VETTED LIVE Q&A : Michael Herrera RESPONDS To Vetted

Patrick hosts a special livestream to discuss Michael Herrera's response to Vetted's videos covering his story. (LINKS BELOW)
Patrick is joined by "joeyisnotmyname" (an anonymous investigator looking into Michael Herrera's case) who was featured in Vetted's videos about Michael Herrera.
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[@eyesofchild]

Pat, I super enjoyed your approach and rapport you were building with Joey here. For me, there was a good balance of agreeableness and disagreeableness demonstrated by both. I wish more conversations in UFO land were like this.

[@joeyisnotmyname-yn6cp]

Thanks, I enjoyed the conversation.

[@stephanlandshuter5237]

Just a thought: 20 years ago I had a boss who totally disliked me. All my bosses afterward like me and appreciate my work. But if you would interview my old boss she would still surely say that I was a terrible person. What I'm trying to say is: I take every accusation with a huge grain of salt when someone admits at the same time that he or she disliked someone completely. When people don't get along their perspectives are imbued with negativity.

[@Rain_Reign]

That is extremely fair ✌🏻

[@JeremyWarren-sj3xr]

Fair point, wouldn’t it be incredible if that’s all this was, and the only sketch thing in his story that cast doubt was that his team said he was full of it? The issue here is the AWOL thing , serious offense in the military. Soldiers usually get the boot out of service for it. I have never once seen a soldier who went AWOL (UA) before deployment be a dependable soldier in all other areas. He’s not telling a story from a time in his life where he was dependable, he’s telling a story from precisely the time in his life when he wasn’t. The team leaders comments didn’t make Herrera not credible to me, it was Herrera’s story that did that on its own. The team leader was just follow on confirmation. This is of course ignoring any other plot holes. I would absolutely love to be wrong about this, I 100% believe that there’s something going on we can’t yet comprehend.

[@dixonbalzacs5881]

First i want to thank all of the Vets in the comments for their service. Secondly, I would like to thank all of the vets in the comments for their input. When everyone in the comments who claims to be a veteran calls BS on a story involving the military- that should tell you something.

[@JC3rd]

Vounteers are coursed through chain of command. Never in a chow hall without informing their superiors.

[@MakerInMotion]

Joey says Michael wouldn't lie because of the threat of perjury charges. Then like 3 minutes later he says the Pentagon doesn't want this stuff going to court where it could draw unwanted attention. He's debating himself.

[@joeyisnotmyname-yn6cp]

I understand how my previous comment might seem contradictory. Let me clarify my question: Did Michael know that AARO would take that stance before he decided to testify? Months later, AARO implied that they have no intention of calling any of their whistleblowers liars. However, this doesn't diminish the seriousness of lying to AARO or Congress. I've cited several well-known cases prosecuted under this statute. Just because AARO doesn't want to charge a whistleblower with lying doesn't mean the Department of Justice would share the same stance. It's a federal crime. I was also highlighting the flawed reasoning that Michael's belief alone makes it impossible to prove intentional lying. This is similar to the tactic AARO used in their historical report, which doesn't apply to Michael's situation since it could easily be proven using the resources available to the Pentagon.

[@shamusmcinky4882]

This guy has the most unscientific approach to finding the truth and that’s because that’s clearly not his goal. His goal is to prove Michael is telling the truth and therefore views everything from that standpoint.

[@TheScepticalThinker1]

I'm so on the fence about his push on that Michael's story could be true

[@joeyisnotmyname-yn6cp]

If all I cared about was proving Michael true, I probably should not have convinced Nathan to do an interview with Patrick.

[@VitaminStudios]

​@@joeyisnotmyname-yn6cp nah nah nah, the way you talk about this and your cadence tells me you're a believer....you're not fooling anyone. Ashton Forbes does the same exact thing but he's clearly an autistic person so he can't let it go Dude your wasting so much of you're time dicking around with a crazy person UFO story Me personally, I'm dicking around commenting on this shit because I'm done with my work early and just burning company time! 😀

[@jonpicojones4032]

Why would he go through the trouble of potentially ousting Mike as a liar by speaking with and encouraging Nathan??

[@steelsteez6118]

​​​​​1:06:50, 1:08:30, 1:09:46, 1:12:14 "what if", "I think", " I don't think" 🤣🤣🤣 literally take the opposite stance of anything that is brought up that could conflict with Michael Herrera's claims with nothing other than speculation in the form of "I think, I don't think, and what if". The reason your speculation doesn't mean much, is because we have no idea who you are or what your credentials are. In other words, you have no credibility. As of now, you're just some guy who has talked to Michael privately and are just relaying what he's told you. That's it. And if Michael has been lying, well then, you've just been getting fed his lies. So everytime you say, "I think", or "I don't think", to keep supporting Michael's claims, it doesn't mean anything as you're just speculating (potentially on his lies). As of right now, you're just Michael Herrera's megaphone. 📣

[@jungofett]

Patrick i want to thank you for showing your missing tooth. a friend of mine was robbed in Bali. as he ran away from the robbers he fell over and lost a tooth. he never had the cofidence after to speak or show his mouth untill he had it fixed. Mad respect for showing your human. PATRICK does not miss a Day. :D

[@njbright8626]

The tooth is out there Scully!

