It's not that average people are buying 4060's themselves, they're buying prebuilts with 4060's in them. On top of that, you have to factor in Internet Cafe's.
@jbrone1241Ай бұрын
Was going to write the same thing.
@Zombie101Ай бұрын
and laptops
@chocolateztАй бұрын
People always forget that probably 99% of the people in the steam survey didn't build their own pc, didn't consider which parts are in the prebuild they bought and even if they did, they've been exposed to nvidia and intel for years through stickers on laptops and pcs that even if they consider which brand, they take what they know...
@stangamer1151Ай бұрын
Also in some markets AMD cards are almost non-existent. The only optioms are previous or current gen Nvidia cards. Since 4060 Ti is still the most recent card in this price range, people tend to choose it.
@suxkdaniles1677Ай бұрын
Also people with financial issues, if credit is your only way of obtaining a GPU then you're stuck with what a store stocks. In my case it was a 4060 at £299 or a 4060ti for £200 more. picked the 4060 because back in 2018 a 1050 2gb was costing me £200 and that was what i got stuck with for 4-5 years. look at it my way for £100 more than i paid last time i got 4x the ram and can actually play current AAA titles on a pc at medium-high, 1080p-1440p, when before wii emulation lagged and PUBG was so un-playable i gave up on pc,s as a hobby entirely.
@ra1n606Ай бұрын
Zero fanboying Zero sponsorships 100% brutal honesty no one seems to want to hear on the internet
@danielrdotcomАй бұрын
I like to think most people respect a good back and forth and have loyalties in moderation. Gotta remember that you’re much more likely to talk if you feel strongly opinionated about a particular subject.
@comicsanz97Ай бұрын
Too bad bro relies on paid views, clickbaity thumbnails, and a 100% dependency on other reviewers for the content he posts.
@kiburi29032 күн бұрын
@@comicsanz97isn't too bad for me. His content focuses on just providing his own sentiments about what's happening around the tech world in general. Nothing is wrong with that.
@oopdigdigfig9786Ай бұрын
The thing is...your average joe doesn't know or care enough about stuff like that. They see amd and immediately think of bad drivers. They see intel and ask themselves "who tf is that" (talking about the gpu market). So they are left with nvidia. At which point they go "what is my budget?" and purchase the first card they see
@alanx216Ай бұрын
Point is most customers want their GPU to be able to do everything... AMDs terrible performance in raytracing etc is a major factor in them not selling to the average joe. You may say RT is not important but it is when you are spending $$$ on a GPU - it's like buying an iPhone that has a camera that shoots in 240p, it's buying a GPU with less features.
@A1mb0t_Fr0z3nАй бұрын
even average joe doesn't even watch reviews, he just goes to any store buy whatever highest the GPU he could buy in his budget from nvidia many people still believe that ray tracing is a nvidia specific feature, although irony is that rarely any of the budget cards can't even run on raster properly many people just don't know AMD is a proper well know brand, they just buy what brand they or their friends have heard about it
@schikey2076Ай бұрын
@@alanx216 your "average joe" for sure does not care about raytracing lmfao... ray tracing only matters to 3D artists (or people who do rendering stuff) and PC enthusiast .... (if you buy low and mid tier (rtx 4050 - 4070) gpus just to use raytracing, you are just screwing yourself here LOL) the only reason people buy nvidia more than AMD is because of branding and marketing... just like apple vs android phones..
@hachikuji_mayoiАй бұрын
@@alanx216 Lol? Ray tracing is in no way as important of a feature as a good camera in a phone, and amd isn't even that bad at raytracing. You'll get lower performance, yes, but it's not like the cards are unable to run most games with RT. Especially when most games that actually utilize it are console games which run on amd hardware anyway. It's more like buying a phone that doesn't have stereo speakers lol
@alanx216Ай бұрын
@@hachikuji_mayoi This is the point, it's not important to YOU.... it is important to the average joe consumer that wants all the features possible.
@marcinmaj848Ай бұрын
Lots of dealers across small markets kept AMD prices higher than Nvidia on purpose. It was the only way they could sell so outrageously priced GeForce. And they had A LOT of Nvidia cards.
@dylan-xp8ihАй бұрын
thats actually really interesting and nasty ngl
@baka_ja_naiАй бұрын
Because AMD is as greedy as Nvidia and price matches them instead of going for the throat even when they have good GPUs. AMD intentionally ignores opportunities to grow it's market share.
@khlapsАй бұрын
Yes, this is why I bought 4080 super over 7900xtx
@f2pgpb993Ай бұрын
@@khlaps if radeon and amd would put those gpus with less money they probably will won and they would sell more, if they just give those card like 150 $ maybe they would win against nvidia but alas that wont happen its a fact
@MadridistaFrierenАй бұрын
THIS. People thinking AMD is not as greedy as Nvidia is funny 😂. Both of their CEO is cousin or atleast related to each other.
@tomthomas3499Ай бұрын
That's true on release date, thing is even after aggresive price cuts, yet people still bought Nvidia, point in case rx6800 is consistently at sub $400, i even can find one right now at $370, yet people still prefer 4060ti 8gb which have worse value.
@baka_ja_naiАй бұрын
@@tomthomas3499 this AMD tactic "release overpriced and become competitive via deals/sales" doesn't work outside of US as much. Everything is based on MSRP where I live and cheapest 4060 Ti costs 1450 of our local currency Vs 2000 for cheapest new RX 6800. AMD cards must be 25-30% cheaper from the very start to have a chance - until they achieve feature and power efficiency parity.
@tomthomas3499Ай бұрын
Like Hub said, people want AMD to be competitive so that they can buy cheaper Nvidia instead, but in reality even after some aggresive price cuts no one actually buying Radeon, yet we still act surprised whenever Nvidia launched overpriced products, the blame is on us by keep buying their products 😂
@tguit-fiddler5692Ай бұрын
I mean I bought AMD brand new even, but my card isn't even on the steam hardware survey lol
@mohamedrafik9271Ай бұрын
Nvidia is just better. And I use AMD. I used Nvidia before, and it's just better.
@killkiss_sonАй бұрын
@@mohamedrafik9271 better at what ? RT ? I have 50 games in my steam library and only 1 uses RT. It's Minecraft. I'm not going to buy an Nvidia GPU just to get 200fps in Minecraft RT instead of 150 ☠️☠️☠️
@Rullino32Ай бұрын
Does Integrated graphics count in scenarios like these?
@GoatcookieАй бұрын
@@Rullino32yeah the one in the laptop counts to
@ExoCalibraАй бұрын
Nvidia low end is overpriced because of overhyped high end and "exclusive" tech.
@mercurio822Ай бұрын
Nvidias no Vram line up is overpriced and pretty useless.
@ThisGuyDrivesАй бұрын
Overhyped sounds like a hater word.
@DenverStarkeyАй бұрын
yes, but their high end is not "over hyped" as it is usually the best of the best. it's certainly overpriced itself. But you can't overhype something that is the hands down best in the world. that's like saying the russian Tsar Bomba was an overhyped nuclear weapon when it was litterally the biggest nuke ever made and twice as powerful as any thing the USA ever built nuke wise . it was a bomb that was so masive and did so much damage that when the russians tested it they decided to sit down with nato and the US and discuss banning atmospheric tests of nukes. well that's Nvidia's top end. a Tsar Bomba of video cards every generation. you can't overhype that. the issue here is folks buying their low end knowing damn well they are just little m-70 firecrackers compared to the nuclear weapons that the 4080 and 4080 are.
@simpx2844Ай бұрын
Over priced, yes, overhyped? You're pushing it. There's nothing that comes even close to their top card And even the one below it makes sense to buy for the average joe or even someone who knows about GPUs. Nvidia has been pushing new technologies since forever (physx,HBAO+ etc, FG, DLSS),AMD has only been following, acting like this success isn't "deserved" or comes from nothing is crazy hate
@ExoCalibraАй бұрын
@@DenverStarkey I hope you used ai to write all that. I overhyped = overpriced, you = overthink.
@meudta293Ай бұрын
So with good marketing you can sell literally shit 💩
@NL-84Ай бұрын
😢
@bilirainАй бұрын
i mean apple doing it so ?
