Vespa smallframe vs largeframe. What is the better bike?

Do you suffer from paralysis by analysis? Unkie Phil explains the benefits/features of the current Vespa lineup. Price range from $5,099 to $7,149.

[@prayertool]

Don’t often see anyone as articulate as you have been here. I learned so much … even after prior hours of Vespa “research”. Thank you so much.

[@erickschaefer5886]

Awesome summary, as a Primavera 150cc small frame owner with 17K miles, The small frame is excellent for 1 person around the city. If you ride frequently with 2 people then I recommend the 300cc. As someone who daily drives the vespa, i wish i would've gone with the GTS as I have outgrown the power of the 150cc , however the primavera is very capable of everything I throw at it. I also get about 150-160miles per 2.1g tank with premium. Love it!!!

[@motohound90]

My Trip to Vespa Orlando kzbin.info/www/bejne/h3rPnaBqiaeoj68

[@erickschaefer5886]

@AVRO If your going to ride a lot then go for the 200.

[@carlosalbertopugliese1889]

Yeah, right….Lambreta is better

[@heckadude]

Excellent video. Very informative. I’ve been riding a GTS 300 for 4 years and still learned quite a bit from this video.

[@andrewl5095]

The most comprehensive Vespa product presentative in YT. I had learned so much about Vespa in 15 min. TYVM.

[@ClevelandMoto]

Thanks, we've been doing this for a little while (around 19 years).

[@davidchereneimmel8820]

A super dealership to work with sure enjoying my "19" GTS 300 Touring. Thanks guys!! Carry on!

[@lucjanpetroniusz4970]

Well made and presented summary!!! Greetings from Europe from GTS Super Sport 125 of 2018 owner

[@mangomd]

What a great summary, you covered everything.

[@motohound90]

My Trip to Vespa Orlando kzbin.info/www/bejne/h3rPnaBqiaeoj68

[@HelmutMinten]

Hi Guys! Thank you so much for this excellent Comparison! Frankly this is the best Video, that I saw, when it comes to my Decision, what make Sense when I want to buy a Vespa!!!

[@samanthnair2692]

You are so good at conveying your message

[@tripwheelerton2417]

Wasn’t too sure of these but this is and was wonderful. Thanks for sharing.

[@Christina-tp4mo]

I just pre-ordered my 2021 Primavera. I am watching every known video to man on vespas I am SOOOO EXCITED 😃🥳

[@fintonmainz7845]

Please give us an update. Just got a vespa myself and I love it.

[@Christina-tp4mo]

@@fintonmainz7845 i just realized I wrote that I ordered the 2022 but it was the 2021, typo, sorry. Anyways, she came early!!!! They told me it would come spring 2022, but it came in September! I have a video up of a small joyride 😊 absolutely in love!!!

[@motohound90]

@@Christina-tp4mo My Trip to Vespa Orlando kzbin.info/www/bejne/h3rPnaBqiaeoj68

[@christinaannabel]

Thank you. Well done and much appreciated.

[@nishiki7047]

Superb video, many thanks from the UK

[@michaelromey]

Thank you. Very informative.

[@tunesidig]

Great information Phil! Loved the video!

[@ClevelandMoto]

Glad you liked it!

[@iamjacqued5203]

This is me with everything...lol...and i end up talking myself out of everything bcuz I am overwhelmed...thank you for the video

[@vesparama]

EXCELLENT presentation! Thank you.

[@LCasson2417]

Huge help and great presentation! Thank you!

[@ClevelandMoto]

Glad it was helpful!

[@ydnarenrut]

Excellent video... (no idea how you managed to talk for so long without pausing or repeating). Ive had a Vespa 300GTS for a few years and learnt alot from your video. Im going to buy another for here in Thailand and found the video great. I think its going to be the new 300GTS Hpe model. Note Vespa for Asia are made in Vietnam not Italy... I think that includes the 300 range but not 100% sure. Thanks again.

[@unclestinkee]

My first Vespa was a lighter 150cc, and I HATED going through drive thrus! Because the bike was so light it wouldn't set off the sensor below. Your video was very informative and I greatly appreciate it! I'm a tall light man, so I need all the weight in a bike I can get! Cheers!

[@motohound90]

My Trip to Vespa Orlando kzbin.info/www/bejne/h3rPnaBqiaeoj68

[@REBELSCL]

Extremely helpful video. Thanks much.

[@thematsc]

Like this comparison , very informative. Thanks!

[@ClevelandMoto]

Glad you liked it!

[@kipamore]

Great video. Thanks!

[@jorgepinzon9421]

Great job explaining this, great communications skills

[@marcmugzy1309]

Fantastic video. Thanks for that.