[@geemandem]

We need a Tshirt 😅

[@nigelhirth2181]

So these officers were discussing a mission to retreive a UFO in the chow hall, loud enough to be overheard by the lunch ladies, and KP hero with an AWOL history just volunteers for this super secret squirrel mission? And is accepted? The aliens are the most believable part of that scenario.

[@ameripinochannel3770]

Not something talked about in the chow hall.

[@nigelhirth2181]

@@ameripinochannel3770 yeah, that would be my point. The initial premise is ridiculous, hence everything that follows is suspect.

[@joeyisnotmyname-yn6cp]

That’s incorrect. There was no knowledge conveyed to Michael or any of the other Marines that they would encounter a UFO. They only noticed something strange when they were at the top of the hill they walked up in order to get a better overview of the LZ, and they noticed something strange in the valley on the other side of the hill.

[@YufoloPhy]

Can you provide the timeline of video or podcast for this?

[@nigelhirth2181]

@@YufoloPhy they literally discuss this in the video above. Joey says that MH reported officers discussing the mission in the chow hall (not something that would happen), and was either volunteered or voluntold to be a part of it. Without ANY kind of accountability reported to his team leader or squad (also not very believable). There are red flags all over Hererra's story. Especially for vets. The guy is full of it.

[@ameripinochannel3770]

I know things have not changed from when I was in the Navy. Assigned on a ship, every newbie or under enlisted rank E-3 has to serve mess duty. When I served my time on the mess hall we were underway on west PAC, we had 250 marines onboard and they were also required to provide hands to help feed the crew, the chiefs mess and officers mess. When your sent for mess duty that is all you do l, unless your called to battle stations. If Micheal was assigned meds duty in the officers mess that’s what he did, you can’t be volunteered for other duties. The mess crew would be short handed and that just doesn’t happen. Your temp transferred to that position for book keeping purposes. So there’s no way he volunteered or was chosen for a mission like that. Just something to think about.

[@TheScepticalThinker1]

Good to know

[@joeyisnotmyname-yn6cp]

I appreciate your insights.

[@learn12fly]

With this kind of conversations about trusting and mistrusting people, AARO can just sit back, relax and we will do the ridiculing for them. Steven Greer seems to believe his story, so let’s take it from there. This is what happens all the time. People say something and then there always are non-believers. I would say: start digging in silence if you’re in doubt until you’re convinced that there is something to this story worth making public. And if you find something that makes you believe otherwise, don’t make a story about it. As simple as that. Unite and move forward, I would say. Greetings from Holland🌷.

[@BuffaloMotivated]

Exactly. I’m very Leary of the channel. Look at the amount of subs in such a short time. & he casts doubt on the world changing stories but strings ppl along on the smaller ones to build credibility.

[@chrisbradley267]

Nathan would still know where Michael would be regardless!!!

[@JeremyWarren-sj3xr]

Exactly. Anyone who’s ever lead a fire team knows how laughable the idea that Nathan wouldn’t know where his soldier was.

[@nicholasfoley7044]

lol so true, it would be the TL’s ass on the line if his dude is just running around country doing a random mission

[@stevewolfbrandt4932]

Apparently the story is fake. Maybe someday w get truth

[@nickfanzo]

@@stevewolfbrandt4932its perception management 😮

[@joeyisnotmyname-yn6cp]

I’d be curious to know the level of supervision conducted by team leaders while the platoon is killing time on a ship. Like, are you saying Michael would’ve needed a permission slip from Nathan to go use the bathroom while on the ship?

[@------YeahOK------]

I think Steven Greer should answer to this - after all, it was he who brought Hererra forward.

[@BigggB3ar]

Once Greer got involved you knew that Herrera's story is sketchy at best.

[@DJchestr]

Purjury is a rare charge because they don't want to make people afraid to testify and be punished for getting something wrong.

[@joeyisnotmyname-yn6cp]

People that were charged with violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1001 include Martha Stewart, Rod Blagojevich, Michael Flynn, Scooter Libby, etc. The list goes on. This isn't some fake, meaningless law.

[@MissAstorDancer]

Do you mean "perjury"?

[@j.p.sixgunner7194]

​@MissAstorDancer Obviously. A variety of reasons they don't prosecute perjury, I'm sure... Regardless, the whole "under oath to Congress" issue being routed by many as evidence of truthfulness is absurd. Many people have/do lie under oath every single day without being held on such charges.

[@j.p.sixgunner7194]

I can't believe this story has gone to this length...or ANY length of fact checking for that matter, because it's simply and utterly ridiculous on its face.

