox one. On average of playing just 2 hours a week due to work commitments and it suddenly what seemed to jam up. The steering went very stiff in game play and I had to use all my strength to actually stear the car and turn the wheel. It wouldnt calibrate next time I switched it on so I decided to do a firmware update but after that it just wouldn't turn on at all and the pc wouldnt recognize the usb (base) I put my ear to the base and could hear a slight noise. USB cable and turbo power pack/adapter all working fine (tested those on friend's ts-xw) So disappointed because its hardly been used really with very low ff setting too. Any suggestions please?

[@SimulatedDrivingResource]

Hmm.. seems it is bricked. You could try getting it in bootloader. Didnt try it before with wheelbases but with mobile phones, it works fine. ts.thrustmaster.com/download/accessories/manuals/TSXWRacer/TSXWRacer_Bootloader_Method.pdf

[@kenbarthSimAV8tor]

I drive sim on PC only; no XBox or Playstation; I am still unsure which one to get if and when my two T300 bases fail LOL!

[@SimulatedDrivingResource]

Well, with the current prices of Fanatec, if you are only on PC, that might be an option too 😈 but then again entire new eco-system ☺️

[@kenbarthSimAV8tor]

@@SimulatedDrivingResource Yes; and my current wheel rims would still ;fit' on either base eh!

[@Conway312]

Ts xw is Xbox & pc not compatible with PlayStation

[@SimulatedDrivingResource]

Absolutely. It is in the pinned comment. An error of my part.

[@Conway312]

@@SimulatedDrivingResource all good, I’ll admit didn’t look through the comments before posting

[@CinematicBanger]

Creative minds makes an adapter to make it compatible with PS5

[@SimulatedDrivingResource]

Absolutely correct. Drivehub.

[@Conway312]

@@CinematicBanger ooooo may have an excuse to play GT7 now, been needing an excuse to use my ps5. Cheers 🍻

[@MrRabbit686]

Das macht mich echt fertig... Überlege schon seit Monaten mit Sim Racing zu beginnen. Hab mich informiert so gut es geht. Ich weiss fast Alles, ohne das es eingebildet klingt. Fanatec kann nicht liefern, Moza funktioniert auf der PS5 nicht. Soll ich echt jetzt 1000€ für nen PC ausgeben?! Oder einfach dieses Wheel für PS.. In der heutigen Zeit wo der Einstieg in die Direct Drive Welt so günstig geworden ist?

[@SimulatedDrivingResource]

Wenn Sie eine PlayStation haben, kaufen Sie etwas, das für PlayStation geeignet ist. Sie können einen T-GT oder T-GT 2 kaufen, die bereits sehr gute Hardware sind und auf einem Gebrauchtmarkt relativ "günstig" zu kaufen sind. Wenn Sie nicht zu viel bezahlen, können Sie es später für einen minimalen Verlust verkaufen, wenn Sie zu Fanatec wechseln möchten. Auf diese Weise können Sie Sim-Racing bereits auf der Konsole erleben und sehen, ob es etwas ist, was Sie wirklich gerne tun und ob es sich lohnt, TAUSENDE auszugeben (denn 1K für einen PC ist ein Anfang, aber Sie werden 3 Bildschirme, eine andere Grafikkarte, ein anderes Rig brauchen , etc). Ich verspreche Ihnen, der Unterschied zwischen Direktantrieb und diesen Basen ist nicht so übertrieben, wie die Leute glauben machen. Die andere Option ist, auf die Rückkehr des GT DD Pro zu warten und 700 € für eine Basis mit einer schlechten Felge und, ok, aber nicht hervorragenden Pedalen zu zahlen.

[@kalebasphalt]

What are your PC specs?

[@SimulatedDrivingResource]

It has a processor, RAM and a GPU ;) Have A Ryzen 7 3700x with 32GB Ram and a GTX 1080 8GB. Nothing special but I can create video's with it

[@BraveHeartYT]

Ts-xw compatible with pc ?

[@SimulatedDrivingResource]

Absolutely