Vet Reacts *May There Be Someday Peace* What Will Finland Bring to NATO? A Warographics Analysis

[@xYarbx]

Finn: Better to die free man than to live as a slave.

[@Taskuvesku]

Where do you think the "slavic" word comes from? ;)

[@guanoapes771]

​​@@Taskuvesku *the word "slavic", but i get what you mean but it just get another meaning the way you wrote it 😄 have a nice day

[@Taskuvesku]

@@guanoapes771 Ok, there is a bit more complicated backstory... Nowdays, if we are observing the position of Russian citizens in Russian society... They have no power over their own lives in the political field... Even tho the original word was "Slovo" which means "word", the word has kinda changed its meaning over the time. There is theory that the word "slave" comes from "Slavic". So.... i think the slave mindset is true, because what kind of people let the "leader" take ALL the power from ordinary citizens? I think it's the slave kind of people.

[@malikatamaeva3811]

@@Taskuvesku Все Люди на Планете Рабы. Даже ВЫ.

[@Nakataali]

Yet all living under capitalism are glorified slaves. Work or die.

[@melkor3496]

2:55 NO. As a European we’re DONE trying to talk to Russia they don’t listen and come with unreasonable demands. We’ve done what we can if they won’t see sense they can go home in body bags. You might not understand the European perspective as an American who just wanna be left alone but here we know isolationism doesn’t work nor does doing whatever Russia wants.

[@exy47]

yep theres no negotiating with russia

[@DeReAntiqua]

Anyone who's going on about negotiating with Ivan has learnt NOTHING from the 30s, and frankly, at this point, I just assume anyone who does go on about it is a supporter of Ivan "fassh-yssm" (sorry for the weird spelling, it's because of KZbin...).

[@guanoapes771]

I agree, i mean at some point, some diplomatic work has to be done but right now it feels like if we do diplomatic talks with russia, it would end up in them getting some of those ukrainian regions, which is like giving a a dog, who pissed barely on the carpet, a treat. Like, "here you go boy, at least you didnt piss ON the carpet

[@Juhani96]

they understand only pure strength. Diplomacy aside

[@anupaananen6475]

Russia (Kreml) respects power and they will wipe their asses with our diplomacy. They're NOT a demokratic country and therefore they DON'T think like western world does. We've been making the same mistake with Russia over and over again. It is a time for Russia to learn that actions have consequeces.

[@melkor3496]

15:17 I refer to my previous answer. We’ve already tried that and it didn’t work. No more negotiations with a terror state like Russia.

[@Pedgo1986]

Well that's not how it works in geopolitics. ww1 they didn't negotiated ww2 they negotiated both approaches failed and result was ten of millions deaths and ruined continent. Like it or not Russia have army and more importantly nuclear arsenal so what do you want to do because threat of force is now out of equation so its do nothing, diplomacy or total war that most likely escalate into nuclear strike. This is not simple situation even some clandestine operation to destabilize or instigate coup d'etat isnt option because if Russia fail internally now you will have rump state with nuclear arsenal.

[@malikatamaeva3811]

Если Россия террористическое Государство , Тогда почему Люди с всего Мира, переезжают в Россию. С США Уже переехали Несколько тысяч Американцев. Канада, Германия и других Стран. 😂 Привет Вам из России🇷🇺🇷🇺😂😂😂 Про Россию вам просто промыли мозги🤧

[@melkor3496]

7:43 I’m a swede with family in Finland and often visit the county. The answer is the same as here in Sweden NO. Nothings changed we are all firing behind supporting Ukraine as long as it takes for them. Don’t believe us look up the latest polls and how our governments also act.

[@DR_REDACTED]

15:34 Maaan i get you. I really do but Finland has tried and tried we dont have much of a choice soon. Its easier for you to say when the bear isn't trying to break down your door but the person's who lives on the otherside of the city or country.

[@MKitchen75]

Diplomacy with Russia just dont work , we have tried years of diplomacy but you just cannot reason with them, last presidential elections there was a joke.. all opposition candidates were either in jail or jumped out of window... Here we know really well our neighbours.. Gladly now with our brothers and Sisters in Nordic countries we have united more than ever.. Best wishes to Sweden, Norway,Denmark and Iceland

[@melkor3496]

This 👆

[@sasiuru]

And just name any agreement that has been kept by Russia lately? That would be a short list...