@NL-84Ай бұрын
@@bilirain I think selling excellent material very expensive is different from selling junk material very expensive
@bilirainАй бұрын
@@NL-84 ehh apple selling same shit every year
@DalkianАй бұрын
Reviewers keep emphasizing 1440p, but forget that 1080p is still the most popular resolution. It's not hard to see why it is so popular when you really think about it. 1. A lot of consumers don't know enough, but brand familiarity sways in nvidias favor. 2. Their budget doesn't allow for anything stronger. 3. They might have upgraded from an ancient system, meaning it is a massive improvement for them. 4. The increase in power draw combined with the increase in prices of electricity over the last few years also affects gpu choices. 5. Access to dlss. 6. The games they play might not need anything stronger than that. 7. They play at 1080p to make their system last for as long as possible, this includes tweaking the settings to what they feel is optimal for them. 8. The prebuilt section taking up a sizeable chunk since a lot of people don't know how to build a pc by themselves.
@Hu55a1nАй бұрын
I can relate with the power draw thing. as my bills are high for me, so I opted for amd cpus as they take less power now will upgrade my gpu to rx 560 4gb to rtx 4060ti or rtx 4070 super when my money is saved up. either way both will be a huge upgrade for me. also 1440p gaming is still expensive for me, I am still good for 1080p gaming. 😊 I went from intel i7-7700 to ryzen 7 7700.
@AzelinianaАй бұрын
As someone who still plays 1080p and want dlss and good ray tracing yeah. As crazy as it may sound for 1080p i am upgrading to a r7 7800x3d and 4070super soon. Might try 1440p but probably will stay at 1080p. Am someone who rather have double the fps instead of looking little bit better.
@tmsphereАй бұрын
but again if you game at 1080p DLSS is a pointless feature for you, and AMD still has the better price to performance on all cards from budget to hi-end, non of this comes together.
@DalkianАй бұрын
@@tmsphere A low cost gamer already knows what it means to sacrifice eye candy for playability. How did you even reach a conclusion that dlss is pointless at 1080p?
@fish_R_stinky69Ай бұрын
And Nvidia runs DX11 better.
@IntegroabysalАй бұрын
The problem is the fact that most ppl buy prebuild PCs and in the prebuild PCs and i mean the prebuilt ones that you go to the shop and straight up buy them without touching pc builder on the sites or stuff like that , 4060ti is more represented than 7700xt , i can find like 25 variations of prebuild PCs that have 4060ti installed in it while only 5 that have 7700xt and they usually only go with ryzen cpus and not intel. And to be fair , the TDP is also a factor , yeah 7700xt is faster , while drawing 100w more power that means not only your pc draws more power but it also produces more heat , witch can be detrimental in countries with 45C temperatures in the summer cause not only your video card is drawing more power but it also produces more heat witch in terms affect your cooling bill too
@reeboothemad5514Ай бұрын
I was going to post the same thing. Quite a lot of people just buy prebuilt PCs. Another factor is that Nvidia has CUDA. While it (hopefully) doesn't make anyone buy a 4060, it does make a lot of professional users disregard AMD cards. Every software worth its salt supports it and you are just not getting anything for AMD cards in most cases - there just is no alternative.
@killkiss_sonАй бұрын
Honestly y'all thinking 100W is going to change a whole room's temperature significantly is hilarious. 100W is 0.1 kWh. You need 1.16kWh to add 1°C to 1m³. So if your room is 15m² with 2m of height, that's 30m³. To add 1° to this room you'll need 30 × 1.16 = 34.8kWh. 34.8kWh / 0.1kWh = 348 *hours* to heat up the room by 1 degree. Not taking into account losses. This is also an approximation, and a whole pc is maybe 400-500W of power so obviously it's faster but basically 100W is nothing compared to a whole room. ❤❤❤ Your whole pc would take 34.8/0.5=69.6 *HOURS* to heat up your room by 1°C , *AND WITHOUT TAKING LOSSES INTO ACCOUNT*
@killkiss_sonАй бұрын
Correction: Honestly y'all thinking 100W is going to change a whole room's temperature significantly is hilarious. 100W is 0.1 kWh. You need 0.34Wh to add 1°C to 1m³. So if your room is 15m² with 2m of height, that's 30m³. To add 1° to this room you'll need 30 × 0.34 = 10,2 kWh. 10,2Wh / 0.1kWh = 102 *hours* to heat up the room by 1 degree. Not taking into account losses. This is also an approximation, and a whole pc is maybe 400-500W of power so obviously it's faster but basically 100W is nothing compared to a whole room. ❤❤❤ Your whole pc would take 10,2/0.5=20,4 *HOURS* to heat up your room by 1°C , *AND WITHOUT TAKING LOSSES INTO ACCOUNT* Yeah I admit my mistakes even when defending a brand I like. That's called not being a fanboy.
@HanSolo__Ай бұрын
People don't measure the performance of AMD and Nvidia cards 1 to 1. They take AMD native FPS and put it against Nvidia with DLSS turned ON 100% of the time - FPS.
@flamingophoneАй бұрын
Its mostly the sheeps that do that. And whenever i try to introduce them to fsr they always complain at something
@leechanyeong409Ай бұрын
@@flamingophone i use amd but fsr does lack compared to dlss but supported for even a rx 580 is legendary
@Nat-yf6ffАй бұрын
@@flamingophoneIn fairness FSR has significantly worse image quality than DLSS
@SimplCupАй бұрын
@@flamingophone at least talk about xess as an argument... cus fsr is just bad.
@flamingophoneАй бұрын
@@SimplCup i told one of them about xess. He responded by questioning what was that
@HerbertMuller-ek5iuАй бұрын
I would say its the prebuilds, not a lot of people build they're own pcs and the 4060ti pcs are often at that 800-1000$ price point.
@Akky_08Ай бұрын
If it's about gaming only AMD wins easily, but when it comes to productivity, it's hard not to go Nvidia. My friends don't just game on their PCs, they do editing, 3D design, a 16GB 4060ti isn't as bad of a card when it is on sale. Most people want to buy new and are afraid of buying 2nd hand cards so there are even less options around 400-450 euro.
@Fronioll9973Ай бұрын
Nvidia cards also are power efficient
@lemonke5341Ай бұрын
Nvidia gpu and ryzen cpu ig
@Fronioll9973Ай бұрын
@@lemonke5341 yep
@TheRealName7Ай бұрын
@@Fronioll9973not the case with the higher end Nvidia GPUs. With amd GPUs u can undervolt and power limit and u can make a card consume 10% less power while having stock or even better than stock performance.
@Fronioll9973Ай бұрын
@@TheRealName7 the fps also decreases by doing that
@EroFelipeАй бұрын
It's quite simple, we gamers are fools, we live in a monopoly, technically an oligopoly, in the CPU and GPU markets and we simply don't care, we are the embodiment of the meme "Don't ask questions just consume product and then get excited for next products", At least finding your channel was something cool in the last few weeks.
@b3as_tАй бұрын
It's because of the brainrot market. Nvidia's consumer market is now very similar to apples consumer market. People do 0 research and jump straight to the most popular company, I mean it's the most popular right? So surely its the best, literal Chiwawa's who follow the loudest voice. Then you have people with brains who do a little research because they value their money. It's not like you have to spend hours either, just a few google searches, some reviews on YT and bam. You've most likely found a card that you need.
@AAjaxАй бұрын
Yep, entirely this. It's not DLSS, CUDA, etc., because normies don't know what that stuff is. The truth is that Nvidia is the most popular because... Nvidia is the most popular. None of the normie gamers want to explain to their normie gamer friends that they bought something those friends think is second best due to "value".
@Kdog307Ай бұрын
All my research led to nividia hahaha 😂 ur brain rotted
@alfredlordtennyson5464Ай бұрын
And even all this for what? being able to run the latest game? I could wait 5 years to play a today's game (in max settings) because that's the bulk of gaming we have today already .we gotta satisfy our needs, not greeds And Nvidia is simply selling us our GREEDS
@arenzricodexd4409Ай бұрын
if that's the case AMD will never gain any market share against intel. AMD come with good CPU and they gain market share against intel. it is the same with GPU.
@b3as_tАй бұрын
@@arenzricodexd4409 Do you realise how long it took for AMD to start getting as much market share as intel? Intel still have 65% of share, and that's only on the steam hardest survey, there's an event bigger disparity because of how much intel dominated at the begining.
@orlando7448Ай бұрын
Amd hasn’t proven it can deliver competitive features. The only story they have is more vram at a lower price.
