VFX Artist Explains What's Wrong With Modern CGi

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[@TheDrudgenator]

Audience: FaaaaaAKEE VFX artists : *cries in the corner*

[@TheAzraf123]

damn that hit ;-;

[@MrMoonTrick]

Stunt team: 😐

[@Jaredvic]

_AD MW_ don't worry, we knew it looked shite the moment the first renders came out

[@skewter2487]

I can see wren being sad

[@RichardServello]

Naw, we don't care.

[@TheBassManBoy]

Me: This sounds like a TED Talk Wren: This is a TED Talk

[@DismemberTheAlamo]

This is why ya gotta follow their instagram if you have one. Great BTS stuff of the BTS Stuff

[@random_name3977]

When he started "what you just saw..." I was hoping he was going to say "all CGI"... but it was just a goddamn Ted talk...

[@DJcystrom]

I remember Wren mentioning giving a TED in one of the Corridor Crew videos back when he gave it. I've been waiting forever for him to actually talk about it for us!!!! Thank you so much, Wren, and I can't wait for the next video!!!!

[@magnusskovgaard5143]

Read this comment just as he said it.

[@Joela393]

I Drink Legos Uhhhhhhh

[@MMCLLC7]

"No movie is ever finished. It just gets released." That is a quote if I've ever heard one. Yooooo

[@8thlvlMage]

Pretty standard phrase in the industry. "Never finished, only due" or "Never perfect, only due." In the Halo 3 documentary, one of the artists says, "If we had our way we'd never stop tweaking everything. Production has to take our art from us kicking and screaming."

[@kdkseven]

George Lucas is pretty famous for saying this, though he probably wasn't the first.

[@stephane2]

Kuumba Creations “Art is never finished, only abandoned” is a quote from Leonardo Da Vinci.

[@pineywoodpictures9520]

"Films are not released, they escape." Ben Burtt, Sound Designer (Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Wall-E)

[@RichardServello]

This is an unfortunate fact. It makes it so shots will get more and more revisions...until it breaks and looks like crap.

[@brandonthesteele]

"When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all." God, Futurama

[@cheerubebayonettaholopaine2638]

i swear, this is one of the best quotes ive ever heard.

[@todabsolute]

Never heard that before. Underrated quote

[@BortoYT]

Space god is smort

[@cominup85]

I use a variation of this at work

[@thegrayyernaut]

That's essentially something Ivanka Trump said, as well.

[@joshogrady7576]

“Some of their hardest work goes unnoticed...” I truly believe that Wren was computer generated for this entire video.

[@redneckgamer0]

The real question is he even real? Maybe he is always computer generated.

[@Wooktent]

@@redneckgamer0 Wren's voice is just Sam but pitched up.

[@Airblade101]

It's way to perfect to not be Wren and it can't be a deep fake because they would have had to add the spot on Wren's neck. lol

[@Wooktent]

@@Airblade101 Nah, this Wren isn't real. Completely CGI.

[@Airblade101]

@@Wooktent Undeniable!

[@landrysaathoff2418]

Wren is a gem, and deserves all the cookies he’s ever eaten

[@Scizson]

This is a wonderful compliment, and I'll be stealing it for my own use lol

[@DarukaEon]

But... I don't think he deserves all the other random stuff he sticks in his mouth. Every other vid, I find myself going, "NO WREN!!! STOP!!!"

[@matheussanthiago9685]

that got be the best complement I've ever seen

[@clixbrigidxterx]

I accepted more cookies than eating them.

[@plzletmebefrank]

Wren is a cookie, and he deserves all the gems he's eaten.

[@openingband]

"You can't rush art" - Toy Story 2 guy

[@TBaron2865]

rossini and vivaldi: hold my pizza

[@regisyuen511]

Mozart: Chuckles in Don Giovanni

[@seanisgone5413]

Isn't the toy story guy also the teacher on incredibles

[@savvy_me]

😄😄😁😁👍👍

[@samliedtke]

@@seanisgone5413 no, but that teacher is voiced by Lou Romano, who also does Linguini from Ratatouille. The cleaner character model is originally from Geri's Game, a previous Pixar short.

[@nicolasinguanti9986]

“You watch movies to enjoy stories, but when the CGI is bad, it can take you out of it” Doctor Who fans: “I don’t have such weaknesses”

[@AntiSpiral666]

Anime fans: Pathetic

[@adventurekitty1016]

The Lazarus Expirment episode wants to know your location.

[@Blackdeath_]

Wren saying he lacks the skill to create a painting. He obviously has never heard of skillshare

[@AchHadda]

maybe not interested too xD

[@brunofdgoncalves]

Did you just dropped a sponsored segment? Hilarious!