[@MissAstorDancer]

@@j.p.sixgunner7194 - Yes, I'm aware, and agree pretty much. I was not commenting on the subject, but only correcting the OP's spelling of the word "perjury".😉

[@modusoperandi4624]

Thanks Patrick and Joey, great live show. I'm not sure if it was discussed and I may have missed it, but there was someone in chat that brought up MH's rank. Some of these questions do need to be answered by someone who's been in the military, but maybe rank does play a part in who goes on a certain mission voluntarily or not. Hence why Nathan probably questions why would Michael be chosen since he was his team leader and is responsible for his whereabouts. I imagine that higher up's would be checking in with his team leader to let them know someone from their squad is going to be gone for a bit. Speaking of Michaels whereabouts. It's been a little while since I listened to Michael's interview on the Shawn Ryan show, but I recall he mentions that they did not have comms, which Ryan was also surprised by. Nathan said that you don't go into the jungle without comms, and I've heard others in the military say the same because you can get lost. So, there's two things about this that I'm confused by. If this mission was not sensitive/secret then why take weapons, but not take comms? Something about the load out for that mission to take weapons but no communications sounds like it is a secret mission because the absence of comms would be to avoid the possibility of giving up info to an enemy eavesdropping. So if it is a secret mission, then again as Nathan brought up Michael's rank, why would he be chosen over a more seasoned marine? As for the black uniforms, that I don't question. Black uniforms are not to blend into the surrounding area. They're meant to make it so no one can identify which military branch or country they are from as camo patterns could probably be a giveaway to an onlooker especially other military personnel. Not sure if someone else answered that before, but that is what I have heard and read by other military folks. Though it turned out to be pointless because when Michael's squad were being held at gunpoint the guys in blacked out gear are talking with American accents. Even if that wasn't the case and they were silent the entire time, when you think of it there really only could be 2 or maybe 3 possibilities who the tech belonged to; US, Russia, or China. I seriously got way too much time on my hands writing this up. Thanks again Patrick and Joey. Hope for more live shows like this in the future.

[@lloydsLegends]

In my military experience, if you're working in a chow hall you gota be a shitbag or you got in big trouble.

[@MakerInMotion]

In the PBS series CARRIER, there was a girl who told the Navy recruiter she wanted to be a chef someday. He told her the Navy could make her dreams come true. She ended up on the Nimitz making re-constituted mashed potatoes 😂

[@stevencantu3075]

100%, stay motivated private!

[@MrBillkaz]

@@MakerInMotionwas she hot

[@ameripinochannel3770]

If you were a marine on a navy ship during a west pac deployment, and you do mess duty it pretty much is shitbags… I had done my mandatory mess time with 6 marines who where all the laziest or hated guys in their platoon!!!!

[@TheScepticalThinker1]

So, you as a former military, what do you say to the "Nathan wouldn't know where or if Michael left"?

[@Unleach77]

This story smells like a full diaper to me... The beginning of the story is very important. I just don't understand why there are no other witnesses to any of this?!

[@BigggB3ar]

I love how the only other people who can corroborate his story won't come forward. Sounds very sketchy to me. How convenient. All they have to say is yes it happened or no it didn't happen. Michael's story doesn't make any sense to me. And I fully believe in UAPs/ETs and the government having anti-gravity vehicles of their own among other things. And black ops and shadowy private groups that do what they want. Michael just seems shady to me. And he conveniently has no one else that can verify his story. This Joey guy seems like a nice guy but he also seems like Michaels friend/PR guy now. He definitely can't be objectionable. He's definitely Team Michael. This entire story is just sketchy if you ask me. From Michael to Joey. I believe Nathan over Michael. Nathan has proof. Michael doesn't.

[@brianworning9921]

Another great interview 👍🏻 The tooth will out, Patrick! Truth, sorry.. The truth will out 😂😂

[@jamminmusicman]

Awesome Livestream Patrick 💯 would love to see Michael Herrera come on Vetted 👍 keep up the amazing content buddy 🛸

[@jacobc3540]

Jason had such good, logical and well thought out responses to everything. Bravo to him. Respect.

[@vettevegas]

There I was... 80,000ft, inverted...

[@dealwiddit5072]

Love a good conversation way more than an interview

[@alettames5958]

Well done Patrick. This communityneeds more calm and commin sense. Tearing into each other is always unproductive. Thanks for a great episode.

[@TenkiuYT]

When a Team Leader says his Marine/Soldier was at a certain place, because his main responsibility as a leader is to make sure to know where your Marine/Soldiers are and their well-being, then I am going to side on the team leader, regardless of whether he hates or likes that Marine/Soldier.

[@j.p.sixgunner7194]

Joey, Referencing time stamp 20:04 regarding "other weird things" MH claimed which were so much more important that you found to be true, will you please cite several examples? I'm confident we are all interested in such, and that would help us all tremendously Thank you for your time, sir.

[@dr.strangelove7739]

Hey Patrick! Good to see you , brother!

[@nickfanzo]

“Perception management “

[@markricher5392]

Sorry I missed the chat Patrick. It was past my bedtime but you did a great job as usual. Showing both sides of any given story is a Vetted tradition.

[@billshirey7332]

I am not a person that really believes MH's story at all, I don't think it looks like him in the picture at all.

[@joannaconway3476]

Glad to catch up & find this show we are not alone we will find the tooth 😆🛸

[@fenyx6573]

Joey won't admit it, but the man sees things through biased eyes.

[@karikaru]

Naive. He underestimates what weird/desperate people will risk that rational people would never dream of.

[@fenyx6573]

@@karikaru You can hear him get annoyed and offended on Mr Herrera's behalf at times. Like, dude... come on, Joey.

