The Truth About Reverb Pedal Placement

Today, I'm shining a light on factors that are largely omitted from the public discussion on reverb pedal placement.
Where do you place your reverb pedals in your signal path, and why? Tell us in the comments below!
Table of Contents:
00:00 Introduction
00:26 What's Missing from the Reverb Discussion?
01:29 The Truth about Spring Reverb
06:20 Spring Reverb Placement Audio Examples
08:36 The Truth about Incorporating Delay and Reverb
10:47 Reverb & Delay in Parallel Audio Example
11:56 Parallel Wet FX Signal Path
12:35 The Truth about Delay & Reverb Pedal Order
13:54 Delay & Reverb Placement Audio Examples
16:44 Conclusion
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[@VertexEffectsInc]

Where do you place your reverb pedals in your signal path, and why? Tell us in the comments below! Table of Contents: 00:00 Introduction 00:26 What's Missing from the Reverb Discussion? 01:29 The Truth about Spring Reverb 06:20 Spring Reverb Placement Audio Examples 08:36 The Truth about Incorporating Delay and Reverb 10:47 Reverb & Delay in Parallel Audio Example 11:56 Parallel Wet FX Signal Path 12:35 The Truth about Delay & Reverb Pedal Order 13:54 Delay & Reverb Placement Audio Examples 16:44 Conclusion

[@loveforallbxlmannif]

Before the amp for convenience but, the preamp is very transparent and do not so much change the sound. (well i use a bass amp, modern Rumble fender. there's a loop but with to much volume for the Headroom spring)

[@VertexEffectsInc]

@@loveforallbxlmannif there's going to be the most color in the preamp than any position in the amplifier. If you want it to sound like an amp spring reverb, the loop is the place if accuracy is the key factor.

[@jimi272]

i'm actually using reverb and delay in the loop. I, when i built my Board, thought about the reverb and delay order that way: when you want a room /slapback sound, the reverb mostly is bypassed or only the reverb is running. Using both, a room reverb and a slapjack delay at the same time, gives a cool effect, but also there: if the delay is short, and feeding into the room reverb, you have a room, and then you have a second room created by the delay that feeds into the reverb. so you end up with "twice" the room as if you use reverb before delay. same goes for longer delays: if you have a long hall reverb creating a space, and you have a delay afterwords, it will just repeat this hall space. but if you put the delay in front of the reverb, its like playing multiple notes into the hall space, which can make the space overcrowded. my opinion for pedalboards is that with delay after reverb, you get a much cleaner reverb that doesn't get muddy so quick, because it hasn't so much "gain" done by the repeats of the delay feeding into it. of course sometimes in some moody situations, where you want multiple guitars simulated with a delay, it can make sense to put it in front. But mostly, i end up preferring delay after reverb. Thats my thoughts, greetings Jonathan

[@VertexEffectsInc]

@@jimi272 all valid!

[@paristhalheimer]

I place guitar, delay, reverb into amp.

[@juanfichtl2011]

Reverb before metalzone

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Go for it!

[@brian1749]

Who needs Reverb when you've got a Metal Zone? Just run a Metal Zone into a Metal Zone and you've got the ultimate TONE!!!

[@andrewwebb604]

Metal Zone, Reverb. Metal Zone

[@devarmont87]

Metal zone -> reverb -> vol 11

[@sdriza]

MetalZone>MetalZone>MetalZone (can never have enough....)

[@danieliger]

I deliberately put reverb before drive. As soon as compact reverb pedals were available in the 80s new waver punk rockers put them in front of fuzz. It’s a big part of the shoe gaze dream pop sound. Not wrong, just different.

[@fallenshallrise]

Reverb first is "wrong" but it's so, so good. A lot of my boards have reverb first or just after the tuner.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

totally not wrong, personal preference is always the first priority.

[@Bilsuburbians]

Yes its part of the essentials in Shoegaze scene. Much reverb and fuzz

[@jarcidiacono1]

@@VertexEffectsInc would you drop tremolo in the effects loop too? Wondering if I try that

[@nedim_guitar]

@@jarcidiacono1 I have had the tremolo after overdrive pedals, in the FX loop. It's cleaner in the loop, but it didn't sound bad after overdrive. Nowadays I don't even use the FX loop, I just put my whole chain into the front of the amp. It's fun to switch around.

