Vic Juris - Horizon Drive

[@seostattler]

I dont care what peoples views are on whether hip hop is art or not but DJ Premier is an ARTIST because to sample less than 4 seconds of a 6:37 long piece of music and identify that as something that could potentially become the basis for an entire piece of music is GENIUS nothing less SNM

[@Kb64kollection80s]

Yes it is 💪🏿 I agreed with you

[@dvc9939]

Hip hop is art of course

[@iam01]

💯

[@dj_colombian_dread9901]

Factsss

[@512ent]

He had to have been digging to make Mass Appeal 😂

[@samiam7342]

primo is a genius, i dont know how he found that little snippet and flipped into one of the dopest beats ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@TyroneJhonsonBBC]

If you listen closely at 3:27 that one tiny little snippet is repeated in the mass appeal, some little changes to make it sound deeper etc and you have it

[@liljons6753]

Listening to a whole track is how.....many play a record and be done ...under a minute...lol

[@JLJ504HD]

Hip Hop producers do study their music. They basically give it a second life.

[@slimbeaux-slice8339]

In an interview, he said this song was intended to poke fun at radio and the inoffensive, watered-down sound of hip-hop songs. He chose this sample because it was reminiscent of elevator music.

[@dj_colombian_dread9901]

That’s a whole fact

[@MusicFan.....]

3:29 Cant believe Primo Turn 2 seconds of a song into one of the Nastiest Beats in Music History, Genius.

[@losdayz2894]

Word 😎

[@phobosmonolith4863]

Just imagine hearing that switch up in this song and not going "Holy shit"

[@kimberlyparekh]

Seriously

[@icecreampimpdeux]

DJ Premier has a very keen ear for that type of thing!

[@ArnieIsOn]

How to make Gang Starr- Mass Appeal 1. Take the snippet from 3:29 mark 2. Do a 4-beat loop 3. Decrease 4 semitones 4. Increase the high EQ THUS, YOU MADE A LEGENDARY BEAT!!!!

[@Tajare215]

Now that's just stealing lol

[@goobert2469]

@@Tajare215 make a dope song out of a little bit like that then

[@spb7883]

@@goobert2469 MAKE THE ORIGINAL SONG! It IS stealing. Celebrate JURIS!!!

[@djarcadian]

@@spb7883 take a crappy song and make a classic hip hop song.

[@morreddie717]

@@spb7883 sampling isnt stealing, just because you're original doesn't mean you automatically make good music. why cant you people appreciate both making music with and without samples? you don't have to critcize one thing and praise the other thing, they're both great in their own ways.

[@fadedoutt]

MAAAAAAN that's crazy how he caught that lil melodic part!!! homie probably was half sleep during one of those late night sessions and jumped up when he heard that part.

[@Mateo.7777]

I know that's some obscure shit right there

[@KyleFeauxSho]

I'm saying! Insane how people are able to take a little snippet and create gold. The way you put it is definitely how I see it happening. Right when he was about to give up.

[@strungout4213]

Heard the 3 second clip the other day while walking through a shopping mall and went holy shit mass appeal, DJ Premier is a genius! this is why DJ Premier is the greatest hip hop producer of all time.....this snippet? Primo found it? are you kidding me? so badass....

[@slimbeaux-slice8339]

Pete Rock’s sampling of Ahmad Jamal for Nas’ “World Is Yours” is equally dope.

[@terrysilverlight]

No matter what the cover credits say, here's who plays on this cut: Terry Silverlight - drums Vic Juris - guitar Barry Miles - Rhodes Lincoln Goines - electric bass Ray Mantilla - percussion Credits are accurately listed on the back side of the vinyl album.

[@stillphil]

ah! No wonder, it sure didn't sound like Rick Laird.

[@hughblue1404]

Hey, awesome track, you sound great. Thanks for this!

[@oafleming]

Don't forget DJ Premier on the Cuts!!

[@Djtonystewart]

3:29 is where history was made!! Dj Premier is the illest!

[@itskillasound]

3.26 = Hip Hop history

[@maplenyc3161]

Helll yeaahh!!!!!