[@jamesnikki5]

What is missing is a review that instead of "highway" capabilities really reviews urban specific situations such as step uphills, ramps and all the loops and bridges that a big populated city presents.

[@mikemetcalfe6335]

Excellent summary, thank you! When will the US version GTS's get the digital dashboards as standard, do you know?

[@wheillebherttjanmontalbeu]

a good man, with honest review

[@nigelbiglari4552]

Excellent excellent explanation. Thank you so so much Really appreciate it.❤

[@cle63]

Thanks for these great vids. Wondering if you have any suggestions for a potential first time buyer/rider. 5’5”. Inching closer to 60 years old. Driven a manual for decades, so shifting probably not a big issue. Mostly looking for something to drive around town to and from work/store, so storage would be a good thing. Maybe an occasional ride out on state routes. Have loved the look of Vespas since seeing Quadrophenia at the theatre (maybe the old Riverside near Kamm’s Corner), but don’t love the $$$. Thinking about a Royal Alloy, but just started to think about the Honda Super Cub (though not much storage). Not sure if a 300 is too much bike for me - can’t imagine going 80mph. Anyway, any suggestions greatly appreciated.

[@6stringer2]

Great job. Thank you!

[@clangerbasher]

Fantastic video.

[@alanmcmurray1675]

As someone who is just deciding to take the plunge and buy my first Vespa, this is exactly the type of information I was looking for! Great work! Thanks!! That 0% finance we have right now is too hard to pass up!

[@karamboules3047]

Good info pleasant tell me where can i get side car from iam aaron desable person i need to have tree wheal .thanks in advance

[@karamboules3047]

I have 150 piagio can side car work with modern vispa

[@chazzpalminteri3572]

you are a excellent salesman. when I buy my vespa I will try to come to your shop. I just want one to go about town in upstate NY thank you CP

[@ClevelandMoto]

Sounds good!

[@CMills8674]

Do you have a video for the 300 HPE, You are very thorough and your explanations are clear? I’m considering purchasing one before the end of the year.

[@johnnyboy1586]

Thanks great commentary

[@tomkitchen2764]

Thorough and very interesting.

[@NakedBonghit]

My mom bought and crashed a 300 super sport. I got to ride it a bunch... what a great bike!

[@Tonycrossfit]

Excellent video! 👍

[@ClevelandMoto]

Thank you very much!

[@JakeM218]

It’s quite refreshing to hear a manufacturer underestimating the mpg a vehicle gets!

[@ClevelandMoto]

When you're getting these kinds of numbers you can vary 30% just in throttle application. I drive them in FUN mode, which is basically wide-open and I let the transmission catch up to the motor.

[@ShamelGataje]

thank you for the such informative video.

[@lb150t]

The Small framed Vespas Term is Reserved for the Vintage Manual version of Vespas Scooters. 50 , 125, or 150cc Automatic Vespa arent small frames, the are considered Large framed Vespas too all the way up to the now Current GTS 300ie. Not sure about where this guy get his information on Vespas . If you want to be sure for yourself look it up.

[@RideWithRen]

ASR is in English, Acceleration Slip Regulation or Assisted Slip Reduction, according to Piaggio.

[@hhanjali]

Really good video

[@GGGG1040]

Really good information ~ thanks

[@ClevelandMoto]

Glad it was helpful!

[@ernstzunehmen7457]

You pronounced _Antriebsschlupfregelung_ very well! Great video, btw

[@ClevelandMoto]

Danke! Mein Deutsch ist schlecht.

[@jameskrell4392]

The Vespa GTS 300 is for me the most usable, enjoyable two wheeler I have ever had the pleasure to own or ride. I had big bikes back in the 1990's but I like my 2018 touring more than any of them. Touring the countryside, trips to town or beach is a real blast. The sun is shining although its November, its stood outside of my window and I have just got to ride it now! I get over 80mpg UK gallons and it will go up to 85mph according to the speedometer but I rarely go above seventy and thats with a passenger. My old GTS used to cut out at 82 as they are limited.

[@ClevelandMoto]

They're wonderful bikes, I'm constantly amazed at how good they are. I've got a 2007 GTS250 and I just bought a 2015 GTS300 that I absolutely love. Just great bikes.

[@motohound90]

My Trip to Vespa Orlando kzbin.info/www/bejne/h3rPnaBqiaeoj68

[@ipaddy]

great explanation of two realy nice modern vespas could you possibly show us short people an actual photo of the lowering device on or off a scooter please or just aim us at a website that has a photo cheers from England

[@lgwappo]

I love tiny scooters because they're so nimble. I'm 6'1" & had a Honda Metro 50cc but it was too slow to get out of the neighborhood. Next; Genuine Buddy 170i. A little bigger & about 60 pounds heavier but twice as fast. I go everywhere on it. So fun. If I'm going to spend over an hour riding or going over 60 mph I'm on my motorcycle.

