Vice Pro VS Titleist ProV1 // Can you save money on premium golf balls?

Testing the new 2020 Vice Pro golf ball against the gold standard Titleist ProV1 to see what differences may come up in speed, launch, spin and durability.
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[@cameronloveless1751]

Please test Vice Pro+ against the Pro V1X. But more importantly, please test the Snell MTB and MTB-X against the Pro V's as well. Thanks guys

[@kaydenheiner4866]

yess

[@devonschlesing9629]

Snell 4 life 🤙🏻

[@nathanaulenbach6997]

I’d love to see you guys create a golf ball chart. Based on Ian’s fitting experience with different balls. Have some kind of chart that shows, these balls spin the most, these spin the less, these launch higher these are faster. And maybe split them up in a swing speed bracket.... I know asking a lot! But I think people could do a lot of troubleshooting of their own ball flights if they utilized information that you provide which is non biased compared to what every ball advert says that it’s the best, fastest most played, spins more goes further blah blah blah

[@randymahony8157]

Ok now we need the tree test and the cart path test .

[@mangoman2148]

I'd only need to play one hole to put the ball through the 'tree + cart path + skulled wedge' durability test.

[@garyoutdoors9944]

Played the vice pro+ yesterday and shot pb of 73. They felt terrific and used 2 balls with no blemishs at all. Love them.

[@scottsmith8546]

I found one of the Vice Pro Plus golf balls on my golf course and I was totally shocked at the distance, control, spin, and durability of the 2020 balls. Playing the ball for 4 rounds before I lost it in a water hazard, the ball was amazingly similar to the Titleist ProV1 X ball or the TaylorMade TP5-X, but for some reason I was hitting it a little farther and I scored some of the best rounds of the year with it. So I decided to purchase some and ordered the 5 Dozen Lime Green Vice Pro Plus golf balls, because the prize to buy 5 dozen dropped to $25 a dozen! I am simply amazed at how well they perform and in all categories, especially off the tee. Irons, hybrids, chipping & putting, is outstanding....just like the other top two golf balls, but for some reason it just has that bit more roll out or flight than the them with the driver. I am completely overwhelmed by these balls and could not recommend them more highly. BTW - I love the "Lime" green" balls, simply because they are much easier for me to pick up the flight and see the lines on the greens.

[@chrisfesta8579]

In addition the the Pro +, I would love to see the Snell MTB X tested against the Pro V1X. I've played that a lot this year and have been thoroughly impressed.

[@glennsmith8373]

The Snell is the best bang for the buck as far as I'm concerned. I'm a believer and Snell player.

[@JungleLarry]

Not sure if you've seen it, but Today's Golfer did a robot test of 21 different balls, including the ones you mentioned. I won't link to it here, but you can search for it using that information. Pretty illuminating. Snell MTB Black is my gamer. I used the X last year, and tried the Red before that (which was unusable for me, as a high spin player). Big fan of both of Snell's current offerings.

[@edpspoopsock5150]

Snell struggles in the wind in my experience but I haven’t tried them since 2018. Maybe I’ll give it another go

[@chrisfesta8579]

JungleLarry oh interesting. I’ll check that out, thank you for sharing.

[@chrisfesta8579]

EDP's Poop Sock hmmm, I haven’t found that to be an issue with the MTB X, but I have noticed it is sensitive to spin axis tilt so draws and fades are more pronounced than say a Pro V1 X or Bridgestone Tour BX

[@robertsilman6480]

Fantastic video guys! I have always been a ProV1 loyalist, but law school has eaten into my golf budget. I recently switched to the Vice and love them. Great performance.

[@markvaughan3153]

Great video, guys! I played the pro v for years until switching to the Vice Pro last and have not looked back! The vice pro checks every box for me at almost half the price. And my scoring average has gone down a stroke and a half the last year. I play at a 4 handicap, been playing 40 years, and this ball does exactly what the Titleist does for me. Trust the video also and give the vice pro a try. You will not be disappointed.

[@daveg4014]

Would love to see the prov1x vs the pro plus, as that's what I'm playing

[@dirtyroo5562]

I agree. I started playing the vice balls. I’d love to see all the Vice types tested against the other Big Brands balls.

[@mattparsons946]

Throw in the left dash and Snell MTB-X, and you’ve got yourself a best-of long ball challenge.

[@henrylipscomb5660]

Look at the MyGolfSpy ball test and play with the widget at the bottom. You can select which balls to compare. I use Vice Pro, according to their testing the Vice Pro Plus' dispersion is significantly worse than, V Pro, ProV1, & ProV1x.

[@kevinallibone9214]

@@henrylipscomb5660 Only thing there is that the MyGolfSpy test is based on the 2019 ball, both Vice and Titleist have new balls for 2020.