[@gabiluch87]

BlackDeath Jake needs to push that sponsor harder obviously

[@leyren2606]

Imagine jake jumping in at that moment, 'OH, THAT SO? THEN YOU SHOULD TRY SKILLSHARE! SKILLSHARE IS ....'

[@gabiluch87]

Leyren LMAOOO That wouldn’t be so off from what he normally does

[@jonas1015119]

“No movie is ever finished, it just gets released.” *George Lucas has entered the chat*

[@jesusmora9379]

[laughs in avengers endgame]

[@phoenixjones7191]

I think the original quote is that art is never finished, only abandoned.

[@andrewparker318]

That made me laugh out loud, thanks!

[@jakegearhart]

​@@phoenixjones7191 He was quoting Wren. The George Lucas joke is because he kept editing his movies years after they were released.

[@arkadiuszkawak6379]

@@jakegearhart He knows he was quoting Wren, he jus said that the original quote was said differently.

[@MrAoitara]

I enjoy these Wren only videos, he's so passionate about his job and life.

[@Hoto74]

Yeah, you know it very fast in such a video if someone love what he is doing or not. You can't fake that with CGI. ;)

[@Harry-x4n]

It reminds me of an interview with Studio Ghibli's Hayao Miyazaki, and his staff. Where they commented on the Animation process, and how their projects take twice as long as normal animation at the time. "Normally, we would produce 10 minutes per month. So we decided to see what would happen if we produced 5 minutes per month." It also makes me so excited for their eventual new release, which is 3.5 years in the making and they're going at 1 minute per month. It's like "you can't rush art" turned into "Okay, take as much time as you possibly need."

[@kabulzhan]

Anime art just doesn't do it to me. I don't know why, but I just don't get it. Why are the movies created by Hayao Miyazaki considered great, I just don't feel.

[@DaDARKPass]

@@kabulzhan It's because people are stupid, and we need to teach them that weeb shit is bad and wrong and that we need to start a crusade against Japan! FUCK WEEBISM!

[@thepopo592]

@@DaDARKPass dude chill lmao

[@DaDARKPass]

@@thepopo592 NO! WE MUST DESTROY THE FILTHY WEEBS AND NUKE THE WEEB SHIT OUT OF EXISTENCE!

[@failbuoy7810]

Plot twist: Wren is only a realistic CGI simulation of a human.

[@agentchristos]

What an original plot twist😂

[@Alphadog2064]

Nah, that’s Peter

[@aidanyelsma7762]

This video is Wren in a motion capture suit acting as himself.

[@Tensho_C]

Wren WAS short for (w)Rendered after all

[@ERoBB1]

I was waiting for that reveal. That the whole video was CGI.

[@LM-1378]

"While not everyone is an artist, everyone *IS* a critic"

[@ErebosGR]

Because freedom of speech.

[@TallicaMan1986]

What I believe is that everyone is an artist. Some just suck and decide to criticize.

[@gusvega4372]

Critics and opinions are not the same thing. But, people prefer to criticize because is less brave than their own and true opinion.

[@BenCaesar]

He dropped alot of barz in this 🔥

[@TXFDA]

This, right here, also applies to drawn/painted art. As an artist myself, I visit a lot of art forums, subreddits, etc. One thing I see a lot by younger artists, or just people that are a tad full of themselves, is that they don't seem to think non-artists can criticize their work. Like, for some reason, they think that if someone doesn't draw, they can't tell when a face looks wrong or something. Like, broskie, everyone knows what a face looks like, even if they can't draw it. If someone tells you your face looks off, it probably looks off, even if they couldn't draw it any better.

[@jizzosh1233]

" A work is never truly finished, only abandoned" Leonardo da Vinci

[@beautyjahan4471]

Woah he said that really

[@hampe2424]

What? He said "art is never finished, only abandoned".

[@baebleton9541]

"No movie is ever finished, it just gets released." Sounds like making music too

[@jensharald9091]

Can confirm. It's only released when you work with someone else and someone relies on a deadline. If you just work on your own music all alone, you're never gonna be done xD (how it feels to me, at least)

[@dharkomens]

And video games.

[@southlondon86]

Terminator 2 Judgment Day cough cough Aliens cough cough Die Hard cough cough Pulp Fiction cough cough

[@adamtennant4936]

It's a version of a famous Da Vinci quote: "Art is never finished, merely abandoned".

[@WarDimensionOfficial]

Exactly what I thought...

[@omegashark1837]

Yeah, CGI you don’t even notice until someone points it out is the best. I can’t help but be impressed with stuff like that.

[@MontyBeda]

Yep, for example Mad Max: Fury Road. There is just so much CGI in the movie that you will never notice unless it is pointed out to you because it is just so well done.

[@something7432]

just like fast furious 7 Paul face.. most ppl notice only. at the end scene.. but actually before that, they have more scene of Paul cgi face.. but you cant tell until somebody pointing out and "prove" it

[@rebbob93]

It's a lot like background music in that it is best when no one notices it at all.

