It's not that average people are buying 4060's themselves, they're buying prebuilts with 4060's in them. On top of that, you have to factor in Internet Cafe's.
@jbrone12416 ай бұрын
Was going to write the same thing.
@Zombie1016 ай бұрын
and laptops
@chocolatezt6 ай бұрын
People always forget that probably 99% of the people in the steam survey didn't build their own pc, didn't consider which parts are in the prebuild they bought and even if they did, they've been exposed to nvidia and intel for years through stickers on laptops and pcs that even if they consider which brand, they take what they know...
@stangamer11516 ай бұрын
Also in some markets AMD cards are almost non-existent. The only optioms are previous or current gen Nvidia cards. Since 4060 Ti is still the most recent card in this price range, people tend to choose it.
@suxkdaniles16776 ай бұрын
Also people with financial issues, if credit is your only way of obtaining a GPU then you're stuck with what a store stocks. In my case it was a 4060 at £299 or a 4060ti for £200 more. picked the 4060 because back in 2018 a 1050 2gb was costing me £200 and that was what i got stuck with for 4-5 years. look at it my way for £100 more than i paid last time i got 4x the ram and can actually play current AAA titles on a pc at medium-high, 1080p-1440p, when before wii emulation lagged and PUBG was so un-playable i gave up on pc,s as a hobby entirely.
@ra1n6066 ай бұрын
Zero fanboying Zero sponsorships 100% brutal honesty no one seems to want to hear on the internet
@danielrdotcom6 ай бұрын
I like to think most people respect a good back and forth and have loyalties in moderation. Gotta remember that you’re much more likely to talk if you feel strongly opinionated about a particular subject.
@comicsanz975 ай бұрын
Too bad bro relies on paid views, clickbaity thumbnails, and a 100% dependency on other reviewers for the content he posts.
@kiburi29034 ай бұрын
@@comicsanz97isn't too bad for me. His content focuses on just providing his own sentiments about what's happening around the tech world in general. Nothing is wrong with that.
@WhipplesMemesАй бұрын
He hates Nvidia so much
@oopdigdigfig97866 ай бұрын
The thing is...your average joe doesn't know or care enough about stuff like that. They see amd and immediately think of bad drivers. They see intel and ask themselves "who tf is that" (talking about the gpu market). So they are left with nvidia. At which point they go "what is my budget?" and purchase the first card they see
@alanx2166 ай бұрын
Point is most customers want their GPU to be able to do everything... AMDs terrible performance in raytracing etc is a major factor in them not selling to the average joe. You may say RT is not important but it is when you are spending $$$ on a GPU - it's like buying an iPhone that has a camera that shoots in 240p, it's buying a GPU with less features.
@A1mb0t_Fr0z3n6 ай бұрын
even average joe doesn't even watch reviews, he just goes to any store buy whatever highest the GPU he could buy in his budget from nvidia many people still believe that ray tracing is a nvidia specific feature, although irony is that rarely any of the budget cards can't even run on raster properly many people just don't know AMD is a proper well know brand, they just buy what brand they or their friends have heard about it
@schikey20766 ай бұрын
@@alanx216 your "average joe" for sure does not care about raytracing lmfao... ray tracing only matters to 3D artists (or people who do rendering stuff) and PC enthusiast .... (if you buy low and mid tier (rtx 4050 - 4070) gpus just to use raytracing, you are just screwing yourself here LOL) the only reason people buy nvidia more than AMD is because of branding and marketing... just like apple vs android phones..
@hachikuji_mayoi6 ай бұрын
@@alanx216 Lol? Ray tracing is in no way as important of a feature as a good camera in a phone, and amd isn't even that bad at raytracing. You'll get lower performance, yes, but it's not like the cards are unable to run most games with RT. Especially when most games that actually utilize it are console games which run on amd hardware anyway. It's more like buying a phone that doesn't have stereo speakers lol
@alanx2166 ай бұрын
@@hachikuji_mayoi This is the point, it's not important to YOU.... it is important to the average joe consumer that wants all the features possible.
@marcinmaj8486 ай бұрын
Lots of dealers across small markets kept AMD prices higher than Nvidia on purpose. It was the only way they could sell so outrageously priced GeForce. And they had A LOT of Nvidia cards.
@dylan-xp8ih6 ай бұрын
thats actually really interesting and nasty ngl
@NcloudАй бұрын
The reason Nvidia is high in price is because lots of engineers and software people buy high end rtx to train AI and do productivity. AMD has a long way to catch up so many just buy Nvidia.
@baka_ja_nai6 ай бұрын
Because AMD is as greedy as Nvidia and price matches them instead of going for the throat even when they have good GPUs. AMD intentionally ignores opportunities to grow it's market share.
@khlaps6 ай бұрын
Yes, this is why I bought 4080 super over 7900xtx
@SignusDav6 ай бұрын
@@khlaps if radeon and amd would put those gpus with less money they probably will won and they would sell more, if they just give those card like 150 $ maybe they would win against nvidia but alas that wont happen its a fact
@SG-Megatron6 ай бұрын
THIS. People thinking AMD is not as greedy as Nvidia is funny 😂. Both of their CEO is cousin or atleast related to each other.
@tomthomas34996 ай бұрын
That's true on release date, thing is even after aggresive price cuts, yet people still bought Nvidia, point in case rx6800 is consistently at sub $400, i even can find one right now at $370, yet people still prefer 4060ti 8gb which have worse value.
@baka_ja_nai6 ай бұрын
@@tomthomas3499 this AMD tactic "release overpriced and become competitive via deals/sales" doesn't work outside of US as much. Everything is based on MSRP where I live and cheapest 4060 Ti costs 1450 of our local currency Vs 2000 for cheapest new RX 6800. AMD cards must be 25-30% cheaper from the very start to have a chance - until they achieve feature and power efficiency parity.
@tomthomas34996 ай бұрын
Like Hub said, people want AMD to be competitive so that they can buy cheaper Nvidia instead, but in reality even after some aggresive price cuts no one actually buying Radeon, yet we still act surprised whenever Nvidia launched overpriced products, the blame is on us by keep buying their products 😂
@tguit-fiddler56926 ай бұрын
I mean I bought AMD brand new even, but my card isn't even on the steam hardware survey lol
@mohamedrafik92716 ай бұрын
Nvidia is just better. And I use AMD. I used Nvidia before, and it's just better.
@killkiss_son6 ай бұрын
@@mohamedrafik9271 better at what ? RT ? I have 50 games in my steam library and only 1 uses RT. It's Minecraft. I'm not going to buy an Nvidia GPU just to get 200fps in Minecraft RT instead of 150 ☠️☠️☠️
@Rullino326 ай бұрын
Does Integrated graphics count in scenarios like these?
@Goatcookie6 ай бұрын
@@Rullino32yeah the one in the laptop counts to
@Integroabysal6 ай бұрын
The problem is the fact that most ppl buy prebuild PCs and in the prebuild PCs and i mean the prebuilt ones that you go to the shop and straight up buy them without touching pc builder on the sites or stuff like that , 4060ti is more represented than 7700xt , i can find like 25 variations of prebuild PCs that have 4060ti installed in it while only 5 that have 7700xt and they usually only go with ryzen cpus and not intel. And to be fair , the TDP is also a factor , yeah 7700xt is faster , while drawing 100w more power that means not only your pc draws more power but it also produces more heat , witch can be detrimental in countries with 45C temperatures in the summer cause not only your video card is drawing more power but it also produces more heat witch in terms affect your cooling bill too
@reeboothemad55146 ай бұрын
I was going to post the same thing. Quite a lot of people just buy prebuilt PCs. Another factor is that Nvidia has CUDA. While it (hopefully) doesn't make anyone buy a 4060, it does make a lot of professional users disregard AMD cards. Every software worth its salt supports it and you are just not getting anything for AMD cards in most cases - there just is no alternative.
@killkiss_son6 ай бұрын
Honestly y'all thinking 100W is going to change a whole room's temperature significantly is hilarious. 100W is 0.1 kWh. You need 1.16kWh to add 1°C to 1m³. So if your room is 15m² with 2m of height, that's 30m³. To add 1° to this room you'll need 30 × 1.16 = 34.8kWh. 34.8kWh / 0.1kWh = 348 *hours* to heat up the room by 1 degree. Not taking into account losses. This is also an approximation, and a whole pc is maybe 400-500W of power so obviously it's faster but basically 100W is nothing compared to a whole room. ❤❤❤ Your whole pc would take 34.8/0.5=69.6 *HOURS* to heat up your room by 1°C , *AND WITHOUT TAKING LOSSES INTO ACCOUNT*
@killkiss_son6 ай бұрын
Correction: Honestly y'all thinking 100W is going to change a whole room's temperature significantly is hilarious. 100W is 0.1 kWh. You need 0.34Wh to add 1°C to 1m³. So if your room is 15m² with 2m of height, that's 30m³. To add 1° to this room you'll need 30 × 0.34 = 10,2 kWh. 10,2Wh / 0.1kWh = 102 *hours* to heat up the room by 1 degree. Not taking into account losses. This is also an approximation, and a whole pc is maybe 400-500W of power so obviously it's faster but basically 100W is nothing compared to a whole room. ❤❤❤ Your whole pc would take 10,2/0.5=20,4 *HOURS* to heat up your room by 1°C , *AND WITHOUT TAKING LOSSES INTO ACCOUNT* Yeah I admit my mistakes even when defending a brand I like. That's called not being a fanboy.
