SWT NA West RF Winners Quarters - BassMage (Jigglypuff) Vs. Larry Lurr (Wolf, DK) SSBU Ultimate

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[@bluetannery1527]

3:30 that was a nair, not a dash attack

[@samoscamo1]

The Hbox Armada MU sure has changed over the years.

[@rpepero4774]

LMAO

[@washingmashine921]

Larry Really said "return to monke"

[@the_bookworm8281]

This strangely reminds of late SSB4 where Captain L's pocket Puff cleaned Larry's clock. Although Larry did get revenge on L's Puff later down the line, years of not fighting this character has come back to bite him. BassMage did play out of his mind this set though.

[@IcebergSSBU]

I did not think you said "clock" at first lol. I read something else. 😂

[@playharderscrub]

I don’t know if u meant clock but I saw something else 😂😂😂

[@voodooedits785]

Bro I'm shocked larry didn't pull out the Falco I think he does super well against puff Up tilt is a super good answer puff's approach options mostly pound can edgeguard puff. Also he combos her super well cause puff is floaty and dies very early. Edit: I heard ESAM say brawler is a good choice to use cause of thrupper windows being very large on puff

[@cameronstrouth7614]

Forreal tho, falco actually does pretty decent there

[@swampsong9740]

probably an issue with being edge guarded if i had to guess. while dk's recovery is worse, the nature of the hitbox that surrounds it is more handy against puff than that of falco

[@NCozy]

There are things DK definitely does better at in the MU. A lot of his moves are super disjointed which can wall puff out. Also his weight makes the frame window for dair rest a lot stricter.

[@wuhhlfarg5578]

But once he's off stage as Falco he is 90% dead allready

[@princemanu1650]

Falco might do better but the MU ls still not in his Favor.

[@h0m3st4r]

I think Larry fared better against BassMage with DK than with Wolf.

[@asam2738]

he did until that last game because bassmage adapted and figured out how to edgeguard his dk

[@TheMainAntagonist]

@@asam2738 I think the stage didn't help. If Larry had stuck with DK on a bigger stage, he had a much better chance of winning

[@asam2738]

@Aye Jonny yeah i agree. he won the first game on smashville by using dk’s disjointed arms and evading the edge guards but i don’t think he shoulda ran it back

[@Sancnea]

@@asam2738 He didn't. Bassmage was the one picking the stage at the time.

[@asam2738]

@Santy K i’m saying he agreed to the runback when he shouldn’t have

[@RubixNinja]

DK can just trade hits with puff, and A. his hits are always stronger and B. He's a lot heavier. Even if he trades 1 out of 3 exchanges, he'll likely win.

[@PKYAIR]

Don’t forget about ding dong either

[@mukinabahtx338]

and dk’s recovery is weirdly tough for puff to gimp as well. great counterpick honestly

[@sebastiansullivan4770]

i find it a simialir ratio with ryu vs jiggs

[@NVS_Snake]

But Jiggs has pound which goes through a lot of moves. And nair/fair/pound for really good edge guarding. Puff has options

[@shanetobin3609]

@@mukinabahtx338 bassmage is really experienced with the matchup because he played chunky Kong a lot, and while we didn't see it a ton in this set, Jigglypuff's soft fair can edge guard donky kong quite well.

[@EpicLuigi12]

BassMage makes Hbox proud that Jigglypuff is going at the world stage.

[@DeletedDenizen]

😢

[@proudson3409]

Larry needed a better grasp of DK’s tool box in the MU. He kept grabbing out of shield and got punished eveytime. Bass age was great so attentive

[@TopOfAllWorlds]

cominatator just wrong in that first match. Puff rest kills there and no melee puff would NOT rest there because they would trade stocks for NO REASON.

[@alexordaz5342]

I feel like these commentators are just saying things for the sake of saying things. Not good commentators imo.

[@zanyskeleton5291]

@@alexordaz5342 they did a good job commentating the match imo

[@temphy]

always. rest.

[@funjukebox1324]

The point that the commentator was making was that rest in this game doesn't kill nearly as early as melee rest, in fact Melee and smash64 had the best iterations of rest, brawl and forward rest kind of sucks tbh, it doesn't have the same explosive kill power like it used and doing it on a super heavy is always risky especially because you're not always getting star KO'd in these new games

[@Hellopleesh]

thank god someone else realized how wrong that was lol

[@sauce8277]

Jiggly is like Shulk. While, like Shulk, she doesn’t break the rules of the game, you will almost always be playing her game. It’s annoying as can be. Either you acknowledge her option coverage and play her game to probably win…or you continue to play normally and lose.

[@Seba20901]

unless you main Ike

[@sauce8277]

@@Seba20901 Nope. Even then Jiggly still plays her game. While she has to be a BIT more accurate, Ike’s option coverage is literally the same as a spacie. Just with a much bigger hit box. That just the fundamentals of the games design.