@1vaultdwellerАй бұрын
Which is a competitive feature. Since when hardware isnt the biggest feature?
@lclnbmАй бұрын
@@1vaultdweller since their software is the greatest drawback
@1vaultdwellerАй бұрын
@@lclnbm Better then sabotaging their own hardware with their affordable gpus (like the 4060ti) to force people to upgrade often
@lclnbmАй бұрын
@1vaultdweller ah yes like driver timeouts aren't gonna turn them to competitor products either way
@KankipappaАй бұрын
They still have better control panel/overlay support for gaming. The new CP tries but so far it's not even ready yet. Man people with Nvidia cards can't even use sharpening filter on CS2 due to anticheat blocking nvidia overlays, but on AMD it is no problem, so I use it on 1440p 240Hz a lot in competitive games. Instant resolution swaps are also a plus for me with multiple monitors, that's where the Nvidia card really struggled for me previously. Hell, even Linus techtips complained about display port connector having instability issues over HDMI in one of their videos, but he didn't understand it is an Nvidia driver/hardware issue, not the ports fault - had the same issues and going AMD they just disappeared... But nobody uses both brands so much that they would understand where most of the issues even come from.
@chacharealsmooth941Ай бұрын
the average Joe doesn't care about those presentations and lies companies do to promote their products, neither they care to hunt to down graphical downgrades when using upscaling. It's mostly about brand names.
@Rullino32Ай бұрын
That's also true for phones or computers.
@braydoncrawford9460Ай бұрын
Personally - I've always owned nvidia Gpu's and intel cpu's. Ran a gtx1060 then 1080ti for 8 years or more and the 1080ti is still used as a 2nd pc today.. Recently built a new pc - Went with 7900 XTX and a 7800x3d after doing a lot of research and could not be happier The performance has been amazing i couldn't care less about raytracing although i have used it with the 7900xtx I think i have had 2 or 3 crashes after many hours of gameplay (500+) and honestly it could have just been game issues . Its never been something i can re-create was just a random crash Hats off to AMD i reckon - More ppl need to give them a go!
@Herr_AffeАй бұрын
If they go out of their way to improve prices for the non-"mainstream" countries (as far as technology consumption goes), more people might be willing to. In my country, AMD prices aren't actually better than Nvidia's. They also have less features, higher power draw (at least compared to the lower-end 40-series), worse resale value, and worse availability. That's a lot of reasons that stack against AMD, and not too many for it.
@SemperValorАй бұрын
People don't do their research and keep getting ripped off by Nvidia its crazy... Why pay more for less performance makes no sense but that's the average consumer for ya lmao.
@yasu_redАй бұрын
Something that bothers me a lot are people who buy a lackluster RTX card just because it has DLSS like it's some kind of silver bullet, even if the similarly priced AMD GPU is still faster when using native resolution. Not saying this applies to every price point, but it certainly applies to some.
@Fronioll9973Ай бұрын
@@yasu_red bro the prob is that amd is only max to max 10 fps faster .
@Kdog307Ай бұрын
Maybe for you in your prebuilt hp Walmart pc lol
@williehrmannАй бұрын
I only buy for raytracing. What can I do with a 7900XTX when it delivers almost half the fps with RT on in Alan Wake 2 of a 4070 ti super. Went for the 4070 ti super and got a good av1 encoder and DLSS on top. What do I need above 4080 raster power for. Raster is never the bottleneck today. RT is the bottleneck. Buying AMD is the same as pairing a 10 years old 3770k with a 4090. Totally unreasonable. A 7900XTX or any other AMD card has too muchraster power for its RT power. So you're basically wasting die place for stuff that never will be used unless you play old games. But once you turn on rt the raster cores are chilling their ass of waiting for the rt cores to bring more data. Those two need to be balanced and nvidia is a loooooot better at that.
@Fronioll9973Ай бұрын
@@williehrmann absolutely right man
@simpx2844Ай бұрын
You also get: reflex, FG, AV1 encoding, And Nvidia is, because of MANY years releasing features for games and sponsoring them, far more popular
@jovanpejicАй бұрын
80% of GPU sales are through other companies that install these cards in already finished computers and the user gets a finished computer. How many people are there in this world and how many subscribers does each tech channel that deals in detail with hardware have? Usually around 200-300k but up to 2-3 million max. We here are less than 1% of PC users. What we think is so in this circle. Outside it is totally different. See 1 company that favors AMD graphics over nVidia.
@RiyozsuАй бұрын
Intel has monopoly on pre built PC's cpus and Nvidia has monopoly on pre built PC's gpus. Thats the reason amd hasnt already have alot of market share. Intel and Nvidia can just bribe suppliers to not sell AMD stuff.
@thewildcard600Ай бұрын
in Intel's case, bribery money might be getting short soon depending on how the defective 13th and 14th gen cpu situation developes 😅
@AnonymousUser-ww6nsАй бұрын
Yep
@valentinvas6454Ай бұрын
During my university days I also realised that lots of people buy gaming laptops as well and like 90-95% of those have Nvidia dGPU.
@cxngo8124Ай бұрын
I work at a PC hardware store in Canada called CanadaComputers. Most of the 4060ti's sell in prebuilds because there is no AMD competition for prebuilds. If someone does try to buy a 4060ti I have always convinced that person otherwise. Either get the 4060 or get the 7700xt which has been the same price as the 4060ti for a long time.
@KAITH_007Ай бұрын
people shifting to AMD now. wait for 2 years, it will show amd having 40%
@toddmcdonoughАй бұрын
I have a 4060. I got it against most reviewer recommendations. Why? Well, the 4060 in particular is extremely efficient and therefore I had no reason to upgrade my 450 watt power supply saving $50 to $100. It also takes advantage of Nvidia's superior DLSS which allows you to bump resolution up one step with virtually no downside. Last I had one bad experience with an AMD card not running well on one of my older games. I also play a lot of older less demanding games and the added power is just not needed.
@baka_ja_naiАй бұрын
I downgraded from 4090 to 4060 Low Profile when I built my 5L backpackable PC. AMD simply has nothing even closely matching for SFF cases.
@mercurio822Ай бұрын
DLSS with an 8GB vram buffer is a suttery mess, you should just have bought a 7600xt
@Fronioll9973Ай бұрын
It doesn't sttuter 😂 I have it and it doesn't even with rt And btw 7600 XT is just like 5 to 6fps faster in only a few games but in rt it can't even compete . + Dlss ain't like your ass fsr 🤣 It doesn't look blurry it looks like native @@mercurio822
@lilpain1997Ай бұрын
@@mercurio822Well this is very dependent on game and settings. And you didn't read the comment at all.
@mercurio822Ай бұрын
@@lilpain1997 did read and you bought a bad GPU an inferior product, most older games dont have and dont need DLSS. so any argument you have is invalid right there. And AMD have an built into driver solution if you are in need of scaling resolutions among other things, frame gen etc but at this point, DLSS and FSR are pretty useless compared to lossless scaling on steam, its better then all other solutions.
@HedgehogY2KАй бұрын
The reason why people keep buying Nvidia hardware in my mind is that those GPUs are a fleshed out investment. They do everything and it's only in recent months that AMD has finally got their hardware suitable for streaming, but that still leaves other features on the table for AMD to fully introduce whilst Nvidia already supports them. If you don't need a bunch of features, AMD is considered the cheaper option, which begs the question-WHY do so many people think that they need these features? AMD RDNA 2 and onward will complete most of these tasks already, it should be about time AMD GPUs should be rising.
@TRVSHTVLKofficialАй бұрын
the problem really isn't the average joe, it's more the enthusiast building community not voting with their wallets. high end dictates low end
@Lynnfield3440Ай бұрын
4070 super shouldn't even be over 450. Current prices are delusional.
@ethaneaves_0414 күн бұрын
nah now you just don’t know what you’re saying, be reasonable, the cheapest a 4070 super should be is 500-525 lol
@ethaneaves_0414 күн бұрын
not saying ur wrong but just be reasonable with how society is rn and the current market
@Lynnfield344014 күн бұрын
@@ethaneaves_04 a GTX 960 was on par with the last gen flagship for way less then the 650 a 4070super costs, and a 4070super isn't faster than the last gen fastest card either. It's just terrible value. The best card is a 4060 and even that should be about half the price realistically if you look at what tier the card is.
