The Slow and Deserved Downfall of Intel

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@notlyon9732
@notlyon9732 Ай бұрын
Userbenchmarks crying in the corner after seeing intels downfall and yet still not believing AMD is currently a better choice
@SilentSputnik
@SilentSputnik Ай бұрын
LMAO
@endless_havoc123
@endless_havoc123 Ай бұрын
User benchmark has always been a bad source anyway, according to their gpu stats my 6700xt competes with the 1080ti lol because of Nvidia bias
@clarissamarsfiels7961
@clarissamarsfiels7961 Ай бұрын
True, Userbenchmarks has a huge anti-AMD bias which is kind of annoying. I use AMD Hardware and their claims of what is good and bad about each AMD CPU or GPU is just wrong. Such a shame. I hope the owner of that page starts to take their reach serious and provide unbiased information
@bobdebouwer5714
@bobdebouwer5714 Ай бұрын
😂😂😂
@J-Kimble
@J-Kimble Ай бұрын
Nah, they are waaaay too high on copium.
@TazzeOptical
@TazzeOptical Ай бұрын
At this point I'm just waiting for someone to write a book called "From Pentium to Copium: the rise and fall of Intel"
@lucasn0tch
@lucasn0tch Ай бұрын
Good one 😂
@Rod_Knee
@Rod_Knee Ай бұрын
Write it! Make a bunch of cash.
@rgracing4109
@rgracing4109 Ай бұрын
Does the book overheat when you open the chapter about the pentium 4?
@aiodensghost8645
@aiodensghost8645 Ай бұрын
​@@rgracing4109no, but your seat will become uncomfortably hot during that part of the documentary movie when you go to watch it in 4D in 2033.
@quandingleberry445
@quandingleberry445 Ай бұрын
@@rgracing4109 yes
@jkrte989
@jkrte989 Ай бұрын
That's actually bad for us consumers. No competition means that AMD doesn't have to keep up with anything. In the worst case scenario it's a monopoly, which is even worse.
@siddharths4676
@siddharths4676 Ай бұрын
AMD still got ARM & Apple’s ARM to worry about in future
@schikey2076
@schikey2076 Ай бұрын
​​​@@siddharths4676 funny that you stated this now that intel and AMD are teaming up to save x86 seeing that ARM is getting more popular .. haha
@Џони-с1в
@Џони-с1в Ай бұрын
i see this comment on every intel video. stop
@constanciokurdapio541
@constanciokurdapio541 Ай бұрын
Yeah, I still remember when Pentium was released, it was years until Ryzen was released that AMD recovered.
@grabedigger
@grabedigger Ай бұрын
They do, ARM. This is why they, AMD, assembled with Intel on the x86 Ecosystem Advisory Group due to fear of ARM and RISC V CPUs as these are giving us huge performance gains with extreme low power consumption. I do want to see Intel back in the game, more competition means more innovation and lower prices for us costumers. I remember in the years before Ryzen 1000 series was released, Intel was ditching 14nm++++ CPUs at ridiculous prices, and then AMD came to the park and said, "Here! Have this 8 core 16thread 7nm FinFet CPU we call Ryzen for 300usd", Intel was in shock, the world was still suspicious of what AMD had brought, but truth be told it was nothing but intel's own fault on the lack of innovation due to being in the position of "leader of the pack". Now Intel is trying their best for an AMD move, but both are scared of ARM. And believe me, someone will sucker punch Nvidia and their dominant position anytime soon.
@ReallyVirtual
@ReallyVirtual Ай бұрын
In two words? Shareholder Value. It's pretty much destroying every company that adopts it (RIP Boeing). To be successful there is only one rule you need to know: Customers > Shareholders, but alas, these companies get this the wrong way around for short term gain. Then the company dies.
@mawnkey
@mawnkey Ай бұрын
True, but C-levels generally receive large amounts of their compensation in stocks so they literally have an incentive to prioritize shareholder value over customers. To fix the problem you have to change CEO compensation structure to incentivize customer satisfaction and sales over share price. That and/or they need a clawback provision in their contract that keeps them from pumping share value, cashing out, and bailing before the ship sinks with a big bag of money. Good luck with that.
@eleghari
@eleghari Ай бұрын
Isn't that the very model of Wall Street? You have to make (or people perceive you will make) more and more revenue every year or your stock tanks. Let's take a company that makes an excellent product and makes say a billion every year. And let's believe it will stay that way for the forgivable future (won't grow, won't shrink). What happens to its stock price? Will anyone trade its shares?? (I am just an ordinary guy with little knowledge about such things asking a serious question. Also doesn't focus on short term gains have a lot to do with how much the money the CEO is going to make/bonuses top management is going to take home - d@mn (the long-term) shareholders and the company!?)
@cooltwittertag
@cooltwittertag Ай бұрын
​@@eleghariyes. But the stock market is a fundamental principal of capitalism. CEOs get massive bonuses approved for increasing shareholder value. They dont care about employees or viability, but about their own bank account. And they get the most bonuses by following this ideology.
@cooltwittertag
@cooltwittertag Ай бұрын
​@@elegharibecause CEOs are traded so often, it means that they are trying to maximize their income for the time that they are there, not to future proof the company or stabilize it.
@kajojo2399
@kajojo2399 Ай бұрын
Well the company might fall, but the CEO still makes a load of money
@Martial-Mat
@Martial-Mat Ай бұрын
There used to be a saying "Nobody ever got fired for buying Intel," but sadly that is no longer the case. This is dreadful news. The market desperately needs competition as the nvidia price gouging has demonstrated.
@Wkaelx
@Wkaelx Ай бұрын
Yeah, Intel should have tried to make dedicated GPUs long before, nowadays they dont have much change to compete with Nvidia, they only have(had) the CPU market.
@Anonymous-zu7dh
@Anonymous-zu7dh Ай бұрын
"if it ain't Boeing, I ain't going'. Yeah about that..... When you have staff admitting in interviews they wouldn't fly on an aircraft they designed/built, that's a seriously bad sign.
@Martial-Mat
@Martial-Mat Ай бұрын
@@Anonymous-zu7dh 😆 True enough
@little_fluffy_clouds
@little_fluffy_clouds Ай бұрын
The saying was actually "Nobody every got fired for buying IBM". Not Intel.
@Martial-Mat
@Martial-Mat Ай бұрын
@@little_fluffy_clouds Yeah, I was adapting.
@samuelaubrey2612
@samuelaubrey2612 Ай бұрын
Competition is good.... Buuuut intel kind of had this coming. I mean if you look at how they deliberately stalled progress and treated their customers like absolute mugs. Ironic is an understatement.
@mikelay5360
@mikelay5360 Ай бұрын
Wait until January and see how these indie KZbinrs shift goalposts with NVIDIA . Consumers will lose big time if intel actually dies.
@BOZ_11
@BOZ_11 Ай бұрын
@@mikelay5360 intel's not going to die. They've been here before during the Athlon days
@mikelay5360
@mikelay5360 Ай бұрын
@@BOZ_11 I know they won't but my point is AMD won't have an incentive to deliver judging by the current state of intel. Such is the state of NVIDIA midrange products.
@KCY4LUNG
@KCY4LUNG Ай бұрын
It's arrogance. Hopefully it doesn't end in a Kodak moment. I remember almost a decade ago when intel fanboys were talking crap about AMD and how the company is close to bankruptcy and Intel chips were quite expensive back then pre-ryzen. No longer an Intel customer but I hope they rediscover their bearing since we don't have any other option than amd which I don't mind along as the price to performance ratio is just.
@BOZ_11
@BOZ_11 Ай бұрын
@@mikelay5360 they will, when intel has a resurgence.
@katzicael
@katzicael Ай бұрын
4:20 - Hubris. Their arrogance was their undoing. They mocked AMD for "gluing" CPUs together - what is Arrowlake? Literally *More* glued together.
@saricubra2867
@saricubra2867 Ай бұрын
Sandy Bridge to Raptor Lake era definetly rules.
@antiwokehuman
@antiwokehuman Ай бұрын
@@saricubra2867i still have a sandybridge cpu in my laptop. It’s a dual core 2328m. I just use it for basic web browsing and office applications. I don’t believe in replacing a perfectly working device just for the sake of it. I do feel like replacing it at times, but the thing won’t die😂.
