Vertical Caving - Micro-Rack Descenders

[@TreeGirlDesigns]

I appreciate the knowledge you present in your video. I am a tree climber not a caver. I am always looking into new ways to improve my climbing with gear from different industries. Occasionally I repel off buildings. I’m not so sure this device would work for me and I appreciate your time in making the video

[@thumpr4]

Great review. On Rope1 is a short drive from me to Tennessee. They are great folks indeed and always a pleasure to visit their store.

[@JeffWurst]

Your analysis is so close to my own experience. It makes is very easy to trust all your opinions! I used to be too often having to pick between tediously feeding the rope or using using the 2-bar+hyper method on a short frame micro rack. I eventually moved to a Stop and haven't looked back.

[@DerekBristol]

Thanks, but you definitely shouldn't trust all of my opinions. I also prefer bobbins for most of the types of caving I do, but the long frame micro would be my second choice.

[@danegarreau]

I switched from a standard rack to a long frame microrack this summer and never looked back!!!

[@spaceman61]

Still happy with it? You trust those locking nuts to stay on with your life? If those nuts fail you’ll drop!

[@aglobippo9934]

That's why I'll always use a bobbin. Safer to inspect, if the rope is muddy or swollen by humidity, i just make an inverted c instead of the s shape before putting it into the other "brake" carabiner on the main maillon of my harness

[@primaryendo]

I'm exactly 200lb. Which micro rack would you recomend, short frame or long frame, 1 hyper bar or 2?

[@Matrix7041]

I've seen some cavers using two hyper bars on their micro rack and locking it off by wrapping the rope over the top hyper bar, then the lower, then taking a bight and twisting it before wrapping it over the top bar a second time. This configuration is sort of like the method you showed without a second hyper bar but without feeding the bight through the frame. What are your thoughts on this?

[@trav_adventures]

That's how I learned how. I find it's safe and just as fast if a lock off.

[@AthamAldecua]

Micro-rack for the win.

[@christopherthomas8722]

What do you think about using a DMM Perfect O with a captive bar? It would seem to follow your philosophy on why you like the Omni! All the security of the maillon but quicker

[@DerekBristol]

I'm not sure I fully understand the question. If you're asking if a DMM Perfect O is acceptable for attaching a micro-rack to a central connector, then yes... I agree, but you still should do a safety test and guard against the possibility of cross-loading. I'm not sure what this carabiner looks like with a "captive bar" (like the DMM Belaymaster maybe?). In general carabiners are not designed for a multi-axial load. They should only be loaded along the long axis. As long as it's used this way it should be fine.

[@gindling1054]

I had bought a short frame before they sold the long frame and ended up having to put SS spacers between the first and second bars to even have it move on 11mm rope.

[@badams2025]

At long last!!

[@hhuodod2209]

A fig 8 will take any rope x

[@KyleA901]

On a long rapell it will also twist the rope.

[@youregonnaattackthem]

Nick rack, peppy