[@connorlearmonth665]

23K congrats

[@seeinredgaming6640]

So either Nathan is lying or Michael is lying about going on a mission together this is super important and if Michael went on two separate missions during the day mind you then wouldn't his team leader or someone know that they lost track of him for so many hours during the day

[@Lazy_Luke201]

Anyone heard of DC Long? He appeared on Shawn Ryan Podcast around same time as Michael Herrera & Eric Hecker. Claimed to have witnessed rectangular shipping container sized structure levitating in an underground military facility.Was just wondering if anyone had investigated his claims ??

[@kevinflatt3884]

I'd love to hear that story again also.

[@dnsswe]

He obviously has mental issues and probably had back in the day his story is said to have taken place.

[@Lazy_Luke201]

@@FMDD168 based on?

[@dealwiddit5072]

(Michaels perspective) I dont care how long ago it was.....you DO NOT forget this moment in your life. Unless the men in black wiped his memory. Who knows though??? People confess to crimes they had nothing to do with

[@oceanscene22]

That's not how memory works though and it varies between people. You need to consult an expert in memory because your own life experience is not a good reference. Off the bat, I can say I remember almost nothing about high school, the names of people there. I spent years of my life together. I've had a very traumatic event in my past and remember very little specifically except the broad overall details. I can imagine Herrera forgetting things aside from the UFO and direct encounters. This is why Vetted must be treated as entertainment and not a vehicle for real vetting. It's great fun and interesting to listen to but nobody is in a position to know the truth from such minimal evidence and with little expertise.

[@dealwiddit5072]

@@oceanscene22 i agree forgetting things but I would remember when it happend, day/night time.

[@BamBam-gs7eb]

Patrick, great interview love your style and open for conversations. Nice to see people being adults in this area for once. Refreshing break from twitter.

[@bugjuice32086]

Love this video you guys just had a conversation and kept it chill even though you didn’t agree on everything!

[@Catseyes07]

I like Joey he seems pretty cool and sane. Would love to hear more collabroative chats with him here about other stuff he does or his opinions etc

[@Alleeyin1933]

So nice, I watched it twice

[@hendricusdejong7185]

I like your channel love greetings from Germany

[@stephanlandshuter5237]

I'm also from Germany and I do not miss a show.

[@kiwimaccomboattack9765]

It was great how you pressed on the mess hall to mission issue, why hasn't Joey asked? He still couldn't answer the question. How did he actually end up on the so called mission? It would be any curious persons first question. Perhaps Joey doesn't want the truth but just wants to believe Michael.

[@Apoplectic_Spock]

It's kind of weird that MH has some person advocating for his honesty, when there's essentially no meaningful corroboration regarding the interesting parts of his supposed time in Indo.

[@BCB77B]

One thing I've noticed - Patrick keeps asking people to comment on his videos BUT he doesn't read them, respond to them, or even acknowledge them. WTF? Most of the answers to his questions have been answered by people responding to his video. But no, he just tells everyone to post comments but he never even reacts to them himself. Lame. If you ask people to respond don't ignore them. The comment section is filled with qualified and credible responses to your videos and questions but you just keep blundering along ignorant of their content and value.

[@TheDigitalVillain]

Is there any proof of Herrera “testifying” to Congress, Senate and/or AARO? I’ve heard that point thrown around a lot.

[@slamhead]

There is a two sentence reference to his witness story in the first AARO report but they get two details wrong. They say the opposing force was US Special Ops and they call the craft extraterrestrial which Harrera never stipulated. Apparently Harrera was interviewed in a sciff and they did not record his testimony but rather just took notes. He says that Sean Kirkpatrick was there for his testimony.

[@stephanlandshuter5237]

​@@slamheadAARO gets everything wrong. Intentionally.

[@joeyisnotmyname-yn6cp]

Yes. I have been provided documentation of his invitation to AARO and conversations with others in relationship to testifying to other Congressional/Senate committees. His testimony was also cited publicly in the AARO historical report, proving he testified to AARO.

[@alettames5958]

He was part of Dr. Greer's witness group I think you can find the answer on Dr. Greer's website.

[@billshirey7332]

The fact that Nathan said in order for MH to get a UA "he had to just run away” and totally portrayed it as a major screw up and black mark on his record, for the truth to be that his dad was sick... Wild, he has to know what Michael's story is about that absence. You have to ask why he would drag his name through the mud like that. I never believed MH,... but I guess I'm starting to.

[@billshirey7332]

@@FMDD168 it's not an easy decision honestly. I don't like his story, I don't like how he tells it, and I don't like what it implies. However I'm trying to keep how "I feel", out of it. I guess we're doing the old Kansas City shuffle, when everybody's going one way, you go the other.

[@Jpjf78]

Am i right in saying that year's ago when mr Herrara came out with this story 🤔 he said he was texting a friend who was with him ,that told him not to drag him into the same story 🤔 or am I thinking of someone else 🤔 ifso this person could corroborate the story or not, i don't mean Nathan????

[@Apoplectic_Spock]

I liked this post because it shows how various amateur investigators disagree and use competing methodologies with differing conclusions and differing standards of evidence. There needs to be a gold-standard approach and we need to get on the same page. We need a scientist to develop an investigative infrastructure that has the capacity to evolve.

