‘Very disturbing detail’: Ex-FBI official analyzes photo posted by shooter’s father

[@Kyle7K]

I'm a huge KMFDM fan. I'm also very pro gun regulation reform. I have depression issues. People in my school days 'attempted' to bully me. I've never, ever even considered committing such violence. I help people, help my community, and I give as much as I can. This speaks more to the accessibility of the weapons and the parenting. My parents taught me to stand up for myself and take care of business with my hands. This parent taught their kid to to be a coward, to give in to the power of those that bullied her and to amplify the hate with bullets.

[@18_rabbit]

bingo! Thank u so very much for sharing your reality! You are abso correct! This is about society and values, and the fact that the conservative elements in America have become militaristic and seethingly violence-ajacent, as we see regularly with road rage and brandishing guns etc.

[@isanchez3404]

I agree...another fan of their music and back then we had fist fights...our American culture was glorified the gun and our kids go to that as first option. My father had a gun rack in his truck when we we're kids, no one thought of grabbing it and using it as a solution. I think our exposure then taught us to respect it as a tool, not as the one and only solution.

[@ahsatan74]

Me too! I’m 50 and loved em since the 90’s. Ridiculous.

[@Kyle7K]

@ahsatan74 I'm pushing 50 myself!

[@danielburns8199]

Heaven forbid that America focus on the real problem . . . Let's talk about her shirt, music, video games . . . Let's avoid talking about the fact that this almost never happens in any other country.

[@jamieyardley377]

Or the refusal to diagnose and TREAT Depression. Hence the drug use and lashing out

[@iGame3D]

@@jamieyardley377 Depression diagnosis results in more drug use, just drugs that don't do anything to make life livable.

[@Roadie_342]

And what is the problem ?? Guns and underage access to guns !!!

[@lolah3838]

@@jamieyardley377 People in other countries have depression and angst, particularly in the teen years. The diff is obvious - it's the guns.

[@anthonylucero6650]

Because other countries are full of stupid Liberals ya mook😒

[@tbe0116]

As someone who grew up in small Christian schools, it was very common for parents to place their mentally/emotionally unstable kids in these schools as a last resort. I always had a few kids in my class that were expelled from public school for behavioral issues.

[@ditzygypsy]

Yes. I’m not Mennonite, or even German, but I went to a private Christian Mennonite HS here in 🇨🇦, and we had quite a few of those last resort kids whose families had the money to pay the tuition. Not sure why though or if it even helped, because out of a grad class of 105, there were 7 girls pregnant by the time Grad day came around, lol. None were last resort kids. That’s what happens when you over shelter your kids. They get a driver’s licence and go off the deep end!

[@iGame3D]

We had a catholic school in town that ended at 8th grade, that's when all the heavy drug users from Catholic school poured into the public Junior High. The girl I had a crush on was one of these deliquents, she did so poorly in public school they had to ship her and her best friend off to the all girl's catholic school out of town, where she bragged about being allowed to help 'get stuff' from the teacher's car where they got high together.

[@deborahcooler8392]

I worked at a school like this in Mexico. The mission of the school was to train Christian leaders of the future, and one of the requirements was that a child should not be forced to attend against his will. Yet, we had them. Mental, emotional, behavioral, disabled...for which teachers were not trained nor equipped to handle. I had 2 troublesome middle school boys who conspired to put my job at risk.They made school hell; the other students begged that they be expelled. Yes, my children also attended a private school for a time in the US, where such children were admitted, several of which were kicked out of public schools. One had seizures in class often and every day.

[@stevenmark8156]

Yes, Christians feel that they should try to help anyone in need, but often forget that they have normal people to protect too! So they take these problem kids in with good intentions, while endangering the others! Being a Christian myself, I can understand the dilemma, but we all need to wise up! Many of these troubled kids (and adults) need to be locked up. We used to have state run mental hospitals for them, but closed most of them for some bizarre reason! It’s like we now live in a huge insane asylum and the crazies are running the place! We pretend that it’s normal and it’s not! We have come to the place where we even allow these wackos to run the country! (I.E. the last four years! )

[@candacedawn357]

I went to Catholic schools & saw the same!

[@pureounce.9184]

As a foreigner, it's super jarring the focus on this report is more fixated on a child wearing a specific t-shirt, than a child shooting guns at a gun range. You Americans have it so wrong and you can't even see it. This will keep happening in your country at this frequency unfortunately.

[@Uouttooo]

She was under parental supervision in the shooting range. What is so odd about that? So you don't have shooting range for bow shooting in your country or your parents never took you to one where they shoot with bows and arrows?

[@jinxterpinxter]

@@UouttoooTeenagers should NOT have ANY access to guns. Parental supervision or not. Period. No we do not have shooting ranges where I’m from. And I grew up just fine, playing video games and basketball, and hanging out with my friends. You know, typical activities for teenagers. If kids aren’t allowed to purchase cold medicines, why are they allowed to use guns?

[@JonnyDubois-y4g]

As a foreigner from another country, you probably would’ve been voting for Kamala and became part of the problem…

[@tbe0116]

American media has done this for decades. It’s about ratings and finding something all parents can be scared of. In the 90s everything was blamed on bands, video games, rap lyrics, etc. Not much as changed. Luckily, cnn is watched by 2% of the population.

[@danray63]

I agree. Focusing on t shirts and music is missing the target. What good is training a gun for? Better to learn how to cook, change a tire, build a house and keep kids busy learning real life skills.

[@lastingbeauty7416]

Where ever or whoever she got that gun deserves to go to prison. No more tolerance for irresponsible parenting and gun ownership.

[@erikamackenzie2408]

Not even specifically her but what if someone that did that stole the gun? Your comment seems like things can be so black and white, just being devil's advocate...

[@Warsie]

She's a white woman from Wisconsin. You'll have to arrest a LOOOT of people even in a city as large as Madison

[@mangosanctuary]

Aren't guns legal in the States? Doesn't she have some amendment right to a gun?

[@shozi1799]

@@mangosanctuary She's a child.

[@robertk617]

@@mangosanctuary kzbin.info/www/bejne/anjQiXWve6-leqs

[@TVTV-b3f]

Blaming the band, the t shirt, anything except guns is wildddd!!! For anyone outside the US its obvious kids are less important than guns

[@MtHermit]

Kids are used as a political tool by both parties and it's absolutely disgusting

[@ujjc001]

They're not blaming the band or the shirt, they're saying there's a connection to the other shooters that is linked via this very specific connection... I. E. If you emulate the other shooters in every way, some day you might also emulate the shooting too...