[@evaphy]

“No movie is ever finished, it just gets released.” such strong powerful thesis!! Love it!

[@sammyswanksmith4807]

Tell that to George Lucas!

[@adamheywood113]

Plot twist: Wren is an entirely CGI character and we never knew.

[@Commander_Shepard.]

I legit thought that at the end he would actually say this entire video was a tech demo.

[@BulletMagnetMan]

@@Commander_Shepard. yeah, Unity engine ftw!

[@cold_static]

"A movie made you believe that dinosaurs were real" You mean they weren't?

[@3oxisprimus848]

Oops

[@monkeyrobotsinc.9875]

what a cool and smart comment. no wonder it has so many thumbs.

[@davel7037]

Yes, dont ever believe scientists & historians they are evil liars. Look at the sh$t going on with coronavirus now

[@fbn7766]

😅

[@rexthegamergembox]

He means they are not existing

[@pin6722]

"Art is never finished, there is only deadline" -Ash Thorp

[@RuthwikRao]

yo Ash Thorp's a real CG King

[@samstevens2945]

"No movie is ever finished. It just gets released." -Abraham Lincon

[@drwho37]

"Stop fucking quoting me" -- Elenor Roosevelt

[@solutionghostsimple6470]

I thought it was by Hitler

[@ya_aimgod_jesus5827]

“I like this movie” -Jesus

[@iforgot87872]

Nice try. We all know it was Gandhi.

[@TheGrindelwald]

George Lucas?

[@renzesparza6281]

As that guy from Toy Story once said “ya can’t rush art.”

[@RedEveTillDawn]

Renz Esparza Gery from gerys game. I may have spelt it wrong but I know the character

[@knoxgunn9855]

@@RedEveTillDawn That's the Chess guy from the Toy Story 2 after-credits

[@kickz2828]

People need to stop talking about toy story. Yes it was great, but it’s fully animated movie, stop comparing it to live action movies with good cgi

[@knoxgunn9855]

@@kickz2828 We're not comparing and I've never heard anyone compare it.

[@McSuperfly101]

It’s ironic because Toy Story 2 was incredibly rushed in the end.

[@notahotshot]

Plot twist: Wren was CGI for the whole video.

[@viddork]

I was actually expecting that to be the case.

[@genus577]

WDYM didn’t u see the behind the scenes he was

[@CB10_1]

Oh My that would be Disbelief ah I wouldn’t believe it

[@fpp9183]

Wren: but do the effects of jurrasic park still hold up today? Shows raptor being caught by rex Me: hell yeah! Wren: nope Me: ooooo

[@devanshkalia9072]

They still look pretty convincing to me

[@redgh]

Me too

[@paolomagtuto4390]

For one frame the raptor is missing.

[@hiimchrisj]

@@devanshkalia9072 Yes they definitely do. But that's more so because Spielberg was much smarter about how he used them. But if you REALLY paid attention to the cgi models themselves they're not as detailed as the new ones. The skin textures aren't as detailed to the point of actually looking kinda flat, the way their skin reacts to light isn't as intricate, etc. I feel like the issues with the new ones are in how cartoony they present the dinosaurs in a lot of ways. Anthropomorphizing the raptors and turning the "villain" dinosaurs into malevolent monsters and how just because the cgi is more detailed they show it off too much and too often.

[@ohifonlyx33]

@@hiimchrisj and so much of Jurassic Park is made with robotic stunt-double dinosaurs or real dinosaurs wearing mo cap which makes a BIG difference.

[@AndyDo]

"No movie is ever finished. It just gets released." This is the truest statement about filmmaking ever uttered.

[@perkypears]

i honestly think its a great quote even for other forms of media like video games. CGI artists and programmers are often rushed in that industry as well and you can often see when that happened

[@AndyDo]

@@perkypears oh, for sure. But I can only speak personally to film (and SaaS middleware, but as a developer in test, it's literally my job to say it's not done perpetually). I've had edits where I've spent days adjusting ins and outs by a single frame. Then I'll wake up at 3am, compelled to change, then revert, then change again. I never want to give the final_final_locked_noreallyfinalthistime_003.pproj up to the colorist. Learning that "good enough" is way better than "never done" was a tough lesson.

[@MicheletDiez]

The funny thing is that I was thinking: this thing should be a Ted talk....and at the end....I was like: whoaaaaa

[@ethancerniglia4595]

it's also funny, because this IS his ted talk. we just didnt know it yet

[@georgerosebush9754]

@@ethancerniglia4595 That's...exactly what he just said. But, why male models?

[@Cardinalbins]

"Academy voters thought planet of the apes apes were real" Yeah, thats the type of person i imagine in this voter seats..