[@KennethHarris-fk9xs]

I did not know it was a fact he was flown to this facility. Let’s say everything Michael saying is a lie. Why would they fly him somewhere? Am I missing something?

[@jamiestclaire9767]

I just cant imagine testifying and you cant remember if its night or day, or if you had guns or not.

[@sturonamo]

Michaels story if true (which I believe it is) is extremely serious. I mean black op soldiers involved in a black ops operation using extra terrestrial technology to abduct humans, is serious beyond comparison. We have accounts of humans claiming to be abducted globally, people disappearing off the planet and never found again (Alaska Triangle / Bermuda Triangle / Malaysian Airplanes) and now marines witnessing human trafficking using non human technology (which would be checkmate technology in warfare) and people are still trying to debunk this? I mean why? Why don't we give these people the benefit of the doubt and use it to fuel our efforts to demand central government to force the Pentagon to disclose all their ufo files now! It's absolutely mental when you have eye witness accounts or leaked insider accounts from numerous highly credible people such as Grusch, Fravor, and the numerous other military Generals, Chief Of Staffs, Commanders, pilots and marines like Michael, that we still question whether something sinister and off world is going on? We should be demanding to know what our governments are doing with this information, not continuing to question the validity of these people when clearly they are sounding the alarm! People all round the world report ufos with accounts that are highly corroborating. It's obvious that we have advanced technology beyond human ingenuity flying around, because its been happening for almost 100 years going by first documented military accounts and if you look into history books, likely since the dawn of man. How this is even in question is beyond me. We have a nefarious entity here and we are simply not taking this seriously. I mean mass abductions of humans off the planet or to wherever is beyond horrifying. Why would all these military and government people make this type of thing up from Fravor, Graves, Grusch to Haim Eshed, Paul Hellyer, Tim Gallaudet and Luis Elizondo. Why would all these people make this shit up. The list of whistle blowers is endless and we still question if the UFO phenomena is even real!?! Michael has at great risk come forward to give his personal testimony under oath and that means something. He hasn't been caught committing a criminal offense and therefore nothing to lose by lying under oath or isn't standing to gain massive amounts of wealth by lying under oath thus making the risk of lying worth it. He is volunteering information pertaining to crimes against humanity under oath for no personal gain whatsoever, with no background of serious mental health that would cause him to lie pathologically and we think he is possibly lying? I mean give me a good reason why lying under oath on a topic he wasn't forced to speak on, regarding a crime against humans, where he gains nothing and stands to lose everything if lying, is in anyway beneficial to him?

[@TheSeijurohiko]

PATRICIO, 😂 u need to have joey come on every time u have a “vetting” interview and cross examine ur perspectives, this was very entertaining, - ur neighborhood puertorican friend

[@jasonnicholson175]

Joey literally gave multiple instances of Herrera having false memories of gun, chopper, ECT, and doesn't think twice that it's all false?!?! Sometimes u want to believe to much. There's no one else to back up his story. The whole story seems like a mismatch of others stories mixed with a Steven Segal movie (,who also is a liar) points to this being a false testimony by Herrera. Can we verify more than he was there, because that's the part of the lie he can't lie about!

[@joeyisnotmyname-yn6cp]

Yes, I've been able to verify that he testified to AARO, and other government officials. I've verified that he was in Indonesia that day. He was a Marine. He is a multi-millionaire. I've verified that he has met with an insider, and he did fly to the location he describes as a black site last year. Btw, I introduced him to Ross Coulthart, and he recently revealed he is investigating him and speaking to other sources and finds his story credible. I'm just looking for more evidence than simply "it's obviously a lie." Not sure why people are so upset about that.

[@titaniumquarrion9838]

This Herrera story has my bullshit meter off the scale. Joey seems terribly invested/biased in Herrera’s favour. There isn’t a single aspect of a Herrera’s story that rings true to me and the additional shit coming out now is making it worse. Joey got his back up when Patrick rightfully asked why he didn’t know the start of the story, how he came to be in the mission. His response was to tap dance. He also refers to Herrera’s version like it is truth that needs to be disproved by naysayers vs proved by the claimant. Here’s a thought - where were the Marine Scout/snipers, MARSOc, SEALs or even Military Police the ship for such a secret mission? Why would the UAP trafficking go ahead during a natural disaster with such a marge relief mission in action? Don’t the Top Secret Grey Ops Program members have good enough intel to know what vanilla BLUEFOR are doing In their AO? Why would. Herrera lie after 14 years? That isn’t evidence supporting it’s true. Could be myriad reasons from being aware of the current spike in UAP/NHI interest to genuine mental illness. As a veteran with over 3 decades service I know plenty of serving and ex-serving people, many Vets, who tell BS stories all the time from war story exaggerations to complete fabrications. The worst are the support staff or people that did the minimum in time and output or worse got booted or failed. They know enough to convince the layman civvy if their Walter Mitty tales. Meanwhile any genuine former serving/vet can see right through them in seconds. This story stinks of Bullshit and so does Herrera.

[@bugjuice32086]

Another thing about this story is of Mike says it was 5 other guys. Where are one of them to back him up?