@Unknown-ve6vpАй бұрын
I'm convinced that those who bought the RTX 4060Ti (for gaming) must have been high on something.
@gamer_489Ай бұрын
😂
@Unlucky1776Ай бұрын
High on Nvidia meat
@KJTDАй бұрын
Or - Uneducated on this; don't care; don't know; don't trust AMD; like the brand
@YT_243Ай бұрын
Yes,they must have been high on some serious sh*t 😂
@Unknown-ve6vpАй бұрын
@@KJTD It seems like you bought that GPU
@Youngie761Ай бұрын
I am wondering if the number is thrown off because there is a lot of 4060ti's in laptops and I remember this happening with the 1060. The steam HW list wouldn't make a distinction between the desktop/laptop version.
@vextakesАй бұрын
There is also a gpu called “4060 ti laptop GPU” to account for this. Which ig would mean the 4060 ti is actually under represented there…
@ravenger2445Ай бұрын
I bought a 4060 Ti 16gb ($430) because it was the best GPU my 450-watt PSU could handle. If I had bought a better value GPU and a new PSU, I would have been getting less value for my money. That's it, clean and simple.
@ganthcАй бұрын
I have a 4060ti 16gb I upgraded on a prebuilt that came with a 1660ti. It was a massive increase in performance. I think it’s a pretty solid card, despite the relentless push to say it’s trash.
@asa-ze1knАй бұрын
if you bought a 850w for 100 and a rx 6800 for 340 it would have been way better and allowed for further gpu upgrades in the future
@ravenger2445Ай бұрын
@@asa-ze1kn Dang
@asa-ze1knАй бұрын
@@ravenger2445 if it works for you 🤷
@Antagon666Ай бұрын
@@ganthc but it's trash though. It should have been at least 20% faster to be a true 3060ti successor. Also it shouldn't have been 500$ on launch, 420 at most, with price dropping to 370 after a year.
@myrtlekenazjanairo9411Ай бұрын
when the RTX 4060 was released, i hated not the card but the price. 9 months later, I bought it. I need a card that use less power and is efficient since I'm only running on solar power paired with an AMD Ryzen 5 5600. The RTX 4060Ti though, I can't stomach the price and is literally useless for me.
@szshzАй бұрын
Guys let me tell you the truth: PRICE, most gamers are ok to spend between 300-500 for a GPU but with the current prices ? Noway I'm buying a 4070 at 700-800$
@jangelelcangryАй бұрын
2:07 Because almost everyone on the tech space was drooling of how of an good deal the RTX 4090 Was/is. Remember the Tech YES! City's Can of beans?
@tmsphereАй бұрын
But barely anyone buys them they're way off off of most ppl's budgets.
@ISeeQuality-ox8kuАй бұрын
@@tmsphere you say that but the fact of the matter is Nvidia has sold as many 4090's as AMDs entire RDNA 3 lineup let that sink in.
@nickvirgili2969Ай бұрын
Honestly everything going on right now makes it hard to care about it.
@beso467Ай бұрын
Another thing is availability, it took me MONTHS to find a well priced amd gpu as every store in my country didn't bother to sell them, and who did they just sold it with a very overpriced price. While nividia 4060 was being sold at a very VERY competitive price its crazy
@Deceit-hx7eyАй бұрын
Wow, may i ask what continent are you from? Here in europe(from where i'm from) nvidia gpu's are more expensive, or at best, msrp.
@beso467Ай бұрын
@@Deceit-hx7ey im from jordan
@deathrager2404Ай бұрын
speak for yourself. the last nvidia gpu i bought was a 1080ti, which is still decent in 2024.... thats 7 years later and it was bought 2nd hand. i got an amd cpu in my rig right now 5600x , bit outdated but not really outdated. still gets the job done.
@BastyTHzАй бұрын
cos many game dev only optmized for nvidia.. since they are their sponser, even bungie did 4060ti is actually the real 4060, while 4060 is actually 4050. since they use AD106 and 107 meant for 60 and 50.
@talibong9518Ай бұрын
That's not been true for over a decade, games are designed with AMD in mind and fully optimised for Ryzen and RDNA because that is what is in consoles. What Nvidia does is pay developers to use their tech for certain graphical options instead of AMD's or some other open standard.
@tmsphereАй бұрын
games benchmark videos ive seen tell a very different story. Just bc it has a green logo on it doesnt mean jack shit just as well as if it was a red logo its just the game dev taking money to advertise a GPU for you, it never meant anything.
@vextakesАй бұрын
This just isn’t tru. Consoles are built on AMD and we see many games (more than 50%) running better on AMD
@roller4312Ай бұрын
AMD has the entire console market (short of the switch ) for themselves for over a decade now. And consoles are the things games are optimized and made for. AMD has an unbelievable advantage and still can't compete, it's actually astonishing how incompetent they are.
@anthonynehoda2064Ай бұрын
No, because in GPU rendering benchmark 4060ti has almost the same score as rtx3080, no way its 4050/4060
@MGViolentАй бұрын
It’s simple. CUDA cores. People who also value productivity apps, no matter their opinion on NVIDIA, whether they’re a fanboy or not, they will be pushed towards choosing their GPUs. Because of those cores, which are only exclusive to NVIDIA GPUs, AMD is lagging behind them in terms of performance in productivity.
@Kdog307Ай бұрын
Facts.
@stevenostrowski6552Ай бұрын
There are definitely people that go for NVIDIA due too productivity and if you need a graphics card for productivity you can be the biggest AMD fanboy there is and still would have no reason too buy an AMD card but honestly most people that buy graphics cards are casual gamers that dont know what cuda cores are how much VRAM they need for there setup and games or what differences between DLSS and FSR exist, they might not even know what upscaling generally is. Most people are still on 1080p monitors and dont spend 500+ euro or dollars for a graphics card were the current gen cards from nvidia actually become competitive. The reason these people buy Nvidia because its the most popular and they all heard about Raytracing and thats it. My father for example bought a 4060ti because a 4070 was out of his price range, he knows AMD has graphic cards but he did default too buying NVIDIA just because its NVIDIA and he wanted too try Raytracing which the card can barely handle.
@bobanders6672Ай бұрын
Productivity is literally the only reason i go with Nvidia. So you're spot on.
@stevenostrowski6552Ай бұрын
@@Fractal_blip Good choice honestly AMD graphic cards just seem way more future proof if you only need them for gaming. I recently bought a new pc and had the choice between the 4070super and 7900gre, went for the 7900gre eventually. My PC's main purpose is Gaming and working but my work only really contains MS Office and some Chat-GPT aside from that some movie streaming and thats it even in this price range AMD was the proper choice for me. The 12gb VRAM a 4070super delivers will sooner or later not be enough considering i use a 3440x1440p monitor. DLSS and Framegen would have been nice but you know once 5000 series releases and they do major updates for DLSS the 4000 series cards will probably be locked out of these features as NVIDIA did the same too 3000 series cards for framegen even though they are capable of using it. AMD FSR recently got a framegen update and even though there are only a handful of games supporting it so far it even works on older RTX cards. Raytracing is also kinda overhyped so far, it was not nearly as visually pleasing for me as i thought it would have been seeing youtube videos but i so far i tested only CP2077, Eldenring and BF2042.
@mckinleyostvig7135Ай бұрын
CUDA cores + NVENC. Everyone wants to be a streamer or KZbinr. NVIDIA has no competition when it comes to encoding.
@Blackwing2345635Ай бұрын
The another thing - some time ago AMD was a pretty good option for number crunching - more raw power and mem for the same or lower price. But as non-gaming gpu market has been growing - amd did nothing and became basically useless in most cases. Nvidia was very much interested in pushing CUDA, far before AI and mining booms. When I studied multithreading computing in general and specific GPU computation (like temperature gradients simulations) at uni - we were learning CUDA. Nvidia was trying to make GPUs something more in gaming with PhysX. DLSS is basically a side product of their bet on tensor computing and NNs. Can't say for sure, but with their tendency to broaden their reach outside of gaming - it is probable that their real time ray tracing in gaming is a side product of trying to reach professional render market. For AMD, on the other hand, Radeon always has been a side hustle. And now, with their success with Ryzen, but still limited resources - it is better for them to focus on CPUs (and, probably, on ARM), where they have a great odds. With GPUs - they are in a much worse place, less chances to get money invested back. It would be great, if they were pushing their GPUs harder. I'm sick of Nvidia providing borderline usable amount of VRAM in gaming GPUs.