[@JustanotherdudeOramI]

Ikr😭😂

[@Alec.V.]

I’ve seen so many videos that just go “durr CGI bad practical good” and I’m glad someone is taking a more objective look at it.

[@joejoe4games]

The problem with CGI is that bad CGI looks like _bad CGI_ while bad practical effects just look hand made.

[@bohlam6c]

It's because people only noticed the bad ones. Just like Wren mentioned, the good one are often invisible. Sadly a lot of people misunderstood what CGI is and what it could be, this misconception also extends to directors and studios.

[@meatisomalley]

Have you? I've seen a lot of laymen's comments saying that, but all the videos I've seen that talk about the issues with CGI have all been very clear that CGI is an amazing tool when it's used correctly.

[@monsta6501]

@@joejoe4games So in other words, bad practical effects. Dont sugar coat it my man

[@johnterpack3940]

I've never seen anybody say CGI is inherently bad. I have seen plenty of people say it is an overused crutch, the tool of hacks and bargain bin studios. CGI rarely looks as good as practical effects but it does enable people to do things that would be impossible practically. The big downside, to me, is something I never see anybody talk about... CGI cheapens the work of others. Stuntmen spend weeks rehearsing and planning gags only to have people assume it was all CGI. Model makers, set designers, and practical effects builders sweat their balls off to get things built on schedule and make them look right only to have people assume some nerd did it with a macro on his laptop. In some ways this is actually good. The digital age is loosening Hollywood's stranglehold on entertainment as it becomes easier for outsiders to produce top-shelf films. But it's kind of sad to think the techniques used to make movies like "Close Encounters of the Third Kind" will eventually be as mystifying to people as the construction of the pyramids.

[@cm7686]

"It's fine we'll fix it in post"

[@TopazBeast]

-Abe D’Catfish

[@utopiandubstep7055]

this hurt me more than it should've

[@def6078]

"Hey Vsauce, Wren here"

[@shadowmax889]

Vsauce 3 has a lot of VFX

[@erikthegoose9781]

Wren is better

[@cjeam9199]

2:48 “We all have a lot of experience with reality” [Citation Needed]

[@RedTheMagician]

Wren is CGI throughout the whole video.

[@siddhartsingh6606]

I think corridor is going a great job bringing awareness and inspiring people to try visual effects

[@thisisfyne]

As someone who's been working in CGI for 10 years now, I thoroughly enjoyed how everything was stripped down and explained in a simple manner here :) It's true that VFX are sometimes taken for granted as they're made with computers, but let's not forget that behind them are people usually truly dedicated to their craft and attempting to make the best of what they're given. Also kudos for recognizing how brilliant Blade Runner 2049 is!

[@maximeteppe7627]

the thing is, with practical effects, people instinctually get what puppetry, makeup means, or wirework etc... for cg things art similar but abstracted one degree or more by the fact that it all happens in a computer running programs most people have never heard of.

[@darthrange1]

RIP everyone who worked on Mulan 2020. Thank you for your work, I'm just sorry it was wasted by those above you.

[@ekeexee]

I love how Wren is all of us when talking about Blade Runner 2049

[@MrFreeman042]

New game: Take a shot every time someone at corridor says 'Here's the thing'.

[@icyhot8167]

I assume you meant bullet shots right???? cause otherwise it would mean that I have 53 stiches, severe blood loss and contamination and LITERAL holes in my body for no reason at all!!!

[@icyhot8167]

@@SquirrelASMR I think he meant bullet shots

[@wallahhabibiiii]

@@icyhot8167 nope

[@KKomalShashank]

Bruh... Even if he meant bullet shots, "taking a shot" means firing the gun. Not taking a hit. Unless you're firing at yourself. At which point, you'd be an idiot for doing that. And dead.

[@allsosavvy]

either way, you'd be dead within 2 mins

[@simplygamic]

"They think we just press a button and poof" As a music producer I can relate to this so much. There's hours of work behind a project and people just think it's made in an instance. Spread love for the VFX artist out there!

[@mutantmagnet]

I only recall this shade being thrown at DJ's and a lot of the times it is deserved for those paid to work at a random party. It is unfair when someone who takes DJing seriously to put out an album or do tours is judged similarly.

[@captainamericyang7532]

Crew: Black Panther mostly had amazing CGI! The third act was wonky because the CG team had a matter of weeks to complete the CGI! So next time you see visual effects, appreciate the artists and their hard work! Also Crew: *EW JUSTICE LEAGUE SUPERMAN MUSTACHE FACE*

[@captainflowers748]

I think that's acceptable because it's a face.