[@evanshea5199]

What are you 12? Is it WILD?! Tired of morons saying everything is “wild” or “crazy”. Grow up and stop saying shit teenagers say.

[@FenwayCheapSeats]

I agree the reporting here is a bit clumsy, but they weren't blaming the band or the t-shirt. Rather pointing out that the T-shirt has a major connection (especially for someone her age) to a horrific previous school shooting. It totally sucks for the band that their t-shirts might be used in tribute to those Columbine assholes. Seems like this shooter was into some serious violent/neo-nazi/race war inciting culture, and this t-shirt in her case could have been a red flag that could have clued people into that she was on a dark path.

[@Benfry57]

They’re not blaming the band. They’re saying that it’s an indicator of ideology, which might be true or might not. Obviously, too many people like Led Zeppelin for that to be interesting. Can the same be said for this band, or are they so niche that it actually does point to something suspicious? Either way, it really sucks for this band to be associated with this kind of thing. I’m with you though, guns are a huge problem, and we need to talk seriously about how to do more on that front.

[@Piyumoon]

How a kid gets easy access to gun? Parents are equally responsible for this tragedy😢

[@jweaver7561]

lots of families hunt for food. They teach their kids about firearms and dressing the meat etc. How do you separate them from the crazies?

[@rrcDTD2013]

Parents must have a percentage of responsibility for their child’s actions. Particularly where parents are negligent to clear problems with their kid. When a dog is aggressive, the owner is at fault for not training them properly. Having children is a RESPONSIBILITY.

[@Just-Human]

Half of Chicago would be locked up if this were to happen.

[@ShastaBean]

@@Just-Human sounds like a start

[@Emolga6274]

So the crumblys are doing 15 years in jail for not locking up the gun of their shooter son Ethan. Why is no one talking about locking this girls dad up? Obviously the dad gave her free use of the gun without locking it up at home .

[@justsaying9443]

All the evidence has to come in and the investigation into it needs to be done.

[@wakemiamigreatagain]

We haven't heard all of the evidence yet. If the parents didn't lock up the guns they will most likely be charged. Give it time.

[@LA-wv7gf]

Likely taking her to the range is far different than giving her unsupervised access or ex if he had locked in a gun safe but gave her the code or didn't havr them locked at all.

[@iGame3D]

They bought a gun for a kid who had already made death threats against the school. Why are you people so obliviously stupid?

[@ericdwhitmorec]

Because the crumblys have to be proven to be negligent AF before they would even indict them...and they were. Because as the man said In America children being trained in weapons of warfare is not uncommon... (And that's...just ...acceptable... I guess)

[@RSB1949]

Spoiler alert; it’s not the T-shirt it’s the fact a teenager has access to guns and is trained in warfare 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@edgratz3425]

Trained in warfare??? It's a trap range where you shoot shotguns at clay pigeons. Got news for ya. That's not warfare. What a tool.

[@davidpaglia1326]

Self defense.

[@anastasiabeaverhausen8220]

Yes, exactly. And then when they can't 'deal' they can show how angsty they are by acting out with a weapon. I believe in preventing teen suicide (and suicide in general) but, sometimes...if someone is determined to take their life I wish they would act alone and not involve others in their drama.

[@Joe-sg9ll]

apt profile pic

[@Joe-sg9ll]

​@@edgratz3425they don't like that term.

[@browngreen933]

Extreme teen angst. Terminal nihilism. Easy gun access. Bad combination. 😢

[@jamieyardley377]

Depression is treatable. It’s not angst and is rampant. I think it increased after Covid. Also I believe instability for children is a precursor as is domestic violence/power struggles/misogyny. These also are blossoming in society.

[@iGame3D]

@@jamieyardley377 You get all that from your 'beliefs"? Sounds like you're just out of touch and making up nonsense.

[@ryv2484]

Vile anti-man rhetoric often supported by leftist stooges on the internet. Don’t forget the most important part.

[@anastasiabeaverhausen8220]

In a nutshell. You are correct.

[@strychnyne3530]

Two albums from the band are Angst and Nihil...

[@Tobefrank22]

This father is either ignorant or complicit. He needs to be held accountable. These people are a scourge on society

[@ShawnTurner-m7g]

No that title belongs to pedophiles. Period

[@JoanneGreene-g4l]

ok

[@kealohaowhyhee]

duh he is gOD duped, thus....

[@18_rabbit]

YES, BUT it's general culture! Many conservatives are steeped in a gun/militaristic culture. If u don't want to deal with that and oppose it, then attitudes re guns will never change!

[@annetterohla8932]

​​@@18_rabbitWe've had lots of Muslims in the U.S. mow down crowds of pedestrians . How are you going to blame our 2nd Ammendment rights for that ? Quit making excuses for the cult behaviors and dr*ggies .

[@VoodooCosmonaut]

Oh, FFS. We're back to blaming rock and roll??? The gun culture, the ignorant parents, the media fascination with violence, all that gets a pass - but they music this girl was listening to was part of the problem? Bull$#!+

[@FenwayCheapSeats]

I don't think anyone in this report is blaming the band? Just pointing out that for a 15 year old to wear a t shirt whose only cultural significance to someone of her age would be a reference to hero worship of school shooters should have been the reddest of red flags.

[@Uouttooo]

Comprehension is clearly not your strong suit!😂🤣

[@quirkyviper]

​@FenwayCheapSeats The problem is that some regular people will actually blame the band, lyrics or an entire genre in order to have a quick target for their finger pointing. We've seen this time and time again no matter how little sense it actually makes. The Satanic Panic, Rap music, the rise of video games in addition to rock/metal have always been scapegoats for people who don't look deeper. At this point, knowing this history, it does feel like if you mention these things, you can count on people blaming the band after reading headlines or watching a newscaster point this detail out. All of that, no matter how diligent the news may be in appropriately presenting the details.

[@MrDavidljr29]

What is a gun culture?