@quantumdestroyer6039Ай бұрын
Most people don't care about 60 and 80fps, it's the same thing. Most people don't play with a frame counter. Most people who play games, they buy graphics card to play games. Most people don't compare graphics cards. They buy only 1 GPU to play games. If people don't have $700 for 4070, they don't buy 4070 at $700. People who have $400 for a graphics card, they buy a $400 graphics card. I know it's obvious but just letting you know that you don't know **** AMD has stutter and framedrops in the first 10 minutes after you start a game because of s**t drivers and because they don't know how to solve the shaders problem.
@schnitzel_enjoyerАй бұрын
"Why is nobody buying AMD card?" Surely not because they can't do ray tracing and FSR's bad image quality.
@roklaca3138Ай бұрын
Niether can any nshittia 60 series so no excuse
@schnitzel_enjoyerАй бұрын
@@roklaca3138 you're a mad coping fanboy
@roklaca3138Ай бұрын
@@schnitzel_enjoyer nope, i have 3060ti, speaking from experience, 60 series are junk for rt
@Azure-hg1rmАй бұрын
@@schnitzel_enjoyer bro the 60 series are too weak to even run ray tracing, and since they are both 1080p cards using dlss will make it look bad.
@schnitzel_enjoyerАй бұрын
@@Azure-hg1rm 60 series is the lowest end nvidia card, do you expect 4090 level ray tracing performance out of it? The fact that 60 series cards beat high end amd cards at ray tracing says a lot.
@cks5148Ай бұрын
What is your take on Intel 13th and 14th K SKU CPU blue screen issues ? Do you know 13th and 14th CPU even crashing on W680 chipset workstations ?W680 is workstation chipset , cant overclock , only run in stock memory and stock power profile . Do you know how important game servers is for on line gamers ? Do you know high latency problem on these Intel CPUs ? Have you tried LatencyMon on your Intel PC ?
@Kdog307Ай бұрын
Yea. With My nividia-intel-msi hardware has Ben the best combo yet. Amd has always Been slower
@shanent5793Ай бұрын
W680 motherboards can overclock there RAM, but only at 1.1V
@vextakesАй бұрын
I’m cookin something rn 😉
@yasu_redАй бұрын
@@cks5148 There are people dismissing this as user error still and it just baffles me. W680 systems having numerous problems when they usually have very conservative settings is a very bad sign.
@thefilthycasual448Ай бұрын
@@Kdog307what makes it slow?
@davidgreen6490Ай бұрын
Nvidia cards are much better, we cannot deny facts. As someone who builds rigs on a regular basis I can tell you without doubt that the 4090 and 4080-S are far, FAR better than any of the AMD cards in game. This is the main reason why people assume Nvidias other cards are superior too..
@BigStuDolla9120 күн бұрын
The cold reality, as someone who has used both AMD and Nvidia this generation, is nobody will buy AMD at the same price of Nvidia. AMD is desperately selling one tier above cards at one tier below prices. The safe buy would always be the Nvidia card for support, features, recognition, and resale value. I say this as someone with a 4080super and a 4060 for my wife. AMD was only factored in as a budget option. Never the goal
@astreakaito5625Ай бұрын
not only they insult us but they're trying their hardest to replace you, too. They already got me :( Still buying Nvidia. AMD isn't anywhere near cheap enough to compete in term of image quality/price ratio, just because of DLSS. Nvidia also had better OpenGL and even vulkan support, as well as Blender support (I gave up on blender/art myself, due to AI, but it's still an argument in favor of Nvidia)
@marcinmaj848Ай бұрын
They had a nice lineup in RDNA3. RX 7900 even does the ray tracing. Nvidia just gave 4070 more performance, 4070Ti more VRAM and 4080 lower price. Targeting the issues and nailing them. AMD needed 7900GRE to clock faster, 7900XT and 7900XTX to have lower prices. They fixed the GRE too late. 7900XT/XTX are still expensive.
@asa-ze1knАй бұрын
when amd can exceed nvidia cards using dlss while rendering natively 😱
@__-fi6xgАй бұрын
had 2 AMDs in the past. I want Nvidia next for ai stuff that is just plug and play, AMD apparently doesnt give a shit about that at all.
@TheRealName7Ай бұрын
Well no, cuz AI is gay.
@__-fi6xgАй бұрын
@@TheRealName7 yeah AMD is totally cool for gaming, more performance on low and mid tier for sure. But absolute horseshit for AI stuff.
@TheRealName7Ай бұрын
@@__-fi6xg with that I can agree with, that's just the truth, amd gets smoked by Nvidia when it comes to AI
@MrVuckFiacomАй бұрын
AI works for me. AMD homies should lookup "NOD AI shark". I run it on my 7900xtx and get about 18-24it/s The 24GB VRAM is nice for me.
@tmsphereАй бұрын
AMD is the most basic plug and play software there is for any GPU, its really one of the few places they outdo Nvidia completely is the gaming compatibility and plug & play nature what they lack in features.
@V1CT1MIZEDАй бұрын
I got an ASUS TUF 7900XTX for £790 which was nearly £300 cheaper for the same model in the 4080 super. If they priced them like that day one, they would be raking the money in.
@rdnowlin1206Ай бұрын
Couldn't wait for Battlemage launch. Bought Rx 6750xt @ Amazon prime day
@ravijotsingh7831Ай бұрын
Surrounding also influence your decision. This way Nvidea wins also. The 2nd hand market is good for Nvidea and when that kind of discount is there people are ready to let go AMD and opt Nvidea. For me I am considering 3070ti for 25k when 3070 is at 21k and 3060ti at 19k. 6700xt is for 20k used. We can get new RX 7600 for 25k and 4060 for 27.5k. so I can opt for RX7600 when on offer it drops to 21.5k. So my options are used 3070ti or RX 7600 new with a 12400f with H series mobo for temporary and then change to AM5 with a good GPU in Hand. I will solve this mystery but the option of 3070ti is really logical for meaningfull purchase. The AMD service centre are also in question in India. Intel and Nvidea rule here in India because of there service and availability. Also budget segment products of these 2 are cheaper as compared to AMD except RX6600.
@siddhantbisht612127 күн бұрын
Where cam i find used graphics cards in India?
@ravijotsingh783127 күн бұрын
@@siddhantbisht6121 I am looking on facebook marketplace. Also trying to collect some info on zoukart... let me know how you are considering it.
@TheNumberDisplayedIsАй бұрын
Ahhh aren't gonna mention power efficiency at all ?
@WizzDudeАй бұрын
I just left a comment criticising your mic quality but you should ignore that because in this video it is fixed and very nice
@kelvinchan8541Ай бұрын
A large number of consumers just buy ready to ship builds or custom builds from shops base on proce/budget. They're just happy it works.
@jaylenjames364Ай бұрын
AMD need better marketing. Also, they should make their naming conventions closer to Nvidia. So average people know which AMD GPU is similar to a specific Nvidia GPU.
@vvhitevvizard_Ай бұрын
hell no! AMD needs better compatibility with NVidia features like CUDA, DLSS.
@TheRealName7Ай бұрын
@@vvhitevvizard_no, native will never compare to an upscale image. Id rather get a good AMD card and run it on native resolution than get a Nvidia card price equivalent and use an upscaler just to get a shittier image quality.
@GRIGGINS1Ай бұрын
One of the reasons people by Nvidia over AMD is AMD Fanboys. Some will take one look in this very comment section. See how the AMD supporters are acting. And literally choose Nvidia instead. And before you say people don't do that. People actually do that all the time. Just look at the comment sections of other KZbinrs that cover Nvidia and AMD. And one of them is posting this comment right now.
@vvhitevvizard_Ай бұрын
@@TheRealName7 I didn't say DLSS is better than native, but its good to have an option for performance optimization, isn't it?
@Alvin853Ай бұрын
One problem is that reviewers always do like for like comparisons, but gamers pretty much always use DLSS, which makes NVidia a much more compelling option than AMD at any price point.
@thepurplebandit3859Ай бұрын
When you prefer native resolution over bloated frame gen fps, it ceases to matter as much. RT performance is a much bigger motivator
@idontfeelsogood2063Ай бұрын
On AMD just use LS1 or LSFG2.1 (Lossless Scaling) if FSR is not available.