@juggernaut316Ай бұрын
Most people don't realize how big power draw and efficiency makes. Doesn't matter if AMD equals FPS for cheaper if it pulls 20% more power to do so.
@HerbertMuller-ek5iu6 ай бұрын
I would say its the prebuilds, not a lot of people build they're own pcs and the 4060ti pcs are often at that 800-1000$ price point.
@osopenowsstudio9175Ай бұрын
And that means Nvidia's monopoly locks the prebuilt companies from using AMD GPUs (either they have to make AMD worse in aesthetic or straight up discarded from Nvidia deal)
@ExoCalibra6 ай бұрын
Nvidia low end is overpriced because of overhyped high end and "exclusive" tech.
@mercurio8226 ай бұрын
Nvidias no Vram line up is overpriced and pretty useless.
@ThisGuyDrives6 ай бұрын
Overhyped sounds like a hater word.
@DenverStarkey6 ай бұрын
yes, but their high end is not "over hyped" as it is usually the best of the best. it's certainly overpriced itself. But you can't overhype something that is the hands down best in the world. that's like saying the russian Tsar Bomba was an overhyped nuclear weapon when it was litterally the biggest nuke ever made and twice as powerful as any thing the USA ever built nuke wise . it was a bomb that was so masive and did so much damage that when the russians tested it they decided to sit down with nato and the US and discuss banning atmospheric tests of nukes. well that's Nvidia's top end. a Tsar Bomba of video cards every generation. you can't overhype that. the issue here is folks buying their low end knowing damn well they are just little m-70 firecrackers compared to the nuclear weapons that the 4080 and 4080 are.
@SiiimpX6 ай бұрын
Over priced, yes, overhyped? You're pushing it. There's nothing that comes even close to their top card And even the one below it makes sense to buy for the average joe or even someone who knows about GPUs. Nvidia has been pushing new technologies since forever (physx,HBAO+ etc, FG, DLSS),AMD has only been following, acting like this success isn't "deserved" or comes from nothing is crazy hate
@ExoCalibra6 ай бұрын
@@DenverStarkey I hope you used ai to write all that. I overhyped = overpriced, you = overthink.
@EroFelipe5 ай бұрын
It's quite simple, we gamers are fools, we live in a monopoly, technically an oligopoly, in the CPU and GPU markets and we simply don't care, we are the embodiment of the meme "Don't ask questions just consume product and then get excited for next products", At least finding your channel was something cool in the last few weeks.
@omegaprime5163 ай бұрын
Well said. Buy ONLY what you need and save those shiny coins for rainy days (catastrophies in life). Dreams rarely work out but bad times do and often, that's why saving money is important. In good times many people piss money away than bad times come and they are screwed.
@pianissimo7121Ай бұрын
I am buying rtx 4060. It's 300 dollars in my country. Meanwhile rx7600xt is 450 dollars. Rx6600 is 250 but it's much slower. And 4060 apparantly has really good power consumption. +Points if I don't need additional fans. I saw 0 recommendation for any other cards compared to 4060, yet everyone hates it for some reason.
@ealinrohrig498624 күн бұрын
Your country is obviously an outlier. As far as I'm aware, in most countries (I can only speak for the US) it is TERRIBLE value. In the US it costs around 400 but both Intel and amd have much better price to performance like the 7700xt or the new arc b580 for $250 (if it ever comes back in stock)
@HanSolo__6 ай бұрын
People don't measure the performance of AMD and Nvidia cards 1 to 1. They take AMD native FPS and put it against Nvidia with DLSS turned ON 100% of the time - FPS.
@flamingophone6 ай бұрын
Its mostly the sheeps that do that. And whenever i try to introduce them to fsr they always complain at something
@leechanyeong4096 ай бұрын
@@flamingophone i use amd but fsr does lack compared to dlss but supported for even a rx 580 is legendary
@Nat-yf6ff6 ай бұрын
@@flamingophoneIn fairness FSR has significantly worse image quality than DLSS
@SimplCup6 ай бұрын
@@flamingophone at least talk about xess as an argument... cus fsr is just bad.
@flamingophone6 ай бұрын
@@SimplCup i told one of them about xess. He responded by questioning what was that
@braydoncrawford94606 ай бұрын
Personally - I've always owned nvidia Gpu's and intel cpu's. Ran a gtx1060 then 1080ti for 8 years or more and the 1080ti is still used as a 2nd pc today.. Recently built a new pc - Went with 7900 XTX and a 7800x3d after doing a lot of research and could not be happier The performance has been amazing i couldn't care less about raytracing although i have used it with the 7900xtx I think i have had 2 or 3 crashes after many hours of gameplay (500+) and honestly it could have just been game issues . Its never been something i can re-create was just a random crash Hats off to AMD i reckon - More ppl need to give them a go!
@Herr_Affe6 ай бұрын
If they go out of their way to improve prices for the non-"mainstream" countries (as far as technology consumption goes), more people might be willing to. In my country, AMD prices aren't actually better than Nvidia's. They also have less features, higher power draw (at least compared to the lower-end 40-series), worse resale value, and worse availability. That's a lot of reasons that stack against AMD, and not too many for it.
@SemperValor6 ай бұрын
People don't do their research and keep getting ripped off by Nvidia its crazy... Why pay more for less performance makes no sense but that's the average consumer for ya lmao.
@flixelgato12883 ай бұрын
That’s the thing: you did research and built your own PC. NVIDIA (for whatever reason, probably just scale) is hugely over represented in prebuilt systems, and many people won’t do much research but just buy whatever system fits their budget. Name recognition helps. AMD will have a hard time winning market share as long as they can’t get PC vendors to use their GPUs more. Even when AMD does price their GPUs competitively and undercuts NVIDIA, they still get outsold.
@anttiruo22 сағат бұрын
A year ago I bought a new 5800X3D for less than 200 €, a 5 year old motherboard and 64 GB of reasonably fast ram for about 160 €, a second hand but unused 850 W package PC PSU (good brand but bronze) for 65 € and a used 7900 XT for 650 €. I got myself a great flight simulator platform for many years at a price of a 4080. I'm unlikely to ever touch Ray Tracing nor Frame Generation. I can probably even upgrade the GPU once. Only playing at 75 Hz, it's the frame rate stability, not speed, that matters for me. The performance is just astonishing.
@beso4676 ай бұрын
Another thing is availability, it took me MONTHS to find a well priced amd gpu as every store in my country didn't bother to sell them, and who did they just sold it with a very overpriced price. While nividia 4060 was being sold at a very VERY competitive price its crazy
@Deceit-hx7ey6 ай бұрын
Wow, may i ask what continent are you from? Here in europe(from where i'm from) nvidia gpu's are more expensive, or at best, msrp.
@beso4675 ай бұрын
@@Deceit-hx7ey im from jordan
@XBDanilo26 күн бұрын
Same here in Brazil !l
@jovanpejic6 ай бұрын
80% of GPU sales are through other companies that install these cards in already finished computers and the user gets a finished computer. How many people are there in this world and how many subscribers does each tech channel that deals in detail with hardware have? Usually around 200-300k but up to 2-3 million max. We here are less than 1% of PC users. What we think is so in this circle. Outside it is totally different. See 1 company that favors AMD graphics over nVidia.
@Dalkian6 ай бұрын
Reviewers keep emphasizing 1440p, but forget that 1080p is still the most popular resolution. It's not hard to see why it is so popular when you really think about it. 1. A lot of consumers don't know enough, but brand familiarity sways in nvidias favor. 2. Their budget doesn't allow for anything stronger. 3. They might have upgraded from an ancient system, meaning it is a massive improvement for them. 4. The increase in power draw combined with the increase in prices of electricity over the last few years also affects gpu choices. 5. Access to dlss. 6. The games they play might not need anything stronger than that. 7. They play at 1080p to make their system last for as long as possible, this includes tweaking the settings to what they feel is optimal for them. 8. The prebuilt section taking up a sizeable chunk since a lot of people don't know how to build a pc by themselves.
@Hu55a1n6 ай бұрын
I can relate with the power draw thing. as my bills are high for me, so I opted for amd cpus as they take less power now will upgrade my gpu to rx 560 4gb to rtx 4060ti or rtx 4070 super when my money is saved up. either way both will be a huge upgrade for me. also 1440p gaming is still expensive for me, I am still good for 1080p gaming. 😊 I went from intel i7-7700 to ryzen 7 7700.