[@CURTSNIPER]

@@captainflowers748 its not bc they did a bad job of just covering his mustache

[@superbobomario8849]

When i saw the bts of the final fight scene, they should of use that alone

[@denmieroldsco7070]

Im pretty sure the justice league team had alot more time

[@thefowles1]

Denmier Oldsco not as much as you'd think. the de-mustached scenes were reshoots when Whedon was brought in, which was near the end of its production. wouldn't have been an issue had Cavill's contract with mission: impossible not required the mustache, but they had no other option but to rush it

[@MegaDeath458]

"Time is finite. Resources are finite." -Wren

[@Commander_Shepard.]

"This poem doesn't rhyme. Infinity stones."

[@ouishi9447]

THANOS WREN

[@rafaelalodio5116]

He will snap his fingers and half of the VFX shots will disappear.

[@fiveoneecho]

@@rafaelalodio5116 A stone falls off of the gauntlet and onto one of the two optical drives holding the VFX data, smashing the disks.

[@nodezero9828]

“Bad CGI is Bad CGI because you notice BAD CGI” -Gigguk

[@rhettorical]

"A special effect without a story is a pretty boring thing." - George Lucas

[@OoKaiSeioO]

Rhettorical oh the irony

[@A_Wild_Yeengirl]

"You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villian" -someone who George Lucas should have listened to

[@X.00896]

Die Zexyy Bear the Force Awakens wasn’t exactly breaking new creative ground either

[@Joshua_23]

@@CAR105729 I tried watching TLJ yesterday with an open mind and it's still a shit show, luckily i healed my brain via Batman Begins on the same day

[@passbyicecube]

That's one big ironic quote coming from that man.

[@sheeplinked]

VFX artist: “No movie is ever finished, it just gets released.” Software developer: “No code is ever finished, it just gets released.”

[@ohifonlyx33]

author: no book is ever finished, it just gets published

[@mbogucki1]

The first motto is what George Lucas swears by... The second is owned by Bethesda.

[@edugui99999]

Me: "No homework is ever finished, it just gets released"

[@wirly-]

Toothbrush manufacturer: "No toothbrush is ever finished, it just gets sold"

[@jamesbond9975]

Me: People need to stop releasing unfinished half-assed shit.

[@AmiYamato]

Thank you , Wren. This will be the _`go to'_ video I send to people whenever I hear them complain.

[@fidgetASMR]

Ayyyy!! Ami

[@SirWrender]

Thanks Ami!!

[@onion835]

“Invisible all along” was waiting for it to be revealed he was cgi

[@EZ-yb4sb]

Same

[@novaprime4831]

That would have been awesome

[@rent0]

When wren started talking about animation I got an ad so he said “animation: when the motion is designed from Pizza! (5.99 for a small 2 topping pizza!!!”)

[@ndcentral8194]

Bruh, LMAO same

[@judahmaull9549]

I also got an ad lmao

[@XGreibX]

honestly i love it when Wren and the corridor guys just stand and talk passionately about what they do, and the industry in a whole. More please

[@inflatablewolfie]

Wren is such a good speaker. He's a lot of fun to listen to. Good job man!

[@inessa8332]

These kind of vids that wren makes by himself usually have a huge dump of information, but he tells it so well, he makes them incredibly interesting

[@brothercaptain]

"The best CGI goes unnoticed." Hint: Wren isn't actually in this video. MINDFREAK!

[@MrPickles1987]

Are you ready?

[@Cardinalbins]

I think one of the more practical problems with modern cgi, is the implementation of hd. If you see the jurassic park cgi from back then, this was all without hd. But with hd, the discrapency got bigger, and you propably need more time to render, which makes realistic cgi more expensive. I would love to see a real life movie with cgi, on the old vhs pixel count, and lets see then how the cgi is implemented

[@Antidoxy]

Thanks for an actual good comment. 👍🏻 Would be very interesting.

[@ajsarsfield]

Jurassic Park was shot on and designed for film though.. No digital projectors back in the 90s and the equiv Resolution of Film is somewhere around 6k Sure we watched it on vhs and SD tvs back in the 90s but Cinema screens are as detailed as the HD we have now

[@Cardinalbins]

@@ajsarsfield yeah that may be true. Maybe it was better in the old days, but still, every time i watch a movie around the 2000, the lower resolution seems to always humble the computer effects

[@EbonyPope]

Even the best CG human looks still fake. CG still is miles away from realism.

[@floatato8258]

Honestly, thank you Wren. I don't do visual effects, [I'm very interested though!] I do digital, traditional, and painting. But I both realized and didn't realize the scope. Plus the words you said really ring true to other forms of art. I've had people ask me to do so much in such a short amount of time. Or suprised when I tell them it took me weeks to digitally color something [still learning]. This made me actually feel better as an artist, so again, thank you.

[@ManuelReynamanuelmreyna]

11:27 like Da Vinci said (or maybe didn't) "Art is never finished, only abandoned"

[@futurestoryteller]

He didn't, it comes from a 20th century poet.