@Lionel212001Ай бұрын
It's RTX and DLSS but FSR 3.1 is very promising too. AMD needs to up its ray tracing ante and they are working on it.
@autumn_breeze616Ай бұрын
Personally I hate DLSS, I always play at native if I can bc everything else looks like muddy crap to me
@hoffyc.h393Ай бұрын
I have AMD 6700XT Red Devil and AMD Ryzen 7 5700g and loving it :D
@edrtsdfАй бұрын
switched from a pre built pc with AMD integrated graphics which i bought in 2021 for £600 to a 4060 prebuilt on sale for £799 original price was £999 going from 30fps on rocket league to 500 on it with a 4060 was huge for me so i think the 4060 was worth it for what i do.
@benpearse110Ай бұрын
yep integrated graphics have always been pap, just something to put a picture on the screen while you rma the g card you've blown up, or the g card has failed.. it's meant for super basic tasks like surfing the web to get drivers etc.. NOT for gaming, although they prob can run the original Doom at full chat!
@mohamedrafik9271Ай бұрын
The fact is: Nvidia is more stable. I have AMD gpu and I love it. But I used Nvidia too, and Nvidia is far more stable. Also, Nvidia is selling it's gou's for everyone, individuals and corporations, and even small businesses like internet cafe's and game zones. I don't imagine a small business like an internet cafe or a game zone is going to risk buying an AMD, because even if the performance is better, AMD gou's are not plug and play, and are not stable, and they tend to crash way way more than Nvidia. And that's a fact. Some fanboys are going to get mad when they read this, but it's just a fact. A 4060 is a bad value, but its not going to crash when you play at high settings 1080p or 1440p with dlss. But an AMD gpu like 6700XT or 6800XT or one from the 7000s series, is going to crash even if it's giving a better performance and higher fps.
@shiftyhootАй бұрын
cause they think need cuda core, raytracing (sure they looks good) but tanking the performance in entry and mid range GPU , they always talk how streaming and editing video is better on Nvidia which is true but how many % people who own NVIDIA actually use it for making money? my oppinion still stand if you want very high end GPU for editing and streaming or doing complicated physics you didn't have a choice get Nvida, but if you using your GPU for gaming, little bit Editing, little bit 3D rendering ,most of the time microsoft office work and watching movie or listening to music just get an AMD, it will serve you well with lower price.
@qubes8728Ай бұрын
Lol the consensus. Really is the consensus indicates the number of people that buy items based on KZbin content recommendations is measured in views. It’s not like “good news” gets clicks. If everyone made decisions based on HUB recommendations and every other tuber out there then no one would buy a single card. His 7900xt review was the most brutal piece of tech tube I’ve ever witnessed.
@HedgehogY2KАй бұрын
RDNA 4 is just gonna be the RDNA 3.5 that the Ryzen 9000 series will be getting? I mean hey, RDNA 3.5 has actually turned out to be a bigger improvement than we thought by itself, so maybe this won't be so bad. I think they're just biding their time for RDNA 5 to pop off the RX 9900XT while the 8800XT covers their back with effeciency.
@HoldinContemptАй бұрын
The reason why we buy Nvidia and will always buy nvidia is their drivers. Thats it. all your promotion of AMD means nothing because as soon as someone is gullible enough to waste money on an AMD GPU only to discover that it is broken and they have to spend hours trouble shooting it only to find theres no fix for their game and then they switch to nvidia and its just plug&play without issues and you understand why people would spend 1000$ on a 4060ti before they would buy an AMD card. Benchmarks mean nothing they are just arbitrary numbers on a screen. I need a GPU that functions correctly without issues and I have been burned no less than SIX TIMES by the AMD cards that I have bought over the years. Never again. I dont want to pay 2X or 3X more for a GPU than i have to but My choice is buy a working GPU or a broken GPU.
@user-im8bv8po2wАй бұрын
i have had amd gpu and cpu my whole life and you're right, i would probably buy an nvidia for my next card.
@stevenostrowski6552Ай бұрын
All this talk about AMD drivers being bad seems horribly outdated too me. I switched too amd end of 2020 with a rx570 8gb i bought of from a friend that has used it for like 3 weeks but found a good offer for a 6000series, i didnt make a conscious decision of switching too amd i just did it cuz he gave me the opportunity and i knew my gtx960 4gb was outdated. I never had a single driver issue with that card, recently bought a whole new rig with a 7900gre threw half my steam catalogue at it and still didnt encounter any issues. Only problem i had with amd was my new am5 based MB having USB issues under high performance games but i managed too fix that within 10mins.
@user-im8bv8po2wАй бұрын
@@stevenostrowski6552 i dont think it's outdated. when nvidia just works and amd is working most of the time, it's still frustrating as a gamer
@qrogueukАй бұрын
I've brought a lot and advised people to buy Nvidia cards (in the triple figures) over the years. Since my first Geforce 256 DDR, as a system builder for others and my own house hold. Currently running RX580 and RX5700XT with no driver issues. I've watched Nvidia get greedy over of the years. This has played AMD hand to also jack up pricing which is bad for those that buy and use GPU cards.
@Ronin-rk6iq10 күн бұрын
On Linux, it is the opposite situation where AMD drivers are plug and play on Linux while Nvidia drivers aren't as good(but I have heard that they are improving with the 560 nvidia driver).
@duxnihiloАй бұрын
Reviewers and commenters are so disconnected with the reality of the consumer, it baffles me. AMD makes ZERO SENSE for the vast majority of people.
@thefilthycasual448Ай бұрын
How as the vast majority of people need a decent CPU and GPU that they can play games, and have a dozen chrome tabs open, and be fairly priced. The average Joe wants to come home from work and game well at high FPS. RT be damned. You want to sacrifice 50% performance to have shiny windows?
@ThrobbGoblin29 күн бұрын
Hey, it's not my fault that both my 5700xt and 6700xt had constant driver issues compared to my previous GTX 1080, and my current 4070 ti. It doesn't matter what year it is; AMD fanboys will *always* say that AMD drivers are flawless, FSR is better than DLSS, and "ray-tracing is for goobers".
@17pdietcoke59Ай бұрын
Starforge systems isnt bankrupt is why 4000 gen is so successful, people just buy prebuilts
@17pdietcoke59Ай бұрын
I.e. the new company isn't running at a loss
@PeypaMikko-1842Ай бұрын
Man, as much as I enjoyed my AMD RX 6700 XT, I had to switch to an NVidia 4070 Super for "better" video editing... Still too expensive of a GPU (even though I managed to get it for 440$ second hand). I will gladly switch back to an AMD GPU when they bring some good encoders to the table. Still loving Radeon family.
@alanx216Ай бұрын
Just seems to be the way that nvidia is ahead for software, features and overall utility. People who want to save a few dollars and get a few more frames in a game will buy an AMD but overall they are missing out on a full feature set, for instance why would you spend $900 or whatever on a 7900XTX but have terrible performance in RT/PT etc, they will say RT/PT doesn't matter but it definitely does when you spend almost $1000 on a GPU.
@ThePgR777Ай бұрын
You bough a AMD card, then you found out and now you back with Nvidia
@paulojamesminimoisaac7858Ай бұрын
@@alanx216 you have some point on RT/PT but usually people buy high end cards for also running at higher resolution, and at 4k, even a 4090 struggles with PT unless you turn on dlss performance and frame gen to get a decent fps.
@paulojamesminimoisaac7858Ай бұрын
@@alanx216 and we're in an era where we get frame gen and upscaling to reach high fps, makes much sense because alot of displays are now high hz which feels much better than turning on RT/PT just to dip back to 60fps below
@alanx216Ай бұрын
@@paulojamesminimoisaac7858 Put it this way bro buying an AMD is like buying an iPhone with missing features, idk something like the camera only shoots in 240p... I'm not saying AMD cards are bad but for the average joe buying a GPU, they want all the features and it just doesn't make sense to buy something with bad performance when you can get something at a similar price with better overall performance using all features.
@Villager_UАй бұрын
AMD GPUs is only good at gaming, their gpu support on 3D software is just a joke... For eg, an RX 580 is still a capable card for rendering but amd don't even bother to add HIP support for these older card. Some 3d software like Blender requires amd gpu with HIP support or you can't use your gpu to do the rendering.