[@Vic-rf6hs]

Holy smokes I wish someone could re-sample that part and make it into hip hop jazz; A tribe called quest vibes.. btw I still love mass appeal

[@spb7883]

Wrong: JAZZ history

[@goobert2469]

@@spb7883 I don’t think jazz adored that little bit until hiphop started to

[@tucsonhiphop]

premier was on some shit fukin incredible!!!!

[@johnwalker7945]

I count 2 seconds on the sample, still both songs are masterpieces. There's definitely a tradeoff going on here. Fan of both songs have been introduced to another great song that they probably never would have heard had it not been for the other. So it's the beauty of music. The turntable is certifiably officially a musical instrument!!!!

[@DJReflect]

As a huge fan of jazz, soft jazz, etc. And a huge fan of hip hop. This tune does many things for me obviously. Vic and this collective put together an amazing piece here back in the late '70s with this one, love that classic Vic guitar, and then DJ Premier took a small slice of heaven out of here and turned it into a whole different thing with guru pretty damn slick from front to back. Today I kick back and listen to the original as I have many times. Maybe later I'll go listen to some GangStarr.

[@MsTexas73]

This post here! I love the original. It is heavenly. Doesn’t take away my love of the hip hop sample or the song that samples it. But this here jazz original is some kind of wonderful. ❤️💫✨🤗

[@bcareful]

Yo, how in the hell did Primo find that sample???..guy is an absolute genius

[@discoverydavid]

Peeps so lucky to have the internet...when I was younger digging for breaks was a long and exhausting process.

[@clueless0414]

But fun if you love music!

[@stakesishigh577]

It still is. People always looked at album credits and things like that but the art of digging for loops and breaks is still alive even with the sample snitching internet around.

[@doggygamer6487]

MASS APPEAL!!! Awesome song. No wonder It was sampled to make one of the best hip hop songs ever.

[@tuberider1976]

3:29 - 3:32 ;D golden ears

[@tavencio879]

mass appeal hard to earn gangsta starr

[@hoodiestimbs2783]

Golden era

[@matsceulemans4393]

Kool herc also used this

[@biffboffo]

I remember the day this sample was revealed on the old Crates email list over 20 years ago. People had been wondering about this sample for a long time until someone stumbled upon it. A $3 record became a $40 record.

[@TheJazzcritic]

RIP Vic - you were a fresh voice and great musician. A very sad way to end the year.

[@cyanure93]

the day i heard this song i realize one thing : Sampling is a gift to Humanity

[@hugrad99]

Oh yes you are so right. A true hero to music

[@RaiRaiBrown]

This sounds like old school elevator music, Primo is a master, I can't believe he took that snippet from this song!.

[@spb7883]

If you don’t understand the style don’t comment on it.

[@morreddie717]

@@spb7883 the same goes for you.

[@marilynschultz4108]

Lovely soulful melody, and after seeing Vic in person, he's just a great modest guy!

[@arch7143]

No way you never make it Come with the weak shit, I break it Step into my zone mad rhymes will stifle ya

[@mourad80]

+ArchaeoL๏gist tha ArchVIlLąIn gang starr for life

[@DhiaMedina]

Lines like rifles go blast when i kick some ass A lot of rapper be like one time wonders Couldn't say a fly rhyme if there was one right under

[@nil4309]

Dj Premier + Nardwaur sent me here...

[@grit_l]

same!

[@ChocolateDon929]

Samehere lol

[@kr0nic666]

Me too brother :)

[@mystereo9041]

Hell yeah IMMEDIATELlY

[@tipsythefedora]

we should start a club.

[@willemishard]

mass appeal is great, but this song is equally dope

[@shantellbishop92]

willem rebel Steel Sharpens Steel.

[@iwannaseeit1979]

Agreed ✊🏾

[@goobert2469]

Of course

[@Bennettfieman]

Out of curiousity, why compare?

[@Loader2K1]

@tuberider1976: It's amazing that a three-second sample from this song is the basis for a classic hip-hop song. Funny how thing works out. "Horizon Drive" reminds me of this one soothing jazz music track in Sega's classic arcade game Out Run.