@saricubra2867
@saricubra2867 Ай бұрын
@@antiwokehuman Arrow Lake doesn't work, Raptor Lake does.
@AlpineTheHusky
@AlpineTheHusky Ай бұрын
Well glueing together in the sense of having a bottlenecking interconnect. Intel had dual die CPUs ages ago with barely and performance hit because of it.
@saricubra2867
@saricubra2867 Ай бұрын
@@AlpineTheHusky "with barely any perfomance hit" The last one was Pentium D and it makes Bulldozer look like a masterpiece. Then Core 2 Duo came with twice the IPC in one year.
@Johan-rm6ec
@Johan-rm6ec Ай бұрын
This is what you get with bad management.
@adamtajhassam9188
@adamtajhassam9188 Ай бұрын
Exactly.
@Wolfrich666
@Wolfrich666 Ай бұрын
this is what you get when the former CEO doesnt know anything about making chips, a chip veteran is now on the helm, and they know they have to clean the mess the clown ex-CEO did.
@Johan-rm6ec
@Johan-rm6ec Ай бұрын
@@Wolfrich666 Correction 2 clowns.
@Jean_Lebon
@Jean_Lebon Ай бұрын
Andrew Grove (the greatest Intel CEO imo, who also wrote the excellent "Only the Paranoid Survive") must be turning in his grave.
@Wolfrich666
@Wolfrich666 Ай бұрын
@@Johan-rm6ec whos the other one?
@cyclonous6240
@cyclonous6240 Ай бұрын
I have always hated Intel for these reasons - Lower core count - High CPU power consumption - Negligible performance improvements - High pricings - Shady business tactics Even though now, I'm rooting for Intel for a comeback so that due to competition, there will be some innovations, CPU (and GPU?) prices will drop and consumers will win in the end.
@edgykartiken
@edgykartiken Ай бұрын
indeed it's true their prices are always high even after their price to performance ratio is not good
@cyko5950
@cyko5950 Ай бұрын
- needing to constantly change your motherboard for an upgrade
@Sharpless2
@Sharpless2 Ай бұрын
​@@cyko5950someones gotta keep the mobo manufacturers in business lmao.
@supi1233-ol3uh
@supi1233-ol3uh Ай бұрын
The i7 14th Gen has Actually 24 Cores. 🤓
@Gattberserk
@Gattberserk Ай бұрын
The pricing ho ho, i rmb hitting $2000 for a 12 cores CPU before AMD release Zen. And their HEDT is always 2 generation behind lols, forcing you to stuck with their shitty quad core.
@ahslan18
@ahslan18 Ай бұрын
I have no idea how Intel doesn't have enough capital. From like 2008 to 2019, Intel enjoyed ~70-80% market share of all x86 CPUs. Even though they are doing poorly now, they still have a ~60% market share (mainly due to those shady deals you touched on). They clearly have mismanaged the crap out of the company.
@legiran9564
@legiran9564 Ай бұрын
Here's a hint. In 2015 Intel wasted over 300 million on "diversity" in tech workplaces initiatives which is literally burning money away. Intel was riding high at the time while AMD was suffering with Bulldozer. This was the money Intel just threw away of what I'm aware of. I know they burned away more money along the way on dead end initiatives. What defines wealth is not really how much you possess but how much you hemorrhage. You can earn $1 million a week but burn away $1 million plus 1 at the same time, you will end up on the streets.
@slickvik4508
@slickvik4508 Ай бұрын
​@@legiran9564$300 mil is nothing for a company like Intel
@legiran9564
@legiran9564 Ай бұрын
@@slickvik4508 That was THEN. Today they wish they had that 300 million right now. Proceed to cope.
@TorianTammas
@TorianTammas 27 күн бұрын
​@@legiran9564The amount you mention is 0.nothing. It is a rounding error for a company that dominated for 20 years the market with a 70% market share.
@peterfireflylund
@peterfireflylund 27 күн бұрын
@@legiran9564Intel had a habit of buying companies for a lot more money than that - and then doing nothing with them. Sometimes they would be sold off again at a big loss.
@B.D.E.
@B.D.E. Ай бұрын
The CEO and CTO better not get hired in the tech sector ever again. The level of incompetence required to destroy intel, holy shit.
@alphastratus6623
@alphastratus6623 Ай бұрын
Same for Boeing, etc. It seems like choosing decision making people by their ability to bean counting have very bad long run side effects...
@skorne7682
@skorne7682 Ай бұрын
When you get to this level of CEO or CFO etc, you only fail upwards. It's all about who you know in the super rich club.
@chrismay2298
@chrismay2298 Ай бұрын
How do you think things got this way? Corporate incest.
@AlpineTheHusky
@AlpineTheHusky Ай бұрын
Well the biggest issues were that intel was too concentrated on optimizing old processes, software, hardware features and the fact the US promised billions in investments that have been used but not provided, meaning intel is basically being scammed by the government
@steveweidig5373
@steveweidig5373 Ай бұрын
I think you are blaming the wrong persons here. The whole problems started with Brian Krzanich's tenure as CEO, and him believing Intel was so far ahead that AMD and IBM would never be able to catch up. He dried up the R&D budget as cost-saving measures to get more and more money to the shareholders while slowly killing the company while firing and silencing anyone who tried to warn or stop him from doing so. He's the one to blame here as all the problems can be traced back to his decisions. Bob Swan, his interim successor, just tried to put a Band aid on the big problems until Pat Gelsinger took over, but his overly-cautious leading style just made the cracks go wider and more visible. But when Pat got in office, Intel was still an absolute mess and rectifying that will take many years, and he's only in office for 3 years now; the upcoming Panther Lake chips will be the first ones that have actually been fully developed under Gelsinger. I'd wait at least until those chips come out really argue about what Pat can do for Intel. He helped develop the original Core architecture, so it's not like he doesn't know stuff in his domain, but steering a chip company around takes several steps and architectural changes to achieve. Krzanich wasn't wrong about IBM, but AMD did catch up, and then ARM also did, and they lost the very lucrative deal with Apple. Now AMD is well ahead in almost every metric that isn't total sales (mostly due to OEMs and non-tech savvy clients mostly only knowing Intel due to their dominance until Ryzen came out), ARM is cutting into their server and ultrathin share and Apple simply took a chunk of their market for themselves. Thankfully, it looks like Krzanich is now at a point in his career where nobody seems to want him anywhere near their company anymore, so his career is pretty much finished.
@Kapono5150
@Kapono5150 Ай бұрын
Now people will assume the Ultra branding means the chips suck
@dominikkohler5461
@dominikkohler5461 Ай бұрын
ultra suck?
@ldisc66
@ldisc66 Ай бұрын
@@dominikkohler5461 "Intel Core Pittance" -UFDTech Brett
@RhinoXpress
@RhinoXpress Ай бұрын
I think it was dumb for them to get rid of the 15th gen labeling for ultra. when you think of ultra you think of stuff like the extreme editions that Intel used to produce. Those cpus had a special name separated from the rest of the lineup for a reason. Now they're even calling their i5's Ultra. There is nothing ultra about an i5, it's just a middle of the road CPU from Intel. At this point Intel is just throwing names out there and hoping it will stick. It would be equivalent to Ford calling all their mustangs from now on "mustang cobra's" regardless of engine size, or suspension, simply because it's a "mustang."
@oneanother1
@oneanother1 Ай бұрын
Ultra has no sense of meaning for a CPU. Are there non-ultra models? Guess the realized that the "I" branding had to go when their CPUs started dying. I hope Intel's CPUs become ultra affordable soon, when they realize no one are buying them.
@justho3350
@justho3350 Ай бұрын
It's probably a psychological thing. People that aren't PC literate may see that name stand out and choose it thinking that it's the best. Pretty lame when you can't improve performance so you have to change names. I've never seen a company emit so much small 🦐 energy.
@RainerK.
@RainerK. Ай бұрын
Never liked Intel. Here in Germany they once pressured department stores into NOT selling any AMD machines if they wanted computers with Intel on their shelves. Real shady move.
@rluker5344
@rluker5344 Ай бұрын
And AMD has their army of trolls driving the tech review sites.
@commodorex
@commodorex Ай бұрын
@@rluker5344 Are you one of UserBenchmarks' journalists?