@moravianlion3108Ай бұрын
What do you even want to render with RX 580 or it's nvidia equivalent? I recently bought 7900 xtx and run with it things 16Gb 4080 can literally only dream of. I regularly max out all my 24Gb that cost me only $900. It's a steal both for high end gaming and content creation (unless you're building a 24/7 render farm). "but amd don't even bother to add HIP support for these older card" Meanwhile, nvidia 10 series that needs DLSS the most gets blocked too (happens to be RX500 generation counterpart). While FSR can easily run on those 10 series just fine.
@ValkisCalmorАй бұрын
Why is this constantly brought up in these discussions? When we're talking about what you need for your individual use cases yes, it's definitely worth considering, but NVidia isn't pulling 80% market share because average Joes are all super into 3D rendering and just never talk about it. We're talking about mass market appeal, 90% of the consumers don't know what CUDA is and most of those that do only know it from that article they saw about how many cores the new card has.
@thefilthycasual448Ай бұрын
My fucking me. You are actually talking about a 2017 GPU I have in my own pc 😂. My guy, I don't expect it to do shit in Blender.
@thefilthycasual448Ай бұрын
@@ValkisCalmorexactly my guy. Most people will never use CUDA, RT or upscaling. Most people just need to do work, browse the web and maybe game here and there.
@KankipappaАй бұрын
Also problem with AMD's way of improving performance like 2 years later with the drivers is not the best way to market their products performance wise. Like 7900XT has had like ~20% improvement over 2 years back on the average game framerates, which makes it more or less what was promised in on release. Most AMD's gpu's are way better deal now with the lower prices, but you don't get much of that visibility from many card reviewers either.
@n64slayerАй бұрын
The only few reasons why I like nvidia gpus is because they have a well know naming system. If someone is trying to flex their pc and they say 7900xtx is laughable or incomprehensible compared to if they say 4090. The second reason is the founders gpu's, I love the fact that they are exclusive/limited time and they always look amazing and fit the nvidia brand. The third reason is software, I mean just look at fsr frame gen vs nvidia, it's night and day which is better cuz fsr looks like xbox cloud gaming on horrible internet. If AMD starts implementing the same things I would be very inclined to buy from them, my brother has a 7900xt and he likes it but he said next time he would buy nvidia for video editing and better software.
@tmsphereАй бұрын
Nvidia's naming scheme is definitely superior, AMD's naming scheme is almost a fraud talking as someone who's happy with the confusingly named 7900xt. It really took a lot of research to come down to getting this over the 4070ti.
@thedarkshadow5347Ай бұрын
I think this could be summed up into : if you are willing to overpay for a better card buy nvidia but if ur on a tight budget and trying to afford all the parts buy from AMD
@talon1706Ай бұрын
Nvidia cards support more VR headsets. AMD does not support my Varjo Aero. The 4090 is awesome for this.
@TheRealName7Ай бұрын
@@talon1706VR is for nerds, only a casual gamer likes VR, no real gamer is out here caring for VR
@fredsorre6605Ай бұрын
Why are we asking a question we already know the answer to the AMD Radeon brand is in its last legs it has little to no market share and its mindshare on the basic consumer mind set is practically zilch AMD should know since they had a dead brand with their Athlon and Phenom CPU's/APU's its the reason why they had to rebrand to Ryzen the only issue now is that they only give all their attention to friggen Ryzen after the success of that branding all while Radeon continues to falter which is sad cause Radeon kept them afloat while they got their act together the only reason why SONY and Microsoft used a crappy Bulldoshit CPU on the PS4 and XBOX one was cause AMD could give them a decent GPU along with it at the price they were wiling to pay.
@Dipankar89Ай бұрын
Another reason is that laptops have only nvidia GPUs no amd GPUs😔😔😔
@timothywells8589Ай бұрын
I have a used 3090 but when buying the card my primary 2 concerns were does it have CUDA and does it have 24gb VRAM. Untill AMD sort out the hot mess that is ROCm then it's not even a competition. So many people on the Llm forums complaining that they got ROCm to work only for it to break a few days later. I really hate that the ONLY choice when buying a GPU at the moment is Nvida but honestly AMD and Intel need to do better.
@alvinjun5669Ай бұрын
bro do u know Internet Cafe or PC bang around the world??? that's the answer ur question why so many buy it' its for business
@TheworthsearcherАй бұрын
Don't forget, that the most popular GPU is the 7800 XT in Germany.
@SpicysaucedАй бұрын
Yeah its like almost half and half here, don't know why. They strong nvidia bias seems to be mostly Murican.
@yasu_redАй бұрын
@@Spicysauced Nvidia is also very common in internet cafes, which inflate the stats in steam hardware surveys.
@roller4312Ай бұрын
The Germans love to support the underdog and in case of amd cpus it actually even worked quite well.
@YesthugguАй бұрын
No dlss + no rtx
@Theworthsearcher19 күн бұрын
Dear @@Yesthuggu , DLSS is not supported i very game and it is a fake thing. It iss better to set the game to 1080 p on a 4K monitor. On a 1440P it is a big problem. That is not a good resolution. And Frame Gen wisse is AMD a lot better, than nvidia but those are also fake frames. So these SW realted things are just cheatings. SSo I would better use 1080P native. Maybe with frame gen, if the frames are high enough for that (240 FPS) becausse of it causes bigger latency. rtx is still a joke. Only 4090 is good for that but still a lot worse, than without it. Most of the people use higher FPS, than rtx. On my opinion we still have to wait 2 generations for good rtx/path tracing, which is lot better, than rtx. There are some comparisons about it in cyberpunk. But everybody does with their money, what they want. If they want the best card, they will buy a 4090. If they want a good price/perf card, they will buy 7800 XT, or 7900 GRE, maybe 7900 XT. 7700 XT has only 12 GB of VRAM. And for cheaper solutions there is 6800 non XT, 6700/XT, or 6600/XT and 7600, hese are all good cards for that price.
@lclnbmАй бұрын
I can't stand AMD any longer. Their software is not up to par. Frequent driver timeouts, buggy Adrenaline not opening, and lackluster optimization
@alexbourg4165Ай бұрын
For me the choice of Nvidia>AMD is simply because AMD dropped development of Liquid VR and don't work on game Optimizations. Why would I go with the company that has decided to ignore my use case?
@ThePgR777Ай бұрын
AMD fanboys make a lot of noise on KZbin, they have to justify their purchase, the rest just play games lol
@Laur352Ай бұрын
ok, then how do nvidia fanboys justify paying more for the same performance? dont get me wrong, I was a nvidia fanboy, but for 600$ my 7800xt is as good as the 4070, which was 25% more expensive EDIT: meant to say 7800xt, not 6800xt, mb
@ThePgR777Ай бұрын
@@Laur352 6800 XT 50% more power consumption, DLSS 3.5, even AMD Antilag+ is only supported by RDNA3, not RDNA2
@alanx216Ай бұрын
@@Laur352 turn on raytracing then what... You will say RT doesn't matter but it definitely does when you spend $600 on a GPU.
@UncannySenseАй бұрын
@@ThePgR777 still doesn't explain why gamers bought the 1050ti instead of the RX6600. where you typically pay more for Nvidia for less performance. As for power saving Unless you're testing at the wall reported power use is not accurate and the amount of actual money saved over the average GPU ownership period is less than any upfront cost when upgrading. I had a choice between a 4060 and an RX6800...I got the RX6800 undervolted it under 200watts and get more FPS with native resolution compared to the GPU with DLSS...
@Laur352Ай бұрын
@@alanx216 rtx does not matter, it's just eye candy good for showcasing games. it does not help gameplay. racing games, dont need raytracing, shooters, dont need raytracing, strategy games, mobas, mmorpgs, none of them need raytracing. Raytracing is like having racing lines on a normal car, it looks nice, but it doesnt make it faster EDIT: and at 600$ you get either 7800xt that can use all 16gb of vram, or a 4060 ti with 16gb but not enough bus memory to use all 16Gigs at once on any game
@misodevАй бұрын
actually can't believe how cheap amd cards are now
@yasu_redАй бұрын
They're dominating in the low and mid range. No way in hell was I going to get an RTX 4060 over an RX 6750 XT for $300 a few weeks ago, I already consistently use over 8gb of VRAM in many games.