@Azeliniana6 ай бұрын
As someone who still plays 1080p and want dlss and good ray tracing yeah. As crazy as it may sound for 1080p i am upgrading to a r7 7800x3d and 4070super soon. Might try 1440p but probably will stay at 1080p. Am someone who rather have double the fps instead of looking little bit better.
@tmsphere6 ай бұрын
but again if you game at 1080p DLSS is a pointless feature for you, and AMD still has the better price to performance on all cards from budget to hi-end, non of this comes together.
@Dalkian6 ай бұрын
@@tmsphere A low cost gamer already knows what it means to sacrifice eye candy for playability. How did you even reach a conclusion that dlss is pointless at 1080p?
@fish_R_stinky696 ай бұрын
And Nvidia runs DX11 better.
@Akky_086 ай бұрын
If it's about gaming only AMD wins easily, but when it comes to productivity, it's hard not to go Nvidia. My friends don't just game on their PCs, they do editing, 3D design, a 16GB 4060ti isn't as bad of a card when it is on sale. Most people want to buy new and are afraid of buying 2nd hand cards so there are even less options around 400-450 euro.
@Fronioll99736 ай бұрын
Nvidia cards also are power efficient
@lemonke53416 ай бұрын
Nvidia gpu and ryzen cpu ig
@Fronioll99736 ай бұрын
@@lemonke5341 yep
@TheRealName76 ай бұрын
@@Fronioll9973not the case with the higher end Nvidia GPUs. With amd GPUs u can undervolt and power limit and u can make a card consume 10% less power while having stock or even better than stock performance.
@Fronioll99736 ай бұрын
@@TheRealName7 the fps also decreases by doing that
@meudta2936 ай бұрын
So with good marketing you can sell literally shit 💩
@NL-846 ай бұрын
😢
@bilirain6 ай бұрын
i mean apple doing it so ?
@NL-846 ай бұрын
@@bilirain I think selling excellent material very expensive is different from selling junk material very expensive
@bilirain6 ай бұрын
@@NL-84 ehh apple selling same shit every year
@gonderAmh3 ай бұрын
Its not only about marketing, Nvidia is on the market for decades and they built a strong reputation over the years, while AMD started poorly and built a very negative reputation for a long time before the Ryzen series. And are now trusted regarding the CPU; but not yet regarding the GPU
@Riyozsu6 ай бұрын
Intel has monopoly on pre built PC's cpus and Nvidia has monopoly on pre built PC's gpus. Thats the reason amd hasnt already have alot of market share. Intel and Nvidia can just bribe suppliers to not sell AMD stuff.
@thewildcard6006 ай бұрын
in Intel's case, bribery money might be getting short soon depending on how the defective 13th and 14th gen cpu situation developes 😅
@valentinvas64545 ай бұрын
During my university days I also realised that lots of people buy gaming laptops as well and like 90-95% of those have Nvidia dGPU.
@chacharealsmooth9416 ай бұрын
the average Joe doesn't care about those presentations and lies companies do to promote their products, neither they care to hunt to down graphical downgrades when using upscaling. It's mostly about brand names.
@Rullino326 ай бұрын
That's also true for phones or computers.
@jurijkratz4792Ай бұрын
Most 4060 PCs are sold to costumers who don't have a clue about gaming PCs. All they see is, wow a 999 $ PC, what a deal, need to buy it.
@yasu_red6 ай бұрын
Something that bothers me a lot are people who buy a lackluster RTX card just because it has DLSS like it's some kind of silver bullet, even if the similarly priced AMD GPU is still faster when using native resolution. Not saying this applies to every price point, but it certainly applies to some.
@Fronioll99736 ай бұрын
@@yasu_red bro the prob is that amd is only max to max 10 fps faster .
@Kdog3076 ай бұрын
Maybe for you in your prebuilt hp Walmart pc lol
@williehrmann6 ай бұрын
I only buy for raytracing. What can I do with a 7900XTX when it delivers almost half the fps with RT on in Alan Wake 2 of a 4070 ti super. Went for the 4070 ti super and got a good av1 encoder and DLSS on top. What do I need above 4080 raster power for. Raster is never the bottleneck today. RT is the bottleneck. Buying AMD is the same as pairing a 10 years old 3770k with a 4090. Totally unreasonable. A 7900XTX or any other AMD card has too muchraster power for its RT power. So you're basically wasting die place for stuff that never will be used unless you play old games. But once you turn on rt the raster cores are chilling their ass of waiting for the rt cores to bring more data. Those two need to be balanced and nvidia is a loooooot better at that.
@Fronioll99736 ай бұрын
@@williehrmann absolutely right man
@SiiimpX6 ай бұрын
You also get: reflex, FG, AV1 encoding, And Nvidia is, because of MANY years releasing features for games and sponsoring them, far more popular
@deathrager24045 ай бұрын
speak for yourself. the last nvidia gpu i bought was a 1080ti, which is still decent in 2024.... thats 7 years later and it was bought 2nd hand. i got an amd cpu in my rig right now 5600x , bit outdated but not really outdated. still gets the job done.
@b3as_t6 ай бұрын
It's because of the brainrot market. Nvidia's consumer market is now very similar to apples consumer market. People do 0 research and jump straight to the most popular company, I mean it's the most popular right? So surely its the best, literal Chiwawa's who follow the loudest voice. Then you have people with brains who do a little research because they value their money. It's not like you have to spend hours either, just a few google searches, some reviews on YT and bam. You've most likely found a card that you need.
@AAjax6 ай бұрын
Yep, entirely this. It's not DLSS, CUDA, etc., because normies don't know what that stuff is. The truth is that Nvidia is the most popular because... Nvidia is the most popular. None of the normie gamers want to explain to their normie gamer friends that they bought something those friends think is second best due to "value".
@Kdog3076 ай бұрын
All my research led to nividia hahaha 😂 ur brain rotted
@alfredlordtennyson54646 ай бұрын
And even all this for what? being able to run the latest game? I could wait 5 years to play a today's game (in max settings) because that's the bulk of gaming we have today already .we gotta satisfy our needs, not greeds And Nvidia is simply selling us our GREEDS
@arenzricodexd44096 ай бұрын
if that's the case AMD will never gain any market share against intel. AMD come with good CPU and they gain market share against intel. it is the same with GPU.
@b3as_t6 ай бұрын
@@arenzricodexd4409 Do you realise how long it took for AMD to start getting as much market share as intel? Intel still have 65% of share, and that's only on the steam hardest survey, there's an event bigger disparity because of how much intel dominated at the begining.
@V1CT1MIZED5 ай бұрын
I got an ASUS TUF 7900XTX for £790 which was nearly £300 cheaper for the same model in the 4080 super. If they priced them like that day one, they would be raking the money in.
@Lynnfield34405 ай бұрын
4070 super shouldn't even be over 450. Current prices are delusional.
@ethaneaves_045 ай бұрын
nah now you just don’t know what you’re saying, be reasonable, the cheapest a 4070 super should be is 500-525 lol
@ethaneaves_045 ай бұрын
not saying ur wrong but just be reasonable with how society is rn and the current market
@Lynnfield34405 ай бұрын
@@ethaneaves_04 a GTX 960 was on par with the last gen flagship for way less then the 650 a 4070super costs, and a 4070super isn't faster than the last gen fastest card either. It's just terrible value. The best card is a 4060 and even that should be about half the price realistically if you look at what tier the card is.
@BastyTHz6 ай бұрын
cos many game dev only optmized for nvidia.. since they are their sponser, even bungie did 4060ti is actually the real 4060, while 4060 is actually 4050. since they use AD106 and 107 meant for 60 and 50.
@talibong95186 ай бұрын
That's not been true for over a decade, games are designed with AMD in mind and fully optimised for Ryzen and RDNA because that is what is in consoles. What Nvidia does is pay developers to use their tech for certain graphical options instead of AMD's or some other open standard.
@tmsphere6 ай бұрын
games benchmark videos ive seen tell a very different story. Just bc it has a green logo on it doesnt mean jack shit just as well as if it was a red logo its just the game dev taking money to advertise a GPU for you, it never meant anything.
@vextakes6 ай бұрын
This just isn’t tru. Consoles are built on AMD and we see many games (more than 50%) running better on AMD
@roller43126 ай бұрын
AMD has the entire console market (short of the switch ) for themselves for over a decade now. And consoles are the things games are optimized and made for. AMD has an unbelievable advantage and still can't compete, it's actually astonishing how incompetent they are.