@rluker5344
@rluker5344 Ай бұрын
@@commodorex Have you not seen the comments on youtube? They are completely one sided. Userbenchmark is just as honest as many tech sites since they show the benchmark results. And they are similarly biased. That you can't see this must mean you are blind to this bias. As are the AMD trolls.
@MultiBeast301
@MultiBeast301 Ай бұрын
Wont miss those bastards
@crosshair8079
@crosshair8079 Ай бұрын
@@rluker5344 Userbenchmark Enthusiast? Userbenchmark specialist?
@DarkflameZM
@DarkflameZM Ай бұрын
Imagine Apple actually buying Intel, Jesus Christ that is a dystopian future for PC gamers.
@RogerCaplan
@RogerCaplan Ай бұрын
I can't see Apple doing that. What would they get out of it? They're not the kind of business that wants to run a chip foundry or make components for other companies to use in their products. Owning Intel would be completely antithetical to the entire business model of Apple.
@DarkflameZM
@DarkflameZM Ай бұрын
@RogerCaplan Intel's Semiconductor fabrication plants...
@moister3727
@moister3727 Ай бұрын
​@@RogerCaplanThey can use it to cut out prices if the srategy ends up working, but it would def be long term stuff
@ZUCkRXq
@ZUCkRXq Ай бұрын
But what if microsoft bought intel?
@scottkrafft6830
@scottkrafft6830 Ай бұрын
It's a dystopian future for ALL gamers. Better stock up on spare Pentium III's and SDRAM sticks because retro gaming is going to be the last holdout for a while.
@EtaYorius
@EtaYorius Ай бұрын
Not long ago i remember Intel making a comment about "AMD is on our rear mirror and were not ever looking back" lol how bad that comment aged.
@kaiju1157
@kaiju1157 Ай бұрын
Intel would sell more chips if you didnt need a new motherboard every 2 generations IMO
@kainhall
@kainhall Ай бұрын
Or EVERY generation....
@joaopedrosousa5636
@joaopedrosousa5636 Ай бұрын
As a single consumer, this element is off putting psychologically, one of reasons I choose AMD
@mangochipps0795
@mangochipps0795 27 күн бұрын
Fr I bought a 1st gen b450 itx motherboard back in 2017 with an R3 1200 and 12gb of 2666 and its still going in 2024 with a 5600x and 32gb of 3200. It may not be the best pc around but it hasn't broken the bank and it plays everything I want to.
@winumoritribe8425
@winumoritribe8425 26 күн бұрын
bro I upgraded straight from an AM2+ to an AM4 8 years later XD I would've upgraded to intel if I wasn't fully aware their dumb asses would probably make it a subscription to overclock cpu's... especially considering you have to pay a premium to overclock your Dead Inside CPU already.
@strongforce8466
@strongforce8466 25 күн бұрын
Good point, make me think.. AMD, sure they kept am4 alive forever, but what prevents them to release another gen with their new node, even if it's slightly weaker than AM5 CPUs I'm sure many people will be interested to buy, me included, I know they just want people to go to AM5, but that means changing mobo and ram aswell, which personally I don't have the $$ for all that and I'm sure many people are in the same situation, so it's not like we would make them more $$ anyways..
@davidkoch9123
@davidkoch9123 Ай бұрын
AMD always has been the "underdog" that tried bold moves. While it was faster than Intel in the 286/386 era, it may have had a slower FPU in the Pentium era, and no thermal throttling in the early Athlon/Palomino era. Yet it progressively fixed things, integrated HyperTransport from Alpha Dec, integrated Radeon from ATI in their APU, etc. And no FDIV bug, less affected by Spectre and Meltdown, already choose to outsource fab (sold GlobalFoundries in 2009), no complete destruction like Intel 13th and 14th gen CPUs, etc. Always has been the "A Little Less Conversation A Little More Action" kind of guys...
@redlt194
@redlt194 Ай бұрын
I think you forgot the biggest of all, AMD64.
@davidkoch9123
@davidkoch9123 Ай бұрын
@@redlt194 Indeed, you're right. They paved the way to future of the x86, even Intel licensed AMD's ISA instead to create their own 64 bits variant.
@bujfvjg7222
@bujfvjg7222 17 күн бұрын
AMD Barton 2800+, anyone?
@anarchicnerd666
@anarchicnerd666 Ай бұрын
Here's hoping Intel recovers. Not a corporate bootlicker, AMD is NOT your friend and none of us want them to be the only player in the space. They've got a good long term plan with foundries, they've just gotta get there.
@exhydraboy2429
@exhydraboy2429 Ай бұрын
Exactly
@inkredebilchina9699
@inkredebilchina9699 Ай бұрын
well, the monopoly cannot happen. it's highly illegal in the entire world.
@seamuspink9098
@seamuspink9098 Ай бұрын
​@@inkredebilchina9699 yes but we don't want a "4 core, 14nm ++++++++" AMD equivalent era lmao, we need the competition still
@chrismay2298
@chrismay2298 Ай бұрын
@@inkredebilchina9699 Absolute nonsense. They say that over and over while obvious monopolies exist everywhere. You believe what you're told instead of paying attention to evidence.
@DrathVader
@DrathVader Ай бұрын
@@inkredebilchina9699 you mean like the in the GPU space right now? Where nvidia is so dominant AMD is unable to compete on top-end since R9 290X, and just gives up that space all together?
@supabass4003
@supabass4003 Ай бұрын
Time for Intel to give us the Pentium 5, no soyboy tiles or beta cores. Unleash the 200w core and let us achieve the 10ghz Netburst dream.
@RogerCaplan
@RogerCaplan Ай бұрын
That brings back memories! I remember when the Pentium 4 was first announced and there was all sorts of hype about how Netburst was the future and would quickly scale to 10GHz. Willamette was a promising start - fast with the right (recompiled) workloads but a bit power hungry. Northwood was a beast of an architecture and an overclocker's dream that ran pretty much everything well and lived up to a lot of that early promise... then Prescott happened, Netburst hit the scaling wall and customers weren't quite so thrilled by an expensive and underwhelming space heater.
@checkmychannel5092
@checkmychannel5092 19 күн бұрын
Next year would be a 20 year delay of the 10 Ghz cpu promised by intel back in 2000.
@fredsorre6605
@fredsorre6605 Ай бұрын
We can all blame this on the previous Intel CEO's who didn't invest in the company's future and became too confident on their node lead which was eventually surpassed by TSMC and has there for allowed their competitors to not just match but beat their products its so bad that even they them selves now have to use TSMC's foundry to make their own chips they apparently didn't even have the same EUV machines used by TSMC on their 7NM nodes and were only able to acquire them recently.
@jansix4287
@jansix4287 Ай бұрын
Intel could always buy EUVL machines from ASML. They didn’t fear competition until Apple showed them what ARM chips on 5nm can do. Now only after losing their value proposition, Intel is panicking.
@fredsorre6605
@fredsorre6605 Ай бұрын
@@jansix4287 that was the main problem they always could have bought them but their CEO's at that time were dumb as a doorknobs didn't wanna commit to them early on so Intel is now heavily behind the competition.
@rebjr6615
@rebjr6615 Ай бұрын
​@@jansix4287Intel is panicking and many ASML tools being installed for EUV production. I work with a lot of the EUV production.
@UltraVegito-GodKiller-1995
@UltraVegito-GodKiller-1995 Ай бұрын
Intel: you know what AMD? Lets team up against NVIDIA using all our resources AMD: 🤔
@nikolaypetrov9789
@nikolaypetrov9789 Ай бұрын
amd: imma do it myself 🧤
@kramnull8962
@kramnull8962 Ай бұрын
@@nikolaypetrov9789 It took a couple billion dummies to get AMD where they are.
@suchirghuwalewala
@suchirghuwalewala Ай бұрын
Wdym? ​@@kramnull8962
@nikolaypetrov9789
@nikolaypetrov9789 Ай бұрын
@@kramnull8962 I don't think couple billions of people bought AMD CPUs 🤣. I got just one 5800x3d couple years ago and it looks like lottery ticket, not gonna replace it for another couple years
@Yusufyusuf-lh3dw
@Yusufyusuf-lh3dw Ай бұрын
AMD is still less than half the size of intel in revenue and market share. I dont think this video makes any sense as of now.
@RealityCheck6969
@RealityCheck6969 Ай бұрын
They are competing with TSMC with government money. That does not sound good...