[@henrylipscomb5660]

@@kevinallibone9214 That's true, but I think it gives a reasonably good reference. Vice Pro seems to have improved ball speed slightly since then. So it's possible Pro Plus has improved dispersion since then, but for me if a robot has trouble hitting it consistently that's a big red flag for me. Hence, why I use Vice Pro, and I love them. On my second 5 dozen bulk buy.

[@josephlovotti1055]

I've been using Vice Pro's for a few weeks now. I'm a mid handicapper. I loose balls from time to time. I feel way more comfortable using the Vice balls knowing I didn't spend a fortune to put them in play like I would with the Pro V1's. I ordered 5 dozen for $24ish and some change. They cost me less than 3 dozen Pro V's would have cost me. This test makes me even happier with my decision. Thanks Guys.

[@gagebenevento1880]

Would love to see a ball test of the new Snell MTBx vs the TP5x and Prov1x!

[@mikecacace1124]

Would love tro see this to!!! Keep up the great work guys love the channel

[@Lightandluck]

I've been playing Vice Pro plus for over a year now. Got the new version three weeks ago. Fantastic ball. I found a new version of Vice Pro and holed my tee shot on a short par 4. What a ball!

[@sethbeiden1305]

100% please test the Pro + to a Pro V. I would also LOVE to see a VICE Pro, Pro+ and Pro Soft test comparing each. I have been searching for that, and have played all 3 myself, and having some data would be fantastic. I love how nerdy you help me get with gear!

[@asnmvet08]

Just ordered 5 dozen pro plus. Was playing TP5x exclusively for 3 years. Joined a new club with a very tight links profile with LOTS of thick fescue. Got through ~100 rounds last year with 6 dozen balls at the old club, but have lost count this season. Great to see I’m getting great quality and performance.

[@erikcrossley5048]

Thank you for addressing the question of quality from ball to ball. Would have been my number one question. Good job guys!!!

[@jddobkin]

I’ve literally been lurking on the vice website debating buying some of these because my driver has been crazy inconsistent lately and I’m tired of spraying my ProV1’s into the woods. Thanks for this. Time to order some budget balls while I figure out my swing faults.

[@19thpar3]

I've been playing the vice pro lime now for 4yrs and can tell you unless your a pro or have all the money in the world its identical to the name brand balls at twice the price. They will occasionally have deals in the golf magazines where they give a promo for a free dozen if you buy 5 or register your birthday and they will give you free dozen as well. They are a stand up company as when I had just bought 5 dozen of the older ones I emailed them saying can I swap for the new ones. They said they can't do that, but sent me a free dozen just to try. I can't say enough great things about Vice as a company and the products they make. Cheers

[@sinterklaasje1975]

yes... playing the Vice Pro Plus for a few years now.... ordered the 2020 versions earlier this year. Ran out of my older Vice balls last week... now playing the new ones... very.. very nice!

[@pato7694]

Just purchased my first 5 doz. Vice Pro balls. Excellent balls. They dance on the green with my wedges and stop quick on mid irons. I love the soft feel when putting. I used one of the ball for an entire back 9 and it did have some cosmetic blemishes at the end. That said I shot a 38 on that back and I’m a 15 handicap so I’m not complaining. Super happy with my purchase thus far.

[@Crampyton1]

You somehow manage to bring out the right videos at just the right times as I was just wondering this morning what the Vice Pro balls would be like to play with. Good to see a solid comparison I can trust with no bias!

[@Fattyfatfatty6]

Was waiting on a group of guys to finish up on the hole in front of me. I just started looking through the bushes nearby and found a Vice Pro drip. It was in perfect condition and I kinda liked the design. Lost my ball 2 holes later and started using the vice pro… it lasted me the rest of my round. I went ahead and played another 9. That vice pro lasted me the entire round. Just has an amazing feel off an iron or full swing wedge shot. Great around the green as well. It really feels like a premium ball. Yeah me not losing that vice ball was probably just luck. But overall I did like it so as soon as I was done at the course I went and bought a dozen of those. Somewhat of an impulse purchase but it really is a great ball.

[@PFCAVB00]

Ive been playing pro and pro plus for a couple of years. Other than the occasional(one out of 2 dozen) single ball that just feels and flies weird, they are FANTASTIC for the value. Im really glad you guys showed the numbers for everybody to see.

[@mattparsons946]

1:41 part of why I play Titleist is that they are the touchstone that all other manufacturers use to describe their golf balls. That and I shot an 81 at Pebble with the left dash (which I wouldn’t have even heard of were it not for this channel, so... thanks guys 🤘😀

[@jjharrs2]

Would love to see something like a Snell/Bridgestone/ProV1 comp video.