[@_left_eye]

Ain’t it cool how many pieces of gear we need today to reproduce a modest sounding version of songs that were actually recorded with a guitar, a cable and an amp?

[@christopherrusch]

classical. i saw bach’s equipboard, he apparently frequently used the catalin bread topanga

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Huh?

[@adrianfripp404]

​@@VertexEffectsInc He's teasing you for saying "classical" when you meant "classic" 1:10. Fair enough for a guy who uses words like "disaggregated". (wink) Not dissing you, though. Like your vids.

[@timharrington4470]

I always learn something every time I watch your videos. They motivate people to try different things which is important. My favorite sound was parallel Reverb and delay. Will definitely be trying Reverb into delay to see the difference. You rock!

[@VertexEffectsInc]

You are so welcome!

[@eddlabel]

In terms of Delay and Reverb, the ideal would be to have them always in parallel. However, we simple humans, pedalboard users, to avoid the mess of the Reverb being repeated in our Delay, go for the common sense order... It's a very good time we are living in with all these gear to mess around with preamp, power amp, effects, different signals, without having to be in a large studio. Great video!

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Thanks for watching!

[@robertbmxpa]

Bravo. Bringing new light to what may otherwise seem a well known, simple topic. Really picked-up where the old conversation of "where do I place my reverb" typically ends, and took off with some in depth exploration. Very nice. I especially appreciate your responses in the comments. Very professional, and top notch!

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Glad it was helpful!

[@jeffbeck5089]

I use a simple formula. Tone, frequency, time. Example: Guitar , OD, Chorus, Delay into the amp. Simplistic, perhaps, but it works

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Sounds good!

[@rndm7528]

I like to play ambient sometimes , so what i do is i run my Big Sky or Boss Tera Echo with a long reverb before a phase 90 or a flanger and sometimes i stick a couple of delay pedals after those. The result is phased reverb that sounds great

[@mattfrazier3759]

Really clear and articulate explanation of technical topic. Thanks so much for taking the time to help me understand!

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Glad it was helpful!

[@blackdogrover]

Awesome! I really dig this tutorial, as it shone light on a topic I think about all the time, but never invested the time researching the answers. Thanks much. Love what you bring to me here. So much knowledge and guidance. Really thought-provoking. 🎶🎶🌅🎶🎶

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Glad it was helpful!

[@petg12340]

Superb video. Brilliantly explained and detailed

[@marcelotorres3285]

Thanks for talking about it AND also doing it!

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Of course!

[@thaianddanelifeinthailand4803]

WOW !! This is good and useful stuff. I play small bars and small venues and this video definitely taught me a thing or two about combining delay and reverb, and especially the important and useful difference between the order of the two. Which boils down to personal preference. And also the song in question being played. Thanks a lot.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Glad it was helpful!

[@Jeff-11_354]

This was seriously one of the best videos you've ever done on this channel. Hat tip.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

🙏🙏🙏 wow thank you!

[@hunterplaysguitar2301]

Nice and very informative video as always Mason 🙏 Thank you.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@strauss885]

Awesome breakdown I appreciate these kind of deep dives into sound and tone 👍

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Glad it was helpful!

[@PatatoKeftes]

Great suggestion on running reverb and delay in paralllel. And man those licks you chose to use to demostrate sounds were just perfect choices.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Glad you liked it!

[@AsouzSan17]

Hi Mason, very good your explanation I am learning more and more about chain of effects. I use the following form: Guitar+Delay+Reverb+Ampli. This formula sounds better to my ears.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Sounds great!

[@HowardFrischer]

I’ve been schooled. Flipping my delay and reverb pedals.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

At least try it out to see what you like, there is no RIGHT answer :)

[@mykneeshurt8393]

my reverb lives in my amp and sound AMAZING when I try to move the amp while it's turned on... Great video!

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Rock on!

[@franknavarro9364]

Thaks a lot!! You enlighten me. Even with my Hx stomp alone that I have right here.

[@bleedinggumsmurphy537]

The explanation here is fantastic but what's even better is that tone with that reverb tank 🤤 oh lordy that's good

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Heck yea!

[@danielmiller2886]

After seeing the title, I'm so confused. I learned the signal chain from your video to begin with!