@anthonynehoda20645 ай бұрын
No, because in GPU rendering benchmark 4060ti has almost the same score as rtx3080, no way its 4050/4060
@Blackwing23456356 ай бұрын
The another thing - some time ago AMD was a pretty good option for number crunching - more raw power and mem for the same or lower price. But as non-gaming gpu market has been growing - amd did nothing and became basically useless in most cases. Nvidia was very much interested in pushing CUDA, far before AI and mining booms. When I studied multithreading computing in general and specific GPU computation (like temperature gradients simulations) at uni - we were learning CUDA. Nvidia was trying to make GPUs something more in gaming with PhysX. DLSS is basically a side product of their bet on tensor computing and NNs. Can't say for sure, but with their tendency to broaden their reach outside of gaming - it is probable that their real time ray tracing in gaming is a side product of trying to reach professional render market. For AMD, on the other hand, Radeon always has been a side hustle. And now, with their success with Ryzen, but still limited resources - it is better for them to focus on CPUs (and, probably, on ARM), where they have a great odds. With GPUs - they are in a much worse place, less chances to get money invested back. It would be great, if they were pushing their GPUs harder. I'm sick of Nvidia providing borderline usable amount of VRAM in gaming GPUs.
@ninjashep526416 күн бұрын
I think there’s several reasons NVIDIA is way more popular 1. DLSS & Day Tracing is what NVIDIA rules the market in. They do it best 2. Price differences between countries. I went with the RTX 3060 12GB for only $250 when converting CAD to USD bc a nice sale. AMD didn’t have anything as good around that price range 3. NVDIDA is a better known brand so casuals are more likely to go with them
@cxngo81246 ай бұрын
I work at a PC hardware store in Canada called CanadaComputers. Most of the 4060ti's sell in prebuilds because there is no AMD competition for prebuilds. If someone does try to buy a 4060ti I have always convinced that person otherwise. Either get the 4060 or get the 7700xt which has been the same price as the 4060ti for a long time.
@Youngie7616 ай бұрын
I am wondering if the number is thrown off because there is a lot of 4060ti's in laptops and I remember this happening with the 1060. The steam HW list wouldn't make a distinction between the desktop/laptop version.
@vextakes6 ай бұрын
There is also a gpu called “4060 ti laptop GPU” to account for this. Which ig would mean the 4060 ti is actually under represented there…
@JonDoe-gi5zf4 ай бұрын
I Was about to buy a 4070 TI 12 GB of Vram for a total of $934.00 Then before I clicked by now, I asked myself how much crack did I smoke that day? ? ?
@thisguysgaming72463 ай бұрын
I think a rtx3080 is a good deal now
@TRVSHTVLKTV6 ай бұрын
the problem really isn't the average joe, it's more the enthusiast building community not voting with their wallets. high end dictates low end
@HedgehogY2K6 ай бұрын
The reason why people keep buying Nvidia hardware in my mind is that those GPUs are a fleshed out investment. They do everything and it's only in recent months that AMD has finally got their hardware suitable for streaming, but that still leaves other features on the table for AMD to fully introduce whilst Nvidia already supports them. If you don't need a bunch of features, AMD is considered the cheaper option, which begs the question-WHY do so many people think that they need these features? AMD RDNA 2 and onward will complete most of these tasks already, it should be about time AMD GPUs should be rising.
@Unknown-ve6vp6 ай бұрын
I'm convinced that those who bought the RTX 4060Ti (for gaming) must have been high on something.
@gamer_4896 ай бұрын
😂
@Unlucky17766 ай бұрын
High on Nvidia meat
@KJTD6 ай бұрын
Or - Uneducated on this; don't care; don't know; don't trust AMD; like the brand
@YT_2436 ай бұрын
Yes,they must have been high on some serious sh*t 😂
@Unknown-ve6vp6 ай бұрын
@@KJTD It seems like you bought that GPU
@ravenger24456 ай бұрын
I bought a 4060 Ti 16gb ($430) because it was the best GPU my 450-watt PSU could handle. If I had bought a better value GPU and a new PSU, I would have been getting less value for my money. That's it, clean and simple.
@ganthc6 ай бұрын
I have a 4060ti 16gb I upgraded on a prebuilt that came with a 1660ti. It was a massive increase in performance. I think it’s a pretty solid card, despite the relentless push to say it’s trash.
@asa-ze1kn6 ай бұрын
if you bought a 850w for 100 and a rx 6800 for 340 it would have been way better and allowed for further gpu upgrades in the future
@ravenger24456 ай бұрын
@@asa-ze1kn Dang
@asa-ze1kn6 ай бұрын
@@ravenger2445 if it works for you 🤷
@panjak3236 ай бұрын
@@ganthc but it's trash though. It should have been at least 20% faster to be a true 3060ti successor. Also it shouldn't have been 500$ on launch, 420 at most, with price dropping to 370 after a year.
@jangelelcangry6 ай бұрын
2:07 Because almost everyone on the tech space was drooling of how of an good deal the RTX 4090 Was/is. Remember the Tech YES! City's Can of beans?
@tmsphere6 ай бұрын
But barely anyone buys them they're way off off of most ppl's budgets.
@ISeeQuality-ox8ku6 ай бұрын
@@tmsphere you say that but the fact of the matter is Nvidia has sold as many 4090's as AMDs entire RDNA 3 lineup let that sink in.
@MGViolent6 ай бұрын
It’s simple. CUDA cores. People who also value productivity apps, no matter their opinion on NVIDIA, whether they’re a fanboy or not, they will be pushed towards choosing their GPUs. Because of those cores, which are only exclusive to NVIDIA GPUs, AMD is lagging behind them in terms of performance in productivity.
@Kdog3076 ай бұрын
Facts.
@stevenostrowski65526 ай бұрын
There are definitely people that go for NVIDIA due too productivity and if you need a graphics card for productivity you can be the biggest AMD fanboy there is and still would have no reason too buy an AMD card but honestly most people that buy graphics cards are casual gamers that dont know what cuda cores are how much VRAM they need for there setup and games or what differences between DLSS and FSR exist, they might not even know what upscaling generally is. Most people are still on 1080p monitors and dont spend 500+ euro or dollars for a graphics card were the current gen cards from nvidia actually become competitive. The reason these people buy Nvidia because its the most popular and they all heard about Raytracing and thats it. My father for example bought a 4060ti because a 4070 was out of his price range, he knows AMD has graphic cards but he did default too buying NVIDIA just because its NVIDIA and he wanted too try Raytracing which the card can barely handle.
@Turbosmooooth6 ай бұрын
Productivity is literally the only reason i go with Nvidia. So you're spot on.
@stevenostrowski65526 ай бұрын
@@Fractal_blip Good choice honestly AMD graphic cards just seem way more future proof if you only need them for gaming. I recently bought a new pc and had the choice between the 4070super and 7900gre, went for the 7900gre eventually. My PC's main purpose is Gaming and working but my work only really contains MS Office and some Chat-GPT aside from that some movie streaming and thats it even in this price range AMD was the proper choice for me. The 12gb VRAM a 4070super delivers will sooner or later not be enough considering i use a 3440x1440p monitor. DLSS and Framegen would have been nice but you know once 5000 series releases and they do major updates for DLSS the 4000 series cards will probably be locked out of these features as NVIDIA did the same too 3000 series cards for framegen even though they are capable of using it. AMD FSR recently got a framegen update and even though there are only a handful of games supporting it so far it even works on older RTX cards. Raytracing is also kinda overhyped so far, it was not nearly as visually pleasing for me as i thought it would have been seeing youtube videos but i so far i tested only CP2077, Eldenring and BF2042.
@mckinleyostvig71356 ай бұрын
CUDA cores + NVENC. Everyone wants to be a streamer or KZbinr. NVIDIA has no competition when it comes to encoding.
@toddmcdonough6 ай бұрын
I have a 4060. I got it against most reviewer recommendations. Why? Well, the 4060 in particular is extremely efficient and therefore I had no reason to upgrade my 450 watt power supply saving $50 to $100. It also takes advantage of Nvidia's superior DLSS which allows you to bump resolution up one step with virtually no downside. Last I had one bad experience with an AMD card not running well on one of my older games. I also play a lot of older less demanding games and the added power is just not needed.
@baka_ja_nai6 ай бұрын
I downgraded from 4090 to 4060 Low Profile when I built my 5L backpackable PC. AMD simply has nothing even closely matching for SFF cases.
@mercurio8226 ай бұрын
DLSS with an 8GB vram buffer is a suttery mess, you should just have bought a 7600xt
@Fronioll99736 ай бұрын
It doesn't sttuter 😂 I have it and it doesn't even with rt And btw 7600 XT is just like 5 to 6fps faster in only a few games but in rt it can't even compete . + Dlss ain't like your ass fsr 🤣 It doesn't look blurry it looks like native @@mercurio822
@lilpain19976 ай бұрын
@@mercurio822Well this is very dependent on game and settings. And you didn't read the comment at all.