[@airbaker2]

I play the Snell MTB-x. Any chance for a head-to-head comparison among the "direct-to-consumer" brands?

[@therrieur]

yea, would love to see wedge spin specifically on the mtb-x

[@lukel2651]

Would love to see you review the Snell MTB-X. Love your content gents, keep smashing it!

[@jamesohlson1633]

I switched from old Nike MOJO to the Vice Pro and love them! I am a high handicap golfer and do not want to spend the money to play a ProV1 or TP5 and the Vice Pro is awesome. More distance, more control, more consistency. I would love to see how the Vice Pro+ compares to the ProV1x.

[@5eanReardon]

To help save on cost, I play the ProV1 practice (which tends to be a mix of V1 and V1X) and Taylormade now sells the TP5 Practice. $30 a dozen and my understanding is they only have cosmetic blemishes. I will also play Srixon Zstar XV when Srixon does the buy one get one free sale.

[@jonathanmccottry1398]

I have been waiting for this. The 2020 version of vice has been loads better on durability. I play the pro+ neon and I haven't seen any issues yet

[@wallstreetoneil]

Probably a good ball for players that like to Draw their Driver - some added spin to reduce the magnitude of the toe'y diving hookball

[@kgeyedoc]

Spin helps with duck hooks? I always figured it was too much spin...

[@wallstreetoneil]

@@kgeyedoc the draw that becomes a diving hook is falling out of the air because it doesn't have enough backspin to hold the ball 'more' online and in the air. I'm not talking about a high in the air 50 yard overdraw that is because of poor face to path control and induced curvature. Modern drivers have all become lower spinning - trying to find that optimal & playable 2000-2300 rpm spin window - but 1700rpms is a cliff where if you have any spin axis tilt and don't have enough speed and angle of launch then draws have a way of diving hard and left (right-handers) - so using a ball with 300 more rpms of spin can literally save your drive - but you will give up a few yards of carry. All of the previous is why many of the tour guys live in the 2300-2500 spin window with their drivers - they have enough speed and launch and that little extra spin 'controls' the curvature at the expense of a few yards more carry - and mostly all of them have moved to hitting fades (which is basically a 1 word summary of all of the above)

[@IAM_Reedy]

For a mid handicapper (10) this is a great test for me. If I can save some money and not be upset when I donate one to the trees I’m pretty pleased. This performance test, at my level, says I’m not going to be able to see a huge difference between these two golf balls. Thanks guys for confirming that I don’t need to buy top of the line.

[@jarvisnederlof35]

Really liked the comments on the durability. Really helps fully understand the value proposition!

[@ndmagic99]

Vice are the best! Glad you are doing this review. Best deal in golf.

[@Stix77]

Stumbled onto your channel and now a new subscriber. Really enjoy your no nonsense scientific approach to reviews and tests. Keep up the great work!

[@OldguyChris]

I do like the vice ball....but I've been playing bridgestones lately....i appreciate what the vice are doing ...good job guys

[@Zipening]

Nice to see a little Munich Start-Up from around the corner in my homecountry to fight Titleist at the ball market with their unique concept. Looking forward to see ProV1x vs ProPlus. Here in Germany they support the golf league with their good deals for players. Really nice guys.

[@SnoXRacer183]

I keep searching for a reason to not spend $50/dz on ProVs, and this sure seems to be getting close to being the real deal for a semi-serious golfer. I've tried so many different brands and balls only to go back and hit a ProV and it feel just so right. I might have to try these if the sound and feel is nearly identical to a ProV. Would love to see the Pro Plus review as well.

[@markthegolfaddict9051]

Love to see you do this with snell mtb x and Srixon xv

[@maxgrahlher2206]

Would love that test! Really happy to see the Vice performing so well.

[@darrellshort5696]

I've been playing the Vice Pro for a few months now and also play the PRO-V1, I can't tell the difference other than Titleist is the premium brand name but that's really in my head. The bottom line for me is neither of these balls has a negative impact on my ball-striking or scores. It comes down to saving money. I basically play the Vice Pro for everyday rounds and PRO-V1s for tournament and league play... I give the Psychological edge goes to Titleist or more honestly my name brand Vaness goes to Titleist but the pragmatic side goes to Vice!

[@tthaas]

I can vouch for the durability of the Vice balls; I'm a relatively high handicapper, and managed to play one ball for 88 strokes last weekend. I put it back in the "use these balls for the bulk of a game again" part of my bag (as opposed to the "use these balls when you think you might lose one" part). Really good value for $30 a dozen (although I tend to use Kirklands more, just because I'm bad enough that losing balls gets expensive; the course I played last weekend didn't have a lot of water or impenetrable rough, so I "splurged.").