[@EKIM713]

Awesome !!! Shout out to all the homies out her diggin for original tracks to our fav samples & scratches from the past! Keep on Diggin!!!

[@biggpapidadon7134]

Damnit man...you gotta have a study ear to find little gems like this #Sheesh #Classic

[@STAKBUNDLES]

this guy is a genius but premier is just einstein to the beats

[@masteremdee6808]

3:28-3:30. Only 2 seconds of a song to make a rap masterpiece!

[@LeafErikson]

Perfect ridin' song for the weekend. Guitar is jammin'

[@mrwill1779]

So relaxing ....family gatherings smiles barbecues dominoes in the backyard

[@yogibambino1249]

Preemo is just an absolute genius.......

[@kcutz]

3 sec. of pure hip hop @ 3:27

[@spb7883]

Hearing jazz, not hip hop.

[@embryonicmind1443]

3:29

[@kcutz]

@@spb7883 Guess you know nothing about the beauty of 12 seconds and an SP1200? Love replying to my 6 year old comment. Broad Horizons sir.

[@kcutz]

@@embryonicmind1443 I grab at 3:27. makes for an interesting chop.;)

[@spb7883]

@@kcutz I don’t. I know the beauty of this tune, but I also know that - out of respect for jazz AND hip hop - it’s not the latter. It may have been APPROPRIATED for the latter, but it’s no more hip hop than “The Odd Couple Theme” when used by the Geto Boys.

[@MsTexas73]

I FINALLY found this song!!! Been YEARS tryna figure it out...and NOW I actually remember hearing this as a kid too.

[@derrickhatten597]

Man..I know how happy you are...the story of my life is finding the obscure joints I heard as a kid...crazy about of Google searches

[@Olando89]

The way he flipped this is amazing

[@michigan21]

R.I.P Vic. Great guitarist.

[@KALEBER]

The genius of sampling, one has to ask themselves, " How the fuck did Premier hear that part and what made him make it sound the way it did on Mass Appeal? " thats the genius of sampling.

[@mrtruthhurts2307]

Dj Premier is a genius he turned this into a hip hop masterpiece

[@cedricmcclain4519]

Like both this song and Mass Appeal.

[@ggeemmiinnii]

Lovely tune, my God! Mass Appeal brought me here like so many others. The photo of the wake from the boat is an absolutely perfect accompaniment.

[@polyakovsu]

Волшебные секунды 3:26-3:29

[@capricornone4722]

Two seconds and the rest is History! 🔥

[@BigSherm]

Always one of the more surprising digs. Took that ear to hear correctly!!

[@ChrisTopher09]

None of us would be listening to this if it wasn't for Premo it would of stayed on the weather channel...

[@clueless0414]

😂😂😂

[@spb7883]

I have no idea who Premo is. Vic Juris (RIP) on the other hand I’ve known of for 20 years and almost had a chance to study jazz guitar with.

[@darkerkyo]

@@spb7883 dj. Premier a.k.a. premo is the one who sampled this track in the now famous song Mass Appeal by Gang Starr (R.I.P. Guru)

[@russyJ20]

@@darkerkyo Wonder if this artist got some royalties. Would be sad if he didn't, This is real talent

[@spb7883]

@@darkerkyo Again, could give a shit. People have to realize history doesn’t go in reverse, and there’s more to music than hip hop. Much more.

[@DCeeMusik]

2 second off of this gem made another masterpiece! Preemooooo!!!!

[@joerinaldi_music]

RIP VIC JURIS

[@joerinaldi_music]

Was gonna be my guitar professor at Rutgers

[@UltimaRedFireEskimo]

Rest in peace teacher ❤️

[@gusmartins1660]

Played the hell out of this. RIP.

[@23trillionskidoo]

i emailed vic juris about this song a year ago, he was still pissed about being ripped off and not compensated for the sample. i dont blame him

[@LAMEHERC1]

23trillionskidoo meh. its like 3 seconds of the song...he took it and turned it into something with a completely different vibe. its not the same song and premiers version is actually better.