@RogueSkull
@RogueSkull Ай бұрын
Buddy, TSMC is literally subsidized by Taiwan government, what the hell do you want intel to do,
@lost4356
@lost4356 Ай бұрын
Yeah people only knew their competition with Amd when in reality they aim the bigger target with only will power and miracle because lack of funding. Because if they just focus designing CPU and outsourcing to TSMC like from 2017-18 they probably can defeat AMD. But intel is only company that has is own fab beside Global foundry is unlikely U.S will company like intel bankrupt because their significant and Taiwan Geopoltical problem with china
@benyomovod6904
@benyomovod6904 Ай бұрын
TMSC just puts the clients design into silicon. If the design is good as with Apple and AMD the chip is good, if the design is bad as it is with Intel the chip is bad. Don't blame TSMC for Intels errors
@lost4356
@lost4356 Ай бұрын
@benyomovod6904 no one blame TSMC also other thing Intel fab is new to manufacturing Semiconductor based other company design they started same year as PG becoming CEO so intel need trust from other company before they just sell their own design and chip. And with lunar and arrow lake most of process is done by intel itself.
@thepro08
@thepro08 Ай бұрын
and they had backdoors for us gov and other to hack you and nothing happened to them, they just downgraded old cpus speed even more.... one of the main reason i think their stock will suvrivre is the fact hey have the us gov in their pocket.... also i enjoyed 10 years of expensive quadcores that were faster 2 or 5% each generation if lucky....
@serras_
@serras_ Ай бұрын
They need to eat even more humble pie IMHO, like how you do have the obviously inferior product, and still have 'locked' CPU's, and change sockets every year or two?
@dadominos1078
@dadominos1078 12 күн бұрын
always spend half of your video looking at wikipedia pages, it makes people take you seriously
@ferris-fam
@ferris-fam Ай бұрын
I live in a city where there is a HUGE Intel factory and its like half the economy and employment of our city and if they go bankrupt and leave it will be very bad, I hope that doesn't happen.
@Sashazur
@Sashazur 25 күн бұрын
Hillsboro in Oregon? Or DuPont in Washington?
@ferris-fam
@ferris-fam 25 күн бұрын
@ Hillsboro
@coraltown1
@coraltown1 7 сағат бұрын
I also live in Hillsboro, a few blocks from Jones Farm, where I worked for 20+ yrs. Rumor has it that HF is for sale, and I think there is a chance JF property could be occupied by data centers in the future. We shall see.
@Usersf134ssk
@Usersf134ssk Ай бұрын
AMD became strong and now too strong but Intel was too arrogant to admi it. "Gluing Chips" 😂 they deserve their downfall or we are still stuck with 4 cores and 8 threads in 2024.
@rangersmith4652
@rangersmith4652 Ай бұрын
When Ryzen hit the market, Intel's answer was a raft of reason NOT to buy AMD, but no reason why we SHOULD buy Intel. It's like asking someone why he or she is voting for X and getting a raft of negative comments about Y. If the best you can do to persuade me is criticize your competition, you've lost, and you know you've lost.
@antiwokehuman
@antiwokehuman Ай бұрын
You’re crazy if you think amd is too strong right now
@AlpineTheHusky
@AlpineTheHusky Ай бұрын
Since nobody seems to actually report on what they said. They said "Gluing Together" while talking about their hit and miss interconnect. Intel had multi die CPUs ages ago with no performance hit but since speeds increased that became less usable with time and their experiment with an "X connection" turned out to bottleneck the CPUs in the same way the 1000, 2000, 3000, 4000 and 5000 series CPUs were. Changing the overall performance depending on what core the task was allocated to and was reliant on a inefficient interconnect that effected overall power consumption states.
@GoldenGrenadier
@GoldenGrenadier Ай бұрын
Glued together is actually an industry term for multi chip designs. I think dual GPUs like the titan z or 295x2 are considered glued together.
@sebbosebbo9794
@sebbosebbo9794 Ай бұрын
Intel challenge is different then & now... AmD steped out if the peocess of producing CPU'$... Intel must try to build a fab that can do what nobody other can to that moment...
@UnimportantAcc
@UnimportantAcc Ай бұрын
Intels profiteering has led them to this, I would say good riddance but we do need competition to keep prices competitive
@vincentvega3093
@vincentvega3093 Ай бұрын
It's Intel Error Lake 😂
@saricubra2867
@saricubra2867 Ай бұрын
Piledriver Lake
@doctordapp
@doctordapp Ай бұрын
Intel bottom of the lake....
@HarmonyEdge
@HarmonyEdge Ай бұрын
Intel There's a Lake?
@asianstud7
@asianstud7 Ай бұрын
error lake? more like error ocean 😂😂😂😂
@onlymeok
@onlymeok Ай бұрын
Boeing Lake
@untouchable360x
@untouchable360x Ай бұрын
"Why is Apple failing? When Apple started, we were 10 years ahead of the competition. What happened in 10 years? Apple stood still and the competition caught up. Apple's solution is not to slash and burn but to innovate out of the problem." Steve Jobs, 1997
@Léon-x3c
@Léon-x3c Ай бұрын
Apple saw the silver lining a decade ago and pushed their own platform forward in order to not be held back by Intel.
@rebjr6615
@rebjr6615 Ай бұрын
I work at Intel. Many engineers laid off and they're cutting all the employee benefits😢. Time to find a new job.
@johntrevy1
@johntrevy1 Ай бұрын
​@@rebjr6615Time to move to ARM?
@cooltwittertag
@cooltwittertag Ай бұрын
​@@rebjr6615finding a job at a company that truly values you isnt possible. Thats what capitalism is. They'll always get rid of you if it benefits their stockholders in the short term. Lower employee expenses look good until you cant develop good products anymore.
@rebjr6615
@rebjr6615 Ай бұрын
@@cooltwittertag you clearly don't have experience in the job market outside of corporate conglomerates
@unruler
@unruler Ай бұрын
After 13-14th gen fiasco Gelsinger should retire in shame - he managed to mishandle it completely.
Ай бұрын
stocks and shareholders short sightness
@daniloalves1139
@daniloalves1139 Ай бұрын
true
@Gattberserk
@Gattberserk Ай бұрын
End up they will lose everything, including stocks.
@arion2000
@arion2000 Ай бұрын
bingo
@wiss256
@wiss256 2 күн бұрын
Fast cash no long term kinda mindset.
@HelloDonkey9
@HelloDonkey9 Ай бұрын
You look too young to remember much about the cpu market, but blue team and red team has always done this ebb and flows on who is on top. Only reason why AMD is still around is that Intel was forced to allow competition by releasing its tech to AMD. But AMD was also never afraid to innovate, unlike Intel, which has also caused this slump for them and now they are playing catch up or trying in typical Intel fashion.
@fokthewef
@fokthewef Ай бұрын
Thank you. You just said what I've been repeating since 2004. For me AMD was never about the performance, but the will to innovate despite fearce adversity from Intel and the industry. It's why I always bought AMD despite losing on performance at times. And what people don't realise is that the whole Microsoft favouring Intel did not start just with the whole ryzen 5 debacle and windows 11 24H2. There's been Itanium, 3dnow vs mmx vs sse.. Microsoft only pulled out of itanium when it realised what a disaster it was. Otherwise 64bit would have probably taken longer to reach the pc market
@oneanother1
@oneanother1 Ай бұрын
Their new tile design keeps up with zen5 CPUs, and 4%ipc gain over previous gen. Not bad considering its a new architecture, but till they do 3d cache. Sucks that these motherboards are way too expensive, and not worth upgrading to. Once prices drop and the previous gen is sold out, it should be more consumer friendly. The ultra9 has to be around 500 or less to be worth upgrading to, considering the older gen is just as fast and a lot cheaper.
@adolfo777nica
@adolfo777nica Ай бұрын
@HelloDonkey9 and you sound like a 100 year old man
@fokthewef
@fokthewef Ай бұрын
​@@oneanother1Intel have attempted 3d cache in the past. Wasn't the same but it was the idea. It flopped due to lack of innovation again.
@chrismay2298
@chrismay2298 Ай бұрын
Yep. Always interesting to see the coprorate fan boys pushing one or the other when they BOTH hate your guts and make it clear.
