VERY Steep Slip - Piper J5 Cub

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@jasonnemeroff3353 3 ай бұрын

Please practice this with a flight instructor at a safe altitude before ever trying it on landing. It would be a bad idea to do a very steep, very slow slip in an airplane without being extremely comfortable with that plane's slip, slow flight, and stall characteristics. Most planes are not as forgiving as a cub. I demo lots of types of stalls and spins in my biplane here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/g6jRdnujg5meq5Y

@SoloRenegade 3 ай бұрын

yes.....teach pilots to fear a basic maneuver all pilots are required to be able to perform to get a license....

@christoole1664 3 ай бұрын

And keep that nose DOWN. Otherwise you get into a cross control stall and unrecoverable at that altitude.

@SoloRenegade 3 ай бұрын

@@christoole1664 that attitude leads to pilots dumping the nose during a slip and gaining excessive airspeed. they need to learn pitch attitudes (airspeeds) using the nose and windscreen in relation to the horizon, and maintain their pitch (airspeed) through the maneuver. Due to position error, the pitot tube will no longer be aligned with the path of flight during the maneuver, and for this reason it can read artificially low. Need to know and trust the pitch attitude instead.

@christoole1664 3 ай бұрын

@@SoloRenegade if you perform a forward slip and raise the nose instead of lowering it you risk a cross control stall. The whole purpose of a forward slip is to lose altitude without gaining airspeed. Here's part of an article I found that describes it in more detail: "To lose altitude quickly you need a forward slip. To induce an effective forward slip, the pilot needs to drop one wing and apply a large amount of opposite rudder. Remember to keep the nose well below the horizon during the slip. Since you now have crossed controls, the last thing you want is a stall at low altitude. In addition, the airspeed indicator may be inaccurate as it is not traveling parallel to the direction of flight. Another reason to keep that nose down and maintain an extra airspeed margin is that you have a higher descent rate than normal and it will take some energy, as in extra airspeed, to fix that before touchdown."

@SoloRenegade 3 ай бұрын

@@christoole1664 "if you perform a forward slip and raise the nose instead of lowering it you risk a cross control stall." nice dishonest cherry pick.... Since I never said that, maybe you should instead stick to what I DID say. "The whole purpose of a forward slip is to lose altitude without gaining airspeed." Really? I had no idea. So why the hell would you advocate pitching the nose up? Why not simply HOLD your pitch attitude constant, as I suggested. " Remember to keep the nose well below the horizon during the slip." this tells me you don't understand flying if you took this to mean "dump the nose". In a descent or glide, your nose is already below teh horizon. And unless you're climbing or doing aerobatics, the nose is ALWAYS below the horizon. "Another reason to keep that nose down and maintain an extra airspeed margin is that you have a higher descent rate than normal and it will take some energy, as in extra airspeed, to fix that before touchdown." this is false. when the slip ends, the aircraft returns to its original flight condition. Same airspeed on exit as on entry. but you control this airspeed through pitch attitude. Nothing you said changes anything I said, but it was totally dishonest and you blatantly tried to put words in my mouth and change the ENTIRE set of conditions to something childishly stupid. Who the hell says to pitch the nose up in a slip?

@emilydeke 3 ай бұрын

How much fun this is - you can't explain to someone who hasn't done it.

@jasonnemeroff3353 3 ай бұрын

The only way is to show them! I don't think I'll ever get tired of it.

@dogwoodservicesinc.2972 3 ай бұрын

Oh yeah. And great video too. Always wanted to fly a Cub. Never flew tail draggers.

@2pugman 3 ай бұрын

The first time my instructor did this, I almost chit myself ! Same Cub.

@waynecarwile7486 3 ай бұрын

I soloed J5 N41239 on grass strip in 1969 in Athens, Al. Much fun, doing slips, stalls, crosswinds, etc. Great memories!

@craigwalters 3 ай бұрын

@@2pugman I had the exact same feeling when I instructor did it. But I think it was probably a different Cub ;-)

@Doc.Holiday 3 ай бұрын

I’m an old grounded cub pilot. Thank you for allowing me to relive good times… and well done!

@bruce2357 3 ай бұрын

Right on glide slope for the Space Shuttle.