[@mvwoon]

Delay is an acoustically "later" effect. Slap back, canyon echo, or bounce off a big wall (or old fashioned distributed speaker horn arrays on poles at outdoor arenas) is the last thing that happens, where reverb is a spectrum of reflections and EQ filtering from very fast reflections to longer ones.

[@Souldoubtrocks]

I need to watch this 10 times to digest it all. 😂

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Be sure to use the table of contents!

[@samrotschild]

Recently discovered your channel. Great info. Already suscribed

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Thanks and welcome

[@onewiththings]

I'm always learning something new!

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Thanks for watching!

[@rawkzilla2319]

Excellent video...will be viewing this again later to fully absorb everything with gear handy. Thnx 🎶🎸👍

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Awesome! Hope we earned your subscription!

[@rawkzilla2319]

@@VertexEffectsInc Yes definitely subbed 👍

[@aaronfrazier524]

Love your videos! Keep them coming, I'm a bass player who's always open for learning scenarios like this, you explain them very well.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Awesome, thank you!

[@crock2434]

Shoegaze put it before dirt, ambient & drone it can be a pad before delay. Or after delay and a looper. It can go where ever.... I like the jhs octave reverb at a -1 setting before fuzz its like a wall of green ringer like reverb perfect for weirdness.

[@geo5772]

As usual Mason, an old dog CAN learn new tricks, thanks for pointing out the in/out on the reverb of the older Fender amps as a means of inserting an effect as opposed to the effects loop on newer amps...

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Thanks for watching Geo!

[@geo5772]

Whenever I can Mason!!

[@RichInternationalAir]

Mason, though you posted this a year ago, I've only just seen it. Very helpful, thank you! 😊 🎸

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Glad it was helpful!

[@BkBk-gy6vr]

Place it where ever you want whenever you want no right or wrong and don't let anyone tell you you're doing it wrong.

[@Pro355Street]

Awesome and informative video. Thanks for putting this one out! I run a clean platform amplifier with delay before AND after reverb ;) because options 🤙🏻

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Nice!!! Glad you enjoyed the video, hope we earned your subscription!

[@Hamppzah]

Most informative guitar rig content out there currently!

[@VertexEffectsInc]

🙏🙏🙏

[@pursharthchawla8306]

killer video! thank you so much

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Glad you dig it!

[@FranktheBlindArtist]

Great video! Gave me lots of parallel ideas

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Glad to hear it!

[@chrisdaviesguitar]

the placement of pedals is solely down to the user. there is no right or wrong way. If it sounds good to you, then it's right.

[@soundslikebroken3333]

Exactly. Depends on what you're going for. If you want to emulate your heroes and the sounds of the past, he's absolutely right. If you're doing something different and unique, you aren't beholden to conventional wisdom. *shrugs

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Nothing in here disputes that sentiment.

[@reverendg5937]

Thanks for being you. The Rig Doctor Strikes Again!!!!

[@randyheath8566]

It's been so long since I used a pedal board, I don't recall where I would place my pedals at. But I do remember that I had pedals, I plug straight in now.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Maybe it's time to start bringing a few back into the mix?

[@j_wah3084]

Love it. Reverb pedals typically don't sound "right" to my ears. Now I know why. Rock on, Mason. 🤘

[@VertexEffectsInc]

This may not be the only reason, but perhaps one of them.

[@HisRoyalSelf]

I like you. You're a good egg. I'm glad you exist. Thank you.

[@error8418]

Very nice overview over a complex subject. I have always preferred my reverb at the very end of the signal chain, i.e. after the mic pre. There's only so much you can do with running a pedalboard into the front end of an amp.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Yep, we did that in the Wet/Dry scenario basically - very similar.

[@error8418]

@@VertexEffectsInc I have been experimenting with an HX stomp for that application.

[@gregmize01]

Always interesting!

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Thanks for watching!

[@bozzolanmusic3617]

Very good man !!!

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Thanks for listening

[@glenndowell3373]

Great content and information… I wish you had a signal chain master class.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Maybe one day! Thanks for watching Glenn!