[@michigan21]

WLG1 Yea, but it's three seconds of something Premier didn't create. I'm a old school hip hop head that's been into hip hop since the beginning, but i'm also a jazz head. You must pay the respect of the creators of the original. Just see any of Tribe's albums. They sampled some of the greatest jazz artist, but paid and cleared the samples.

[@michaelluciano1980]

+23trillionskidoo I bet it took awhile before Juris realized that his track actually had been sampled. Such an obscure part of a solo section where he isn't even playing guitar on 13 years after recording it. "Rap is an art you can't own no loops"

[@mourad80]

+michigan21 primo really never cleared the sample for this ? you got a source?

[@cliffworks748]

hmm the 4 bar 12 note phrase on Vic's version was probably improvised on the spot by pianist Barry Miles, so isn't he its creator? The similar first 2 bars of the phrase on Mass Appeal is only 5 notes. Can one copyright claim 5 notes played in an improvised solo as one's own unique creation? If so, every rock and Blues guitarist in history must be guilty and pay originators like Chuck Berry. Call the lawyers they can duke it out.

[@TKsh1]

Incredible sampling from Premier and a great song from Vic Juris. I wonder if he even got paid for it, because he deserves.

[@DZNUTZ8319]

I love the samples. This is a gem and 🔥.

[@blacklily624]

My ear is still trying to capture mass appeal. lol. Wow.

[@jdennis8883]

Premier is unbelievable for this.

[@kloanguy1]

He's sooooo good and sweet to listen too.

[@mikzreyes]

my ensemble director Vic Juris told me he was sampled by GangStarr today in class not a Nardwuar video.

[@oRuTRa45]

R.I.P. Vic Juris

[@iam01]

Man let me tell you. You have to listen to A Lot of records and pay attention to the small details just to catch something like that. Premo is The Greatest! 🐐 ♑️

[@luckap79]

thats crazy rip guru

[@granthbush]

Wow. Look at these comments. We all had our aha moments with this song. Mine came while playing pool at Little Joy in LA. I was in the middle of a shot, but when I heard the riff, I stood up and said, "OH DAMN, GANG STARR!" Props to the DJ, props to Little Joy, and props, of course, to DJ Premier and Gang Starr. RIP!

[@spb7883]

What about props to the musicians who actually played on this damned tune?!?

[@guitargruver]

I actually took lessons from this guy. I was 20, long haired and playing deep purple. I still remember what he taught me. I was like what the hell do I need to know that for. And what a great man.

[@stevenfimmel6933]

Sounds a bit similar to my experience. In early 1982 Vic came to Melbourne with a faculty of jazz educators to host a 5 day (all day) jazz clinic. I was 22 and into rock and blues (and developing a love for the jazz sound and 'fusion' in particular). I had to audition before the 1st day of the clinic - as everyone was then placed in either the 'beginner/intermediate' or 'advanced' student classes. Vic wanted me to play a blues as a solo (chord melody) and I had no clue then, and he then just played stuff that blew my mind. I didn't make the 'advanced' class ! :-) It was a great experience being tutored by players of that standard for 5 days. The other guitarist faculty member present was Steve Erqiuaga. We were allowed to bring recording devices of the sessions. I should have converted all these to digital, but only converted a few samples (regretfully).

[@Unkle_Mike]

This is the music you hear when the cable company puts you on hold.

[@Bennettfieman]

Not even close

[@ant9500]

This song has Mass Appeal

[@chrisedwards3214]

Cool jam love mellow jams like this old head like me love fixing out where rappers get their beats from and even when you hear the originals you flip when you hear some ody sample years later

[@ronniejohns6371]

Let’s not forget the vocal sample from Pass The Mic remix by Da Youngstas. This is also where the song Mass Appeal gets it’s name.

[@ericmckayrq]

reminds of Pat Metheny.Killer. Thanks Primere

[@waxmaster-c]

Are you prangent?

[@taylordguitar]

This song is great anyway. So is mass apeal

[@lordgrute]

love it

[@biggbatt]

Damn Primo did the damn thing Great song regardless.

[@pLife-bh4pu]

Thanks, DJ Premier!