[@peterpotts7482]

Thats a good way of putting it.

[@sauce8277]

@@peterpotts7482 IMO, Leffen actually optimized how to beat jiggly puff in Melee from this. He plays her game until her early kill-percent and then just plays his game for the kill since he can do whatever he wants then. But the question is still really important for the character in ultimate…..Basically she has a window of time where she is “in control” until, at worst, she trades until kill percent. I think ultimately(no pun intended) it isn’t because she can’t throw out neutral options as much since this game isn’t as fast. But….the game has slowed down too….so is she actually really good?

[@JanitorMusician]

@@Seba20901 i think you mean unless you main Palu, then jiggs completely has to play around palu's game in neutral . Ike is similar but Palu calls out jiggs jumps with nair . ike does a good job with it but gets edgeguarded hard

[@autumndth]

That last stock was insane

[@zacksimmons4146]

This was so hype. Love watching jiggly pull it off

[@Clefargle]

NAIR>FAIR>FAIR took me out of bracket today

[@brau_bj2060]

what part is that?

[@Clefargle]

@@brau_bj2060 the last kill

[@LordZanba]

It was tough but fun to watch a match between my two mains. Usually I try and pick up ways to improve when I see one, so there was a lot to follow when seeing two.

[@diegot143]

You must like playing against min min with those mains

[@spracketskooch]

Been playing Jiggs from day 1, always had faith that she could do well if someone actually tried.

[@reallygoodsnusnu]

In a game where people say movement is extremely important it’s amazing that people ignore the puff

[@willycheez7218]

Puff is mid tier

[@julianmanjarres1998]

@@willycheez7218 all bc of the fair buffs tbh, otherwise she was trash

[@TopOfAllWorlds]

@@willycheez7218 Yes, you're right. She the most mid teir character in the game. Which is fine, mid teir isn't a bad thing.

[@DeemerAV]

all she has is horizontal air speed, the rest of her movement is all bottom level. literal slowest fall and fast fall speeds in the game, lowest gravity, third lowest run speed, below average traction, and being the second lightest in the game all give her rather poor agility as a whole.

[@Psychoma99]

@@TopOfAllWorlds Mid tiers are viable

[@lordbebsi]

I've heard from a few Puff players that the DK matchup is actually really bad for Puff. You end up trading a lot, but since DK pretty much hits you hard enough to win neutral every time. Yeah you can edgeguard him really easily, but it still really tough.

[@silaspq]

DK is very hard for puff to edgegaurd. like its possible, but all of puffs moves send up, and dk can just keep coming back with that hiorazontal recovery, and those arms are hard to avoid.

[@aoeu256]

Puff can do uair -> rest, fair -> rest on DK...

[@lordbebsi]

@@aoeu256 this just in, DK has a bottom 3 disadvantage state Doesn't change anything I said, Puff has to play really well because one mis-timed rest could result in your stock being obliterated sub 40. Given my comment was a year ago I'd day I may have been reaching by saying it's "actually really bad for Puff" but generally I still believe that it's advantage for DK, even at worst

[@kcw3177]

Let’s Go Bass!!!! This match was so HYPE!!!

[@josephwoo69]

lol last week i ran into bassmage on elite smash. He absolutely clapped my cheeks

[@NA1c158]

My ganon took a game off of bass mage on elite the other day. Last stock, could've gone either way. Then he beat me without taking damage. The guy is insane.

[@TheCaretaker65]

When the narrator calls a fair a dash attack... (3:25)

[@goldenbaster22]

There were so many times where Larry would've actually gotten a kill if he used the giant punch, also he needs to used up tilt at higher percentages too. Also spamming Bair with DK vs Jiggs is literally the MU even if its trading

[@thomasr.6669]

As a Puff main, I agree with all of this. Such a brutal MU for me.

[@ohcomeon1111]

Yeah I don't get the point of powering it up not to use it lol

[@G.H.M.]

We don't see enough of Larry Lurr's DK

[@thekingbradable]

Didn’t even consider Falco once smh

[@Rickby]

That final stock of the video was MEAAAAAN

[@carrymcbarry]

Amazing commentary, thank you guys 🎉❤

[@apolotion]

Flashbacks to Larry vs Captain L in Smash 4

[@gerardorodriguez7858]

BassMage plays so agressively, I love it. If he was this good with a character that could kill he would be unstoppable

[@davidshengelia8400]

Incoming Larry lurr Jiggs is broken video

[@brau_bj2060]

Brooo... what was that last game last stock combo?? it was less than 10 seconds! 15:04

[@Huitzel]

Dude this set was so sick

[@JaredTVW]

Wow that end was insane.