[@ClevelandMoto]

We love the buddy scoots around here.

[@SkylightCiel]

Damn this man out here dropping the Vespa Lore

[@doncarr9435]

Mr. Mangasarian said it all. I bought a used GTE250.

[@Weyni77]

Well done!

[@joenewton9883]

More videos like this, please . Very helpful'!

[@1999zrx1100]

This guy is good. Thanks 🙏

[@mariaestherrivas4988]

Great info thanks

[@motohound90]

My Trip to Vespa Orlando kzbin.info/www/bejne/h3rPnaBqiaeoj68

[@USMCCGAGNG]

Great content. Living in a world class city in South America for four years now seeing US cities and roads, they are very different. I would easily use a Vespa here but in the US I don’t think I would want one.

[@michaelhallenbeck8644]

Good summary, but I have a Vespa Sprint 50cc, and it is not slow 30mph as stated. I am easily hitting 40mph stock, and I am 6’2 220 lbs.

[@SaraSara-kr6sp]

It is blocked to 30mph probably you have blockade removed?

[@honestreview2432]

Thanks for the helpful review. I would have liked you to cover handling, ride comfort, cost of maintenance, and re-sale. I have a Vespa Primavera 150 and it has been great but, while I did buy it new in 2015, it has been costly to repair. It is frustrating not to be able to take it on the highway, yet I worry that a 300cc might be appreciably more difficult to maneuver in the city.

[@ClevelandMoto]

Why has it been costly to repair? The first 2 years you were covered under warranty, right? The 300cc is heavier, but it's still fantastic in the city.

[@honestreview2432]

@@ClevelandMotoOut of warranty repairs have included: Loose steering head bearing ECU/CDI, oxygen sensor, LED front right running light, upper and lower steering head bearings. I drive it all summer and into the late fall but it definitely requires more service than a car.

[@Prekasvacha]

I've clocked more than 9000km on a Primavera 50cc in different weather conditions, even in the winter. It hasn't let me down. The only reason to go to the shop is for maintenance.

[@fintonmainz7845]

@@ClevelandMoto Any repair, including free repairs done under warranty, cost the consumer money Time is money.

[@dallasdandigitalproduction393]

I have a GTS, the ride is amazingly comfortable. Nice soft, wide seat. handling is fantastic, very nimble through city traffic. Braking is excellent. The maintenance should be minimal, just check the fluid levels regularly and abide by your service schedule. Shouldnt be any major problems.

[@robmoto2846]

Thanks for the comparison 👍 What’s the ride and handling like on these two? Any big differences between them? Thanks!

[@ClevelandMoto]

The Vespa GTS is bigger and heavier in every dimension. Beyond that, now that they both have 12" wheels, it's not a big deal.

[@Antoni2u]

After careful consideration I chose the Sprint 150cc Sport. I'm only 5'9 at 179 lbs riding solo. The Sprint is very capable of safe comfortable highway-speeds and travelling the back country roads as well. I don't need the GTS nor did I liked it very much because it's too bulky, oversized really, and it doesn't feel comportable seating on it. It was a sruggle. But that is just my opnion and I'm sure there is some disagreement in some GTS camps out there. However, the 150cc is the perfect size and power to go and do anything. Any whooooo, I'm very happy with it. The color is a dark flat grey, with red accents [ it looks very cool ] and the only thing I had them install was a small windshield. Happy trekking Vespees! Cheers

[@garryquinn8748]

Today ive just purchased a GTS 125 very exciting 😎😎

[@ClevelandMoto]

Good choice!

[@DrMerle-gw4wj]

Is there a version of the Vespa which uses the left hand twist gear shift like the older Vespa's had?

[@nationalrevolutionar4229]

the green of the Sprint is excellent

[@ClevelandMoto]

I call it "kermit green"

[@silviomifsud8200]

Very informative indeed. Thank you

[@ClevelandMoto]

Glad it was helpful!

[@barrymessenger8203]

Thanks for this video - I wold also appreciate some comments about the actual riding experience differences between the the smallframe and largeframe versions. For example - whilst newbies will always have to be cautious, is the 300cc largeframe too powerful or sharp on the throttle , and possibly unwieldy, when compared to the 150cc smallframe? Is the smallframe just too small for a 5'11" 190 pounder, even just in the suburban environment? Thanks in advance.