[@hypnophonz]

Music is not part of the media you say is fascinated by violence? The music kids listen to over and over has a clearly strong effect. See any white boys who talk and dress like the gangsta rappers? Note: The Beatles only inspired children to grow their hair longer. All uniforms & clothing styles help to easily profile ones thinking.

[@ChrisCoombes]

Could America’s lack of gun control also be a factor I wonder?

[@MissEddieBlueKawaiiKrafts]

There is much more too it than that, there was less gun control 100 years ago but no school shootings then.. children need a community, family involvement & teachers & aids speaking up & standing up to bullying

[@ProctorsGamble]

🤔 Just… 🤔

[@terrystroble8657]

no

[@user-fl6ko9do5y]

no hyper sexuality and gender ideology confusing kids on FACTS.

[@jimlewis2395]

Violent criminals wont allow anybody to "control" their guns. Time to get a new fantasy, child

[@gilu7992]

I live in Switzerland and can not understand how it is possible for a 15j old to have Access to a gun…

[@jennymacallan9071]

I live in the US, and I cannot understand it either.

[@iGame3D]

Poland is training and arming all their children to defend against Russian invasion, you might want to open your mind to what is possible.

[@Ray-jk9gq]

Hell when I was in highschool we carried guns to school I all ways had my 1100 in the gun rack in my pickup today people shoot one another but in my teens we go toe to toe and move on

[@kevinlindsey6862]

Her daddy bought it for her birthday 🎂

[@chesterwilberforce9832]

Switzerland is a model for responsible gun ownership and usage. Shooting clubs are common and popular but as you say, you have to be 18 to own a gun. Switzerland is rated as the most gun-friendly country in the world with some of the most liberal gun laws. And yet in 2019, Switzerland's gun homicide rate was 0.2 per 100,000 people, which is 20 times lower than the United States. In 2022, 11 people were killed by firearms in Switzerland as opposed to 19,000 gun homicides for the US for the same year. We here have lost our minds over firearms. And I'm a Texan and a gun owner (no handguns, no ARs, just hunting rifles and shotguns.)

[@t.a.k.palfrey3882]

"Nothing strange about that. Many parents take their children to the range.....". Sir, this would be very, very strange in just about every country, at least for 99 percent of parents of children under 18. In fact, it would be illegal in about 60 countries.

[@18_rabbit]

Precisely! In societies not in a war, self-defense guns have no part in society and are usually heavily illegal, for good reason! The US has become a militaristic culture that is mania-driven now among the right-wing. These trends need opposition socially and strongly! This has been a dark increasing trend for around the past 15-20 years, as i've seen myself as a caucasian now middle-aged man, who once loved guns and now loathes self-defense guns, which need to be banned en masse, IMHO. I've studied politics, history, economics, psychology, etc, at deep levels.

[@mademsoisellerhapsody]

@@18_rabbit genX

[@mademsoisellerhapsody]

bad parenting, trying to be child’s “friend” instead of Parent.

[@hgfku-tn6hb]

Parents should be held accountable for their children's actions especially this one

[@Random-dndsdfaf]

Chances are she was sexually abused by her pedophile religious teachers.

[@Alluring.Angels69]

I agree that parents play a huge role in shaping their children’s actions, but holding them entirely accountable for something like this seems complicated. How do we define the line between a parent's influence and an individual's personal choices, especially when it comes to teenagers? Should we also question the availability of guns and societal influences? This situation raises so many questions-what do you think the balance of accountability should look like?

[@gradymckinney7306]

They are

[@shade38211]

All parents ? Have u ever thought that about inner cities?

[@u2mister17]

Doctor's prescribing drugs will give us more insight. Want to bet she was taking them?

[@lesilluminations1]

As a father I see no value in teaching my daughter in the use of firearms.

[@derekh1593]

@lesilluminations1 Hopefully, you never regret that decision.

[@Theckonestroh]

Their is value just not at her age. Doesn't make sense unless going hunting and skin animals for food. Self defense could have been hand to hand combat. Self control with a weapon is a huge step for all adults.

[@lesilluminations1]

@Theckonestroh Fair enough.

[@MrTatouA]

Are they going to list her as a terrorist, same way they listed Luigi Magione as a terrorist? i wonder. rip to all those who lost their lives in this

[@MaryAlexander-o2n]

The USA will make any excuses for its citizens, but more so if they are wealthy.

[@MrTatouA]

@MaryAlexander-o2n you took the words out of my mouth. It's just crazy how the charges against Luigi are the same as a terrorist. Yet it was a regular civilian killing another person in broad daylight. We all hear killings/shooting going on in this country but rarely do I hear the prosecutor/media etc.. label someone as a terrorist. Must be nice being ultra rich

[@JonGriebel]

Luigi Magione is going to prison and there's nothing you can do about it.

[@MrTatouA]

@@JonGriebel my guy, we and myself know he is going to prison that's not the point here. The point is that there are countless people who die in your country due to a gun being shot at them by a regular civilian or racist and never will you hear the prosecution or media using the word terrorist act. Read before u answer a post. It's clear as night and day that the guy is going to prison. To pin a murder as a terror act is wild. That is the point

[@aad8sa88as9]

@@JonGriebel Umm... You're Chinese.

[@Yohannesboy]

When this kid was in need of love, she was being trained to use a gun. How hard is to connect the dots.

[@luckyp.714]

So true and actually I don't understand why no one of intelligence in the USA is talking about this. Love and care, exchange and communication with her own family, that and other levels of closeness, emotional support, social interactions, eye contact and interpersonal skills, and listening are necessary to name a few. Where are the journalists who have actually done the real research? The USA has more than enough highly talented people who have studied and researched this. Actually, you do not have to be a rocket scientist to get it. Please throw away all the guns. Ban all guns!!!!! Ban them all for humanity's sake!

[@IsabelCurso]

​@@luckyp.714The firearms industry is literally feeding on your children's lives and nobody does anything. In any other country after the first school shooting people would be out on the streets in fury for as long as it would take to bring about changes in gun laws to save their children's lives. Not in Murica though. Some stupid political stance is more important than your kids' lives. The USA is the biggest 🤡 show on Earth.

[@18_rabbit]

@@luckyp.714 BINGO! i was a gun lover and fan, as an american. Now middle aged, i want self defense guns banned in most locales, unless permits are given for specfic needs, including self defense, but that means vetting, , references and the local LEA's to know for sure that there are no mental health issues in that household. I'ts a no brainer! DUH!