@zodwraith5745Ай бұрын
AMD fans have always been overrepresented vocally, especially on KZbin and Reddit, so you can't really go off comments as an indicator of installed base. There's several things working against AMD besides just pricing. People care about features. People still remember the years of bad drivers and slow game updates. Just this year AMD broke compatibility with FO3 and New Vegas and it took them 7 months to address it. That's simply unacceptable and should have been hotfixed within days or at least weeks, not months. I gave RDNA another chance last year and it's completely unusable in VR due to vomit inducing 1% lows. Something my kids' vastly slower 1660 super doesn't exhibit. (This is theoretically a codec issue.) Yes their drivers have gotten far better than the days of yesteryear, but they still have hiccups like these and people that don't care about what brand they're buying remember that stuff. Having to DDU drivers isn't normal. Having to roll back to year old drivers to play a long standing popular game isn't normal. Then you account for features like streaming toys, superior codec, DLSS, RT, and frame gen, AMD simply _can't_ charge what Nvidia does and being only 5-10% cheaper simply won't cut it. Many people will happily pay an extra 10% to not have to put up with that crap for the next couple years, even if it means being short on vram. So they hold their nose and buy Nvidia. You regret spending too much for only about a week, but you regret an inferior product the entire time you own it. If AMD really wants to take market share they need to keep working on getting the software and features up to par with Nvidia and keep it there. Not jack prices up the second they have something competitive. Tinkering with pricing by $20-$30 obviously isn't working. Unless they bring pricing down _well_ below Nvidia where it can't be ignored.
@DemiosOctavoАй бұрын
I'd buy amd GPUs if they had more capable cards but they don't. I don't use my gpus for just gaming, I use them for gaming, rendering and local AI. So basically buying an AMD card is buying something with 1/3 of the of the functionality for my use.
@musictorinАй бұрын
I bought a 4060 because it was the cheapest card I could find at best buy, and it's much better than my old GTX 1060 6GB. I have a cousin who works in tech that told me to avoid AMD's GPUs since he says that most of the time whenever someone comes in with a GPU problem, it's an AMD one
@AnonymousUser-ww6nsАй бұрын
Actually AMD has improved a lot with their drivers. However Nivdia does still lead in RayTarcing, AI features like DLSS, and creative apps. I would say if you don’t use those features then you wasted your money. The 6750XT going for $300 offers much better value and is faster than the pathetic 4060.
@pwnomega4562Ай бұрын
Its because people hear 'DLSS' and 'FRAME GEN' and 'RTX' and..... '8GB OF VRAM' and then people proceed to cream their pants. Also the more we judge things in pure raster the harder it is for Nvidia to deceive us with AI tricks and force them to make anything else but their enthusiast class halo products have actual meaningful performance gains.
@AnonymousUser-ww6nsАй бұрын
Yep. Classic Nivdia
@forestmanzpediaАй бұрын
Recently just purchased the 7800XT. I personally don't really care about insane top FPS performance and other stuff. I personally prefer more VRAM and a lower price. I had a fantastic experience with my 6700XT. I do like what Nvidia GPUs offer but I can't justify the prices, the current problem the 40 series have in terms of higher consumption requiring you get a more powerful PSU. Lastly, Nvidia does this intentionally by releasing GPUs with less VRAM at an expensive cost unlike AMD but then offer GPUs with more VRAM at a much higher price. Honestly, people can buy what they want and need but so far AMD GPUs are good value in terms of performance, VRAM and price.
@imglidinhereАй бұрын
I'm legitimately of the mindset that Nvidia is being actively anti-competitive against AMD. It's not that far-fetched to imagine, as Intel did the same thing for something like... twenty years almost, all throughout the nineties and greater majority of the 00s, and they didn't even have anywhere near the reach as Nvidia does.
@Arthur-jg4jiАй бұрын
RTX 4060 ti 16gb , i love it for ai, gaming coming from a 1070
@A1mb0t_Fr0z3nАй бұрын
sorry to say that is one of the most disastrous GPU probably in a decade the low/mid range of nvidia is fcked
@Fronioll9973Ай бұрын
@@A1mb0t_Fr0z3n7600 XT 16 gb was a disaster not the 4060 ti 16 lol 4060 ti 16 can easily do ray tracing with Dlss and FG but your shitty 7600 or even a 7800xt can't even with fsr FG And also fsr looks 🤢 like this at the moment
@Arthur-jg4jiАй бұрын
@@Fronioll9973 yup i don't understand the hate. Plus a lot of people seems to forgot that gpus don't have the same price in every country.... In France that was a good deal
@Fronioll9973Ай бұрын
@@Arthur-jg4ji yeah they think everyone lives in usa lol
@nontoxic9960Ай бұрын
Because AMD is trash.
@gregorguru3576Ай бұрын
Youre part of the problem. You get hooked by nvidia marketing, loosing sense of reality. Your name tells it.
@artun42Ай бұрын
Vex, I think Raja Koduri, the person who designed GCN and Alchemist architecture was not received well in this space. Intel fired him pretty badly and RDNA is mostly continuation of his work. I think when other engineers take this work in their own hands, situation might drastically improve for both Radeon and Arc brands.
@michaelkoerner4578Ай бұрын
The problem is the stigma. I built a rig for a friend and she refused to havy anything from AMD even though I told her I could kill any intel/nvidia setup in her budget with AMD.
@Likid_secАй бұрын
How much for a gpu? Nvidia: yes
@DerivelyАй бұрын
Another issue with AMD is their naming scheme. Nvidia is using the same naming since 2008, so we know each time what is entry, mid-range, high-end, and their expected prices. But AMD is changing it like every 2-3 generations. In the same time we had HD6000, HD7000, R9 200, R9 300, RX 400, RX 500, 5000, 6000, 7000. And they change the naming of the tiers too. It's confusing.
@albertcamus6611Ай бұрын
1. There is no choice. 2. This new gen of PC gamers have no context on pc pricing in general. 10 Years ago I would have never paid over 200 for high-end RAM, or over 300 for a motherboard. Graphics cards is also just a sin that nvidia continues to commit.
@ObakuZenCenterАй бұрын
Of course there's a choice.
@bhekuwenzaАй бұрын
To choose worse that's for sure!
@Darth-TBAGАй бұрын
Screw Nvidia / AMD / Intel, I’m sticking to my 3Dfx and ATI cards😂
@tommyg3031Ай бұрын
Nvidia trades image quality (DLSS), input latency (Frame Gen), and raw performance (RT) for their "features". It's not a free performance boost, it's a trade-off. Give me pure price to performance ratio and wider memory bus/more VRAM every day of the week.
@_Valkohl_Ай бұрын
RTX 4060 ti is $750 aud in one of the most common websites here. yet I bought my RTX 3080 ti for $800 aud and it will out preform the RTX 4060 ti 100x over in any game. what the hell Nvidia
@roklaca3138Ай бұрын
@@_Valkohl_ hardware retailers are weapons grade scanmers
@_Valkohl_Ай бұрын
@@roklaca3138 yeah, it would seem that way sadly
@elliottsaltАй бұрын
GPU markets can't catch me out, I've been able to push my 1060 to 1440p medium @ mostly 50-60fps 💪
I’ve been looking at building my first PC and you couldn’t PAY me to run any 4060. I have been looking at an AMD card (RX 7900 XT) and really Nvidia wasn’t even on my radar… and still, even today, the only card from Nvidia in my current price point that I would consider at all is the RTX 4070 TI Super. I would like to say that the only reason I’m even considering the 4070 TI Super is because of you, Vex, because you made a good point about buying such a high end card and just not getting all the features (like Ray/Path Tracing and DLSS.) So thanks for making my decision harder!
@Plexy__musicАй бұрын
I've seen people saying in a bunch of places that the 4060 Ti 16GB is the best bang for your buck when it comes to AI stuff, especially for Stable Diffusion and other creative apps. Some folks actually buy graphics cards mainly for work, and gaming is just a bonus. It doesn't explain everything about why people buy it, but it's probably one of the big reasons; + the pre-built PCs...
@takehirolol5962Ай бұрын
The thing is that the planet outside the First World does not have deep pockets or are not willing to spend a lot on a PC unless that PC makes money for you. Even worse that PC parts are more expensive for us.
@tmsphereАй бұрын
This.
@roklaca3138Ай бұрын
Finally someone says it, prices of everything pc here are criminal...an 12 gen i5 with rtx 4070 and 32gb of ram go for 2500eur here...ridiculous
@randomrocketofficial7020Ай бұрын
This video really made me reconsider buying the rx 6800. Should I guys???