@mercurio8226 ай бұрын
@@lilpain1997 did read and you bought a bad GPU an inferior product, most older games dont have and dont need DLSS. so any argument you have is invalid right there. And AMD have an built into driver solution if you are in need of scaling resolutions among other things, frame gen etc but at this point, DLSS and FSR are pretty useless compared to lossless scaling on steam, its better then all other solutions.
@myrtlekenazjanairo94115 ай бұрын
when the RTX 4060 was released, i hated not the card but the price. 9 months later, I bought it. I need a card that use less power and is efficient since I'm only running on solar power paired with an AMD Ryzen 5 5600. The RTX 4060Ti though, I can't stomach the price and is literally useless for me.
@szshz5 ай бұрын
Guys let me tell you the truth: PRICE, most gamers are ok to spend between 300-500 for a GPU but with the current prices ? Noway I'm buying a 4070 at 700-800$
@ninjatall156 ай бұрын
My reason for sticking with Nvidia is not necessarily drivers but CUDA and TensorRT, if only there was a way to use TensorRT on AMD then i would switch platforms. There's also DLSS and VR performance, I really want to switch to AMD but the 7800xt disappointed me being a minor improvement over 6800xt.
@alexbourg41656 ай бұрын
For me the choice of Nvidia>AMD is simply because AMD dropped development of Liquid VR and don't work on game Optimizations. Why would I go with the company that has decided to ignore my use case?
@hoffyc.h3935 ай бұрын
I have AMD 6700XT Red Devil and AMD Ryzen 7 5700g and loving it :D
@takehirolol59626 ай бұрын
The thing is that the planet outside the First World does not have deep pockets or are not willing to spend a lot on a PC unless that PC makes money for you. Even worse that PC parts are more expensive for us.
@tmsphere6 ай бұрын
This.
@roklaca31386 ай бұрын
Finally someone says it, prices of everything pc here are criminal...an 12 gen i5 with rtx 4070 and 32gb of ram go for 2500eur here...ridiculous
@astrea5556 ай бұрын
not only they insult us but they're trying their hardest to replace you, too. They already got me :( Still buying Nvidia. AMD isn't anywhere near cheap enough to compete in term of image quality/price ratio, just because of DLSS. Nvidia also had better OpenGL and even vulkan support, as well as Blender support (I gave up on blender/art myself, due to AI, but it's still an argument in favor of Nvidia)
@marcinmaj8486 ай бұрын
They had a nice lineup in RDNA3. RX 7900 even does the ray tracing. Nvidia just gave 4070 more performance, 4070Ti more VRAM and 4080 lower price. Targeting the issues and nailing them. AMD needed 7900GRE to clock faster, 7900XT and 7900XTX to have lower prices. They fixed the GRE too late. 7900XT/XTX are still expensive.
@asa-ze1kn6 ай бұрын
when amd can exceed nvidia cards using dlss while rendering natively 😱
@SnappBacc17 сағат бұрын
Well, AMD seems to have been taking the approach of focusing mainly on CPUs and putting GPUs as the "extra service" yet still going above and beyond for that "extra service". That's actually kind of embarrassing for Nvidia when you really think about it, yet somehow they still have these crazy sales 💀
@Alvin8536 ай бұрын
One problem is that reviewers always do like for like comparisons, but gamers pretty much always use DLSS, which makes NVidia a much more compelling option than AMD at any price point.
@thepurplebandit38596 ай бұрын
When you prefer native resolution over bloated frame gen fps, it ceases to matter as much. RT performance is a much bigger motivator
@idontfeelsogood20636 ай бұрын
On AMD just use LS1 or LSFG2.1 (Lossless Scaling) if FSR is not available.
@Lionel2120016 ай бұрын
It's RTX and DLSS but FSR 3.1 is very promising too. AMD needs to up its ray tracing ante and they are working on it.
@autumn_breeze6165 ай бұрын
Personally I hate DLSS, I always play at native if I can bc everything else looks like muddy crap to me
@kelvinchan85416 ай бұрын
A large number of consumers just buy ready to ship builds or custom builds from shops base on proce/budget. They're just happy it works.
@cks51486 ай бұрын
What is your take on Intel 13th and 14th K SKU CPU blue screen issues ? Do you know 13th and 14th CPU even crashing on W680 chipset workstations ?W680 is workstation chipset , cant overclock , only run in stock memory and stock power profile . Do you know how important game servers is for on line gamers ? Do you know high latency problem on these Intel CPUs ? Have you tried LatencyMon on your Intel PC ?
@Kdog3076 ай бұрын
Yea. With My nividia-intel-msi hardware has Ben the best combo yet. Amd has always Been slower
@shanent57936 ай бұрын
W680 motherboards can overclock there RAM, but only at 1.1V
@vextakes6 ай бұрын
I’m cookin something rn 😉
@yasu_red6 ай бұрын
@@cks5148 There are people dismissing this as user error still and it just baffles me. W680 systems having numerous problems when they usually have very conservative settings is a very bad sign.
@thefilthycasual4486 ай бұрын
@@Kdog307what makes it slow?
@tech4u20226 ай бұрын
It all has to due with the games people really play vs what youtubers do benchnmarks with. No PC gamers that need any of the latest games unless you buy every single latest buggy game with no guarantee it will run at all. The games are a mess and the latest GPU's are using more and more power which is a big trade-off for many people and is almost never considered in reviews. Guess what ? I know gamers that still use their old GTX1650 Super and still don't feel the need to upgrade ! And for good reason : the power usage is getting out of hand for next to nothing in return (gamers do NOT need raytracing and such). Reviewers need to point out that all these new hardware nonsense is still very much the same nonsense as nonsense ever can be ...
@__-fi6xg6 ай бұрын
had 2 AMDs in the past. I want Nvidia next for ai stuff that is just plug and play, AMD apparently doesnt give a shit about that at all.
@TheRealName76 ай бұрын
Well no, cuz AI is gay.
@__-fi6xg6 ай бұрын
@@TheRealName7 yeah AMD is totally cool for gaming, more performance on low and mid tier for sure. But absolute horseshit for AI stuff.
@TheRealName76 ай бұрын
@@__-fi6xg with that I can agree with, that's just the truth, amd gets smoked by Nvidia when it comes to AI
@MrVuckFiacom6 ай бұрын
AI works for me. AMD homies should lookup "NOD AI shark". I run it on my 7900xtx and get about 18-24it/s The 24GB VRAM is nice for me.
@tmsphere6 ай бұрын
AMD is the most basic plug and play software there is for any GPU, its really one of the few places they outdo Nvidia completely is the gaming compatibility and plug & play nature what they lack in features.
@GlyNkaa6 ай бұрын
i love how you keep uploading interesting videos about interesting subjects, keep em coming
@JKras7796 ай бұрын
Nvidia is like Apple in a lot of different ways. Their price to performance is disgustingly bad. I was thinking of buying a new GPU because I've had my current one for little over three years and want to try new games. The problem is that if you want to go for Nvidia you can't get a decent GPU under 700$ unless it's second hand but since I don't like not knowing what someone did with their gpu that checks off. AMD is a beast in my opinion since for around 700$ you can get a brand new 7900 xt which can run most games in 4k and that's what ill be going for. Also I had AMD my whole life starting with the rx 460 to rx 560 and now rx 6600 and I can safely say that I've rarely had any problems with these gpu's. Most people don't understand how they're being scammed by Nvidia to the point that they're paying, in some cases over 2 thousand dollars for a brand new 3090 when there is an AMD graphics card for 70% less that completely wipes the floor with it.
@tmsphere6 ай бұрын
7900xt on sale is a very good price to performance tho still not a budget card, it demolishes anything I throw at it at native 1440p with everything Ultra RT off 120fps+. This card can do one thing well and that's gaming, ppl who buy Nvidia just to play video games are really missing out and paying for Cuda and NVENC they'll never use.
@DraconianEssence6 ай бұрын
Wrong, I have the $7,900xt. I bought it when it was $900 Plus. Every modern game envelope at 1440p has been at least around 130 FPS give or take. I have also used it while rendering videos at 1440p, hosting a server a private one at that, watching KZbin with multiple tabs open while talking on Discord. So to sit there and say this card can only do one thing is completely false and shows pure incompetence on what you actually know about it. People actually need to do some research before they spew nonsense. The amount of people in this comment section going AMD bad in the video good just shows how many people stick their head in sand and go la la la.
@JKras7796 ай бұрын
@@DraconianEssence By reading your comment I can't tell if you have brain damage or what. But can't be bothered either way lol
@KlaudiuszegАй бұрын
Its because due to the gpu shortage people learned to play older games and mmorpgs that dont require that much power and upgrading from 2060 or even 1060 or 1660 to 4060 ti is huuuuge upgrade for them no matter what. These people just like me got lost in the past and played little or no games at all and just remembered old nvidia being superior so they went for it instead. I too was considering getting this gpu upgrading from 2060, but then i decided to get 6750 xt for my casual mmo playing for a lot cheaper thanks to youtubers i watch. I saved around 70$ for same performance. There are millions people like me who dont have time to do research and watch yt videos about gpus...