[@jayh1391]

Parents must be fully accountable when their children are expose to guns.

[@zvmZvm0102]

our prisons would be overflowing with black parents then, is that what you want?

[@1ronin907]

And feminists.

[@zax6588]

Did I miss the part where they were referring to the possibility of easy access to guns being a tiny, tiny contributor?🤔

[@seanmccartney5177]

Go get on its easy

[@18_rabbit]

AND the whole gun-culture as a good thing ,etc. Ie. insane!

[@StevenBailey-n6f]

guns have been easy to get for decades, M1 carbines with 30 round mags were easy to get in the 1950s and we didnt have these shootings then.

[@clark2293]

How about the value of life?

[@seanmccartney5177]

@@clark2293 Does that include Abortion..............

[@JOHNNIETO-j9m]

TEACHER'S AND PARENTS DON'T TAKE BULLYING SERIOUSLY

[@mpgroup6421]

they do they encourage it

[@CSIS-Spy]

My daughter has been bullied. I would never allow her access to firearms until she is old enough to be mentally stable after high school. I support the right to bare arms but there should be mental health evaluation in order to obtain one.

[@damham5689]

As I found out when my kids were in school bullies were often treated special as many of the bullies had special needs issues. So the schools almost always let the bullies off easy.

[@karenjacome7117]

As a teacher myself I can tell you that we do take it seriously but when it comes to the parents of the bullies not so.

[@mpgroup6421]

@@CSIS-Spy well they will just keep bullying her let her take a weapon don't have to be a gun a knife or bat would keep them bully's away or you can speak to the teacher which makes things worse

[@pantaloney]

"Guns don't kill people, Tshirts with guns kill people"

[@Hyper_Driven]

The t shirt just stands for the radicalization and planning from past acts to create what she wanted to do. So like the ex-FBI agent said. Premeditated.

[@polydynamix7521]

Toasters don't toast toast, toast toasts toast.

[@Longtack55]

T shirts celebrating or normalising homicide are not a social good. That's free speech in the USA.... lord save us.

[@kolibri4510]

If access to guns was restricted in the US in the same way it is restricted everywhere else in the world, this would stop happening. But such a policy change is not going to occur within your lifetime, so this is guaranteed to keep happening as long as you are alive.

[@LastCommodore]

"all kinds of children across the country are taught firearms by their parents" ... hmm, not mine nor anyone I knew growing up.

[@PetrosArgy]

You probably live in some kind of non-gun bubble. I had NRA training in the 1980s at a YMCA camp. Many kids in my area go hunting as soon as they're old enough to get a hunting license. The high school my son teaches at has a rifle club. It very common for kids to learn to use firearms across the country, just maybe not in cities or some states and usually their first experience will be with a parent.

[@DefundTheFringes]

@@PetrosArgy The problem is too dammed many guns, and liars who nitpick about the AR-15 platform not being a true "assault rifle" despite its obvious military roots. The fact that this girl didn't use an AR-15 is the sort of thing gun nuts latch onto, always seeking some angle to deny offensive ambush/domestic/gang carnage vs. the relatively tiny number of self-defense shootings.

[@eugeniaruggiero5451]

None I know either. We don't have an obsession with guns in my family or any other families I know. I hate guns!!!

[@dylagent1]

So let's blame her shirt, and not the GUN. Let's blame lyrics, not the PARENTS.

[@JonGriebel]

hard to blame the lyrics. they are barely 4th grade reading level.

[@Max_Mustermann]

@@JonGriebel Actually, their lyrics are pretty solid compared to most bands.

[@tommydong8070]

​@@JonGriebel You shouldn't be making fun of KMFDM's lyrics. 😂

[@JonGriebel]

@tommydong8070 i listen to Aesop Rock.

[@carolinemaybe]

Parents have to start being held accountable for their child being able to get their hands on a gun.

[@thecharlesfoley]

I had KMFDM bail out on a show I was providing monitors for because the club had let the Budweiser distributor make posters for the show with their likeness and name on them. That group has a tremendous amount of integrity, and I am frankly disgusted to have their name being drug through the mud because a gun nut happened to wear their shirt. This is shotty reporting and CNN should be embarrassed of this. Rubbish. Shame on you.

[@twistymcslide2]

they're not saying KMFDM in any way promotor or contribute . they are saying others listened to them , and took something from it that is shared among these kids , be it through research or unintentional message form the music. if its a similarity , reporting that doesnt mean its the bands fault . their name isnt being dragged . . .its a point of interest in the study of similarities. which isnt a coincidence.

[@thecharlesfoley]

@ it absolutely is dragging their name through the mud. Watch the report again.

[@lindatrepanier3419]

The band initials loosely translated mean: No pity for the majority. Another reason not to drink Budweiser

[@thecharlesfoley]

@@lindatrepanier3419 they don’t allow promotion of alcohol or drugs. I’m not sure what you are getting at.

[@twistymcslide2]

@@thecharlesfoley post their quotes. timestamps . something to back your argument.

[@anonymousfan1008]

Parents are definitely to blame at least for her mental health problems. They didn’t realize how getting divorced and remarried would affect their daughter. And the fact that they made her change homes every 2-3 days made things worse. They should have let her stay one place and arrange visits with the other.

[@kellycook3914]

Sometimes it's worse when parents stay together and the kids get to experience all the fighting and tension! I was relieved when my parents announced their divorce.

[@reverbscherzo7850]

Yeah, if a custody agreement requires a switch of parents every few days, the parents should be the ones shuffling back and forth. Kids need stability.

[@ri6050]

There are literally hundreds of thousands of people who are divorced and live in these types of arrangements all over the US and the world. Their kids are NOT going to school and shooting people. They parents may be to blame for not locking up their weapons, not teaching her how to regard human life, and not watching over her and taking care of her mental health better...but having guns and letting her have access to them is the bigger problem.

[@IsabelCurso]

​@@ri6050Words mean nothing if a teenager is screwed up. It doesn't matter how many times a parent tells them they must respect human life, if they're emotionally effed up by their parents' levity and irresponsability they won't respect anything because they feel nobody respects them either.

[@Ana-y3u1z]

DIVORCE BULLING ...IS THIS THE POINT.