[@ClevelandMoto]

The 150 is extremely agile and has plenty of power for anything you need up to about 60 miles an hour. The 300 is pretty fierce, it won’t be too large for you, but you may find that starting with the 150 is a better choice.

[@barrymessenger8203]

@@ClevelandMoto Thanks very much for your reply, it makes sense, especially since I am closer to 70 years old than 60...Cheers

[@geraldscott4302]

@@ClevelandMoto If you fit on it, I strongly suggest getting the 300. It is not hard to ride at all. Don't spend a fortune on the 150, only to decide within a couple of months that you want the 300, and loose a fortune trading up. Basically if you ever plan to ride on the freeway, you NEED the 300. I live in the southwest, and you can't get anywhere here without riding on the freeway. Being freeway capable is a HUGE difference. If you are a new rider, you might want to start on a USED 150, or maybe even a Japanese or Taiwanese 125 or 150 before moving up to the 300. The new price of a 300 is not that much more than a 150, and over 10+ years it won't make any difference at all.

[@geraldscott4302]

@@barrymessenger8203 I'm 62, and besides a Vespa, I also ride a large Harley. Been riding since 1975.

[@christopherbrannan7301]

Would you mind doing a Kymco Like 150 VS Vespa Primavera 150 video? I think it would be very helpful for a lot of people, I'm currently torn between whether or not it's worth paying almost double for the Vespa. Would love your input! Thanks

[@ClevelandMoto]

Noted!

[@josephkent3238]

Just ordered 50cc this week

[@webale]

Thumbs up for saying Antriebsschlupfregelung :)

[@johnwalshire2884]

Just finished a 1,000 mile-ish backcountry trip on a 2022 Primavera Tour 150cc. I weigh 220 and hauled 35 pounds of camping gear. My daughter (130) rode with on the wife's 2022 Lance Cali 200. On 55mph roads bike did everything it needed to. Had to jump on an interstate for a few miles and the limitations were pretty obvious. That being said riding in like company it was delightful. Everything a slow tour should be. I've ridden about everything, including the 300. Better is directly related to what you want to do with it.

[@ClevelandMoto]

I totally agree!

[@chefjpc]

Thanks for the video... One correction I'd like to say is the seat compartment can not hold a full face... Nor an open face helmet. It's wayy too small. Can fit skull helmets only

[@ClevelandMoto]

You are correct, There are very few adult size helmets that will fit under the seat of a Vespa GTS. The good news is they give you 2 helmet hooks that keep the helmet secure, even if they don't fit under the seat.

[@vishmeister4151]

In Asia, they have the vespa gts150 Iget

[@earlsteenburg5234]

What are the 2 black jackets with the 2 vertical stripes behind you (one on each side of you)?

[@andbkk]

Hello what you would recommend, vespa GTS 150 4v or Sprint 150 3v if same price in city driving Bangkok? Thank you

[@caoimhin7122]

I had a 2000 Volkswagen Golf 1.8T. It was the older VW that had an ASR button that you could disable (the new ones don't). The manual called it "anti-slip regulation." So, I guess that they "Americanized" the abbreviation! I also think that VW has done what Vespa did. They started as the cheapest thing you could get, now they are very much premium. How do you compare the Piaggio branded scooters to the Vespa scooters? I'd really like to see you make a comparison between the two.

[@techwithevan1071]

Vespa was always the nicer scooter. Lambretta was the working class man’s scooter

[@kaetheknack1301]

Hey, thanks for all the advice! I'm from Germany and here most people are not allowed to drive scooters faster than 50 kmh. That's included in the car driving license. For more speed you have to do special motorcycle lessons for are a license and that's quite expensive. So for European followers videos about small scooters would be nice😉!

[@ClevelandMoto]

There are HUNDREDS of videos on 49cc scooters. Here in Ohio you need a MC license for anything over 20 Mph.

[@JustindV]

It's exactly the same in the Netherlands

[@SolangeBrill]

Have posted a review about a 150cc electric scooter?

[@davidchristensen6908]

My question is will the 150 have the stopping power to stop the bike with 2 American adults on it? What is the GVW ? The GVW is biased on the braking as well. I would never get on a freeway on a Vespa. These for me are in town if your doing freeway driving get a big girl Motorcycle.

[@mikegonzalez5397]

I'm Interested in a Vespa 300 can it be lower?

[@jamesmilton8765]

Now the bubbles do not come off, how do you work on the motor?