[@tidianesimpson]

Larry has a double jump habit, because he uses wolf so much and it translates to his other characters. He whiffs grabs and dash attack too much. I really think he should try palu pika or pt.

[@DevelonLP]

Doesnt he believe in his falco or what happened that he didnt go Falco against jigg

[@Super_Smash_Dude]

Not sure why he didn't use Falco ethier...

[@thomasr.6669]

Might be because Falco’s recovery is very linear and Puff can edgeguard it pretty easily. That’s just the spacie issue in general.

[@Freakybananayo]

Good stuff BM

[@goe5]

What a beautiful finish!!! Well done! ✨👏🥹

[@Weyk47]

bro the last game wolf pick SMH. Didn't grounded Up b once with DK. woulda won him game 4.

[@jakeslamakowski6990]

He could have caught a few rolls and deleted a stock easily. He was probably worried about the end lag, but it would have been good to try it once or twice.

[@Weyk47]

@@jakeslamakowski6990 he started using down b FINALLY and that was almost enough. just 2 grounded up b's. bassmage was jumping in constantly with aerials and that armor woulda ate that shit up. His dk went ham though, ngl.

[@jakeslamakowski6990]

@@Weyk47 considering the match up he did amazing, but catching aerials and rolls with the monkey spin would have likely got him the W. Great set though! Not often you see either characters this far in bracket.

[@NCozy]

Up B probably too risky especially with rest on the table for Puff. If he whiffs or if Bassmage falls out he could be dead.

[@Weyk47]

@@NCozy This isnt melee mane. Rest sucks butt.

[@brockjohnson100]

Wow! That last game was insane!

[@SaturnSnapple]

I cant believe i'm saying this. He should've stayed Wonkey Dong

[@JPeg35]

Larry DK plays well this MU and good disavantage mixup

[@ojodeoro1106]

BassMage is so hype

[@ryngtolu4334]

Man he was actually winning with DK, would have love to see a full set Puff/DK.

[@toritwopointoh]

it really felt like bassmage figured out that DK recovery at the end of game 4 though

[@ryngtolu4334]

@@toritwopointoh You are still winning 2-1 as DK, of course in a set someone can adapt at one point, what you have to do is adapting back, and he would have 2 counterpicks too (well, one in this set since he lost game 1 as Wolf).

[@liamm113]

2:46 _monKEY?_

[@puffnstuff7905]

Lets go Bass!!

[@Johnny-Badhair]

1:00 the commentator really thought rest wouldn’t have killed there?

[@guts1830]

2:47 MONKE?!?!

[@devonlucero2113]

I keep seeing ppl say MU. What does that mean? Great set BTW, love seeing puff in ultimate

[@sean_thomson]

MU = match up Character vs character matches are described as losing, winning, or even MU (sometimes given numerical values of -2 through +2). That is to say a character has qualities/moveset that beats out the other character.

[@devonlucero2113]

@@sean_thomson Thank you my man!!

[@VirtualLusamine]

Bass mage more like bassed mage holy shit that was epic

[@YamashitaKoikeDS]

It's hard to believe people really think Jiggs actually wins this MU as a character when it's actually the player. Take BassMage to Monkey Monday and see what happens.

[@J242D]

Honestly surprised at the lack of falco esp game 5, but hype af set from both players

[@JoJo-zc3xm]

HIT'EM WIT THAT SETH ROGEN

[@valyunironbane8996]

2:46 MONKE??????

[@stebopign]

Fun Larry Fact: I have None right now :(

[@caiogaver3402]

Ayyy Larry. Miss Sm4sh Larry Lurr.

[@flabchunky3068]

I don’t understand those who say jigglypuff is bad. Well played to both parties and also… Love me some dk

[@L0R3N23]

What happened to the falco agenda!?

[@Hellopleesh]

The commentator not realizing the rest would have killed the first stock at 80%+ was really sad lol.

[@jasonlobo2350]

Considering rest has been nerfed on every game since melee then i agree with them

[@dennisd.4726]

Not enough people fair during recovery as DK. I main DK and it is so powerful and at times very unexpected. Works especially well on floaty chars like jigs if you space it correctly.

[@RAM-is7di]

I think aerial down b is better since its faster and has intangibility in dks hands

[@gameandflogchannel]

It’s works on online scrubs, definitely not at this level

[@JAMman]

1:28 you really going to do hbox like that? 👀

[@KevSB07]

between the two of them, it really isn't close, Bassmage is way better

[@turtlezrcool7252]

He actually went “m0Nk3!?”