[@mitchelrowe7363]

And here we are 25 years later and we are still powerless against it!

[@Shadow_Archivist_Forever]

No you're not! Stop the Lies!

[@ditzygypsy]

Yes. It’s so simple but sadly, the terrible, wealthy, powerful people, the actual elites, in your country are never going to care about kids that have been born. Those people represent the very antithesis of the Lord’s law of love and commandments.

[@hans-gerhardelster5045]

The only 'very disturbing detail' is that American parents find it 'normal' to take their children to shooting ranges and 'teach them about firearms'. What a sorry and disgusting interpretation of 'education'.

[@markrichley4075]

When will Americans learn that guns are bad? They’re not good. They’re bad. Bad. Stop people from having them. If you disagree with me, imagine a poor innocent CEO being shot for denying people healthcare to vulnerable people. That would be awful, wouldn’t it!

[@Jimmy_Cavallo]

“Based on NICS background data and manufacturing records, it is estimated that there are 500 million civilian-owned firearms in the U.S.” And how often is this type of thing happening.??

[@MarshalRaelynn]

You first.

[@ri6050]

@@Jimmy_Cavallo what does this mean??

[@taxpayersownd.chotel2403]

@@Jimmy_Cavallo Every freaking day. You only hear about it when it is a multiple shooting and even local news dies out after the nightly newscast as long as tRUMP or his many minions don't do something that catches their eye more...

[@JonGriebel]

Your sarcasm is boring, long winded and nobody even knew what you were talking about. Luigi Mangione is going to prison and over half of the people who liked this comment did it without reading the whole thing.

[@csgarage3682]

America is done Highest technology on the planet...lowest mental health on the planet....its a sad place.

[@judydean399]

Preach it

[@user-fl6ko9do5y]

100% related too.

[@maryrivera4437]

Father should be charged

[@soniaz1487]

Horrible combo of children consuming dangerous online content and feeding their desires for violence with real world gun access.

[@1ronin907]

What kind of pharmaceuticals was she on?

[@1ronin907]

What kind of pharmaceuticals was she on?

[@tomfilipiak3511]

Reality instead of the internet,friend ship,talk over differences,pray!

[@Eliza-dn4sv]

The T-shirt? Not the girl holding the gun smh

[@bootstrappedfriend1752]

The brain is operating the gun. What the brain using the gun thinks, is relevant, yes.

[@wenchanglu4350]

If the gun was from one of her parents, he/she should be prosecuted.

[@SoundsOfTheWild3]

Blaming the band is stupid.

[@deb7518]

"It's the Guns, Stupid!". I see no need for a fifteen yr old to be trained in violence.

[@jlvandat69]

America has more guns per capita than any advanced country. When you combine a troubled teen from a dysfunctional home with access to firearms, you get these headlines. Only question is, "When will America hold the GOP accountable for their history of preventing better gun control laws?"

[@CodieAlford]

I see no need for people that violate the constitution

[@jlvandat69]

America has about 1.6 guns per citizen....extremely high number for an "advanced" nation. Japan has almost no gun-related deaths and strict gun control laws. Do the simple math.....we must educate better. And vote for legislators who support stronger gun control laws.

[@CodieAlford]

@@jlvandat69 good for Japan, you must of missed the part where I said “constitutional” rights this happend in America since you don’t seem to be aware. Guns ain’t going no where

[@jlvandat69]

@@CodieAlford The Constitution allows for Amendments where appropriate. Most normal people realize America has a very serious gun problem, and do not believe that we should allow innocent children, e.g., be to be victims of inadequate laws. Japan and other civil societies protect the innocent via laws, but apparently America has a large number of apathetic, amoral voters who keep choosing Red at the ballot box.

[@TheJamandberries]

Why isn’t the father being held accountable?

[@edl653]

Because they are being investigated now. Evidence of negligence or outright ignoring obvious clues is needed. The same for the mother.

[@stevenhoule1866]

Perhaps the parents should be investigated.

[@pmdiazg]

Patents should be charged.

[@maxdout564]

There is no way her parents didn't notice any warning signs.

[@melanieearly3450]

They obviously let her have a gun

[@arwik5384]

Stop having kids you encourage to use guns without proper parenting.

[@isoid]

I know the manifesto is technically "unverified" evidence, but she did literally talk about the columbine shooters and idolized them (and a lot of others like them) in that document.

[@isoid]

Also, in that document she said she got it from her dad, through "manipulation" and his "stupidity"

[@melanieearly3450]

And she echoed all her maga dads hate for all marginalized ppl

[@matthewlee4697]

I noticed in the manifesto she was a racist too.....kid was a head case

[@user-fl6ko9do5y]

sounds like something a boy would write.

[@isoid]

@@user-fl6ko9do5y Interestingly yeah, it has a lot of parallels to other school shootings committed by male students. I'd mostly chalk it up to her pretty evident mental illness plus being influenced by exclusively male shooters (pretty much guaranteed since almost all shooters end up being male). She seemed to share a lot of the same hatred and anger towards the world that a lot of those shooters also expressed, but it's hard to say how much of it is actually her own thinking and how much is her regurgitating ideologies she got from them. I'd guess more of the latter.

[@zelajocelyn2069]

The t-shirt as reporter said could point to her thinking prior to action...state of mind. Until you all stop having guns readily available to everyone you all will always have senseless killings. This is foolishness. Why you teaching a 15 year old to use a gun.

[@clark2293]

Meanwhile, we just had a presidential candidate basically glorifying the right to take life!

[@pwisc2115]

The picture is clear over and over. While this country’s culture denies how dangerous guns are on humans' hands the rest is just trash anything that you are trying to argue about.

[@crimequeencreates8248]

When my son was murdered, cops took his cd player and all of his cd’s to review at the police station to see what music the kids were listening to the day before he was killed. It isn’t that the music is to blame, but the lyrics of the songs can give law enforcement some insight into the state of mind the shooter was in at the time.

[@definedbyfaith413]

So sorry for the loss of your son

[@iGame3D]

Assuming they know exactly what song out of all the songs was being listened to. I've Had Cop Killer in my collection for 40 years, no dead cop blood on my hands, I've had YMCA in my collection for almost 50 years, but I don't go gay baiting at the local young men's christian club.