@NeedtoSpeak 3 ай бұрын

Absolutely.

@billm6819 3 ай бұрын

My CFI taught me this in a Warrior. My home airport was kind of short, and you didn’t have a lot of room for error. I just accepted it as part of my options: too low, pour on the coal; too high, slip her in! Great fun.

@jimpinkowski3394 2 ай бұрын

Looks like FULL right rudder and ailerons as appropriate - nice!!!

@jbj27406 3 ай бұрын

Well done, young man. Thanks for doing the math on the angle of descent. I knew it was up there pretty high. I bet it felt nearly like a vertical landing. Nice touch on the throttle.

@PN_48 3 ай бұрын

My instructor used to have me do this in a 152.. love those approaches👍

@MrWave58 3 ай бұрын

Very good instructor!

@barryb83110 3 ай бұрын

I had a 1941 J-5 in the early 1980's and took it cross country. Old WWII pilots came out of the hangars to regal me with stories and begged to prop start it for me when I had to leave. Those guys actually got misty eyed about their days of learning to fly in a 1941 J-5.

@TireSlayer55 3 ай бұрын

I mean I would too, great little planes

@DavZZee 3 ай бұрын

That was a great slip. I love to slip my Maule. Also very good advice in the video description about performing this maneuver. Keep that nose down and don’t get too slow. You have to “feel “ the airspeed because the airspeed indicator will not read correctly in a slip.

@jasonnemeroff3353 3 ай бұрын

Thank you! I definitely agree about feeling the speed. I've spent a lot of time instructing in this plane from the back seat. I'm a small guy and can't see the instruments from back there. Learning to feel the speed and coordination felt like learning the force!

@arcanondrum6543 3 ай бұрын

Also; watch the sink rate. The Cub also is forgiving in that airspeed can quickly convert to lift because the aircraft is so light. Terminating the slip with a little altitude restores the lift and reduces the sink rate.... That doesn't happen as quickly with lower lift to weight aircraft.

@portnuefflyer 3 ай бұрын

I like to use what I call The Superman approach to my home farm strip, come in way high, then start about a 17-1800 FPM descent rate, engine at idle, with an air speed in the 40's, so quiet even my dog doesn't hear me come in! RANS S-7S/Rotax.

@ralphhallett1684 3 ай бұрын

@@portnuefflyer ditto! Just so happens I too fly a Rans S7, great little slipper…

@robertrussell743 2 ай бұрын

I grew up in a Piper Cub J5 and that is how one does it. I rather prefer slipping over the use of flaps. The pilot can increase or decrease the slip as he/she pleases during the final approach to landing. I'd like to see some more of your J5 videos to bring back old memories.

@LWJCarroll 3 ай бұрын

Thanks! Great reminder of Fun doing this in the Piper Tomahawk from memory. Laurie NZ. 😊

@lucaas 3 ай бұрын

Nicely done! Would you be okay with me featuring this landing in my series Weekly Dose of Aviation? Of course you will be credited both in the video and in the description. Thanks!

@jasonnemeroff3353 3 ай бұрын

Please do! I'm always happy to share. I also have some videos doing aerobatics in my miniature biplane on my channel. Let me know if you would like me to send files. As long as people know not to attempt without the proper training and there's a link back to the original video.

@robertshaver4432 3 ай бұрын

Everybody should be well versed in sideslip. Engine out... be high... if field all of a sudden shows a ditch, fence or other then you've one more option. Very nicely done!

@jasonnemeroff3353 3 ай бұрын

Thanks! I absolutely agree. In cubs and especially my biplane I always shoot for a slightly high, power-off approach with a slip if needed. I'm sure one day that skill will help me out big time.

@cadenza3210 3 ай бұрын

@@jasonnemeroff3353 I flew gliders and this maneuver is a standard thing in your bag of tricks. Always better to come in a little high in a glider because you only get one chance. The other half of that though is not to chicken out and flare too high because it is possible to float the entire length of the runway.

@ldmax 3 ай бұрын

This is a forward slip. A side slip is used to compensate for a crosswind.