@TheRealName7
@TheRealName7 Ай бұрын
I hope intel recovers and competes with amd so amd can make better and cheaper CPUs.
@adamtajhassam9188
@adamtajhassam9188 Ай бұрын
They need to change even the materials used to make a quality chip, probably by the time they recover they will compete w Qualcomm or something most likely. ( Too little too late. )
@saricubra2867
@saricubra2867 Ай бұрын
​@@adamtajhassam9188Is not a material problem, Arrow Lake engineers were on drugs while designing the CPU part of the chips and how the memory controller is located.
@AlpineTheHusky
@AlpineTheHusky Ай бұрын
@@adamtajhassam9188 Not really. The problem is they got hit by multiple issues at the same time. From bad material batches to dying machinery to failing die bonding equipment and delays in material delivery. AMD was lucky in that situation since they barely produce anything themself. So they could yolo it and not risk huge investments.
@MissMan666
@MissMan666 Ай бұрын
Sure, but lets hope they dont "recover" anytime soon. They need to bleed some 20% more DC market share and a lot on client before we are near even balance market share between AMD and intel. So dont start hoping yet, its way to early for that,.
@NoName-cx3gk
@NoName-cx3gk Ай бұрын
Intel has a significant lead in 3D integration technology, particularly with Foveros and EMIB, allowing for higher chip density, improved performance, and efficient heat management. This gives Intel a structural advantage in scaling processors beyond traditional 2D limits, which could be decisive over the next 3-5 years. While AMD has made strides with 3D V-Cache, Intel’s technologies offer more flexibility and scalability at this stage.
@Sashazur
@Sashazur 25 күн бұрын
I worked for Intel in the late 90s until the early 2000s. They were on top of the world then and it was an amazing time, they had good management, bullseye marketing, and all the money. But when I got laid off I was actually relieved, the place was huge and managers were becoming a-holes.
@Il_tuo_wojak_di_quartiere
@Il_tuo_wojak_di_quartiere 6 күн бұрын
Bro did not expect the Intel's GPU 😭🙏
@doniherald7745
@doniherald7745 Ай бұрын
They became too comfortable as market leader in the past, and now they are paying the price.
@S4SK__1
@S4SK__1 Ай бұрын
they deserve it for selling the garbage that they call product these days
@Ncloud
@Ncloud Ай бұрын
too many people enabled them by buying 14nm+++++++++
@S4SK__1
@S4SK__1 Ай бұрын
@@Ncloud back then it was actually still pretty good, especially the 10900k i had was absolutely insane 5,4 allcore back then was crazy and it did 4266 c14 with maxed out secondary and tertiary timings. but now their ram controllers either don't fucking work at all or you have to fiddle in the bios for 39 days straight until you get lucky with the 7 different voltages that have a sweetspot lol it started to really go downhill from 11th gen onwards
@MegaPepsimax
@MegaPepsimax Ай бұрын
@@S4SK__1 9th Gen removed HT, that for me was the start of the end. They stagnated and forgot what competition was, now they're caught with their pants down trying to catch up. A literal Hare & the Tortoise story
@lnfinyx
@lnfinyx Ай бұрын
@@S4SK__1 It went down from 14th gen onwards, so 14th gen and 200s, everything up till 13th gen was solid
@datajunkie3382
@datajunkie3382 Ай бұрын
AMD sold garbage for quite a long time also and look at them now. We should all be hoping Intel can fix this sooner rather than later, no competition is not good for consumers.
@Azurantine81
@Azurantine81 Ай бұрын
Truth of the matter is Intel got complacent, thinking they would sit at the top uncontested, then AMD caught them with their pants down with the release of Ryzen and the tables were quite literally flipped on the consumer side. Shame AMD aren't able to pull that stroke with Nvidia but I do hope competition returns to both the CPU and GPU markets because that is good for us all as consumers.
@mrdeafter
@mrdeafter Ай бұрын
Sadly, AMD is 10 years behind in tech vs Nvidia. mainly in production where literally no one recommend AMD ever
@banner7310
@banner7310 18 күн бұрын
AMD needs to stay purely mid-range if they want to compete
@Kevin-jb2pv
@Kevin-jb2pv 16 күн бұрын
Unfortunately or fortunately, depending on how you look at it, nVidia never got complacent on the R&D side of things, even if they have when it comes to pricing. So AMD has been playing catch up and nVidia has not had any major stumbles to slow them down, thus far.
@colberttechrepair
@colberttechrepair Ай бұрын
Unfortunately most of Intels business is corporate and prebuilt system integration not normal gamer/consumer sales, so take sales numbers/rankings with a grain of salt.
@TheZzuzy
@TheZzuzy Ай бұрын
We need competition in the market. That said Intel deserves this after all the bad business practices they pulled over the year, especially to undermine AMD. And better yet AMD doesnt even need to do anything to make them look bad, they did this to themselves
@impact6126
@impact6126 Ай бұрын
0:43 what makes the new intel gen revolutionary
@OwenNZ
@OwenNZ Ай бұрын
MUH POWER EFFICIENCY... Or something Idk There's nothing though
@LeshaTheBeginner
@LeshaTheBeginner 8 күн бұрын
well this aged like milk
@rano12321
@rano12321 Ай бұрын
Letting managers become ceo of tech companies usually end with company going extinct.
@sabyasacheebanik6018
@sabyasacheebanik6018 Ай бұрын
hOW to dig your own grave? - Throw your iconic name out the window, - avoid the last gen stability issues - make a new product that absolutely sucks than previous one, or, similar to previous ones. - Bad quality service.
@inkredebilchina9699
@inkredebilchina9699 Ай бұрын
it's hard to say anything without mentioning "they had it coming long time". remember the 14nm node and how long they refused to innovate and invest in the better node? yeah. that backfired and that's what it is today.
@djgaming5472
@djgaming5472 4 күн бұрын
this video aged like milk
@JoseAlba87
@JoseAlba87 Ай бұрын
Intel has been using the same architecture for the last 10+ years All the chips that came out in the Lake series.
@kryptikmünk
@kryptikmünk 8 күн бұрын
Yeah okay what is your point? Intel is still winning in multicore and CAD/Blender. AMD now wins in gaming, but they also have copy pasted their arch. They added a vcache, and Intel added e cores. You are only looking at gaming results where AMD clearly has an edge due the v cache.
@dgracey01
@dgracey01 Ай бұрын
Diversity when done incorrectly IS bad for a company. When you start to hire people based on quotas, based on gender or skin color rather than competency that's when the company goes down. Smart people come in different genders and colors. Just hire the best mind for the job and nevermind how they look like on the outside.
@redlt194
@redlt194 Ай бұрын
People don't say this because it is taboo. Just look at the Oceangate disator. "The OceanGate CEO who is trapped on a 22-foot submersible on an ill-fated voyage to see the Titanic wreck once explained how he didn’t hire “50-year-old white guys” with military experience to captain his vessels because they weren’t “inspirational.” Stockton Rush, 61, added that such expertise was unnecessary because “anybody can drive the sub” with a $30 video game controller."
@Lunacy4
@Lunacy4 Ай бұрын
its a touchy subject cuz the moment you Talk about if someone is getting a little lost in the plot of performative diversity hordes of weirdos come out of the woodwork and start talking about DEI shit and affirmative action and woke skull measurements
@thephantomchannel5368
@thephantomchannel5368 Ай бұрын
@@Lunacy4 Woke skull measurements sounds like a derivative of progressive eugenics. The same people that gave us forced sterilization of the "undesirables" in state funded institutions starting in the 1890's which wasn't formally banned until the 1970's. The Japanese still had a functioning eugenics program all the way up to the 90's. Now days we just let pharmaceutical companies do the dirty work while being subsidized by the government. ESG and DEI are also sponsored and funded by the modern day progressives who have a desire for social engineering as a way to equalize/ neutralize the masses as subordinates to certain corporations and the government. Essentially what it turns into is subsidized slavery.
@blizyon30fps86
@blizyon30fps86 Ай бұрын
@@Lunacy4 exactly. Like we can have a civil discussion using some common sense about the topic then the racists take that as an opportunity to make it about something entirely different.