[@JonGriebel]

took all of *his* cd's... to see what music *the kds* were listening to. Why would your son's choice of music be related to the choices made by his killers? Why would the killers listen to your son's CD's? Who are "the kids" and why would their choice of music get your son killed?

[@somejoshthing]

First, my condolences, I can't even imagine 😕 I 100% understand where you're coming from with the state of mind thing, and there is something to that. I have a playlist named "i'm dead", guess what frame of mind I was in when I compiled it 😕 I will say though, that it's a crap shoot whether the music I was listening to in the past week would be related to any drastic action I were to take. So it's not necessarily useless information, but authorities should also temper the interpretation with the understanding that sometimes people listen to angry or depressing music cause they like the music, and it's no deeper than that.

[@JonGriebel]

@@somejoshthing Okay I admit I used to do this too. A lot actually but it's been a long time, and now I tend to totally avoid music that evokes sadness or rage. That kind of music is intrusive to me.

[@fredflintstone9274]

Sorry, the take is all wrong. Taking your child to the shooting range is actually itself disturbing and abuse.

[@clark2293]

Not pro-life are you?

[@mitchpalmer5116]

Why is NO one reporting where she got the gun?

[@CodieAlford]

She stole it from her parents obviously, But they cant comprehend the word "stolen" So there trying to put them in jail. Working up some nonsense case, ya kno all that good stuff. The less the public knows the better until due time. Makes it easier to push the agenda. But anyone with two brain cells can clearly see whats going on. Just gone end like it always does, with nothing happening to gun owners, an two innocent people in jail bout it. One day they will quit putting them jail hopefully, i dont know who's bright idea that was...But its absolutely stupid. Hopfully the other parents have some sense, an can see there is no real way to win in this situation. Some times you just gotta let things go

[@kevinskiles2033]

​@@CodieAlford If she was able to steal the gun, it means it wasn't stored properly. That's the parent's responsibility.

[@findlisa5]

@@kevinskiles2033 Exactly right, Kevin. Codie had it wrong to use the verb "steal". Exactly as you said, children can't "steal" a properly secured gun and then use it to commit crimes like those in this case. For example, if the gun was locked in a gun case or in a gun room, then Natalie couldn't have accessed it directly. Furthermore, if the gun was emptied of ammunition and secured with gun lock, then Natalie couldn't have loaded it or used it, even if she could steal and touch it. Basically, all this stuff almost guarantees that Jeff Rupnow is going to eventually be charged with providing gun access to Natalie. The only ways that won't be true are: (1) Natalie obtained the 9mm handgun used in this shooting from someone besides Jeff Rupnow (which seems HIGHLY unlikely), or (2) Dane County prosecutors fail to do their jobs by failing to charge Jeff Rupnow for somehow providing access to that gun even though that is their responsibility (and I hope that is unlikely because they take their jobs seriously and have respect for the laws of Wisconsin).

[@Adam-q3d6z]

you cant blame the band yall.

[@hypnophonz]

I have not yet watched a news video that blamed a band. I watched a video that suggests music effects behavior.

[@ditzygypsy]

They aren’t. The band was glorified (and also terribly misunderstood) by the Columbine kids and all wannabe school shooters glorify and idolize and want to copy the Columbine shooters. That’s what they are saying.

[@DonaldT-s5f]

It should be outlawed that minors be able to handle guns,its time to make it a federal crime for anyone under the age of 21 handle firearms,her parents should face federal firearms charges,how did she get the gun,did her father and mother allow her to have this gun? If so,they need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of federal law.

[@Rumpelstiltskin-s8e]

KMFDM is a wonderful band. Music didn’t play a part in this.

[@jasonswitzer1748]

Aren’t they kind of like Nine finch Nails? Meh… it’s lame to assume music pushes people to commit acts of mass violence.

[@oddlybtw]

these ppl are just dumb as hell and reaching for content

[@isoid]

@@jasonswitzer1748 Music is art, and people can interpret things in art which weren't intended. It's not the fault of the music producer when someone with a messed up mind interprets messed up things

[@Rumpelstiltskin-s8e]

I bet it was the song Anarchy. I use to play WW3 in Iraq lol

[@8KZxNiGhtMaReHD8]

@@Rumpelstiltskin-s8e That's not the point they were making... the point is that it's the same shirt the columbine shooter wore. Could have been a Telle tubbies shirt and they would have referenced it.

[@Dax893]

Gosh, maybe she listened to the Boomtown Rats once or twice in her life, too. I blame Geldof.

[@MultiPetercool]

She didn’t like Mondays?

[@Shining237]

Again ... no real solutions in preventing it from happening again

[@thesummerland6165]

every excuse in the book except the elephant in the room, the guns UK, new zealand, australia , norway, all ended mass shootings after just ONE

[@jerrellmartin9715]

People want to blame guns and gun laws. How about putting blame on parents?

[@MarkFuriniArt]

KMFDM didn't do it.

[@tygressblade]

Focusing on the wrong stuff. Has anyone looked at her actual past? Has she been assaulted? This silliness isn’t relevent to motive. It is disingenuous.

[@JonGriebel]

"Has she been assaulted?"- wait if you're assaulted you can shoot people? I was assaulted.

[@tnijoo5109]

Why are there so many comments from people acting as if anyone is blaming music or the t-shirt? Isn’t it obvious that we all want to understand where a kid was at mentally to do something like this? The tshirt helps us understand a lot. No one is saying it’s more important than how she got a gun.

[@Youvegotredonyou-BeckyChase]

So could you tell my state of mind by a band t-shirt I wear? I highly doubt it. We comment on it because they blame bands and music all the time! She wasn't even alive when Columbine happened? You don't even know she knows anything about it! Maybe she just likes the band!

[@eldenringer6466]

Is it true that the teacher she killed sexually assaulting HER? Abuse and bullying sadly are all too common in religious schools and churches.

[@isoid]

I've been following the story for a while & read the manifesto which she allegedly wrote, she didn't mention that and I haven't seen any evidence of it She did say that she was bullied but she focused most of her hatred towards her family and society in general, seems like she definitely was a bit of a social outcast (at least from her own, probably very warped perspective)

[@tbe0116]

Statistically, SA is more common in public school than churches. It’s just covered less by the news.

[@crimequeencreates8248]

I have been following this case since it happened. I have not heard anything about her being assaulted by a teacher.