[@geraldscott4302]

When you're 6' 240 pounds, a large frame is the ONLY way to go. What are the load capacities on these scooters? And do you know anything about the new HPE model? I have a 2006 GT200 with over 60K miles on it. I was considering getting a new 300 GTS. Then the HPE models came out and changed my mind. Why did they cut the major service intervals in half? As a high mileage rider, that is very concerning to me. Not only is it going to be extremely expensive and troublesome, but I have to wonder what the reason for it is. My old GT200 has 12K mile service intervals. The regular GTS300 has 12K service intervals. The Yamaha Majesty 400cc for example has 26K mile valve adjustment intervals. Yet the HPE has 6K miles service intervals. Is Vespa incapable of building a 300cc scooter that does not require valve adjustments and belt changes every 6K miles, when everyone else can? Makes me seriously worry about it's reliability.

[@Gee4747]

Fat folk don’t use Scooters … 😂

[@ianendangan7462]

It took me a year to observe and review online about a scooter that i liked. I never buy them on-the-spot as I buy them with a purpose NOT to buy just to show off.

[@jimrees1778]

I will keep my old 2003 Honda Reflex … great for all types of roads and plenty of power.

[@jasonclarke7422]

Jim Rees they are fantastic scooters without a doubt 🛵

[@dcweber1]

Any vids by Donohue doing cross country?

[@davek9384]

Coming in really late to the party on this video. Question re the small frame vs large frame, specifically on the legroom. Say the distance from the front of the seat to the "dash," or the vertical distance from the top of the seat to the floorboard. Are there any significant differences in the dimensions of these two models?

[@ClevelandMoto]

The GTS definitely gives you more room. Fat or Tall.

[@davek9384]

@@ClevelandMoto OK, thanks for the response!

[@motohound90]

My Trip to Vespa Orlando kzbin.info/www/bejne/h3rPnaBqiaeoj68

[@HarveyWallbanger-ho2cq]

When people say you are just paying for the name, they aren't kidding

[@bagatsinguyjr]

very informative, the rear shock absorber of the GTs 300 can be adjusted to lower height.. is it possible? thanks

[@ClevelandMoto]

Yes, absolutely, but it doesn't change it much.

[@daveevans8256]

What is the difference in servicing cost of large frame and small frame please.👍🇬🇧

[@jameskrell4392]

In the UK virtually nothing but the schedule may be more frequent on the smaller machines.

[@AMiah-jz8uu]

Can 2 ppl fit onto the 150cc

[@tnetroP]

Do the US limit engine power for motorcycles too? I know this happens with cars. But I just checked the power of the 2019 European Vespa 125cc (14.9 hp) vs US Vespa 150cc (14 hp) and the pre-HPE Euro 300cc (23 hp) vs the US 300cc (21 hp).

[@ClevelandMoto]

HP and PS are not exactly interchangeable, but some people (printers) think they are.

[@tnetroP]

@@ClevelandMoto Ah yes that might explain it. Thanks.

[@robertviscio2441]

Excellent presentation.Does the 300 require premium.I heard you say the 150 burns 87 octane.Bob in NH.

[@ClevelandMoto]

We've been running 87 octane RM/2 in our 64,000 mile GTS for the past 5 years with absolutely no problem..

[@greghaff229]

Is a Piaggio Liberty a large or small frame?

[@ohwell2790]

I wonder if Cleveland Moto ships motorcycles? I want a Kymco K-Pipe, currently ride a 2012 Kymco Like 200i which I am keeping.

[@ClevelandMoto]

We were more impressed with the Spade 150 than the K-Pipe. Check it out. It's certainly more powerful and much more comfortable.

[@thatperson4828]

Uggggg I WANT ONE SO BADDDD

[@johnbond9463]

i had Yamaha BWS 50 put on a race muffler went 72 km .

[@kevinmurtagh3434]

Must have been a big hill

[@brigittecoffaro3833]

Do I need to get a motorcycle lisenc

[@williamllorens2141]

What about prices?

[@jaimealbarran6719]

Yes , I have a question, ¿ have they change the battery compartment to plastic ? that’s the only thing I didn’t like about it, the compartment for the battery rust out from the acid fumes of the battery.

[@ipaddy]

there should be no acid fumes if its a gell sealed unit as we have over here in England

[@darcychu9652]

You might find a plastic pan of battery size to bottom it.

[@leroyanderson2843]

My 2015 Yahama 400cc Majesty has under seat storage. What kind of storage does the 300cc have?

[@motohound90]

My Trip to Vespa Orlando kzbin.info/www/bejne/iILZg3uBop6gmdk

[@rossydv]

@4:55 I find it hard to believe a full face helmet fits under the seat. Never seen that in another Vespa.

[@lillyfiorello6730]

Do you have to have a license to drive one

[@jangroot4493]

Is it advisable to take lessons if you have never ridden a motorized two wheel vehicle?