[@ManuelReynamanuelmreyna]

@@futurestoryteller Probably, but misatributed quotes are still a lot of fun.

[@darkhoodchief]

"You can't rush art!" is true after all

[@yoshijoshi6459]

Who's here after the release of the actual Ted Talk? :D

[@amandamonkres8420]

Not me :D

[@yoshijoshi6459]

@@amandamonkres8420 xD You made me laugh for some reason

[@vatal5410]

Not me, seriously.

[@smitty8978]

Everyone

[@justjoe2472]

I dont even watch them

[@TheNomnomnom0815]

"CGI is just made by computers." Those are usually the same people who think that digital art is just "pressing a few buttons". :/

[@theangryvoltorb8638]

@@aviator3864 What.

[@devinward461]

"It's involves new technology that I don't understand, therefore, it doesn't take any real work."

[@khirasier]

digital art is certainly more forgiving than traditional mediums but that doesnt mean anyone can do it

[@Alex-03]

@@aviator3864 Did you guys even watch the video?

[@ascended8174]

Plot Twist: Wren talking was CGI the whole time

[@MrFredd38]

Wren doesn't exist. He was digitally created by Sam and Niko.

[@manueldelahoz]

Plot Twist Twist: CGI Wren was deepfake Tom cruise the whole time

[@tokyoDRIFTA]

“the” -Wren

[@Halrawk]

Easily the best quote of the video!

[@gilkyukim7354]

👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@malikfaisal416]

This is so deep

[@LumosCreations]

This video is an OUTSTANDING explanation of what goes into modern visual FX and the challenges involved with creating visuals that aspire to be indistinguishable from reality. Clear, succinct, and extremely well done. Thank you for sharing it!! Amazing job, Bravo!!

[@cre7701]

"No movie is ever finished, it just gets released" Mahatma Gandhi

[@hyperiusnovani]

Are you being sarcastic or are you for real?

[@chameleonhasabaduploadsche328]

No that was The Terminator

[@skewter2487]

Nah that was Ol' Geogre

[@rizkiputraperdana1738]

@@hyperiusnovani are you?

[@billykranberry6077]

I didn't know Gandhi makes movies

[@Levi_Zacharias]

"The best VFX are invisible" -Wren

[@K-11609]

The repair guy in Toy Story 2 once said: “You can’t rush Art”

[@duncanweller1]

"No movie is ever finished, it just gets released." What a fantastic line to quote. I'm sure if this isn't already a line repeated in Hollywood, it will soon become very common. Thanks for the video. It was very very good. Glad you took the time.

[@Boujonzu]

A sanderson ad after wren talking thats actually a TED talk... Corridor you da bes

[@israelrodriguez9962]

I want more Wren Essays about stuff he's passionate about.

[@EastyyBlogspot]

I do remember reading somewhere Actors often have a hard time with films that rely a lot on CGI because they have to react to something they cannot see

[@usgatlas2085]

That is very true and can often create long term problems in the future. A good example of this is Bob Hoskins in the film "Who framed Roger Rabbit" when he ended up suffering due to feeling lonely since his scenes are mostly just himself, however that is one of his best films he ever worked on. RIP Bob Hoskins.

[@jasonblalock4429]

@@usgatlas2085 Yeah, and now we've gone from one actor (mostly) having to deal with all the imaginary stuff, to *every* actor having to do it. And that's a big part of the problem. Nobody on a film production gets anything to look at any more, besides a handful of half-completed props or bits-and-pieces of stage dressing. They're just standing in a big green room being told "now imagine aliens are attacking you." No wonder performances are suffering!

[@Dracomut]

I never understood that reasoning, isn't the point of acting being able to react to something that isn't really there anyway?

[@HermanVonPetri]

The saddest example of this is Ian McKellen breaking down in tears on the green-screen set of The Hobbit.

[@EastyyBlogspot]

@@Dracomut it is but to see the actual thing to react to makes performances more convincing, but there was a story that in one of the spy kids films a kid was asked to react to something and he said what is it ? And they said we do not know yet but will add something later....not the best direction for a actor

[@AussieRonkey]

"They were to preoccupied where they could use CGI and never stopped to think if they should"... Wren Goldblum enters to room with that little Easter egg /applause.

[@MinecraftsDarkest1]

I like how he explains it for others who aren’t as in the know. Wren the teacher

[@warcroftgaming]

"No movie is ever finished, it just gets released." Sounds like gaming. Maybe movies should try 'early access'. Or even patches after the movie is released. I wonder how many people would pay to see a movie multiple times because a new patch was released?

[@beck1328]

warcroft probably not a lot. A game has you interacting with everything films you only get a linear experience.