[@ernestclary6035]

I wondered if that could be the case but nothing suggests it was. Just another kid with access to a gun and the knowledge to use it.

[@user-fl6ko9do5y]

Everywhere, not just a religious. Predator's like Kids- anywhere.

[@teleopinions1367]

It seems oxymoronic to have a child in a christian school when you have been married and divorced multiple times. Some people should voluntarily abstain from reproducing. But, it is easier to say after the fact because many times we adults don't realize our shortcomings. Some people don't even have the time to look inwards bc they're caught up in all sorts of drama and have very busy lives, so children are just another "thing' they have to deal with.

[@MythsScamsLies]

Imagine that taking your kids to a shooting range is normal in America. Absolutely unheard of elsewhere in the developed parts of the planet. Where did she get the gun, when is the person who allowed her access to the gun going to be charged with murder?

[@1247.cccccc]

Pretty popular in Poland.

[@MythsScamsLies]

@1247.cccccc How do you know what's popular in Poland? Have you ever actually been there? There are 125 guns in the US for every 100 people living there. That's more guns per capita than the next 25 countries added together. Even a completely failed state like Yemen only has 50 guns for every 100 people. Any discussion of normalizing the gun mess in America is simply ridiculous. Your stupidity is showing.

[@joneal8360]

He father should be charged. I can't figure out teens now. However, I need to start looking at parents raising this generation.

[@amandareynolds2781]

taking a child as young as 15 to a gun range .. I hope the father is getting held accountable

[@flugsven]

I don't think McCabe blame the t-shirt, but rather it was a possible missed warning sign.

[@Unscripted40]

Why do parents they take their children to the shooting range ? Why even teach them about guns, I don't own gun i never discuss revenge things with my kids, I teach them to fear God, respect others and just focus on education .

[@Emolga6274]

Republicans give their kids guns

[@justsaying9443]

@@Emolga6274 so no members of the other political cult do? Yea sure.

[@katelynfe]

God doesnt exist. Its an illusion

[@MrDavidljr29]

Im an outdoor sportsman and a veteran. I love and respect guns. I want to pass that on to my children thats why. Kids dont learn about guns to harm others. I listened to kmfdm. I never thought about taking a gun to school.

[@ditzygypsy]

@@katelynfeThat isn’t helpful, necessary to say or kind.

[@IsabelCurso]

When adults become so selfish that behave like spoiled brats and treat marriage with levity, like something easily discardable, society starts to crumble and children are the ones that suffer the most.

[@luzuli4369]

Quality of news is shockingly bad.

[@gracenmercy1085]

Her father needs to be arrested...SMH

[@QQIQ24170]

You’re talking about a band from the late 80s and 90s instead of the drugs psychotropic drugs that she was probably on just like every other school shooter so is it the music or is it the drugs that they’re giving to these young children that’s destroying their mind

[@Dee10044NY]

Parents should have been more diligent and looked at the signs.

[@LilDi2024]

Rich families probably thought their kids were safe in a private school.

[@tanyasmith5883]

I saw a video of one mom in pajamas, so I don’t think this school was just for wealthy parents.

[@LilDi2024]

@tanyasmith5883 lol. So what do wealthy people sleep in?

[@tanyasmith5883]

@, they sleep in pajamas, but they normally don’t go out in public to run errands in them.

[@JoseLopez-yc4qg]

again i get the protection argument that many have for the right to bear arms but when you go nuts who is going to protect people from you? these people now have to deal with WHAT A GUN REALLY DOES. ITS AFTERMATH families are torn and those who survive will suffer tremendous pain as they go through the healing process yet physiologically, they may never heal . THERE IS THIS MASSIVE LOVE AFFAIR WITH GUNS AND ALSO MASSIVE TRADGEDIES

[@bpslick4565]

If you don't protect yourself, why live? You must be a real POS not to love kids enough to protect them.

[@VivianYerton]

The band has nothing to do with that school shooting. If thats the judgement then every band they ever listen to is a cause as well. Over reach to join the two events

[@iGame3D]

It's the T-shirt, not the band. It Columbine shooter was wearing Sponge Bob, and this girl was wearing Sponge Bob, then that's the connection.

[@kevinlindsey6862]

Good thing she never played helter skelter by the Beatles 😊

[@Iosthought]

What they did to the parents house is awful, totally unnecessary! There was no active threat in the home yet they ripped the door off damaging the wall next to it as well and broke out the windows with flash bangs. Ridiculous. If they were being cooperative, they likely told them they could search. So why did they destroy their house?

[@timothyfreeseha4056]

Bullying? I think the story here beyond the obvious horrific murder/ suicide, is that this was a young woman in a religious school, which i think is very similar to the shooting in Tennessee . If the father did keep their guns locked up and she found a way to get the gun, it isnt likely he would be held responsible. Ethan Crumblys case was different as he had unfettered access.

[@ruthfelizzatto2304]

Lock him up he knew what she was up to, these parents enable their kids, now innocent people are dead because of parents negligence

[@annareismith6843]

It is silly, a song is said to be responsible for a child actions. I listen to KMFDM when I was younger and I never did this.

[@bootstrappedfriend1752]

The song isn't responsible. Nobody said that. Try listening again, until you get it.

[@GMSTP]

Your reporting is lame...therapy...depression... parentals ... a girl who can shoot... a tshirt... you got a big bully you all ignored ...

[@smellania]

columbine was inspired by charles whitman's insanity.

[@CodieAlford]

I mean honestly in situations like this i dont think the parents should be charged. But when you force your child to keep attending a brainwashing convention then they snap. I kinda have no pitty for you....I can almost gurantee she tried talking to somebody but nobody would listen..."Oh you just need more jesus" Yup worked out good for you huh?

[@joyceeasmon636]

What has the t-shirt got to do with this tragedy? It's the gun and her access to the firearms that's the cause, isn't it?

[@AmosBunny]

The T-Shirt makes a statement. The band's lyrics all make a statement. It's an ideology that was planted in her brain. I would guess racism plays a role, but what do i know.

[@shiitakehappens6194]

What is this, the Satanic Panic? Stop discussing musical acts and focus on WHY guns and mental health are problematic

[@alltradesjack502]

They'll literally blame anything but the common denominator

[@ayanolsson]

This happens when you legalise to carry guns

[@justininvestor]

keep electing Reublicans who refuse to acknowledge the gun culture needs to be adressed in a very meaningful way then nothing will ever change.