[@MKitchen75]

@@sasiuru yep

[@malikatamaeva3811]

Это. Ваш Запад не выполняет, никакие Соглашения . По этой причине Вы ВСЕ в дерьме. Все : Ваши политики без образования и тупицы. И страдает от них Ваш. Народ. Везде у вас пахнет💩 🇷🇺🇷🇺✊🏻

[@UltraCasualPenguin]

​@@sasiuru What list? It can't be list if it has nothing in it.

[@melkor3496]

12:49 Oh boy your American perspective is really showing lol. Without writing a long essay response I can just say in many European countries it’s wayyyy different than it is in the US.

[@Failbot123]

What exactly is the diplomacy you want us to do? Just give Russia what it wants whenever they throw a fit?

[@jarmosalonen2068]

Russophiles "pacifistic" views given us in his reaction. We all want negotiate after Russia leaves Ukraine live in peace as an independent country.

[@malikatamaeva3811]

Россия не может покинуть Украину. Потому Что территории Украины , до сих пор принадлежит РОССИИ. Это Внутренний Конфликт. Что там делает Запад.?????? Что там делает США?? Которая находится за 1000 миль от Украины . Ваша пропаганда Вам Всем💩 на Мозги.

[@T3leW3ll]

What is there to negotiate, russia can return to its pre 2014 borders and there will be peace What annoys me the most about the fear mongering about nuclear war and "just negotiate" is the real threat that putin wont stop at ukraine and all the fears of the smaller nations next to russia are disregarded making those nations simple pawns in the grand scheme of geopolticis and not actual nations with real people living in them

[@melkor3496]

This 💯

[@guanoapes771]

Yes, ive read articles of and listened to many different Russia-experts and the all say the same: you cant reason with russia like the rest of the world or at least the western world, this has nothing to do with putin, its deeply embedded in the way of thinking in russia over the centuries, its just their right

[@bushpocket8619]

Finland and the Finnish army are not corrupted !

[@mattilindstrom]

War is hell, that's absolutely true. As a Finn I detect no triumphalism or sense of superiority in our effort to be as prepared as we can for a military conflict. I think it's more a quiet concern for the worst that can cappen.

[@ambionest]

Agreed. The preparedness mainly comes from history with the neighbour and the fact it could happen again.

[@Aquelll]

Si vis pacem, para bellum.

[@SK-nw4ig]

@@Aquelll So true.

[@mattilindstrom]

@@Aquelll And not only para bellum, the civilian shelter scheme dictated by the law will save healthts/lives in an accident scenario with any of the the chemical, oil refinery or nuclear plants all over the land. My home block of flats has one with 4 foot reinforced concrete walls, half an inch thick steel door and steel blast dispersing air inlets, fully sealing for qudruply filtered outside air to be pumped in (by an electic motor or if the power fails by a two-man hand cranck).

[@scyfrix]

15:15 This IS diplomacy. You can't meaningfully negotiate with an aggressive neighbor that has a history of invading neighbors it perceives as weak, if your military isn't strong enough to make them hesitate. Diplomacy is much more likely to work if your aggressive neighbor thinks they're unlikely to get better results from simply invading you.

[@AH-li7ef]

Joining NATO was a choice between the plague and cholera, Putler made the choice easier attacking an independent European country. Finland is not like the USA, which is practically a large unconquerable island in the middle of the ocean. We have a 1300 km border with a neighbor who has shown that it wants to commit genocide, so Finland has had to maintain an unreasonably large defense force for its size. When answering the will to defend in surveys, Finns have to think about it differently than, for example, in the USA. Russian "peace" would mean the end of Finland as a nation, as seen in Ukraine with brainwashed Russians looking for imaginary Na#is and leaving a devastated country behind.

[@JustTweetAway]

Every Finnish man must go to military.🇫🇮🇫🇮🇫🇮 No matter how much money you or your family have and we are proud to go and do our Time in army 🇫🇮🇫🇮🇫🇮

[@jm-holm]

Diplomacy has been given a chance throughout history, especially the modern era. Sometimes that works, sometimes it doesn't. It's not like nobody tried diplomacy with Russia, quite the opposite. Diplomacy is all there has been with Russia for over 20 years and look where that got us. Russia is not a country that cares, they respect military might, and that is it. It's an unfortunate reality, but the reality no less. If you don't want to get nuked, what you don't want is for Russia to roll over whatever it wants, because their appetite will only grow. If you don't want to be mobilized in 10 or 15 years, you want Russia to lose in Ukraine, without the west having to go to war for that to happen, otherwise you will create the future you fear by inaction and appeasement.

[@Pterodactylus548]

(Albert Einstein) Quote: "I do not know with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." In Finland we would not fight for our bank account, just our little country staying free. You remember Vietnam - that piece of cake US broke it's teeth?