@ravijotsingh78316 ай бұрын
Surrounding also influence your decision. This way Nvidea wins also. The 2nd hand market is good for Nvidea and when that kind of discount is there people are ready to let go AMD and opt Nvidea. For me I am considering 3070ti for 25k when 3070 is at 21k and 3060ti at 19k. 6700xt is for 20k used. We can get new RX 7600 for 25k and 4060 for 27.5k. so I can opt for RX7600 when on offer it drops to 21.5k. So my options are used 3070ti or RX 7600 new with a 12400f with H series mobo for temporary and then change to AM5 with a good GPU in Hand. I will solve this mystery but the option of 3070ti is really logical for meaningfull purchase. The AMD service centre are also in question in India. Intel and Nvidea rule here in India because of there service and availability. Also budget segment products of these 2 are cheaper as compared to AMD except RX6600.
@siddhantbisht61215 ай бұрын
Where cam i find used graphics cards in India?
@ravijotsingh78315 ай бұрын
@@siddhantbisht6121 I am looking on facebook marketplace. Also trying to collect some info on zoukart... let me know how you are considering it.
@Ignisan_664 ай бұрын
As a Radeon user (RX 7800 XT) the only reason I went with AMD is because of price, 7800 XT was cheaper than 4070 super and better in raster performance than 4070. It's a good rasterization card and has a high vram but that's it. It's ray tracing is unusable in most games without heavy FSR and since I absolutely despise FSR (can't stand the ghosting and shimmering) I can't use ray tracing with native 1440p res. Radeons are basically just newer GTX cards, forget about ray tracing or DLSS on these cards. I tried to delude myself that I don't care about ray tracing or DLSS but I do. They're great features to have. If I had more money I would buy 4070 super. Now I'm stuck with this brick. Buyers remorse is setting in. 😔
@PeypaMikko-18426 ай бұрын
Man, as much as I enjoyed my AMD RX 6700 XT, I had to switch to an NVidia 4070 Super for "better" video editing... Still too expensive of a GPU (even though I managed to get it for 440$ second hand). I will gladly switch back to an AMD GPU when they bring some good encoders to the table. Still loving Radeon family.
@alanx2166 ай бұрын
Just seems to be the way that nvidia is ahead for software, features and overall utility. People who want to save a few dollars and get a few more frames in a game will buy an AMD but overall they are missing out on a full feature set, for instance why would you spend $900 or whatever on a 7900XTX but have terrible performance in RT/PT etc, they will say RT/PT doesn't matter but it definitely does when you spend almost $1000 on a GPU.
@ThePgR7776 ай бұрын
You bough a AMD card, then you found out and now you back with Nvidia
@paulojamesminimoisaac78586 ай бұрын
@@alanx216 you have some point on RT/PT but usually people buy high end cards for also running at higher resolution, and at 4k, even a 4090 struggles with PT unless you turn on dlss performance and frame gen to get a decent fps.
@paulojamesminimoisaac78586 ай бұрын
@@alanx216 and we're in an era where we get frame gen and upscaling to reach high fps, makes much sense because alot of displays are now high hz which feels much better than turning on RT/PT just to dip back to 60fps below
@alanx2166 ай бұрын
@@paulojamesminimoisaac7858 Put it this way bro buying an AMD is like buying an iPhone with missing features, idk something like the camera only shoots in 240p... I'm not saying AMD cards are bad but for the average joe buying a GPU, they want all the features and it just doesn't make sense to buy something with bad performance when you can get something at a similar price with better overall performance using all features.
@timothywells85896 ай бұрын
I have a used 3090 but when buying the card my primary 2 concerns were does it have CUDA and does it have 24gb VRAM. Untill AMD sort out the hot mess that is ROCm then it's not even a competition. So many people on the Llm forums complaining that they got ROCm to work only for it to break a few days later. I really hate that the ONLY choice when buying a GPU at the moment is Nvida but honestly AMD and Intel need to do better.
@mohamedrafik92716 ай бұрын
The fact is: Nvidia is more stable. I have AMD gpu and I love it. But I used Nvidia too, and Nvidia is far more stable. Also, Nvidia is selling it's gou's for everyone, individuals and corporations, and even small businesses like internet cafe's and game zones. I don't imagine a small business like an internet cafe or a game zone is going to risk buying an AMD, because even if the performance is better, AMD gou's are not plug and play, and are not stable, and they tend to crash way way more than Nvidia. And that's a fact. Some fanboys are going to get mad when they read this, but it's just a fact. A 4060 is a bad value, but its not going to crash when you play at high settings 1080p or 1440p with dlss. But an AMD gpu like 6700XT or 6800XT or one from the 7000s series, is going to crash even if it's giving a better performance and higher fps.
@ridleyroid90604 ай бұрын
One thing you have to consider is this: different marketplaces will have different prices. Currently, the 4060TI here is going at $560 here in Serbia, the 7600XT is at $510, while the 7600 is at $430 and 3060 is at $320 on cheaper models. It is an absolutely shambolic market and I reckon a lot of markets will vary ( I hear brazil isn't fun for this sorta shite). 4060Ti is a shit proposition in America yes, but in Europe where it goes for almost $200 cheaper than the 7700XT...It may be a good bargain (here it is $200 cheaper than the 7700XT)
@attepatte84856 ай бұрын
NVIDIA has features like the upcoming G-Assist but that being said I don't care which gpu you have it's your money. Also it nowadays feels like AMD doesn't bother to try like "ahh NVIDIA is going to beat us anyway so why bother competing".
@moravianlion31086 ай бұрын
You need "AI" to explain to you what's happening in front of you or what game settings to set? How brain dead are you?
@tmsphere6 ай бұрын
Well at the mid range AMD smoked Nvidia this gen. 4070ti Super vs 7800xt-7900xt.
@7lllll5 ай бұрын
20:06 i buy computers as general purpose machines without knowing what it will be used for. i don't know what new software i'll start using in the next 4-8 years, so lacking some feature can be a problem
@jaylenjames3646 ай бұрын
AMD need better marketing. Also, they should make their naming conventions closer to Nvidia. So average people know which AMD GPU is similar to a specific Nvidia GPU.
@vvhitevvizard_6 ай бұрын
hell no! AMD needs better compatibility with NVidia features like CUDA, DLSS.
@TheRealName76 ай бұрын
@@vvhitevvizard_no, native will never compare to an upscale image. Id rather get a good AMD card and run it on native resolution than get a Nvidia card price equivalent and use an upscaler just to get a shittier image quality.
@GRIGGINS16 ай бұрын
One of the reasons people by Nvidia over AMD is AMD Fanboys. Some will take one look in this very comment section. See how the AMD supporters are acting. And literally choose Nvidia instead. And before you say people don't do that. People actually do that all the time. Just look at the comment sections of other KZbinrs that cover Nvidia and AMD. And one of them is posting this comment right now.
@vvhitevvizard_6 ай бұрын
@@TheRealName7 I didn't say DLSS is better than native, but its good to have an option for performance optimization, isn't it?
@DemiosOctavo6 ай бұрын
I'd buy amd GPUs if they had more capable cards but they don't. I don't use my gpus for just gaming, I use them for gaming, rendering and local AI. So basically buying an AMD card is buying something with 1/3 of the of the functionality for my use.
@thedarkshadow53476 ай бұрын
I think this could be summed up into : if you are willing to overpay for a better card buy nvidia but if ur on a tight budget and trying to afford all the parts buy from AMD
@talon17066 ай бұрын
Nvidia cards support more VR headsets. AMD does not support my Varjo Aero. The 4090 is awesome for this.
@TheRealName76 ай бұрын
@@talon1706VR is for nerds, only a casual gamer likes VR, no real gamer is out here caring for VR
@themecha47Ай бұрын
I have been buying team red GPU's and CPU's for literal years and especially using linux and a tricky distribution like arch. I have had zero complaints about my hardware ever having bad drivers, exceptionally poor performance or failing, or have felt that prices i was charged to purchase hardware were unfair or unreasonable. If i have a bad experience i will try team green IF and WHEN they release a product that suits my needs at a price i can afford
@Derively6 ай бұрын
Another issue with AMD is their naming scheme. Nvidia is using the same naming since 2008, so we know each time what is entry, mid-range, high-end, and their expected prices. But AMD is changing it like every 2-3 generations. In the same time we had HD6000, HD7000, R9 200, R9 300, RX 400, RX 500, 5000, 6000, 7000. And they change the naming of the tiers too. It's confusing.
@adamkallin51606 ай бұрын
Nvidia just has so much (deserved) historical brand recognision at this point that it’s simply the default choice for non-techy gamers. Same reason you’re gonna crash and burn if you try to compete with Sony Playstation, unless you have something extremely good to offer.