[@MisterMan3OOO]

Wow!!!!! I had no idea this was sampled @5:36 by Taylor Dayne's greatest hit "I'll Always Love You"....I'll always love GREAT MUSIC.

[@addisclinton1970]

Say what??? Wow

[@spb7883]

For all those who praise a dj for sampling this, with all due respect to you and that person please respect the fact that these jazz musicians- whether Vic Juris, Jack Wilkins, or Ronnie Foster - had no idea what hip hop was at that time and had no intention of creating something that would be used in it. When I hear this cut I don’t hear a hip hop sample. I hear a great jazz fusion record influenced by Metheny and Martino, but no sample.

[@albertopicciau8202]

I listen 80s and 90s Hip-Hop but i agree with you, here we are on another level, nothing can beat the peak reached in the 70s and early 80s with original Jazz Fusion and Funk music.

[@ElronCorinthian]

Wow... did I hear snip of gangstarr in this song.... nice man, nice

[@astrognat]

@seostattler ... yes, John Lennon also says: "...what Yoko did with “Greenfield Morning”-took half an inch she taped ...and I saw her create something. I saw her start from scratch with something we would normally throw away. ...with “Greenfield Morning” and “Paper Shoes” there was nothing there for her to work with. She just took nothing - that’s the way the genius shows through any media. You give Yoko or Spector a piece of tape, two inches of tape, they can create a symphony out of it..."

[@allennoisette8830]

💪🏾👑 #Gang⭐ Dropped me off here 😂

[@WhiteElephantPower]

how did primo found the 2 seconds of sample in a 6 minute song and make it a banger!?!?!??????

[@deenabraxton7252]

phi ! means nice,good, and BEAUTIFUL! : )

[@marquiseconchola7283]

This is my jam

[@marvlinlewis]

Gang Starr took me here😀

[@tremainedejohnson8136]

In order for you to be a master at anything you have to have an opening view of everything as well. DJ premier listen to this much music in different genres just to find this snippet.😮😮😮

[@ofudgems]

I couldn't have said it any better! :D

[@illmatic826]

Mass Appeal

[@Mortison77577]

Smooth jazz before the time of smooth jazz?

[@thatman9792]

3:29 is where premier got that mass appeal from

[@QuietstormRB]

This would've been a perfect song for Outrun

[@josecoreano633]

The end of the 49ers/ Vikings game sent me here. They were playing this while Tony Dungy was speaking.

[@kenny1994sisi]

3:29

[@Vliegmans]

Thanks mate I keep pressing.

[@gilonics1016]

Vic Juris @ 2:58!!! R.I.P Guru

[@EvidenceBasedMedsin]

The cut was at the beginning and was easier to sample on the SP1200, the 2 seconds were looped and quantized.

[@ghoulronin_onps4n362]

I’m sorry i just have to save this to my playlist, I hope I can find one a bit longer though lol.

[@IHeartNoise]

I was just reading about how Busta Rhymes song sampled Miles Davis - you listen to the original (Bess, You Is My Woman Now) and you can't hear that sample anywhere. I guess that it speaks for how clever the producer behind it is/was. Same story here.....

[@filipbaselides6498]

„Money is growin' like grass with the mass appeal! ”

[@jameshullihen649]

sounds like cross between Benson & Martino. Sounds like it belongs on the Benson & Farrell album.

[@logicalblackman8228]

Da Youngstas!

[@FreeThought911]

@tuberider1976 wow dude really...He really didn't sample a lot of the record and still made a classic.

[@candcandcandc]

Can't find a digital copy of this song anywhere

[@ronakinwonderland]

Doesn't really feel so old or in the 80s, it feels like an everyday song

[@artyvandelayed]

I think it's relatively easy to spot a melody that sounds ill.. if you have the record on hand.. the hard part is making it work in production

[@tharris91]

Thats Even Doper my friend

[@Bouchon211]

THIS is what sampling is! People like Kanye Pest just steal the entire instrumental and hook of a song that was released a year prior and puts some crappy rhyming over it.

[@morreddie717]

sampling can be whatever, nobody should choose what sampling should and shouldnt be, the only thing that matters is it sounds good.

[@margaritclaudiu2070]

MASS APPEAL