[@simian_essence]

It will be the same for Russia if the civilized world shows RESOLVE in backing Ukraine.

[@mikemilk2653]

F-35 fighter jets have been before seriously problems. Now ower year ago all those problems are solved, and the Finnish air forces gets ready dated versions with totaly new changed parts. New dated engines. Engine and electricity parts, etc... And now, FINALY, the whole system gets enought electricity from the engine, and all works. Even painting have been changed totaly new, and now it last. Part (some) those jets we fly over Atlantic, mostly part we assembled here in Finland.

[@melkor3496]

8:01 Question would you rather sell out land from a sovereign country than keeping the pledge America made to Ukraine in the 90s because you have nuclear paranoia many Americans have?

[@Sardaukar41]

What sort of defeatist shite is this?

[@melkor3496]

11:40 FYI Sweden has now reinstated conscription.

[@djj9675]

And Sweden is now also a NATO member as of March 7 2024

[@mikemilk2653]

You asked 7 months ago something Simo Häyhä. Lauri Thorn (original Lauri Törni) and Simo Häyhä. You find them youtube videos on those names. Aarne Juutilainen and Ilmari Juutilainen (brothers) too.

[@mikemilk2653]

Finland gets David sling's from Israel and Swedis RBS-70 air defence systems. Already have the Nasams and Crotale air defence systems. Stingers and iglas too. I guess Buk-systems have gived to Ukrain... Maybe iglas too... Grotales... Some old Marksmans. And a LOT OF the 60's Sergei's (Zu 23-2) what we havent training anymore for years now (for drone shooting). 120 mm Namos and Amos. The Namos has one mortar, and Amos have two of them. The U. S. Army bye them too just for while. Those systems are for vehicles (Pasi 6X6 & 8X8), boats, and cargo containers.

[@Riiseli]

Had to check the comments. Definitely corruption, but in Finland conscription is really mandatory. In 2023 NBA All Star Lauri Markkanen (age 26) completed his. And for a sports loving nation that is pretty much royalty. Still had to serve.

[@Scaleyback317]

The reality of the situation is the only reason you can sit with your headphones on and trot out your foolish naivety is because others are willing to carry out what they see as their duties. People lay peacably abed at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf - Attributed to Orwell but probably had earlier origins. If the wrong side wins this you may never have the chance to speak your mind again without running the risk of a re-education centre, work camp, or be disappeared along the way. Just be grateful some will do their best to ensure that does not happen to you or anyone else. Stop sneering at them, espousing your senseless verbal salads and maybe even see if there's anything you might be able to offer to ensure others, such as the good people of Ukraine now faced with subjugation once more stand the best chance possible to prevent that horror impacting on your lifestyle.

[@Kuutti_original]

I as a Finn wouldnt say his thoughts and criticality as being naive. It just healthy source criticality which all too rare nowadays, especially on the internet. You and me both know what we are capable of here in the north, but how can he know? He is not a servicemember or soldier so he doesnt have the knowledge of one, who could see the same signs we see. His only source so far might have been just this video, so cut him some slack too

[@MotherGoose-od1qi]

⁠@@Kuutti_original It is quite reasonable to expect that you would do a little background research beforehand and thus avoid being labeled as stupid and naive. Why should ignorance be accepted.

[@Kuutti_original]

@@MotherGoose-od1qi "Why should ignorance be accepted?" It shouldnt, but it also shouldn't be labeled anything else than it is. "Naivety" is wrong word here, or what do you think?

[@MotherGoose-od1qi]

@@Kuutti_original Actually, it isn't. I think both describe a person's intellectual capacity. The dilemma comes from which leads to the other. Does ignorance lead to naivety or does naivety lead to ignorance. With the reasoning of bounded rationality, the first mentioned could be considered the most likely option. In that case, the acquisition of knowledge helps to shed light on the swamp of naivety.

[@Kuutti_original]

@@MotherGoose-od1qi good point, agreed.

[@melkor3496]

Can you please also react to Warographics video on what Sweden will bring to NATO. Plz

[@AmericansLearn]

sure

[@bushpocket8619]

Look at our border and you will see, that the only road in Russia goes next to our border and it is easy to destroy: It so, that the Russian army cannot reach the area, where the nuclear weapons are.