[@metanumia]

They already do this with private test screenings with test audiences. :)

[@Ingaming_Coma246]

Wanna know what’s funny? They did that in early movie productions. Where they release the film early to a selected audiences because back then; movies were just like theater performances. They tried the Early Access but that took too much time. Lol

[@Fucisko]

Avengers Endgame was patched with extra scenes.

[@columbus8myhw]

Star Wars: Special Edition _has entered the chat_

[@aderemiporsche]

8:08 That shot of Legolas running up those collapsing steps still gets me to this day.

[@ChickenFriedBrad]

Apparently I'm the only one who has never had a problem with that shot. The elves are supposed to be ridiculously lightweight, so it makes sense to me that it would look like Legolas is defying gravity.

[@stephenharris5532]

@@ChickenFriedBrad It doesn't matter how much you weigh, you can't thrust off of something that's falling, all the force of pushing will continue going in the same direction. It defies physics. Maybe if the rocks exploded out from under him from his steps I could be convinced. You could say the resistance from air friction was enough to give him thrust, but the amount of force would have to blast those steps downward at like Mach 2. Which would be rad. Corridor Crew should redo those effects, I bet it wouldn't be hard for them.

[@ChickenFriedBrad]

@@stephenharris5532 You make a great point. At first I thought that the elves, along with near-weightlessness, were also super strong -- so that shot might still make sense. But it turns out that they're no stronger than men, so you're 100% right. I would also love to see what the crew could do with this shot!

[@vashusan1984]

That whole project was a dumpster fire, and the VFX was only a fraction of the actual problem.

[@spkelse4288]

@@stephenharris5532 You seem to forget Legolas walking on top of snow without leaving tracks in the fellowship of the ring while everyone else sank down to their waists. It defies the physics of the human body, but as pointed out above, he is an elf. Maybe that Hobbit shot is somewhat over exaggerated, but it's definitelt done to emphasize the fact that elves are light. To binge that in with "bad effects" is just dumb. Like, what in Avengers does not defy the laws of physics?

[@SB-ex8nt]

That's a great line. “No movie is ever finished, it just gets released.”

[@ColonialBoi]

Wren: Even a great artist can't rush a painting Van Gogh: Hold my wine

[@unfa00]

Van Gogh: "Hold my ear"

[@generic6ixty5ive]

@@unfa00 damnit I was gonna say that

[@MiaogisTeas]

Implying Van Gogh was a great artist... 😅

[@siubijeni206]

"And if you're a freak of nature, and Sanderson isn't for you..." Funny but true.

[@dylanmagoiofthethalasso4032]

"No movie is ever finished ,it just gets released." That reminds me of a quote said by a famous artist, I can't remember who said it but it was along the same basis of that about an art piece is never finished it is only abandoned or something like that. That was a well written video.

[@starmorpheus]

Da Vinci said that.

[@Thosted]

Ash Thorp said something similar too

[@anm8001]

I think Paul Valery said "A work is never truly completed, but abandoned" about poems. Which then has been misquoted as Da Vinci's words.

[@TheRibottoStudios]

Walt Disney has said this about his parks.

[@stephenharris5532]

You know how I know JP still holds up today, because even having seen it a dozen times since it came out in the theater, watching behind the scenes and even listening to you guys talk about it, and after all that at 8:59 I had no idea the freakin jeep was CG. I thought it was just the Trex. In fact, you show a couple shots with the velociraptor that I never knew were CG. So yeah, I'd say they still hold up pretty dang well.

[@BryanVacchio]

"For 10 cents a day you can feed an VFX artist" -Wren

[@wallahhabibiiii]

Lmao

[@GeneroMachina]

I can't read that sentence without imagining an angry, naked Australian yelling at me to put the money back in the couch. Look up Couch Coins by Max Forrest if you don't get the reference, lol

[@brageisdahl]

Can you react to the VFX of a Norwegian movie called “Troll Jegerne” (or also called Troll Hunters)?

[@kissthesky40]

Spudle Bududle Munudle Great movie. Loved the big one at the end. Epic.

[@simonfisher7]

The making of that movie is excellent (you can find it on KZbin)

[@shiba1222]

Spudle Bududle Munudle that is my favorite movie we watch it at family gatherings ( and yes I can tell you have Christian blood )

[@BarryTheBountyHunter]

Yes-Yes-Yes

[@madmonkeymob34g12]

Bruh that movie scared the shit out of me when I first saw it

[@chameleonhasabaduploadsche328]

“A” -Wren 2019

[@Will-rs8so]

A*

[@chameleonhasabaduploadsche328]

Wo I got likes

[@Ihyabond009]

E - Markiplier 2018

[@quietlifemiguel1735]

Randomly stumbled on this video saw black panther and chadwick, now i’m sad. Rest in Power King.

[@amlynevans435]

0:10 When dorothy says 'oh my' it matches with the beat

[@mokaa.9553]

“No movie is actually finished, it’s just released” beautiful!