[@badgerdub]

Excellent video! I really learned some stuff and got turned on to new vendors and tools. Parrallel reverb and delay is cool but there is also nothing wrong with stacking 3 delays in serial like Ry Cooder. You would think this would sound like muddy shoegaze mess but he gets some of the most incredibly huge clean sounds this way. Catalinbread Talisman plate reverb is my favorite reverb pedal because it sounds extremely good plugged into the front of a clean or gritty Fender. It does the EMT140 sound in a simple pedal better than anything else. I find that using a high efficiency speaker like a JBL E120 in an open back cab is very friendly to having big lush reverbs run through them. A low wattage speaker like a V30 sounds better having reverb added after the mic.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Thanks for watching!

[@MoggioMTB]

Funny when I bought the new BOSS RV-2 because the Marshall had no reverb, just spent 5 mins experimenting and plugged it in last in the pedal chain. It sounded "goodest" and that's where it stayed because it gave a reverby sound. Bigger room, dial it back, smaller room dial it up a bit. Pretty much end of thought about it. Now that pedal sounds very different to an amp reverb but it gave that rough space to the sound and as an effect sounded cool. Really rough and brute force with no subtlety in that thinking. Great video explaining what can be done!!

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Thanks for watching!

[@GitShiddy]

I have a Source Audio Collider that I run in mono with an MXR Sugar Drive after then I split the signal with an Ernie Ball Expression Tremolo & MXR Carbon Copy going to the cleaner amp & a Dunlop Mini-Wah goin to the dirtier amp (both amps are on at all times). It's quite versatile in crafting whatever sound I want with respect to reacting to reverbs. Drive after verb is hugely underrated.

[@Soundchain101]

Very useful segment. Thanks. Following up on your call for suggestions, a segment like this might benefit from including examples from famous recordings, where possible. For instance, noting that tube reverb boxes appear to have been developed and used prior to integration into guitar amps, it would have been cool to have one or two samples of segments of famous songs/artists where this set up was used and to hear the studio reference. Not necessarily an easy task but a nice to have. Thanks again.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Great suggestion!

[@ericviking6530]

I once had a vibroking, I think the reverb was placed in front of the preamp, set as a standalone unit. I now use a Koch classictone 210 with a surfybear in front of preamp. Am I right about the vibroking? Greetz from the Netherlands (where Koch amps are made).

[@whodunitpros8555]

Hey Mason, great segment. I’ve been enjoying the TC Electronic Plethora 5x which offers an array of TC E pedals but also allows you to switch pedal order on the fly simply by pressing both foot switches at the same time. Some banks I’ll have a tremolo, delay, reverb, delay, reverb, and then can stack or switch as needed.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Nice, that's a cool pedal!

[@AndersonGandra]

Very good! Thank you! PS: THAT strat sound 🤤

[@VertexEffectsInc]

It's a good one! Shout out to to Chicago Music Exchange for picking a gem of a guitar for me :).

[@eduardoprieto5267]

Super cool thanks.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Glad you liked it!

[@clifford_2zero7]

7:05 "wicked game" I play that all the time. One of my favorite reverb tunes. EDIT** Then you played "hallelujah" which is probably my favorite reverb-y tunes that I play frequently. Jeff Buckley's version that solo he does at the 420-430 mark is amazing love that lil bit!

[@guitareMTL]

I like to put the reverb first position in the chain so it can distord when I drive the tubes.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Very shoegaze application

[@TheStudioRats]

Fantastic video!

[@VertexEffectsInc]

🙏🙏🙏 just follow the lead of the “Rats” keep up the good work gents! Thanks for watching!

[@ElijahRock92]

I really like that bright, chime-like sound

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Nice!

[@jayseb]

And me that thought I knew how to use my Reverb... hahaha. I mean I run it in the loop, but as for the rest... well. Great video.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Glad to help!

[@felixkjonsberg6493]

I usually stack reverbs on my board. One in front of delay, one after, and sometimes on the amp. Right now, I'm using spring into analog delay into room reverb

[@rocky2195]

You need more delay bro

[@ken1davies2]

I sense pedal some re-ordering in my future. Great vid!

[@VertexEffectsInc]

thank Kenneth, hope we earned your subscription!

[@ken1davies2]

@@VertexEffectsInc You did!