[@eqe2e23e]

what am i missing, where is herrera's response?

[@bugjuice32086]

From what I’ve read they do these missions during humanitarian aid because people are already missing beciase of the natural disasters so if they are taken people and friends and family just assume they died in the natural disaster and don’t really put to much effort into finding them

[@clintlowry9949]

This is ridiculous, the guy is a liar. I served USMC infantry for 4 years and it does not work like mike said. He was probably a private or lance corporal, low on the packing list. He would not get picked for a special mission. Find out who his platoon sergeant was and story will be over.

[@PhuqGoogl]

We need to get his actual team members. Not Nathan, who not only wasn't with Herrera, but wasn't on his team during Herrera's encounter. Nathan's personal opinion is useless for this case.

[@marybodnar4749]

Patrick, totally random, but that color blue looks great on you!!!! Another great interview!!!👍🏼

[@Dulles2SASItaly1945]

It is ok to miss some details as no witness is 100 persent perfect memory.

[@ultimatesunrise]

Thanks for bringing us nothing but the tooth, shit i mean truth patrick.

[@Marcus_x_art]

Lot of good points on both sides. Mikes dad being sick is a pretty plausible explanation for missing his first deployment. And he stayed in, commendable. But does he have a Lamborghini? Who gives a fuck 😂

[@Nick-df1pv]

Odd thing that may mean nothing but is a little confusing. I've never seen a Marine publicly try to discredit another Marine.

[@tonybrewster4938]

So long as Michael doesn't say he had an epic knife fight with a mercenary, I'll hear him out 😂

[@user-jc4zc1is3u]

Who do you believe the guy who was with him or this guy who was never there

[@trinity7235]

I’m sorry I just don’t find any part of this story genuine or compelling, and the fact that everyone who served with Michael didn’t like him should be a red flag. I also don’t like how personally invested this “Joey” person is. He seems more interested in trying to convince people rather than searching for the objective truth.

[@stephanlandshuter5237]

"Joey" sounds rather calm and sober to me.

[@titaniumquarrion9838]

Correct. He is clearly biased in favour of Herrera. He repeatedly claimed things as if they lent weight to z Herrera’s story that thankfully (in most cases) Patrick called him on. He speaks as if the story is truth and it is the responsibility of the naysayers to disprove vs the claimant to prove. I’ve met plenty of people like Herrera in the military and as Patrick pointed out the biggest Bull Shitters the ere those that did the least. An example of Joeys tactics was to claim that because Herrera competed in body building that meant wandering. Around. The gym for 5 hours while serving wasn’t a waste of time. (Or simply fucking weird). Herrera’s mannerisms and what others think of me has me wondering if he has a disorder eg being neuro-divergent or anti-personality disorder.

[@jep6365]

Good one!😎👍

[@billsfakecrowdnoise]

Joey "I find it plausible" Is Not My Name

[@TheScepticalThinker1]

I don't know what to believe anymore!

[@EdinburghRetroPC]

One minute you have long hair and all your Teeefff, and the next.....You get offered a role in the next Pirates of the Caribbean movie.. :o)

[@1coleman8]

Dr Steven Greer has suggested, on Gaia, that the reason this was done at the same time as the humanitarian mission, was because it was part of some kind of human trafficking ring. U dertaken by a human/alien coalition type thing... I wonder if this is the other information that 'Joeynotjoey' has been told, but can't disclose?? I find it really hard to take anything seriously, that has the touch of Dr Steven Greer to it. Unfortunately for Michael, he is already fighting an uphill battle for credibility, even if what he says is true, due to being even loosely connected to Greer. All Greer does, is state all these outrageous claims and then charge people hundreds of dollars to learn how to meditate to a point that they can learn to summon the UFO's.

[@Saerwen_Celeste]

If he was taken to a secure facility, it was probably to discuss why he ran away from his first deployment. That's suspicious, why you running?

[@iamatlantis1]

Its becoming more obvious that most or all of this entire story was fabricated and purposefully sloppily spoken about to purposefully leave doubt and cause confusion and detract from the credibility of other stories that people try to come out with. Its meant to make us skeptical and confused. "muddying the water" as George Knapp I think put it. To make it harder to get the real information deciphered. Such a ridiculous and cowardly game this is. it almost makes me want to stop showing interest all together. By caring and watching this stuff I'm participating in their propaganda and being one of the sheeple that they are manipulating. Its clear that the actual TRUTH like Patrick mentioned recently is never going to actually be revealed. They've been playing this game all along for decades. edit: I've said it before, you've got the best hairline in the UFO disclosure scene. You and Dave Paulides.

[@dakcasper8729]

why dont any of these big podcast that have michael on just get a lie detector technician.. i know they arent very reliable but his reaction to it will tell it all

[@ZamWeazle]

And photo biometric analysis

[@vettevegas]

That was cool. Could they both be right? I conflate and confuse my war stories and memories all the time. Just saying. And since Im new... why does everyone trash Greer? Were the National Press Club witnesses all lying

[@johncalle8547]

All Ill say is, dont mistake Greer for his witnesses. Just because people dont trust Greer doesnt mean that his witnesses should all be painted with the same brush.