@schnitzel_enjoyer6 ай бұрын
"Why is nobody buying AMD card?" Surely not because they can't do ray tracing and FSR's bad image quality.
@roklaca31386 ай бұрын
Niether can any nshittia 60 series so no excuse
@schnitzel_enjoyer6 ай бұрын
@@roklaca3138 you're a mad coping fanboy
@roklaca31386 ай бұрын
@@schnitzel_enjoyer nope, i have 3060ti, speaking from experience, 60 series are junk for rt
@azurita_eclipse6 ай бұрын
@@schnitzel_enjoyer bro the 60 series are too weak to even run ray tracing, and since they are both 1080p cards using dlss will make it look bad.
@schnitzel_enjoyer6 ай бұрын
@@azurita_eclipse 60 series is the lowest end nvidia card, do you expect 4090 level ray tracing performance out of it? The fact that 60 series cards beat high end amd cards at ray tracing says a lot.
@qubes87285 ай бұрын
Lol the consensus. Really is the consensus indicates the number of people that buy items based on KZbin content recommendations is measured in views. It’s not like “good news” gets clicks. If everyone made decisions based on HUB recommendations and every other tuber out there then no one would buy a single card. His 7900xt review was the most brutal piece of tech tube I’ve ever witnessed.
@alipaiman38055 ай бұрын
No offense.....nothing enticing about amd except for the price of course.....but this price is justified as amd lack features that nvidia offer....thats all.
@ukoi953415 күн бұрын
mind you price advantage that is almost inexistent outside of US
@velazkid6 ай бұрын
RDNA3 has been a failure. I constantly hear about driver instability issues. Every 3 months theres another Driver debacle like Anti Lag+. Thats not even including the complete and miserable failure of FSR. Their framegen is nice but the upscaler cant even compete with Intels XeSS. Its not hard to see why Radeon is failing, and contrary to every AMD fanboy, consumers are smart enough to pick up on that. Its not brain rot, its savvy shoppers understanding Radeon is not a good bet.
@tmsphere6 ай бұрын
FSR sucks but drivers have been incredible going on for a year now since switching to AMD.
@velazkid6 ай бұрын
@@tmsphere happy for you. But that doesn’t mean anything for consistency. On the whole, driver issues have been a constant issue for Radeon. Whether it be something as broad as Ratchet and Clank having RT disabled for Radeon, or driver timeout and black screen issues. Just because you haven’t been affected doesn’t mean these issues don’t exist. For instance, just because you don’t play CS2 and didn’t get banned when you turned on AL+ doesn’t mean others didn’t.
@fredsorre66056 ай бұрын
Why are we asking a question we already know the answer to the AMD Radeon brand is in its last legs it has little to no market share and its mindshare on the basic consumer mind set is practically zilch AMD should know since they had a dead brand with their Athlon and Phenom CPU's/APU's its the reason why they had to rebrand to Ryzen the only issue now is that they only give all their attention to friggen Ryzen after the success of that branding all while Radeon continues to falter which is sad cause Radeon kept them afloat while they got their act together the only reason why SONY and Microsoft used a crappy Bulldoshit CPU on the PS4 and XBOX one was cause AMD could give them a decent GPU along with it at the price they were wiling to pay.
@curbthepain3 күн бұрын
It's sad because regardless, till AMD brings their transcoding up to snuff, I can't *not* have a 4060 sff for its transcoding alone. We will see how the 9070/xt turns out, but based soley on the "FSR4" demo, I'm at least hopeful.
@nickvirgili29696 ай бұрын
Honestly everything going on right now makes it hard to care about it.
@HedgehogY2K6 ай бұрын
RDNA 4 is just gonna be the RDNA 3.5 that the Ryzen 9000 series will be getting? I mean hey, RDNA 3.5 has actually turned out to be a bigger improvement than we thought by itself, so maybe this won't be so bad. I think they're just biding their time for RDNA 5 to pop off the RX 9900XT while the 8800XT covers their back with effeciency.
@shiftyhoot6 ай бұрын
cause they think need cuda core, raytracing (sure they looks good) but tanking the performance in entry and mid range GPU , they always talk how streaming and editing video is better on Nvidia which is true but how many % people who own NVIDIA actually use it for making money? my oppinion still stand if you want very high end GPU for editing and streaming or doing complicated physics you didn't have a choice get Nvida, but if you using your GPU for gaming, little bit Editing, little bit 3D rendering ,most of the time microsoft office work and watching movie or listening to music just get an AMD, it will serve you well with lower price.
@WizzDude6 ай бұрын
I just left a comment criticising your mic quality but you should ignore that because in this video it is fixed and very nice
@duxnihilo6 ай бұрын
Reviewers and commenters are so disconnected with the reality of the consumer, it baffles me. AMD makes ZERO SENSE for the vast majority of people.
@thefilthycasual4486 ай бұрын
How as the vast majority of people need a decent CPU and GPU that they can play games, and have a dozen chrome tabs open, and be fairly priced. The average Joe wants to come home from work and game well at high FPS. RT be damned. You want to sacrifice 50% performance to have shiny windows?
@bull_dog_846 ай бұрын
2:15 I upgraded from a 2060 Super to a 4060 Ti 16Gb , Now at the launch price point it was a bad buy don't get me wrong but I managed to find a Brand New Card for £380, After I sold my 2060 Super and an old phone i didn't need or want anymore I managed to get it at just £170, Which at that price was worth it IMO, Also preforming way better than expected TBH
@Villager_U6 ай бұрын
AMD GPUs is only good at gaming, their gpu support on 3D software is just a joke... For eg, an RX 580 is still a capable card for rendering but amd don't even bother to add HIP support for these older card. Some 3d software like Blender requires amd gpu with HIP support or you can't use your gpu to do the rendering.
@moravianlion31086 ай бұрын
What do you even want to render with RX 580 or it's nvidia equivalent? I recently bought 7900 xtx and run with it things 16Gb 4080 can literally only dream of. I regularly max out all my 24Gb that cost me only $900. It's a steal both for high end gaming and content creation (unless you're building a 24/7 render farm). "but amd don't even bother to add HIP support for these older card" Meanwhile, nvidia 10 series that needs DLSS the most gets blocked too (happens to be RX500 generation counterpart). While FSR can easily run on those 10 series just fine.
@ValkisCalmor6 ай бұрын
Why is this constantly brought up in these discussions? When we're talking about what you need for your individual use cases yes, it's definitely worth considering, but NVidia isn't pulling 80% market share because average Joes are all super into 3D rendering and just never talk about it. We're talking about mass market appeal, 90% of the consumers don't know what CUDA is and most of those that do only know it from that article they saw about how many cores the new card has.
@thefilthycasual4486 ай бұрын
My fucking me. You are actually talking about a 2017 GPU I have in my own pc 😂. My guy, I don't expect it to do shit in Blender.
@thefilthycasual4486 ай бұрын
@@ValkisCalmorexactly my guy. Most people will never use CUDA, RT or upscaling. Most people just need to do work, browse the web and maybe game here and there.
@DilbertCronicles6 ай бұрын
tried to look for AMD GPU in my locale.. found that there are no authorized dealer and only private dealers for GPUs. private dealers tend to stock items that are easier to sell or not affected by future price cuts as any losses are borne themselves with no subsidies by manufacturers. Thus, there's only NVIDIA available in my market, very few AMDs, totally no INTEL GPUs, and mainly 1 to 2 generations old cards as their prices are rock bottom.
@edrtsdf6 ай бұрын
switched from a pre built pc with AMD integrated graphics which i bought in 2021 for £600 to a 4060 prebuilt on sale for £799 original price was £999 going from 30fps on rocket league to 500 on it with a 4060 was huge for me so i think the 4060 was worth it for what i do.
@TheBalrogwillpass6 ай бұрын
yep integrated graphics have always been pap, just something to put a picture on the screen while you rma the g card you've blown up, or the g card has failed.. it's meant for super basic tasks like surfing the web to get drivers etc.. NOT for gaming, although they prob can run the original Doom at full chat!
@dp27thelight96 ай бұрын
AMD is unreliable. A lot of Linux Community praises AMD on linux tell they realized AMD has never reliably offered opencl on Linux while Nvidia has had a stable cuda driver for 10-15 plus years now on Linux. I would have been on Linux day one of dxvk if it wasn't for having an AMD GPU. Nvidia GPUs easily offer dlss, ray tracing and VR in Linux. AMD has plenty of odd ball issues on windows as well. User's don't care about performance or price. They just want everything to boot/launch on they're PC. Same issue with snapdragon x. People just want the hardware to run correctly.
@fish_R_stinky696 ай бұрын
And DX11 runs bad on AMD.
@TheNumberWas6 ай бұрын
Ahhh aren't gonna mention power efficiency at all ?
@DominoCinematic5 ай бұрын
The 4060 TI is put in A LOT of pre-built PC's here in EU.