[@erhnam]

I have two pedal boards. One has a DD-500 in front of a Trinity using spring or plate and the other one has a Supernatural in front a DD-5 using shimmer type effects. Both works depending on what type of music I play.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

👌👌👌

[@oaeoeaoRust]

This video made me run a reverb pedal before a distortion and refer to it as classical.

[@damonb.9300]

You rock dude. I am a plain Jane guy. I play my guitars into a crate v1512 with a deluxe memory boy straight in. This video just decided how I want to run my rig

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Great news!

[@simonhirstmusic]

Awesome video Mason! Personally, it just depends on what sound I’m chasing, and the context. If it’s in the studio then I’ve found it’s about knowing which placement helps me achieve which result and then setting it up accordingly. If it’s strictly my live board for my original music then I like it last 👍🏻 I do it that way because it gives me a similar thing as to what I’d do when adding in a reverb in a DAW which I like. I mostly use reverb more sparingly so this works well. But again, that’s just what’s works best for me 👌🏻

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Thanks for watching and for the comment!

[@teedub127]

I've always placed my reverb at the end of the chain. My favorite reverb unit is the 1st version of the Alesis Microverb, it's not a pedal but I use it on my pedal board.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Nice!

[@teedub127]

@@VertexEffectsInc Even nicer, I found it at a Goodwill store for $10.00.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

@@teedub127 Nice!

[@user-pd1oc2zs9q]

I love reverb, chorus and tremolo. I have found it essential to put a reverb pedal available before AND after each one on my board. If I was forced to choose one option, I would set up with my reverb BEFORE each of those effects. Especially the tremolo! If you like tremolo, make sure you try it after the reverb! The assumption reverb should be at the end is worth testing!!

[@playpm]

Reverb into delay might be out of control, cuz the stacked reverb tails from delay can boost the highs quite a lot, you can definitely hear the clipping from video demo at 14:50, it's clipping at almost every strumming and it sounds harsh to me. So didn't convince me for that part, but appreciated for explaining where the reverb happens in that amp.

[@charleswood2182]

Good stuff.

[@Mauitaoist]

I have an original 64 fender Princeton reverb.I love the Reverb on the amp, I also have reverb by my board but I always keep my Princeton set for a clean sound so it doesn't really interfere with the drive because all my drives come from my pedals so I can have both. Also I use delay before reverb. Just the way Mason said was "wrong" but I like the delay to be crisp followed by reverb, and keeping my amp clean the reverb is still post preamp as my pedal drives are the acting as the "preamp". I love using parallel effects when I'm playing through my rack.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

You can still have crisp delay post reverb, however it's impossible on a vintage Fender amp because you can't separate the pre and power amp. The part we're saying is "wrong" is more of - if you're attempting to set up a vintage reverb tone with an amp without reverb to resemble an old Fender, like you have, you have to put the reverb in the loop. Just as your '64 Princeton has the Reverb after the preamp in terms of the internal circuitry.

[@iamkennymartin]

The Source Audio Collider is really cool and allows you to easily switch from cascaded to parallel, reverb before delay, etc to test out the different preferences you might have.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Yes, we tout the magic of the Collider regularly on this channel! Great pedal!

[@iamkennymartin]

@@VertexEffectsInc I’ve really loved it so far. The flexibility in routing and the whole aspect of the neuro desktop editor and burning presets from the community is amazing and really easy. I have a small board, and wanted an amp-less option, so I recently swapped out my Source Audio Ventris and Empress Echosystem for a Collider, which gave me room for a Walrus ACS1 for amp-cab sim. The ventris and echosystem are obviously awesome too, but I found myself using about 10% of what they were capable of doing, so the Collider has been a great fit for me. Has plenty of engines still to work with.

[@RobertNolan]

The Fender 6G15 was available from 61-66, this was for models like the Brown Panel Deluxe, Bassman models, Tremolux, and Bandmaster respectively -models that did not have the built in reverb feature. Part of the love that is for the 6G15 style unit is that there was no other tone than to go right in the front of the amp if you wanted it, so you had to work with it as is. It's the Dick Dale surf tone that you're going for if you're looking at it.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Robert, correct, and I don't think anything in this video disputes that - I think you'll agree. I think Dick Dale used a Showman with 2x15's, super clean. That's definitely a sound in and of itself. It would have been nice to use a Spring Reverb tank in this video as well. I have a mid 60's Reverb Tank, but it wasn't functional - we'll have to revisit this later :)

[@RobertNolan]

@@VertexEffectsInc I have the silver panel version with the tubed buffer in it, the reissues have this in their design as well if I'm remembering correctly. I think the take away from this video is that it's important to test wherever possible because you may find a method you really love that's outside of conventionalism. Peace, brother... And get that 6g15 fixed! 🤙 Maybe send it to Colleen Fazio/Fazio Electric?