@vylbird8014
@vylbird8014 Ай бұрын
It's a good theory, but then you run into problems of bias within the managers. Even bias they aren't aware of. They subconsciously favor certain demographics, getting the old 'gut feeling' that one employees is trustworthy and another wouldn't fit in. You can't outright say any one individual was hired or rejected based on gender or race, but then you look at your company statistics and notice that the vast majority are white and male. Some HR departments try to fix this by blinding the early stages of the hiring process - the people making decisions never actually see names or photos, so it's impossible for them to be biased - but that doesn't work once you get to the interview stage.
@w2385-i2s
@w2385-i2s Ай бұрын
"Intel inside" toilet
@kevinchen1788
@kevinchen1788 Ай бұрын
4:00 istg if apple acquires Intel and pushes some driver update that throttles every windows system...
@johnnyblaze9217
@johnnyblaze9217 Ай бұрын
That’s illegal and completely unfounded, why would you think they’d do that? Are you retarded
@johntrevy1
@johntrevy1 Ай бұрын
Why would Apple want Intel? Also, isn't what you suggesting illegal?
@akmon3490
@akmon3490 Ай бұрын
​@@johntrevy1 is it though?
@kylekermgard
@kylekermgard Ай бұрын
Intel decided they were so far ahead they didn't need to invest in R&D anymore. It's taking years to turn the ship around and catch up.
@GeminionRay
@GeminionRay Ай бұрын
Now there are articles citing how Pat Gelsinger screwed up the deal with TSMC and had to pay full price. I won't be surprised if Intel shareholders actually vote for another CEO replacement. Remember the whole 13/14th gen issue was entirely him to blame.
@Shimapan
@Shimapan Ай бұрын
On the flip side, tsmc would never favor them on pricing like apple or amd who are their biggest priority customers for each node shrink anyway, which intel has to worry about. They would never be able to match capacity amd has blocked off because to tsmc...they just are a temporary customer.
@doomdimensiondweller5627
@doomdimensiondweller5627 Ай бұрын
Also Brian had a chemistry in bachelor's and the guy before him was a marketing guy. Lisa Su and Jensen are both electrical engineers who understand their product well.
@dominicbritt
@dominicbritt 29 күн бұрын
Intel deserves to vanish - for a decade they produced rubbish and held back the entire industry until 2020 - Apple M1 arrived....now they'll produce something that works like an Apple Silicon soic, but they won't move the game on at all.... I've dealt with Intel as a customer in a Corporate environment and they've completely lost their way - stoic belief they that are the best, when they are far from it....trying to dictate features to customers...they've lost their way and don't see it... They're sat on a mountain of patents but have forgotten how they got these in the first place... When Apple was working on the iPhone on 2006-2008, Steve Jobs asked Intel for some mobile processors...they provided garbage that was laughed out...Apple stepped up their investment in ARM at this time...
@imglidinhere
@imglidinhere Ай бұрын
The stagnation wasn't hard to imagine though. We're talking about comparing Haswell, the legendary i7 4770k against... Piledriver. The gaming performance between an FX-8370 and a 4770k is wildly different. That was a time when you could literally double your FPS going to Intel. When competition literally does not exist, and even i3 offerings often beat AMD's best for lower prices, it's hard to imagine a world where you aren't progressing forward. Intel had huge success in architecture with Nehalem and Westmere and then with Sandy Bridge and then Haswell, while AMD flopped with Bulldozer and Piledriver. The other problem is that they rested on their laurels even when Ryzen was released. It was essentially a matter of "Yeah it's an improvement... _but we're is still faster in gaming._ " And that mentality persisted until Ryzen 5000 dropped and THEN Intel paid attention, realizing far too late that they were suddenly beaten across the board in every metric and couldn't remain competitive anymore. The V-cache stuff just added salt to the wound.
@TabalugaDragon
@TabalugaDragon Ай бұрын
I wish these videos mentioned how Intel disabled undervolting on laptops. That was the biggest factor for me to go for AMD instead.
@iamdihan
@iamdihan Ай бұрын
Its wild that AMD stock just plummted 15% yesterday and generally falling stock prices. Intel very similar trajectory
@willywonka6487
@willywonka6487 Ай бұрын
its just normal price fluctuation. look at their long term stock price
@saricubra2867
@saricubra2867 Ай бұрын
​​@@willywonka6487That wall street speculative nonsense is irrelevant for the future of companies. What people don't mention is that Intel was losing A LOT of money with their Intel Foundry Services and would be on the risk of bankrupcy. What else could explain the layoffs and the TSMC 3nm nonsense (core architecture matters a lot more than transistor density), i7-12700K still has better perfomance per watt than some Zen 4 chips to this day for being hybrid and the strong IPC. But no, they switched to newer process node and pulled a Ryzen moment (with the exception of the X3D chips, there's no way that Ryzen CPUs would be that fast with Intel's own fabs).
@AlpineTheHusky
@AlpineTheHusky Ай бұрын
@@saricubra2867 The thing people dont understand is that AMD is using a foreign fab to produce their designs as small and new as possible. Intel is making insanely well optimized and feature rich designs on in some cases decade old hardware. Intel 14nm++ was closer to 10nm than AMDs CPUs.
@MissMan666
@MissMan666 Ай бұрын
up's and down's. Actually the Q3 results where not bad for AMD largely speaking, they gained share where it matters the most for them, in the DC. AMD has over the past 7 years had a tendency to drop after earnings. No biggie, AMD stock is doing fine, and has been doing fine whether you look at 6month - 1,2,3,4,5,6 years, its all soldig gains. 15% drop was on top of a 4% gain day before, so its more like 10% drop really. Zoom out a bit and look at the general picture.
@MrFram
@MrFram Ай бұрын
These are just election related stock fluctuations. They went up when the winner became known
@slart1bartfast587
@slart1bartfast587 13 күн бұрын
I am not even sure that it's just Intels fault. Over the last couple of years AMD's engineering and R&D department has made leaps and bounds when it comes to processors. I mean have you seen the new Epyc 5 series server cpus? Holy moly. Whoever is in charge of those departments not only knows what he is doing but has built up an R&D team over the last couple years that is just absolutely brilliant.
@MarcoC.130
@MarcoC.130 4 күн бұрын
Intel's performance maybe down, but userbenchmark's glazing has been higher than before!
@Firestorm-m4m
@Firestorm-m4m Ай бұрын
They renamed their products for no reason, launched a new platform and the cpus barrely manage to keep up with the previouse gen, as well as insane prices. What were they thinking?
@radosuaf
@radosuaf Ай бұрын
As a 11900K user and XeSS enjoyer I do hope they will keep up - just for the sake of good old competition.
@saricubra2867
@saricubra2867 Ай бұрын
Oh, the i9 FX9590...
@radosuaf
@radosuaf Ай бұрын
@@saricubra2867 I got it for a good price well knowing its limitations. That's a damn fine processor for what I use if for - maybe could consume less energy, that's it.
@EyemachineStudios
@EyemachineStudios Ай бұрын
Chat we cannot let intel die, if we do. AMD is gonna get lazy and make shitty CPUs. Do yall really want another athlon chip?
@friesguy2403
@friesguy2403 25 күн бұрын
I swear these downfall videos are making me crazy... Whats next, the downfall if Earth?
@TreacherousFennec
@TreacherousFennec Ай бұрын
I don't think we should be suprised at seemingly undefeatable companies getting defeated or in a progress of defeat in a world where Pan Am, Kodak and RCA had bitten the dust
@shaurz
@shaurz Ай бұрын
I bought an Intel GPU just to be different lol
@abusufian4991
@abusufian4991 Ай бұрын
Us
@diegovelosa8519
@diegovelosa8519 Ай бұрын
is it any good??
@spentcasing3990
@spentcasing3990 Ай бұрын
If 15th gen would have been compatible with last gen motherboards, and they had slashed the price it could have been something of a win for Intel. A stable cheap upgrade for Intel users that's more power efficent, and less heat while getting at least close to the same performance, would be a lot more appealing to those currently running Intel pc's. How they figured it made sense to go with a new socket, then expect consumers to pay double for a new cpu and motherboard, while getting less performance is stupid. There is 0 reason to buy 15th gen
@Insky_
@Insky_ 28 күн бұрын
they always have done that, while AM4 lasted from Ryzen 1000 up to 5000, at the same time Intel had three or four different sockets it's crazy
@spentcasing3990
@spentcasing3990 28 күн бұрын
@@Insky_ I know, which is what makes going to 15th gen even less practical if you already are using 12th to 14th . Less performance, but more expensive.