@robertshaver4432 3 ай бұрын

@@ldmax Same control inputs, differing usage via differing positioning, It's really just 2 applications of the same thing at opposite ends of their effective spectrums. Technically you are correct though. I stand corrected! Robert

@ldmax 3 ай бұрын

@@robertshaver4432 Yes, it's basically the same skill set for both. Good to have in your bag of tricks.

@marcelochinajr.9325 3 ай бұрын

Nicely done!

@jimhammer2012 3 ай бұрын

Def add flaps. What a daring landing!

@johngeurin8472 3 ай бұрын

I used to love nice forward slips in our PA-12. Tower complimented me once.

@flightmode254 10 күн бұрын

Absolutely breathtaking capture! May I have your permission to feature this in my upcoming project? I'll be sure to credit your video with a link. Thank you!

@deepsixman 3 ай бұрын

I think you're right about slipping the other way, but still looked fun. I'm in the no flap club too with a Luscombe, and I love the slip. Also, it freaks people out when they watch.

@robinr.2233 3 ай бұрын

Slips are great fun and a really handy tool.

@brianmorg 3 ай бұрын

I remember doing slip landings on short finals with my Dad in his Cessna 182. Not this steep but still fun!

@andrewmaclean9810 3 ай бұрын

Fuck me. Im still struggling to put it down in calm conditions, this is just mind-blowing. I'll get there but god damn learning to fly is one hell of an undertaking

@renefeijen5916 3 ай бұрын

I am a microlight student, started solo training. Recent at home airport (EHST little grass strip uncontrolled) circuit training in the C42 I did exactly what you did. Instructor let me do it but afterwards strongly advized against steep forward slip unless really needed. Because of possible incorrect IAS reading due to position of the static port. And thus the risk of stalling while low altitude especially when winds are gusting. Advice was: if too high for landing: dont do forward slip but go around. I can imagine that in some mountain airports that is not a possibility. But the Netherlands is very flat. Apart from that : with flaps 2 the C42 can descend steep anyway with just nose pointing forward. (Forward slipping feels nice though). At another airport (EHHO) I saw an old warbird sideslipping, he was not high and did not seem fast, but I guess it is easier with a taildragger and high pitched nose to see the runway that way?

@chucklemasters6433 2 ай бұрын

s steep forward slip is what you want if you think you need a dial to show you your airspeed. if you have enough time in an aircraft to be doing slips your pitch attitude and the horizon should be the ONLY airspeed indicator you need. if the nose is low you are not in danger of stalling. that is only an issue if the nose is high thus causing low airspeed near the stall speed. every instrument in the airplane other than the attitude indicator is a history gage and not reliable for pitch/ airspeed information. if your CFI has not covered the instruments while you are flying, including touch and goes then you need to find another one. the only real time information you can get to fly an airplane is the nose in relation to the horizon or the attitude indicator which should only be relied on for pitching the airplane to Vy until you can do that from looking outside at the horizon.

@tsbrownie 3 ай бұрын

That's not a steep slip. I can still see sky out the window and the passenger's not screaming!😅

@tommino8970 3 ай бұрын

I learned it on the glider, wing under wind, opposite rudder. Because of angle and turbulence the instruments are not showing right values, especially IAS, so you need to feel it, thus training. And because of glider, you cannot go around 🙂

@3MinutesofAviation 3 ай бұрын

Fantastic stuff! May I feature this landing in one of my next episodes? Of course with a link back to your original video. All the best to you :)

@jasonnemeroff3353 3 ай бұрын

@3MinutesofAviation 3 ай бұрын

@@jasonnemeroff3353 Awesome, thanks! I'll be glad to also have a look at the other videos on your channel.

@12345fowler 3 ай бұрын

I used to do at least double the amount of that slip in the Bücker Jungmann so I assume I would have needed another adjective like "extreme slip" maybe ? In fact this is no big deal, just push the rudder all the way on one side and compensate with the ailerons so that you track straight, pull the elevavor a bit to seat the aircraft nicely and go down like in a elevator :-)

@RV4aviator 3 ай бұрын

Man o man I have slipped into wind frequently to trade height for airspeed , but NEVER as much as this...! I will CUB one day...! Cheers guys...! Wonderful.