[@VertexEffectsInc]

@@RobertNolan I'm working on it...I just need to make the time, I'm like the cobbler whose kids have no shoes :)

[@Thebarbariantruckershow]

I run my reverbs through my effects loop and then my fuzz's, compressor, drives through the guitar. Works the best for me.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

👍👍👍

[@walterwhite390]

Very interesting!

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Thanks for watching!

[@barstia7847]

The hardwire rv7 si the best reverb Ive seen! The plate is just amazing,and gated! And spring!

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Couldn't agree more!

[@Danthehorse]

As I recall Mason, reverb into delay was an 80s session trick , love it.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Yes, I think that was mentioned in the video! For sure was an 80's rack thing.

[@Danthehorse]

@@VertexEffectsInc having me/cfs I sometimes miss what is said bro. Good vid.

[@robertw1871]

Live I run the verb last in the effects chain.. tracking I run dry and add the room verb in the mixing process… or I run the amp in a live room and skip all those steps, print it directly with some EQ and call it done…

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Sounds great!

[@thisisfrankie]

Happy to see the Hardwire RV-7. Such an underrated series.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Couldn't agree more!

[@barstia7847]

It's the best reverb Ive had! Simply better sounding than Hall of fame,boss reverb,etc

[@thisisfrankie]

Very crips and professional sounding packed in a box. No wonder it’s price has gone up in the used market

[@JohnOhkumaThiel]

You can't fool me Jack Black. I know it's you!

[@jayaristonlim4244]

😆

[@silverdragon0000120]

I have a mesa badlander. If I wanted delay and reverb. Would it be okay to put reverb in the effects loop and have the delay on the front of the amp or together with the reverb in the effects loop? Thanks. I'm new to this

[@VertexEffectsInc]

I’d say both in the loop.

[@ericleary5075]

At the end unless I use a clean boost at the end, then it’s reverb then boost. I’ve just always done it that way because it sounded good to my ear.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

And thats all that matters, whats sounds best to you! Glad you enjoyed the video Eric!

[@guitarmike6757]

Very helpful video thank you 😊

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Glad it was helpful!

[@house-o-twang]

Thanks man, that helped! Ever yell into the Grand Canyon? You actually get nothing back because its way too big. lol

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Presume you’re in the canyon, not on top of it

[@CorbCorbin]

I don’t know why your comment made me think of Shane Black’s echo joke in Predator, but it did. 😆

[@VertexEffectsInc]

@@CorbCorbin I don't know this reference :)

[@playdelay]

You can use certain Fryette attenuators to add an fx loop to many amps... I've wanted to try that out!

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Yes you can!

[@DaLawn]

What song are U playing @ 14:27? Thanks.

[@PhearNoneGearGadgets]

I wonder what your recommendations would be for electric violin. Would they change? how do you feel about UAFX golden reverberator . Thank you for this detailed review.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

It wouldn't change much...you might need something that converts your mic'd Violin to high impedance unbalanced like a Voco Loco to bring in pedals properly, but otherwise would be the same approach.

[@oldtimer99]

Nice, what are your strat pickups?

[@CyberneticArgumentCreator]

I play with a very clean amp specifically so I can run everything in front of it and be mostly fine. I have other amps that I play with just the amp's dirt and a delay in the FX loop with the amp's built-in reverb, but the pedalboard goes into a big clean Deville 212 so I don't HAVE to mess with 4CM and the effects loop. I kind of view the entire signal chain before it hits the amp as a facsimile of the preamp->distortion->FX loop order of an amp with desirable dirt. Light drive pedals into heavier drive pedals into a chorus or trem (or whatever modulated effect) into delay into reverb and then over into the amp input. Bog standard but the bog has that standard for a reason.