@anthonypra8899
@anthonypra8899 Ай бұрын
The system is breaking down because. they have got the mindset screwing over. your customer's employees infrastructure and innovation is a good business plan while giving record breaking bonuses to CEOS and CFOS and all the top end when America is built on innovation. We didn't make steel that was good enough. We made the best steel on the planet. faster, better than everyone else. That was innovation. Then we connected the east with the West and became a real country, not just a bunch of colonies. or towns and cities Innovation is what got our system going in the first place, which was 1900s with the. Model T on assembly line. The corporate mindset at the time was understanding innovation is a big part of the system. So Model T stopped being innovated with and then they started with the strong army, the population. kind of like the KGB. and later times. People keep thinking or saying that these CEOS keep doing things that must be a 5 brain move. But it's the easiest way for them to get their quarterly bonus. That's all. It's the easiest, quickest way to get the biggest, fattest quarterly bonus than market and spin it. to say yes, this is best. And these people believed their own spin. The only thing they do with their money is private jet, big house. Then sit here and talk about how amazing they are on Twitter or X, or whatever it's called now, which was something in the 90s which was extreme this and extreme that all that happened in the 90s. But whatever. Anyway, I am using text. I have a learning disability. I've been finally for disability for the past 8 years. I am still waiting. This system has collapsed multiple times in my working life. But instead of fixing it, they just bailed out the rich. with billions, hundreds of billions of dollars just given. to the rich. I understand there's going to be people who say I have no idea what I'm talking about Minimum wage has not gone up since 1997. You don't believe me based off of the information$7. 25 cents was established in 1997. Look at the tax records going back from 1997 till now the base pay has not increased since 1997 It's provable. they all lie they all cheat they all steal. and we're getting to a point where the system is collapsing the biggest corporations get bailouts but they still do the same thing because they get bailouts. So why would they change? our entire system is collapsing and they're so busy sitting here talking about how amazing they are and flying around a private jets. They don't realize they're health care is getting screwed too indirectly and directly. The people who produced the food aren't having kids anymore because they can't feed themselves. The people who produce the housing can't afford a house so they're not having kids because they're having troubled living with them by themselves without living with their family My generation was the first generation to live with. their family members. in the United States and them asking why isn't y'all out on your own now because it's been a voyage hasn't gone up since 1997 and I was saying that in 2006 I want you to understand 2006 I was living with my mother working 50 plus hours a week between two jobs. and having nothing to show for it. Why would anyone have kids in this world?
@StarTraffic-z1o
@StarTraffic-z1o Ай бұрын
Republicans in the Senate are opposed to it, and some Democrats in States like West Virginia was opposed. Democrats need about 65 seats in the Senate to ever pass a Seattle style living wage Act.
@vladimirpain3942
@vladimirpain3942 Ай бұрын
Now that is great. I used AMD for over twelve years. Then I want to try Intel and what happens? Company goes down. What if it's my fault?
@RJH755
@RJH755 Ай бұрын
Built my current PC in 2019 and had long planned to go Intel but then when Ryzen 3000 released and I saw the neglegible gaming performance difference compared to the 9700K with an RTX 2070 Super for a cheaper price and multi threading I decided to give Team Red a shot, and boy am I glad I did having now been able to upgrade to a 5700X3D which keeps up with my 4070 Super without needing to change my motherboard or RAM
@Sigma993
@Sigma993 Ай бұрын
I remember back in the days when Intel was pretty much dominating the market in the early 2010s after AMD released their Bulldozer CPUs. Ended up getting the FX 8350 which I then replaced with an i7-6700k a few years later. Intel had such a massive lead over AMD in the market that they got too comfortable, releasing overpriced CPUs based on the same architecture, over and over again until AMD came back with Ryzen and turned the tables to their favor.
@bauer9101
@bauer9101 Ай бұрын
I’m on Intel at the moment but next time it will be AMD. I’m sure many will do the same.
@oneanother1
@oneanother1 Ай бұрын
Not this gen, maybe the next. Still not worth upgrading to a zen5 ATM, unless you want the x3d for gaming. I'm on intel too, but I don't feel the need to upgrade. My rig isn't high end either.
@bauer9101
@bauer9101 Ай бұрын
@ yeah I’m holding out until AM6
@somebodyrand0m280
@somebodyrand0m280 Ай бұрын
@@bauer9101 maybe zen7 for me. im interested in that 32core (currently on 13900k).
@ElGreco365
@ElGreco365 Ай бұрын
No I buy the best for my needs which I want to spend.
@jansix4287
@jansix4287 Ай бұрын
Mankind is sunsetting PCs and going smartphone only. AMD or INTEL x86 makes no difference.
@niko2002
@niko2002 Ай бұрын
Also I'm not 100% positive if tariffs will be on every product made outside of the US. Im pretty sure a bill has to get signed, and it won't take effect immediately. However if those tariffs do get put in place, it will incentivize companies to come back to america. Though Intel's foundry isn't as good as TSMC's foundry, I seriously want Intel company to get better. Even worse Taiwan is in danger by the CCP, so what happens if war breaks out there? Basically almost every tech company is kinda screwed because they heavily rely on TSMC's foundry to make these amazing world leading chips. Should TSMC also be important to america as a fallback or backup plan? Honestly I have more questions than answers. As we know having a monopoly gets rid of competition and potentially deals, theres is a such thing as too many choices, however there's mainly 2 companies making x86 cpus and 3 companies to make dedicated GPU's. Adding more to a competition is fine, adding too many manufactures to make cpus can be hard to follow up on who makes the best products for the money.
@Wkaelx
@Wkaelx Ай бұрын
TSMC probaly going to Japan or South Korea rather than the U.S if anything happened in Taiwan.
@niko2002
@niko2002 Ай бұрын
@Wkaelx Just speculations though, you might be right.
@Sashazur
@Sashazur 25 күн бұрын
They might come back to the USA but doing so takes years and billions. They may decide to wait it out and see what happens after Trump.
@chillin5703
@chillin5703 13 күн бұрын
The answer is that China is unlikely to invade Taiwan. Employing Americans without major labor violations is also too expensive. Jobs will go to an untarrifed country, or goods will get more expensive or both.
@niko2002
@niko2002 13 күн бұрын
@@chillin5703 Most likely true, I wouldn't doubt it, however, it is still possible that China could invade, even if it's highly unlikely. And also those comments were made before post trump victory. Trump is not in office until inauguration day, from there, we will see what's next.
@generalgeneric9358
@generalgeneric9358 3 күн бұрын
one month later and battlemage exists
@henry0113
@henry0113 Ай бұрын
Whats the background music in the video? It sounds very familiar like something from my child hood, is it a song from pokemon black and white?
@TheLinkedList
@TheLinkedList Ай бұрын
5:28 intel tried their hand at graphics cards years ago, when they were on top. It was called Larrabee and it was terrible
@mawnkey
@mawnkey Ай бұрын
Intel has tried graphics cards a couple times. The problem is that they never go full send. They just half ass it then turn it in to their next integrated graphics for laptops and servers.
@vylbird8014
@vylbird8014 Ай бұрын
The ARC cards are at least... well, not hugely impressive, but they do hold their own against similar-priced offerings from nvidia and AMD. Certainly better than the old Intel Shitsets. If Intel keep advancing their design they might well have a good product - but there is plenty of opportunity to screw it up yet.
@mawnkey
@mawnkey Ай бұрын
@@vylbird8014 Having been through the product cycle a couple times I can reassure you that's how it always starts out. Then it's relegated to another integrated chipset. I suspect it'll be no different this time.
@braveatnight
@braveatnight Күн бұрын
This is wrong in multiple ways. First: Developing a prototype for something is not a proper try at it. It's an exercise in feasibility Second: Larrabee was not a traditional GPU, it was a general purpose computing unit built on a GPU platform. Third: It cannot be terrible if it was never a product
@PeterEditzS
@PeterEditzS 7 күн бұрын
Whos here when intel made the b580
@aone9050
@aone9050 Ай бұрын
8:55 diverse cultures and peoples can lead to less workplace cohesion, so it's not all a good thing. It takes a carefully maintained merit based company culture to have diversity, and equity hires mean the company is losing out on the merit game at least by a bit.