[@JonGriebel]

Blaming Republicans alone is lazy and ignores the complexity of the issue. Gun culture won't change through partisan finger-pointing-solutions require accountability from everyone, not just your political scapegoats.

[@cherylboucher4491]

​@@JonGriebel The GOP blocks any meaningful gun reform, so it is absolutely appropriate to bring that up. It's fact.

[@JonGriebel]

@cherylboucher4491 No gun reform has ever solved gun violence. Nice try.

[@JonGriebel]

Since the Parkland shooting in February 2018, the March for Our Lives movement and related advocacy efforts have raised approximately $33.1 million, including $13.6 million through the March for Our Lives Foundation and $19.5 million through its Action Fund. These funds have been used to support gun control advocacy, educational campaigns, and lobbying efforts. Key legislative successes directly credited to the group include the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School Public Safety Act in Florida (2018), which raised the firearm purchase age to 21, implemented red flag laws, and banned bump stocks; the Bipartisan Safer Communities Act (2022), a landmark federal law strengthening background checks and expanding funding for mental health resources; and various state-level red flag laws in states like Colorado and New York. This period has also seen the passage of over 250 gun safety laws at the state level, influenced by March for Our Lives and similar groups. Despite these efforts, since the Parkland tragedy, the United States has witnessed an alarming increase in mass shootings, with estimates exceeding 2,000 incidents as defined by the Gun Violence Archive (four or more victims injured or killed). Mass shootings remain a pervasive issue, underscoring the complex and ongoing challenges related to gun violence in the U.S. The laws you're using to judge Republicans never worked in the first place, it just gave the illusion that Democrats were doing something.

[@sherryweems8579]

The killers parents should be arrested for giving her access to the firearm. Parents are responsible for their own children and their actions,PEROID!

[@erpulst]

I'm sure they're big time Trumpers.

[@TaytesHugeCaulk]

No question at all. Of course they are.

[@joeydiablo5657]

More like illegal alien Dems. Be honest buddy

[@joeydiablo5657]

​@@TaytesHugeCaulkMore like illegal alien Dems. Be honest buddy

[@j.f.6072]

No, you can't be "sure" when you don't know and to say otherwise is misinformation.

[@Themanisred]

Are you going to blame every violent crime on trump from now on out? It's getting redundant.

[@inhha]

The band, Kein Mehrheit Für Die Mitleid, has existed for four decades and sold millions of records, so it would be weird if none of the thousands of shooters or their parents liked the theatrical metal aesthetics of that performance art project. They had nothing to do with the first massacre and I find it impossible to believe they are filled with glee in this case. Murderous monsters are more likely to listen to Parton or Bublé than 80s industrial rock, but I've yet to hear concerned reporters pondering if Dolly's tunes lead to violence.

[@Honest-liars]

The parents are accountable for actions and should be considered in court

[@michaelrowley-o5m]

The father seems to be the problem…..allowing her to wear that shirt….but the question is not the motive…..it’s how she got access to the gun?

[@gregdahlen4375]

father probs didn't know the association of the shirt to columbine?

[@michaelrowley-o5m]

@ your probably right….but I would be curious if my daughter wore a shirt with a strange unusual logo like that….not the average logo found on teenagers shirts…..but…maybe he wasn’t the curious type….

[@thomasdaugherty6671]

1 thing like a t shirt is speculative at best in hindsight

[@gangaskan2255]

grasping for things mostly.

[@dabsafe]

Blame the other factors: accessibility of firearms, bad parenting and religious schooling

[@isoid]

As it turns out it was connected, but that's not the kind of thing you could make a judgement about beforehand. Maybe if someone directly asked her about the band but unless she straight up admitted to idolizing the columbine shooters it's pretty unlikely anyone would've been able to know that she was going to do this.

[@TinnyDee]

​blame the core issue...social and cultural sickness called liberalism/ wokeism/ marxism. It's ideology.

[@dadozygaming]

Some people think they know everything about you based on a red hat. If she was wearing a red hat, I guarantee you someone would blame the hat.

[@smitty5890]

This is very sad, but its just crazy the amount of school shooting that have happened in recent years. And still no one wants to change the gun laws. If it is found out it was the parents gun, they should prosecuted to the ful extent of the law.

[@jamiebancroft706]

the tee doesn't say Marylin Manson. I thought he was the musician everyone was blaming at Columbine?

[@mr.chuckleteeth4382]

MM was one of the artist who got attention from the Columbine shooting but other industrial metal bands also got lumped in there, specifically KMFDM they have a song called Stray Bullet that appeared popular among the killers.

[@blessingokocha5264]

I guess there is a total lack of understanding regarding how some of these music affect the subconscious of an individual, some music is demonic and you see evidence in the way that their listeners act. It’s the energy, it’s spiritual.

[@LokiDaFerret]

Gimme a break. Her tshirt is irrelevant. Are all people with this shirt mass-shooters? Of course not. Is there any mass shooter that doesn't have this shirt? Of course. So the tshirt tells us nothing.

[@landonthesavage21]

It’s the people, not the guns Imagine saying my pen misspelled a word not me. We should get rid of all pens so misspelling can be gone. You see how you can start pointing the finger at pencils and then even paper? We need to raise these kids better, parenting (or the lack of) is usually the main problem when it comes to these situations

[@zvmZvm0102]

it's the people, culture changes and we've come to accept absent parents and broken homes. guns haven't changed much, if anything there's more restrictions on guns than decades ago

[@Daisy37389]

The Columbine massacre was a tragedy and there is no doubt possible shooters research Columbine. The thing is if our government isn’t going to make access to guns safer (yes the problem is the gun) then the next best thing is to restrict information about Columbine to the younger generation. I’m not saying we should forget I’m saying if there is a common factor with all these shooters which is (other than access to a gun) it’s information on Columbine, the parents are also a problem if they can’t even secure a gun from their children.

[@FirozKazmi-v5p]

Hmm. The moderator keeps deleting my posts🙂. Why?? Because I pointed out to the root cause of mass shootings which are guns. Good going admin.

[@toddfischer9966]

People are the threat. Look at Europe? It is trucks and knives over there. Guns are not driving the trucks with ill will and hate....