[@tyler942]

People here tend to agree with whatever this youtuber they know nothing about says, not a whole lot of independent thinkers here.

[@vettevegas]

​​@@tyler942agree. I tend to go a lot on body language. Nathan felt suspect. But, Michael did too. Id rather lie to congress than lie on SRS. LOL!

[@marybodnar4749]

@@johncalle8547 John, 💯% agree with your statement!!

[@sturonamo]

Joey made another good point, you can't just take Michaels testimonies in isolation of others. Reality is, the more people from military, intelligence or government backgrounds who have had good career track records that have testimonies like this, the stronger the evidence is that our planet is experiencing interaction from non human intelligence. If it was just a small number of people, you would likely use that as a reason to suggest we can't trust these types of accounts as we need more saying the same thing. The more corroborating voices we have, the stronger the evidence.

[@z28mjt]

I am only like 30 minutes in and Patrick, I agree with you. How is the first question you ask not how did you get picked for this mission? That's kind of important, like your picked to go to this crashed UFO, why you? How do you get picked for that? I don't understand why he downplayed that so much?

[@nickfanzo]

So I am 37 minutes into this episode and I haven’t heard Michael say anything yet. Am I missing something here? Gotta go to the office, will watch more later.

[@Derek-nj2yv]

Bullshit detector goes crazy when I hear this story.

[@pawelziolek2171]

Have you vetted Elizondo? This whole ufo thing that was initially started by Elizobdo seems to be very fishy

[@seeinredgaming6640]

What Nathan was saying was that he doesn't understand or see how the lowest guy on their team the guy that ran away from deployment was picked or even chosen to go on this secret mission. Also it is pretty weird and bad looking for Michael that all of his teammates pretty much didn't like him or anyone that was around him in the military didn't care for him when most of the time it's about Brotherhood and trust and when you come home after deployment you have a bond and connection with a lot of these guys and Michael has none of this very strange

[@sturonamo]

You can run AI software identity checks on photos to see if both individuals match. Why has no one done this? Because reality is, you can prove if a photo of someone is the same person in another photo. It's not subjective when you do that

[@ambient_glass221]

Brah, I watch you for your scientific approach. Do not start falling for everything, or I will disown you.

[@GemGrl]

Theres no way to know if they're being truthful testifying. If they have evidence, that's a different story but even that can be manipulated. However testifying and depending on the evidence they have, I'm leaning more that way.

[@TenkiuYT]

I'm team Nathan. As a veteran, I completely relate to how Nathan described the mission, how socially awkward Michael is, and just his demeanor/body language is enough to dismiss Michael's story. It's a wrap y'all this story is debunked!

[@darrenbullock9153]

Michael becomes Casey Ryback, Fox Mulder and Dutch. All classic films and TV series. "Get to the chopper"

[@davidwood7170]

Wait, wait a second here.. If "Joey" says he has other knowleadge that he can not talk about that collabrorates Micheals story, then why bring up Nathan's testamony?

[@SpacePirate313]

I love this Joey isn't my name guy he is a true investigator.

[@BuffaloMotivated]

Vetted ultra skeptical for no reason. Im Leary of this channel. 80% buy in but w/the world changing stories he’s here to cast doubt.

[@gangaindenial]

That photo is definitely Mike anyone who says it isn't is either blind or believes he has a twin brother that even Mike doesn't know about.

[@ZamWeazle]

Isn't there some kind of computer biometric programs that could compare photo to real life?

[@Skibidi-Multi-RP]

😮

[@terrydaniels9126]

With all the comments on the subject there will probably be no comments every one deserves a chance

[@jimmcluhan2455]

There are so many holes in Herrera's story that for me it became clear he's lying. The idea that the squad was sent into the jungle without comms being the most obvious weakness for starters. Thanks to the many marine vets who have called him out on his BS, the rest of us have a clear picture. The fact that Greer staged his Herrera event one day after Grusch's interview on NewsNation for me spells psyop. Joey does not come across as objective. The idea that Joey has 'evidence' that he cannot discuss (yet) is more smoke and mirrors. The community will no doubt keep pulling on the many loose threads until the story unravels.

[@YufoloPhy]

In my opinion, I think law enforcement can verify ID of people in photos going back in time. I think AI can match if a person was in pictures as his/her younger self.

[@joeyisnotmyname-yn6cp]

I performed an AI analysis on it, but unfortunately the resolution is so low, it's inconclusive

[@YufoloPhy]

@@joeyisnotmyname-yn6cp Interesting. Can you post all the pictures at one place? 3 out of the 4 pictures, I recognize.

[@kevinjones8254]

The tooth will set you free

[@ameripinochannel3770]

I also want to add this little tidbit. Speaking from experience. You would never go on a “mission” with fellow marines you do not know, a squad and or platoon trains together…. You are a well oiled fighting machine together. Every knows their placement, your job in the squad. So being 9 or ten guys volenteering to go on a mission together not ever training together just doesn’t happen. Second, a marine is never without a weapon, you do everything with your weapon. Eat sleep, the military brainwashes every marine into the thought of your weapon is your best friend.