@BladeTheWatcher
@BladeTheWatcher Ай бұрын
Interesting, 20 years ago AMD was just a small startup compared to Intel when it came to processors; even 10 years ago AMD was just the "alternative" to Intel. I guess it is the same as for all "too big to fail" companies - they get stale and lazy and bogged down in process, so bloated that they do virtually everything, so at the end the weight just drags them down so much they can't even keep up with the competition.
@alexander1989x
@alexander1989x Ай бұрын
Intel in the 90s: "Let's inovate the PC world with amazing new features" Intel in 2020s: "Does anti-competitive sh!t and still fails"
@rmoog1019
@rmoog1019 Ай бұрын
Don't even dare to kid yourself that having foundries in US will drive the prices down. They'll pull reasons out of their ass why it's even more expensive than if TSMC were in China and not Taiwan, like "Bob Swan needs a new tugboat, new golf course, and new summer home".
@plaidchuck
@plaidchuck Ай бұрын
Yeap or “but regulations” “but workers get paid too much”. Companies arent going to lower their prices for their patriotic duty or to help the little guy. Anything they make on profit gets hoarded until the next bad economy.
@chillin5703
@chillin5703 13 күн бұрын
​@@plaidchuckif the LAST one taught us anything, things will just get more expensive for no reason 😂😂😂
@esmolol4091
@esmolol4091 Ай бұрын
Intel relied too much on its brand name and its shady "wintell" agreement, until that corruption and hybris caught up to them in the end.
@bunjier4041
@bunjier4041 17 күн бұрын
8:42 there's your answer right there, plain and simple.
@pistolp8037
@pistolp8037 Ай бұрын
I always hated Intel. Used their CPUs one time, total disappointment. They eat up too much power, heat issues, and overpriced. AMD + Linux = FTW
@MoireFly
@MoireFly Ай бұрын
Respectfully, I think you could have researched Intels organizational failures a bit better, or glossed over more of the details and just focused on what it means now. The details of the historical narrative you're presenting don't add up.
@RohanSanjith
@RohanSanjith Ай бұрын
I remember when intel launched the Intel i7 6700k, it was a beast, destroying the desktop chip competition, I currently have Ryzen 7 3700x. But my next pc will have intel CPU in it maybe the core 7 265k.
@sonesh4207
@sonesh4207 Ай бұрын
Amd has officially priced the 9800x3d at 479 US$ , We are doomed.......Now AMD is slowly becoming the monopoly
@AlpineTheHusky
@AlpineTheHusky Ай бұрын
AMD has been pushing the pricing since they pushed out Ryzen 1000. They took an insanely costly gamble to get out a "win or bust"
@qT_p13
@qT_p13 Ай бұрын
How much would you expect it to cost?
@Lil.Yahmeaner
@Lil.Yahmeaner Ай бұрын
What are you talking about, Intel’s shitty new 285k is $600+ not to mention the new motherboard you need to buy since they changed the socket. 9800x3d is still AM5
@GraveUypo
@GraveUypo Ай бұрын
it's cheaper than the msrp of the 7800x3d, which was $500. but yeah... expensive for a octa core cpu. i wish they made a 8600x3d too.
@Gattberserk
@Gattberserk Ай бұрын
@@GraveUypo 7800X3D MSRP was $449. Not $500.
@Xytrophico
@Xytrophico Ай бұрын
this is probably why ryzen 9000 series was so mid
@Riyozsu
@Riyozsu Ай бұрын
I think it was because their io-die for zen 5 sucked so they pushed it back to zen 6 launch and re-design new io and carried zen 4's io to new generation. Zen 5 was supposed to work well with 8000mhz speeds. Zen 4 and Zen 5 ccds are bottlenecked by the io-die which is built on worse packaging technology.
@AlpineTheHusky
@AlpineTheHusky Ай бұрын
Well AMD is now hitting the issues Intel is hitting. Except AMD doesnt has to own the manufacturing fabs. Intel was optimizing for mature nodes and hardware feature rich architectures. AMD goes for the newest node possible with "as simple as possible" CPUs
@nicane-9966
@nicane-9966 Ай бұрын
the 9800x3d is far from suck, it literally saved this line
@Xytrophico
@Xytrophico Ай бұрын
@@nicane-9966 i wasnt talking about that, it was obviously going to be good i meant the non-x3d 9000 lineup
@LucasTowers__
@LucasTowers__ Ай бұрын
Resumee why it fall: 8:34
@dragster2932
@dragster2932 Ай бұрын
Thanks
@coment80
@coment80 Ай бұрын
It's fascinating how people emotionally attach themselves to corporations and their products. Maybe it's because people aren't religious anymore. Either way, products can be better or worse - people can be stupid or smart.
@yeungscs
@yeungscs 19 күн бұрын
well Pat Gelsinger "retired" today
@JenGM24
@JenGM24 Ай бұрын
Every school and the government pretty much uses untel, so is not fading anywhere🤦🏻‍♂️
@scottkrafft6830
@scottkrafft6830 Ай бұрын
Yeah, this is a bit of an overreaction. Almost all premade computers from companies like Dell and laptops like Chromebooks use Intel. Gamers are a tiny share of the market tbh
@QuantumS1ngularity
@QuantumS1ngularity Ай бұрын
Nah bro, the interest for the new Intel CPUs was at an all-time high, because we all wanted Intel to come up with something good and properly compete with AMD, forcing each other to innovate, keep progressing and keeping prices low. We already see the effects of AMD keeping 17 of the top 20 spots for the best selling CPUs - their prices just suck, especially compared to just 2-3 years ago. I bought my 5800X3D just a month after its release in MAy 2022 for just €300. €300 for the best gaming CPU at that time!!! Now the 7800X3D is €450+ and the new 9800X3D already appears at some retailers for €550+ or almost double the price of its grandaddy. 2 times increase in price in less than 3 years is not "inflation"" or "manufacturing costs" and it's NOT a good step forward. I truly believe intel deserve every single bit of the sh**storm that came their way and will keep on coming, but they will have to get up eventually and get their sh*t together. Turning to TSMC wasn't a mistake and was the first step in the right direction. Removing defects from the production line of a CPU fab isn't as simple as dusting and vacuuming the place. They have to go deep, find the flaws in their manufatucing proccess and the causes, eliminate them and only then resume their own manufacturing. This will take at best MONTHS, but realistically more than a year. In the meantime someone has to produce CPUs, so they can sell something and get feedback to know which way to go. What intel need right now is completely new architecture and platform and they know it. This 1851 socket will probably have really short lifecycle, most lickly a simple refresh of the 285, 265 and 245 CPUs and will switch to a completely different layout. They need it, cause this platform simply doesn't have what's needed to complete with AMD.
@dIggl3r
@dIggl3r Ай бұрын
Dude, love your content, but its been multiple videos were you can't and won't say or try to say people "difficult" names; I would try a Google Translate or something, it lowers the quality of your video when you can't say it correctly imo. 👍
@Anduuu077
@Anduuu077 10 күн бұрын
If you told me this 8 years ago, I would not believe it
@rebootcomputa
@rebootcomputa Ай бұрын
Intel havent been competitive for a while but to say they are hurting is over capital wise is just not true, they have tons of money, they pretty much own the Server side.. not just with CPUs.
@JohnSmithWesson
@JohnSmithWesson Ай бұрын
at least Intel has diverce and multucultural workforce, isn't it great?
@masterpiece5317
@masterpiece5317 Ай бұрын
Downfall of intel is a bad thing, no one will compete AMD so that means that same will happen when intel had the domination...
@redlt194
@redlt194 Ай бұрын
I'm glad you brought up his DEI and politics. Almost nobody will do that.
@yashkulkarni2840
@yashkulkarni2840 29 күн бұрын
Am I the only one who noticed the Pokemon black and white soundtrack in the background? Love that addition!
@Redslayer86
@Redslayer86 7 күн бұрын
Does AMD support their CPUs better than their GPUs? Because they cut support for GPUs that were still capable of playing games at low settings 60fps in the middle of the covid chip shortage, forcing me to move to a new card if I wanted driver support (so I bought a Nvidia card). If they have 5-6 year support for their CPUs as well, then I'm sticking with intel in my next build, since I'll be building a 10 year PC again, and the CPU is the most important key to that long term viability. Granted, CPUs don't have driver updates, so it should be harder for them to be assholes.
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