[@jemert96]

George Lucas disagrees

[@RegnumUmaril]

The saying that "No art is ever finished, only abandoned." Must come from similar thinking, just free of Hollywoods spectre :P

[@Gawillamon]

There's already a quote about art in general like that, Wren just reworded it. "A work of art is never completed, merely abandoned."

[@sammyswanksmith4807]

Tell that to George Lucas!

[@sammyswanksmith4807]

@@jemert96 Haha you read my mind.

[@HenriqueGuerraOficial]

0:10 that "OH MY" is SOOOOO in point with the song on the background

[@matthewchampion8214]

I needed Wren to start spitting bars after that

[@cso027]

"When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all." - God in Futurama. My favourite quote of all time. It sums up my job as well, but I believe it is true for lot of people.

[@damiexe]

I love hearing Wren talk about stuff.

[@Thermool]

“No movie is ever finished. It just gets released” Fits Star Trek V: The Final Frontier to the letter.

[@I-speak-U-shut-it]

The Last Jedi to the letter

[@decafmrdragon2963]

A 69 likes to you. :)

[@KKomalShashank]

Game developer here. Same applies to video games. They are never finished. Only released. Also, no game is 100% bug-free. That is near impossible to achieve.

[@UrikKane]

9:23 "It just feels like it was too preoccupied with whether it could use CGI, it didn't stop to think if it should" loved that reference

[@alanfaraj3450]

The more videos I watch from this channel the more they seem like a role model for other industries. My awareness and knowledge has expanded so much from just watching. Thank you for spending time to properly explain and educate people! Much love

[@Jaymo0]

0:10 why did Dorothy’s “Oh My” Match with the beat Like a producers Tagline😂💀

[@Commander_Shepard.]

Sounds like something from an pron studio intro.

[@IDNLCLOVER]

Jaymes YOOOOO!!!! That’s actually fire ngl😂🔥

[@dadams106]

I was thinking it hit harder than it should have

[@ODekaK]

Because in that Wizard of Oz scene, they chant "Lions ans tigers and bears, oh my!"

[@sammyswanksmith4807]

That was unbelievable. I actually got giddy. These guys are such bosses.

[@icyhot8167]

When you think about it.... MYSTERIO was actually a really good CGI artist ...... Edit : (WHAT!!! THNX GUYS... THIS IS MOST LIKES I EVER GOT)

[@Commander_Shepard.]

He's literally wearing a mocap suit for most of the movie lol

[@icyhot8167]

@@Commander_Shepard. exactly!!

[@Pwilly07]

I mean he was originally a movie effects artist in other spiderman iterations like the comics

[@juggz4287]

Plot Twist: Wren is fully CGI in the TED Talk

[@stevenborg102]

Those Planet of the Apes movies have some of the most incredible CGI & Motion Capture I have ever seen. That shot where Caesar is talking to Woody Harrelson and crying near the end was not only one hell of a performance from Serkis but an incredible achievement from VFX crew to convincingly carry it through to the final render.

[@Mysikrysa]

Maurice (the orangutan) looks 100% real. The fur is animated perfectly!

[@SkyFouxX]

I was so surprised to see that there's a ton of CGI in Mindhunter, it's really well done.

[@JerryFlowersIII]

I half expected that Wren was actually CGI the whole time.

[@supamvp30]

“inspirational quote” -comment section

[@Alpostpone]

"bland meme" - comment reply

[@themichael_o69]

I love how he starts off with great energy and ends it so dramatically. Great talk

[@xsilvermistx]

"Take a moment to appreciate all of the hard work that went unnoticed" is exactly why I stay for all the credits for every movie I see in theaters :D

[@stevenotsch1723]

Ah yes, CGI also known as Mysterious nerd magic

[@ardi2719]

Plot twist: Wren is actually cgi and everything you’ve seen with him in it is fake

[@dc33c]

how original... :|

[@FirePoo]

I can concur with everything said in this video. I'm not a CGI artist, but I went to school for computer hardware engineering and have subsequently written programs for the IT industry. Sometimes you get truly lucky and can complete a working and fully functional program on a time crunch. But most of the time, you see much better results if you have a time crunch for the initial launch, then you get to work on it and tweak it over another, much longer length of time. I wrote a program for a hospital back in 2013, it did a very specific job, but I also included a couple of other tweaks to make the experience better for the users of the workstation. It did everything behind the scenes and cut our calls down immensely at the IT help desk. Over the following year, I tweaked and perfected the program, even adding in new features that would help diagnose, fix, and document other issues with the computer. I ended up leaving in 2015. In the end, the program did so much work that the IT department forgot that it was there until they went to install new machines years later and wondered why their call volume increased by 5x until they realized the issue. The best programs or GCI are the ones that go completely unnoticed. A+