[@pandanemi-0239]

Perhaps a good video to see and be worried about is Every Ongoing War Explained by OBF, a similar video was also done by TLDR for 2023

[@tomofasia]

I think you have a slightly wrong impression on the attitude and mentality of finns. I’m a finn and I’ve lived there most of my life and in general none of us WANT a conflict with Russia or want to invade them. Win against Russia is just to stay independent. We also know our lovely neighbour quite well so we are just realistic about the fact that the only way to keep them from occupying Finland is the ability to defend ourselves well enough so Putin and the rest of them won’t even try. So yea, the patriotism is real but we are very peaceful and hope that the day never comes. If it comes, then we are prepared and willing to defend ourselves as none of us want to lose our independence. Name one country that benefitted from being invaded by Russia.

[@Scaleyback317]

Nobody gets anywhere near that "Red button" who does not know very well what the button is for and the possible consequences of the order ever being issued for any of the nuclear powers highly trained and vetted operators.

[@guanoapes771]

There is also the option that orders will be disobeyed, well maybe someone else then turns the key, but who knows

[@Salmar80]

I think skepticism is healthy and understandable - Finland IS a small country, and despite being able to mobilize an effective and relatively large military, Russia just is too big to face 1-1. And you never ever know how it actually goes until it's serious, even if the Finnish practical- and society-wide preparations, nationalism, will to be independent, fighting spirit, and the legacy of the Winter War remain strong. To be honest, even tho we never ended conscription, we did get lazy for a bit. In the 1990s it looked like Russia could potentially become a nice trading neighbor. Such illusion is now gone, and for example the refresher exercises seem to have a more somber mood. Nowadays we kinda would militarily like to be an imposing enough deterrence military, which can inflict massive casualties early, and in case of losing the initial fight, transform into "Northern version of Afghanistan" with guerillas in the vast woods that cover over half of the surprisingly large country. Finland's defense strategy before and after joining NATO is not to win vs Russia. It's to be such a spiky hedgehog, even the bear can't touch it without getting seriously hurt. You COULD conquer us, but can you afford to? This combined with the lack of strategic resources or much to conquer that Russia doesn't already have, except for some strategic positions in the Gulf, the point is to make war vs Finland a high cost, low reward -proposition. The point of joining NATO was to ensure deterrence, and if that somehow fails, that IF Finland is to fight Russia, it would be as part of a whole that could actually win. Ain't nothing we can do about the red buttons, except pray for sanity to prevail, and to use Finland's long peace-building competence to engage diplomatically whenever Russia is ready to do so. We would LOVE for Russia to end all this foolishness, and to return to peace to reap the benefits of commerce. We'd be open to it (tho cautiously after all the shenanigans Russia pulled by stealing assets). Unfortunately currently, diplomacy has serious limits. Finland trying to engage Russia NOW would be like one neighbor of a man going to face him just when he is actively beating up his other neighbor, and asking his if he would please stop and promise to never to beat up anyone else. My largest worry actually is what happens in Russia once Putin passes. Since there's no democracy, I guess we'll have to see how the dice rolls and whose heads roll before we see who the next leader of Russia is, and what their agenda is....

[@ArchitectB]

Nuclear war would end up the whole planet, not just one continent. I am a Finnish man and I believe that we still have a will to defend this country. There are all kind of hybrid disturbing going on, and this nation has people who has taken their departing sides, but there are also good examples How we have come up as one, when there is anything threatning us. Just before we joined the NATO, our previous President told to Putin: ”this is what we choose to do, but it was your action what made us to do it” Russia didn’t start to threat us because of joining the NATO. More like silently agreed and accepted it. Some years ago there was a hacking and peoples personal medical information were stolen. Hacker were trying to blackmail these people. Immediately, over 40 000 finnish programmers and white hats volunteered to hunt down this hacker and they captured him. He is now convicted of this crime. When Russia started this hybrid operation with the illegal migrants, all parties in the goverment pretty much forgot their differencies, and voted for closing the border between Russia. We acted swiftly. Only a minority of the people were against it. When we had to make a law about returning illegal migrants, or not allowing asylum, there were more opposing in the goverment, also because it was against UN law, but still majority of the members of parlament, voted for the our safety first, because UN law is outdated and has loop holes against the masses used in hybrid attacks. So, I strongly believe that our men and women in Finland, are ready to defend. What comes to wealthy families sons, even during the WWII our wealthy families sons were on the frontlines volunteering pretty much as first. Here wealthy people don’t stand out a lot. They look pretty much same as the others, they are usually hard working and humble, and they are also willing to defend those who can’t defend themselves.

[@Scaleyback317]

Talks with whom about what be more specific. Stop the slogans and give real options for discussion.