@maebnus46 3 ай бұрын

Beautiful slip. I have done slips landing my RC glider numerous times during spot landing contests, safer than overshoot landing spot or stick nose in and likely break something. Done same with RC power plane, works same as full size except you won't injure yourself if you really screw up ! Bruce W

@fly-pedro 3 ай бұрын

💪🏼 I learned flying on a Piper J3 Cub, we had to practice this every flight, but always wing down into wind 😉 Great video!

@chucklemasters6433 2 ай бұрын

you are referring to side slips for xwind landing NOT forward slip. do you know the difference?

@ChollaJJ 16 күн бұрын

Well done…..yes, feels good too, I was a backseat passenger in a Citabria first time ….. saved a go around.

@fly1327 3 ай бұрын

I slipped A LOT with gliders, but wasn't stressed at all getting SEL. Then tailwheel endorsement in a Citabria, slipping is everything. So much more glidepath control and so fun!

@bardmadsen6956 3 ай бұрын

I had a friend that showed up at the airport once in awhile, he had a brand new Piper Tomahawk, one time we did aerobatics at night and afterwards he did this amazing slip from thousands of feet up ~90 degrees from the runway, even switching sides, incredible! All the while I knew that there are somethings not recommended with the design.

@planeswithperry 3 ай бұрын

The Tomahawk slips just fine. I wouldn't worry about it with the design if you get another chance to fly in one. I slip in my Tomahawk often!

@bardmadsen6956 3 ай бұрын

@@planeswithperry So, what was it that isn't recommended, spins? It was 46 years ago, I don't recall. I just vividly recall the stars and ground lights almost looking the same from the maneuvers. Back then, still in high school, I was just about to buy a J-3 and my whole family got wiped out. A couple of years ago I tried again with a ground looped 170 and the guy started getting weird when I asked him the status of overhauls, .01", .02", 03"? Then I looked into the rules right when the new transponders went into effect, seems like one has to file a flight plan for every inch of the way now-days and radioed for any deviation, guess I'm stuck in old school, in short, reminds me of the ZZ Top song where the girl breaks your heart and eats all the love out.

@planeswithperry 3 ай бұрын

@bardmadsen6956 the controversy is over spins. Spins in a Tomahawk require proper inputs to break out of a spin....otherwise it will have a tendency to stay in a spin. They aren't prohibited and flights schools around the world are still spinning them. I guess it depends on your comfort level with the maneuver.

@andinageli8577 3 ай бұрын

Thats how we learned to land our "Röhnlerche" glider in 1976. In a glider you better be quite high in the final, so with the the old glider not having these effective air breaks, you need to be able to sideslip.

@mcorvin9029 3 ай бұрын

for me it was in 2-22, 2-33, then K7 Rhönadler… our great instructors insisted we practice with & without speedbrakes!

@andinageli8577 3 ай бұрын

k4 Rhönlerche you always had to apply breaks first and then start sideglide. My instructor showed me, hot it react when you first started sideglide and then applied brakes. This made the nose droping unexpectedly strong. The effect became known in Switzerland after a deadly accident due to that. Knowing it it was no probleme and we did it twice just to have the experience.

@mcorvin9029 3 ай бұрын

@@andinageli8577 Didnt know that k4 history! In the K7 and K8 i remember the brakes were actually quite effective and easy to modulate. The Schweizers were fun to slip because they’re like barn doors & you can get pretty wild descent rates. Ahhh good times, long ago with Bluenose Soaring in Nova Scotia.

@lawrencemartin1113 3 ай бұрын

Insane! Well done, but stay safe out there....

@BoomVang Ай бұрын

I like this, but for clarity it should be called forward slip because there are other kinds of slip.

@bladi-senpai9398 3 ай бұрын

Im amazed of tge flight characteristics of that plane, because that was going like 10 above the stall speed. Pretty sure if I tried that gonna end up in a low altitude spin 😃

@parrotraiser6541 3 ай бұрын

A skill every pilot should possess(after proper training, of course).

@jimbo2487 3 ай бұрын

Outstanding landing

@neiljohnson6815 2 ай бұрын

Good job. I've done a similarly steep slip on landing in a sailplane.