[@andreacanova8253]

In my experience, and in my actual pedalboard, the chain I love most is: dyn>drv>preamp>cab sim>mod>delay>reverb.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Cool!

[@waitin4winter]

Geez, tough crowd. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

You bet

[@deletechannel13]

Mason, will you make a video about the hinged riser and how to run cabling from underneath it, where to put tie down mounts and stuff like that?

[@VertexEffectsInc]

I think we have several on this already in our rig build videos :)

[@ruffestneckaround]

Oceans 12 last in the loop, I find myself using the tremo-verb a lot. I recently acquired a DR Z Z-Verb spring tank and have been running it last in front of my combo that doesn't have a loop and it sounds amazing, for *that* sound. Can't wait to try it in a loop on my Rectifier and Silver Jubilee 🤘

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Sounds good! Just make sure the spring tank can accept the fx loop levels of your amps without clipping.

[@ruffestneckaround]

@@VertexEffectsInc I will watch for that, thank you!

[@iansnyder274]

Great info.thank you. Btw, do you know any source for an original NOS accutronics/Gibbs thanks for an original br vibrolux reverb? I have tried the aftermarket ones and they don't do it for me.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

I usually pull old reverb tanks out of old Fender PA's or non-working Fender amps from the 70's or 80's.

[@iansnyder274]

@@VertexEffectsInc great tks!

[@VertexEffectsInc]

@@iansnyder274 good luck!

[@stratowhore9051]

CLASSIC studio sounds, CLASSIC amps. Respect your gear knowledge and quality videos, but, have you ever heard of a "classical car"? CLASSIC! CLASSIC! (I'm an English teacher).

[@VertexEffectsInc]

I'm fairly sure that both classic and classical can be used as nouns or adjectives. In the example you used, classic cars are a genre of cars - it's a noun. Just like when you say, "Sports Cars" it's a noun - sports isn't being use as an adjective, it's a type of car all its own. In the context of this video, I'm using "classical" as a way to describe (as an adjective) the canonized rig builder era of building styles that acts as the Mt. Rushmore standard for what we know as the modern pedalboard and rack rigs. I don't see anything that disqualifies "classical" here. I'll take any information that refutes this under advisement if you're wanting to qualify your comment beyond "English teacher".

[@scottiev77]

@@VertexEffectsInc isn’t calling something classical as an adjective mean “like from the classical era”. That’s what it sounds like you’re saying each time, and Bach didn’t use spring reverb on his harpsichords rig.

[@bks252]

@@scottiev77 who gives a shit? It’s an instructional video on reverb pedals and placement. Do you sit around all evening and comment on every video you watch on their choice of adjectives or nouns? Get a life and enjoy and learn from the video that he took the time to make.

[@simoneh4732]

Wampler did a video a few years back saying Reverb after Delay, then did another video a couple years later where he backtracked and preferred Delay after Reverb. Personally I find Reverb after Delay (in front of the amp) has too much wash - I like the crispness of having Delay at the end. My favourite part of this video and my key takeaway was the Reverb before vs after pre-amp comparison. Big difference, and much nicer sound and closer to the original. I don't think I'll fuss with that for live playing, but that's great to know for recording.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Personal preference is everything, also depending on how intense the delay is will also change how influenced it is. Of course, you can run them in parallel and then the order doesn't matter :)

[@gringogreen4719]

I have four Reverb pedals on my board. I'm pretty sure at least one or two is doing well with your ideals.🤔

[@michael_caz_nyc]

Very interesting. What pickups are in that guitar? ( sounds killer ). It really has that Landau-vibe?

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Sonic Pickups: sonicpickups.com/collections/single-coils/products/rattlesnake-specials-texas-blues-hot-wound-single-coil-set

[@danpugatch]

Appreciate your videos, I currently run guitar > Tremolo > digital delay > reverb > clean amp that doesn't have FX loop . I'm looking to add overdrive and fuzz just not sure which should be first.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Nice! Fuzz closer to guitar generally.

[@centauriatacama1794]

If you want grit & sensitivity, fuzzes should go closer, like a fuzz face or I have a Spaceman Sputnik iii which is really touchy. However though I sort of demand a bigger sound. I currently have: sd1->angry charlie v3->hm2w->plumes this then runs into my fuzzes: twin bender->sf300->muffuletta