[@Finnishguy777]

I recommend that you study the history of Finland in the context of better understanding what it means for Finns to promise to defend the country, history and blood oblige us to do so, most of us have relatives or dead relatives who defended Finland in two wars, we descendants will not tarnish their deeds or their reputation. Besides, the Russian nuclear weapons talk is a bluff which has been proven time and time again... And the day before yesterday at the latest, the Sarmat that blows in its silo revealed the fact that the Russian nuclear forces are in just as bad a shape as the conventional army. the countries that support russia have also made it quite clear to russia that they would stop supporting it if russia used a nuclear weapon., and even in the unlikely event that they were to use a nuclear weapon, at least in Finland there are over 60,000 shelters for the population, many of which can withstand a direct nuclear attack and these can accommodate 4.5 million civilians, when they were built during the cold war the plans also took into account the potential tourists in the country..and it's true that human selfishness is true, but Finnish society is fundamentally different from US society, and Finland is not even divided as the US seems to be at the moment. It's true that some people probably wouldn't like the things promised in the military oath, but the vast majority certainly would.. Do yourself a favour, never underestimate the determination of peoples who have already had the dubious honour of being invaded by Russia. The Finns, Poles, Estonians, Latvians, and Lithuanians are doing exactly the same as the Ukrainians, if Russia takes over a country, it will cause destruction, for us in these countries it makes no difference whether the destruction comes from war, nuclear weapons or Russian invasion, the end result is exactly the same. Also unless you were born or at least have lived in these countries for many years, you cannot understand the state of mind and determination of these peoples on these issues. As for diplomacy with Russia, it's been tried for three years now, and history gives us enough examples of how much the concessions of war-mad dictators have "prevented wars". regards Finnish reservist

[@Jahvec]

It's easy to demand diplomacy when both sides have nukes and both sides desire peace. It is important to remember NATO has not become bigger by the way of armed conflict, Russia on other hand has. USA nor by extension US citizens have never been in a situation past 100 years where it tried to demand peace from weaker position of power than its opponents.

[@Valokaari]

Heh, nice that you referenced Star Trek. Where in its timeline both genocidal ethnic cleansing war and also WW3 with nuclear fire happened. Diplomacy was given a chance, unfortunately Putin rejected it. You can see what he thinks of peace after his latest conditions for starting peace talks. But yeah, here in Finland there always has been the mindset that it is not if but when Russia will try again. Funny also that my work place has been deemed critical for national defense and some of my closest colleagues are deemed “critical” and thus exempt from any military service if the worst happens. The “total defense” concept is no joke but reality.

[@kotkaconforza]

Sorry to see that you don't really know what you are talking about, in this matter. It wouldn't bother me so much, but you are so smug about your incorrect facts lol Sorry!

[@waltzzu7]

and if the shit go in the fan, there is ALL nordic countrys to battle..

[@gregvanmatre5068]

Way I look at it. The quicker we egt to peace in the world. The quicker we can figure out how to get off this rock. Before we become extinct. For those that do not think so. Where are the Dino's at? They are bones of times past. We have the Technology.

[@jm-holm]

We should certainly explore space, that's one of my greatest interests. But "get off this rock"? How about fixing this rock instead of leaving it? That's a lot easier and more realistic. Even if we had the capability to leave, do you think we'd leave our problems and human nature behind?

[@timppao4664]

How many 100 years peapol are try To talk russian To calm down?if Somone speak peace to them,they think its weak and that country must be occupied

[@kalleluukkainen43]

Where are you vet from?

[@Mika-xt1wc]

Its not so simple to make all women to go in the army. You would also have to double the amount of weapons, equipment, barracks etc... And not even talking about how much more it would strain the economy to keep the other half out of work and studying for extra year too.

[@StekTM1]

Finland, Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia... little n4zi club getting together again

[@melkor3496]

Russian troll

[@sirelwood1078]

😆 Nice, greetings from Finnish Karelia

[@make_m_finland]

🤣🤣🤣Nice see that "Leningrad office" is still with us.... Keep doing good work... otherwise you will found yourself Ukraine front faster than you can imagine.

[@DR_REDACTED]

Hope you have fun in Ukraine. "TULTA MUNILLE PERRRRKELE"

[@cinderellaandstepsisters]

Finland 🇫🇮is a Nordic and western country with Sweden 🇸🇪 Norway 🇸🇯 Denmark 🇩🇰 and Iceland 🇮🇸 Estonia 🇪🇪 Latvia 🇱🇻 and Lithuania 🇱🇹 are Baltic countries. None of these countries were not Nazis. Russia was. Soviet-Russia was allied with N Germany in the beginning of the war 1939.