@davidedmundson8402 3 ай бұрын

I recommend having the spoiler STC installed.

@MrFlintlock7 3 ай бұрын

I always felt like I had more control slipping than using flaps.

@MrWave58 3 ай бұрын

Well done, Jason! This was my "standard" approach with the HK36R. Full airbreaks, full slip= vario -3000ft/min.

@UncleKennysPlace 3 ай бұрын

I've used the _Express Elevator_ technique hundreds of times in my Skyhawk. It's quite a bit of fun.

@jtrusl 3 ай бұрын

Love slipping my T Craft. Turn that wide wing sideways and it drops like a very controlled rock at about 40mph or less. Quickly straightened out at the bottom and back to flying.

@JimMelcher 2 ай бұрын

I didn’t fly many hours after getting my license, but this was the part of flying I miss the most.

@crazypilot4017 3 ай бұрын

Ahh I love doing these, they are so fun! 😎

@JustAircrafts 3 ай бұрын

Excellent video, Bro! Can i use it as part of my video for my channel? You will be credited in the video. and you get a backlink to your original video in my description.thanks

@JetBlake-sv3gs 3 ай бұрын

Nice job. Windy day

@psjasker 3 ай бұрын

I think the fron seater is pondering deeply the difference between a “steep slip” and a “fiery crash”😂

@DoogieFresh 3 ай бұрын

That's wild! lol. I would do it in MSFS2020, but in real life it's a go around for me! Very skilled landing.

@jasonnemeroff3353 3 ай бұрын

Thanks! If I were with a student, definitely a go around for me too. No need to force it! But every once in a while when I'm flying for fun, I like to see what she can do 😉

@dougcrane956 3 ай бұрын

A slip to landing is part of your training, for the rating. Tailwheels are easier to manage than tricycle gear. You can lose altitude faster, for more options should you have an emergency. I absolutely love tailwheels !

@johnd9031 3 ай бұрын

Nice landing

@neilhiggins350 3 ай бұрын

Just like Commander Bigglesworth!

@petesmith9472 3 ай бұрын

It is surprising how aircraft of all types can depart from a standard approach and rapidly lose altitude…. They are great exercises

@rgx-aviation 3 ай бұрын

Stunning footage ! Do you mind if I use this clip in one of my videos ? Of course , link will be given to your original video in the description.

@jasonnemeroff3353 3 ай бұрын

@rgx-aviation 3 ай бұрын

@@jasonnemeroff3353 Aerobatics ?? Pls do send the files if you approve

@ManNomad 3 ай бұрын

Well done!

@jstephenallington8431 3 ай бұрын

Congratulations on not groundlooping it! Not really a landing that I would like to try, but you got to take what you can get!

@onmyworkbench7000 25 күн бұрын

I would love to see a view of that from the ground.

@Twobarpsi 3 ай бұрын

That was awesome!

@evanscm3 14 күн бұрын

Slippin an Arrow or an Archer just isn't the same as this! Nice job

@flyshacker 3 ай бұрын

Beautiful !! 👍

@joewarren3608 3 ай бұрын

Great job!!

@jeffb9586 3 ай бұрын

Wing Down Top Rudder!

@shawncarlton6207 3 ай бұрын

I used to love slipping in while flying a J-3. Who needs flaps?

@thomasgeare6770 2 ай бұрын

Nice slip! A little late on getting the engine back up but, well done!

@kirkglundal4289 3 ай бұрын

It's almost like coming in on knife edge! Haha! Just kidding. How much rudder and aileron deflection were you holding? Approximately...

@jasonnemeroff3353 3 ай бұрын

as much as I could find

@herryrachmad333 3 ай бұрын

amazing skill, Crab landing

@rosecoloredglassses1340 2 ай бұрын

Is that Piper a high wing?

@Snaproll47518 23 күн бұрын

Good stick!

@RetreadPhoto 3 ай бұрын

Gotta do something to save it after such poor power management and pattern work. Don’t want to look incompetent by going around, or running out of gas.