[@JeremyWarren-sj3xr]

Another great video and conversation. I think your skeptical approach is spot on, and exactly what’s needed to actually push the needle. That being said. I served 12 years in the military, and another 6 on classified projects overseas as a civilian contractor. You made a point at the start that you look at something and immediately see a different sort of problem with the story than Joey may see. As someone who’s led multiple teams and squads, Micheal’s story does not make sense. There is absolutely no way that one of my soldiers would ever volunteer or get voluntold for some secret squirrel mission without my knowledge, for anyone that knows what I mean, it’s laughable. Also, he was clearly a dirt bag.. he went awol before his deployment. When you’re given a problem child like Micheal, it’s a burden, hence the grudge. If he went awol before deployment, I promise you he was a day to day headache as well. The team didn’t like him because it was their ass’s doing pushups when Micheal didn’t pull his weight. Micheal’s version of the story is just not how the military operates. No radios either right? lol..sounds like quite the secret mission. Just my two cents. Keep up the great work Patrick.

[@alistairclarke6726]

Concur. I have worked in a similar capacity at the consular level, and the only thing that was ever classified was the identity of the people or the nature of the cargo, and was a rare enough occurrence for me to recall all two of them; Basra., Done a couple of emergency humanitarian deployments and were always armed; desperate people do desperate things even to those who are trying to help them sometimes. Cannot secure LZ without the means to secure it, food and medical would be overrun. Sierra Leone. Lastly, no communications, weapons, briefing? Marine units are trained professional soldiers, this is outrageous!

[@joeyisnotmyname-yn6cp]

Great feedback. Thank you. I appreciate the military perspective. I'm wondering if there's some way we can use these insights to find some objective evidence to back it up. Something irrefutable to prove that's what happened with Herrera. Like, is there a paper trail? Something to FOIA?

[@JeremyWarren-sj3xr]

@@joeyisnotmyname-yn6cp Well, to be fair, the burden of proof is definitely on Herrera..or it’s just story. Unless you were referring to the AWOL incident. Have you seen his DD-214? I don’t think they can be FOIA’d, but he can easily provide you with a copy, unless he’s hiding something. The only compromising info on it would be his social, and he can block that out easily enough. I would check to see what his discharge category was, also what rank he left as. Most of the time when a soldier goes AWOL, they get chaptered out(kicked out). I was surprised to hear from his team leader that he was even taken on the Indonesian deployment. I was Army, so I’m not sure if this is just Marine policy. It’s possible they needed bodies on the ship and kept him with the intent of a chapter after deployment. The paper trail would depend on what punishment was received. AWOL is generally a battalion level Article 15, so maybe. If he was court marshaled, there would definitely be a paper trail, but I highly doubt it went that high up. The flow would be AWOL > Battalion level ART 15(where rank would be taken and extra duty assigned) > chapter paperwork submitted and extra duty served (usually over a few months) > soldier is chaptered(separated from military). Generally under an other than honorable or dishonorable discharge, which would show on his DD 214. I doubt he’ll show it to you, because I think he’s full of it. I’d be prepared for an excuse. He can get a copy from the VA at any time. Hope this helps man! Keep up the good work!

[@JeremyWarren-sj3xr]

@@alistairclarke6726 Right? The whole thing definitely doesn’t pass the smell test. The no weapons thing is kind of a possibility, as they were there on a purely humanitarian mission, the LZ could have been secured by the host country. No radios or briefing makes zero sense. Basra huh? What year were you there? I was running mobile out of the embassy in Baghdad for a few years, Kabul too. I can’t speak to the humanitarian missions being armed, that wasn’t exactly my cup of tea lol 🤙 This Herrera guy just pisses me off, anyone that’s been there instantly knows it’s made up, and badly made up. I’ve never had an experience of my own, but I do believe there’s something beyond what we can comprehend going on. Guys like these make getting to the truth that much harder.

[@joeyisnotmyname-yn6cp]

@@JeremyWarren-sj3xr Because of his UA, he was transferred to another company, and his promotion was delayed. He was discharged as a Lance Corporal.

[@chrisbradley267]

They don’t give the individuals options when they go UA!🤦‍♂️

[@user-rh9wm4wt8y]

Its so obvious that the whole thing is absolute nonsense,and I really question the people who can buy into this, absurd to the point of insanity.At this point you have to question Not only Herreras mental health but the mental health of you guys for seriously entertaining this shit.😭🤣😭🤣😭🤣

[@cdrwin]

Legend 🔥🔥🔥 Love you Patrick but sit back sometime let them flow ❤️ Ps it never happened is what I tink 👀. Once you're in it's the gravy train 👍 Liverpool UK but from Dublin 👍

[@BCB77B]

One gigantic hole in Michael's story, which you guys aren't discussing, is the fact that somehow Indonesia is a gold mine for hundreds, perhaps thousands of people who have this "psychic ability" which is why they went there to capture them. That is so ridiculous. It makes zero sense. You'd be lucky to find one or two people out of 10,000 who have some kind of psychic ability and not even well developed. And just exactly how could they tell these hundreds of Indonesian men, women and children supposedly captured even had psychic abilities? Nobody talks about that. They don't talk about it because it's a gigantic hole in his story that makes it look like total BS.