[@justchillins1c3l46]

Zhongli went from okay to great after some complaining. Everybody needs to embrace their inner Karen and ask for mihoyos manager

[@TopOfAllWorlds]

Puff vs Wolf is like 60 - 40 puff favored I've always liked the matchup. I've been saying it since a month into the game

[@voodooedits785]

No way puff wins the matchup it’s wolf favored bassmage just hard outplayed Larry when he used wolf

[@DeemerAV]

Bassmage himself puts wolf as even

[@voodooedits785]

@@DeemerAV okay but there's no way puff wins that matchup

[@elchupacabra1406]

Nah I'm a Wolf main and the MU is at worst even for Wolf, lasers and rising shines help a lot in that MU to make sure that Puff isn't dominating center stage. Wolf does generally get bodied offstage though

[@noodlechrist]

Good commentary

[@acespades5540]

BassMage might be better than Hungrybox lol

[@frostlemoncake]

jigglypuff reminds me of mooncake in final space. "POK"

[@Nards_1997]

I wanted to see the falco

[@plomorex2921]

I can see that last stock at yeetsmash

[@stebopign]

The clutch We Will Rock YOu!

[@sasunouchiha1400]

"The likes of bassmage"

[@hismikeness4840]

Non skippable ads? No sub then.

[@Alex-kc7tp]

Bassmage i know its not technically the most safe option to go for but sometimes you just GOTTA go for the raw rest man. Especially against dk its such a losing matchup you totally need that comeback factor to match dks kill power.

[@mathijsvanschothorst3005]

As much as I like watching a raw rest, it’s basically never a good option

[@DeemerAV]

Bassmage is the best puff because he plays optimally and doesnt do stuff like that in important matches. He knows what he's doing, if he plays a set without using rest, you can be sure that its because he did not need it

[@noirlavender6409]

he should have stayed dk and sideB more

[@Doberbull]

Falco would have been better than wolf

[@LovelyNayru]

Battle of the mid tiers in top 16?? I’m here for this 🎈

[@alottaguala9766]

DK or Falco my bro wolf aint the moveee

[@jafetvargas5408]

Holy shit! This Jiggly Puff

[@Haikuenjoyer]

15:21 :(

[@necromax13]

C'mon Larry how many times did you throw grab out of shield???? Dayum.

[@realtalk2835]

jiggz in winners-quartes...nice!

[@Flyb0yy]

Hbox isn't the best puff?

[@voodooedits785]

No he isn’t bassmage has been better since the game released

[@kestrel7493]

CharlieDaKing said something at summit about the more popular player always being perceived as the best. I think this is the most clear with puff where bassmage has consistently outperformed hbox but hbox is more popular so some people just think he's the best

[@mohamedbelbaali659]

Dk beat jiggs easily free matchup

[@tomfontaine1757]

Down b maybe?????

[@gabrielalfaro3058]

good combat

[@wafflesalad8230]

lets go bass

[@NoneNullAnd0]

Jigglypuff isn't bad. If you're looking for an underdog character, you'll have to go all the way down to Lucario or Ice Climbers.

[@A_Shut-in_NEET]

Should have stuck with the dk

[@voodooedits785]

Or pick Falco

[@catpuddingsweetrolls]

biggest throw from garry gurr

[@willycheez7218]

Bro really counterpicked with the bottom 5 character 💀

[@jbyrd3132]

Yeah Larry did this in the qualifiers against another Puff and obliterated them.

[@luckymanx2978]

DK may be apart of the bottom 30 characters but still the gaps between characters are very very low most matchups are even

[@reperfan4]

I mean it got him 2 games. Even low tiers can have good matchups, that's what counterpicks are for

[@luckymanx2978]

@@reperfan4 i don't he should have switched back

[@willycheez7218]

@@luckymanx2978 Most matchups are absolutely not even, 80% of DK's matchups are -9999

[@zachhollingsworth175]

Really feel like Larry should have thrown out more super armor moves as DK. Bass mage was just constantly throwing out aerials on his shield, and on Larry himself for immense pressure. Throw out your side B, neutral B or up B. Take that trade 10/10. Once he has to respect the fact that you'll just trade with him with a super armor attack, he would have to quit hitting buttons. 🤷‍♀️

[@ニコニコしながら怒ってる人]

眠らないプリン

[@kelshawnmiller9310]

Poor Larry 😒

[@BlazePascal22]

BasedMage

[@noforwhat5767]

Daaaamn

[@legacy9685]

hbox is definitely gonna learn a few things or 2 from this guy beating Larry is no easy feat

[@christianrowell1081]

In all honesty I think hungrybox jiggly puff would destroy Larry's dk based on his style. However I think bass mage puff is better overall because he plays safe

[@michaelmiles6311]

I see monke i click

[@thegnshut9922]

Why does he keep grabbing

[@captainobscurity491]

Basedmage

[@jesusalejandrogarciagamez3243]

Larry never wins uh! 😆

[@-_soy_-888]

Every Wolf main is fuming