@jackvoss5841 3 ай бұрын

Nice landing. (1) the pilot can walk away, and (2) most of the parts can be reused. Courtesy of Half Vast Flying

@tomarmstrong1281 3 ай бұрын

I side-slipped the super cub all of the time, following the release of the glider, gradually bringing the power back to avoid overcooling the engine. One day, a little low on fuel, I was overly aggressive with a bank, which put the remaining fuel to one side of the tank and starved the engine. With the loss of power, I was forced into a dead stick, landing one field short of the glider field. Very embarrassing.

@chucklemasters6433 3 ай бұрын

must have been a wooden prop? one big advantage of a metal prop is when you have an engine failure like this one your prop is still trying to start the engine. All you need to do is undo what starved the fuel and it will start. what engine was in your cub? most cubs are not likely to shock cool unless they have a modified power plant.

@jasonnemeroff3353 3 ай бұрын

Yikes! We live and we learn. Glad you made it down safely! 😉

@tomarmstrong1281 3 ай бұрын

@@chucklemasters6433 It was a super cub with a 180hp Lycoming engine, fitted for glider towing with a two-bladed metal prop. A regime of full power climb at 65kts, then back on the ground ASAP for the next tow. So power management and engine cooling was a real issue. The prop did windmill during the flare but the engine did not start.

@chucklemasters6433 3 ай бұрын

@@tomarmstrong1281 should have started if you had any fuel left. did you run it completely dry? i had a student pull the mixture on me once while he was pointing at a flock of geese to distract me while pulling it. we were descending over this field at 1300 rpm at about 800 agl when this happened so seeing the mixture pulled out when i looked back ahead was all that told me what he'd done. started giving it more throttle which did nothing when i realized i was choking it with fuel so pulled it back to idle and it fired right up at about 200' agl. try flying a Baron with IO 520's on it and you will really learn about thermal management in a descent! that thing is so clean it does not want to slow down or come down.

@bogey19018 Ай бұрын

I would love to see footage from the ground.

@cameronlewis1218 3 ай бұрын

This guy has done that before…

@TheSamabb 3 ай бұрын

Good job Jason from Sams mom!!❤

@jandejong2430 3 ай бұрын

Needed for all emergency landings. If in a turn use top rudder only.

@thewilliam8342 3 ай бұрын

That was insane !….🤦🏻‍♂️

@ktreier 3 ай бұрын

A good way to lose altitude, but do it a few times with an instructor first!

@peterrosendahl1019 3 ай бұрын

Was this crosswind from left?

@jasonnemeroff3353 3 ай бұрын

It was from the right. The slip would have been more effective if I had slipped with the right wing down but it was easier to enter this slip since I was already turning left to line up on final.

@obp6891 3 ай бұрын

Nothing beats a good sliping turn, just watch the VSI

@davidhull1481 3 ай бұрын

What’s a slip? And what’s the deal with the propeller?

@karhukivi 3 ай бұрын

A forward slip (in the video) is when you yaw the aircraft to one side with the rudder while banking to the other side with the ailerons. The drag on the side of the aircraft makes it descend rapidly so if you need to lose height quickly (e.g. in an emergency) , this is a good way, and is used by glider pilots fairly often. Flaps also add drag, but not as much as a forward slip can do. A side slip is similar (and often confused with a forward slip) but used when there is a crosswind. The wing banked down into the wind means the aircraft is going sideways to compensate for the drift from the crosswind. The rudder in this case is used to keep lined up with the runway.

@davidhull1481 3 ай бұрын

@@karhukivi Well, I appreciate your trying to help.

@jasonnemeroff3353 3 ай бұрын

@@karhukivi Awesome explanation! Couldn't have said it better myself.

@glennryan9770 3 ай бұрын

I did this in a Talorcraft but watch the speed. A stall in this configuration can end up in a spin.

@alexmcaliister3533 3 ай бұрын

Now that’s flying

@chucklemasters6433 2 ай бұрын

not really

@harleyrider883 3 ай бұрын

Respect!

@summerman2 3 ай бұрын

wow

@backpages1 3 ай бұрын

Steep? Yeah! But what a good landing…

@JavierBrent 2 ай бұрын

and 4th pilot error, if you didnt slow down so much, you didnt have to add that big blast of power to compensate for your 4th pilot error. Failed. You dont use power on Forward Slips..