@Theworthsearcher6 ай бұрын
Don't forget, that the most popular GPU is the 7800 XT in Germany.
@Spicysauced6 ай бұрын
Yeah its like almost half and half here, don't know why. They strong nvidia bias seems to be mostly Murican.
@yasu_red6 ай бұрын
@@Spicysauced Nvidia is also very common in internet cafes, which inflate the stats in steam hardware surveys.
@roller43126 ай бұрын
The Germans love to support the underdog and in case of amd cpus it actually even worked quite well.
@Recxist6 ай бұрын
No dlss + no rtx
@Theworthsearcher5 ай бұрын
Dear @@Recxist , DLSS is not supported i very game and it is a fake thing. It iss better to set the game to 1080 p on a 4K monitor. On a 1440P it is a big problem. That is not a good resolution. And Frame Gen wisse is AMD a lot better, than nvidia but those are also fake frames. So these SW realted things are just cheatings. SSo I would better use 1080P native. Maybe with frame gen, if the frames are high enough for that (240 FPS) becausse of it causes bigger latency. rtx is still a joke. Only 4090 is good for that but still a lot worse, than without it. Most of the people use higher FPS, than rtx. On my opinion we still have to wait 2 generations for good rtx/path tracing, which is lot better, than rtx. There are some comparisons about it in cyberpunk. But everybody does with their money, what they want. If they want the best card, they will buy a 4090. If they want a good price/perf card, they will buy 7800 XT, or 7900 GRE, maybe 7900 XT. 7700 XT has only 12 GB of VRAM. And for cheaper solutions there is 6800 non XT, 6700/XT, or 6600/XT and 7600, hese are all good cards for that price.
@aceofthemaces6 күн бұрын
I went for NVIDIA with my rig upgrades solely because monster hunter wilds spec. I was going to keep my 1080 in my system, but there was a hardware limitation with the pascal series that made it unable to play wilds at all
@ThePgR7776 ай бұрын
AMD fanboys make a lot of noise on KZbin, they have to justify their purchase, the rest just play games lol
@Laur3526 ай бұрын
ok, then how do nvidia fanboys justify paying more for the same performance? dont get me wrong, I was a nvidia fanboy, but for 600$ my 7800xt is as good as the 4070, which was 25% more expensive EDIT: meant to say 7800xt, not 6800xt, mb
@ThePgR7776 ай бұрын
@@Laur352 6800 XT 50% more power consumption, DLSS 3.5, even AMD Antilag+ is only supported by RDNA3, not RDNA2
@alanx2166 ай бұрын
@@Laur352 turn on raytracing then what... You will say RT doesn't matter but it definitely does when you spend $600 on a GPU.
@UncannySense6 ай бұрын
@@ThePgR777 still doesn't explain why gamers bought the 1050ti instead of the RX6600. where you typically pay more for Nvidia for less performance. As for power saving Unless you're testing at the wall reported power use is not accurate and the amount of actual money saved over the average GPU ownership period is less than any upfront cost when upgrading. I had a choice between a 4060 and an RX6800...I got the RX6800 undervolted it under 200watts and get more FPS with native resolution compared to the GPU with DLSS...
@Laur3526 ай бұрын
@@alanx216 rtx does not matter, it's just eye candy good for showcasing games. it does not help gameplay. racing games, dont need raytracing, shooters, dont need raytracing, strategy games, mobas, mmorpgs, none of them need raytracing. Raytracing is like having racing lines on a normal car, it looks nice, but it doesnt make it faster EDIT: and at 600$ you get either 7800xt that can use all 16gb of vram, or a 4060 ti with 16gb but not enough bus memory to use all 16Gigs at once on any game
@haroldasusus46848 күн бұрын
The competition simply needs to step up. Idk how a computer company can slack this much when it comes to the upscaling
@HoldinContempt6 ай бұрын
The reason why we buy Nvidia and will always buy nvidia is their drivers. Thats it. all your promotion of AMD means nothing because as soon as someone is gullible enough to waste money on an AMD GPU only to discover that it is broken and they have to spend hours trouble shooting it only to find theres no fix for their game and then they switch to nvidia and its just plug&play without issues and you understand why people would spend 1000$ on a 4060ti before they would buy an AMD card. Benchmarks mean nothing they are just arbitrary numbers on a screen. I need a GPU that functions correctly without issues and I have been burned no less than SIX TIMES by the AMD cards that I have bought over the years. Never again. I dont want to pay 2X or 3X more for a GPU than i have to but My choice is buy a working GPU or a broken GPU.
@user-im8bv8po2w6 ай бұрын
i have had amd gpu and cpu my whole life and you're right, i would probably buy an nvidia for my next card.
@stevenostrowski65526 ай бұрын
All this talk about AMD drivers being bad seems horribly outdated too me. I switched too amd end of 2020 with a rx570 8gb i bought of from a friend that has used it for like 3 weeks but found a good offer for a 6000series, i didnt make a conscious decision of switching too amd i just did it cuz he gave me the opportunity and i knew my gtx960 4gb was outdated. I never had a single driver issue with that card, recently bought a whole new rig with a 7900gre threw half my steam catalogue at it and still didnt encounter any issues. Only problem i had with amd was my new am5 based MB having USB issues under high performance games but i managed too fix that within 10mins.
@user-im8bv8po2w6 ай бұрын
@@stevenostrowski6552 i dont think it's outdated. when nvidia just works and amd is working most of the time, it's still frustrating as a gamer
@qrogueuk6 ай бұрын
I've brought a lot and advised people to buy Nvidia cards (in the triple figures) over the years. Since my first Geforce 256 DDR, as a system builder for others and my own house hold. Currently running RX580 and RX5700XT with no driver issues. I've watched Nvidia get greedy over of the years. This has played AMD hand to also jack up pricing which is bad for those that buy and use GPU cards.
@Ronin-rk6iq4 ай бұрын
On Linux, it is the opposite situation where AMD drivers are plug and play on Linux while Nvidia drivers aren't as good(but I have heard that they are improving with the 560 nvidia driver).
@Apostle_of_Fate6 ай бұрын
Nvidia profile inspector is really good and helps me improve image quality substantially, rtx hdr and hdr and upscaling for KZbin are a bonus. I am playing on an oled lg c2 42 inch. If AMD improves upscaling, rt and gives hdr software then I will consider switching back to them. There are compromises, no company is perfect.
@misodev6 ай бұрын
actually can't believe how cheap amd cards are now
@yasu_red6 ай бұрын
They're dominating in the low and mid range. No way in hell was I going to get an RTX 4060 over an RX 6750 XT for $300 a few weeks ago, I already consistently use over 8gb of VRAM in many games.
@fenrysk7 күн бұрын
i would love to continue buying team red, even went with a 7900 GRE this generation, but the features portion with the encoders is killing me and i feel like i gotta start saving up for a team green card next generation or two.
@pwnomega45626 ай бұрын
Its because people hear 'DLSS' and 'FRAME GEN' and 'RTX' and..... '8GB OF VRAM' and then people proceed to cream their pants. Also the more we judge things in pure raster the harder it is for Nvidia to deceive us with AI tricks and force them to make anything else but their enthusiast class halo products have actual meaningful performance gains.
@ZulkSOD2 ай бұрын
Just bought a 4060 because my 2060 blew up, wanted to hold out a bit longer but 🤷 I think the survey is inflated because of the price of cards in brazil etc
@musictorin6 ай бұрын
I bought a 4060 because it was the cheapest card I could find at best buy, and it's much better than my old GTX 1060 6GB. I have a cousin who works in tech that told me to avoid AMD's GPUs since he says that most of the time whenever someone comes in with a GPU problem, it's an AMD one
@rck-lp73896 ай бұрын
I have just made the switch and now i'm waiting for my RX 6800. 4070 Performance for 150 less was a no brainer
@MaraHeld-ev7xw6 ай бұрын
Good for you. But in most markets rx 6800 is only available in used condition due to the fact that amd isn’t producing them anymore. And it still sucks in RT compared to 4070 and lacks dlss, that might be a problem if that card gets older.
@rck-lp73895 ай бұрын
@@MaraHeld-ev7xw 6800 had very loud coil whinning and now I need to wait till I can afford a Rtx 4070
@batonnikusКүн бұрын
@@MaraHeld-ev7xw it has FSR and 16 gigs of vram, the card that should fear being completely obsolete is 4070 with 12gigs of vram.
@alvinjun56696 ай бұрын
bro do u know Internet Cafe or PC bang around the world??? that's the answer ur question why so many buy it' its for business
@ramal5708Ай бұрын
4060, 4060 Ti and Ti 16GB would be great GPUs if they cost, i dunno, 50-100 bucks less then what they're selling. people would buy 220 bucks 4060 and even 350 bucks for a 4060 Ti 16 gb, with that price it can be competitive with the 7600XT and the 6700XT