[@ndmagic99]

Fantastic review. I’ve been playing vice for 3 yrs. Great to see Vice finally getting the credit it deserves

[@timothydaniels504]

The first time I played Pro V1 balls, the early early version, I snap hooked two of them into a water hazard on the first hole. Since then my criteria for ball purchases have been 1. Are they round? 2. Do they cost less than dinner? Actually, I really liked the Srixon balls that you are/ were using in your fitting sessions. For me, they’re perfect.

[@nicklaus4512]

Play the Vice Pro Plus in yellow.. will never switch, price point for that minimal difference it’s a no brainer

[@scottbrenton4315]

All the ball tests are great. The wife and I play OnCore Elixr. My handicap is too high to constantly lose ProV

[@jpstough13]

Switched from the V1x to the Vice Pro this year and love it. I play a Mavrik Subzero driver, so didn’t need to worry about driver spin.

[@gregflynn1107]

Yes please test the Pro + vs the ProV1x. I play the Vice pro and love it. I go with the adage that you should play the best ball you can afford to lose. The Vice Pro is the best ball and I can afford to lose them 😎

[@MrRockso99]

Great video- I play pro plus and from experience it spins great around the greens, with wedges and mid irons. I have always thought the pro v1x might just go further when I hit driver. This proves it for me. That being said the pro plus is great value for the money and I will continue playing it.

[@keithcrane2164]

Would love to see the pro plus! I made the switch earlier this year from pv1 to the pro plus. Just got six boxes so I’m set for a while. Love them and didn’t see any drop in performance on the course. If anything I seemed to be able to spin wedges a little better. But I’m sure that’s more strike than ball. In any case, I’m a vice believer especially for the price.

[@user-hx7iu9xi1d]

I played the Vice Pro since 3 years, for me the difference I can see on pro v1 and vice pro is on 2 element, the first one is on putting, the pro v1 seem to have a softer feel than the vice pro, so i need to use a little bit of more power….so on putting I prefer the vice pro….and the other differences is on spinning, usually with vice pro if a hit a wedge the reaction with the vice I always or most of the time the same, hit the green and a little forward bounce , very rarely some back spin. And for pro v1 I can get sometimes too much back spin, and I am not a guy who like to play past the pin and planning back spin….so that’s why I prefer vice pro, I can play the yardage. I am 60, handicap 5, swing speed on driver average 95 - 97…rarely hit 100mph, and my low is 92. Financial wise is Vice pro with the deal 5 dozen

[@guychagnon9300]

Same interest for the test for pro plus vs Pro V1x, but also vice vs Snell. Good work guys.

[@adamdillman486]

been playing the vice pro+ all summer and love them! they feel, look, and work just as well or better as pro v or pro vx, for half the cost. the durability is awesome 👌, I'm a 12 handicap and played a few off trees and cart path, never once had a mark or blemish, great ball for anyone thinking of trying them

[@jeepeddy2447]

Vice Pro plus is my gamer and I love the feel anywhere on course! The Vice logo is also a classic and timeless look right there with the look of titleist logo.

[@ShepMike3934]

I've been trialling a Vice Pro + against TP5 and Pro V1 for months now and it's really good.

[@bradholomek9493]

Add the MTb-x to the vice pro + and the pro-v x test. Been playing mtb-x all season and they are fantastic!!

[@BidenIsKing]

Absolutely! I found them a bit too firm. Maybe they have made the pro plus softer! Excellent work! I buy 5 dozen vice pros each season.

[@patrickdibsie3809]

Yes please to the Pro Plus vs Pro V1x. Great to see the reviews on more affordable products!

[@seminolekilla]

Lol. Love them tryna scrutinize like they aren’t the same. I’d love to quibble about 4 yards when I’m hitting over 300. 😂😂

[@akme1974]

Been playing Vice for a season. Awesome. Won’t change

[@simonplumb8368]

I played the Vice Pro for a couple of years (5 cap). It was a really good ball all round, as this video found, it was basically a Pro V1 but did feel it gave up a bit of distance off the tee. The reason I stopped playing it though was quality. Over the two seasons I played it I had two instances that led me to drop it. First, a newish ball formed a big crack around half the perimeter after 27 holes of normal play. Weird. No impacts with trees, cart paths etc. Then, months later on a brand new ball I noticed a finger nail-sized chunk of urethane had fallen off the ball when I approached the green. It was the first hole and I’d literally pegged up a brand new ball and hit a driver and a pitching wedge with it. Good ball, but I couldn’t trust it after that. I sent Vice photos of the second ball and they didn’t want to know either, so that was that for me.

[@BHam222]

I’ve been playing the Vice Pro Plus. I’d love to see you guys test those as well!

[@jwhythebest]

I have been playing the Vice Pro this season and so far a great all around golf ball for the price!

[@JMcK910]

Kirkland Signature (Costco) and Inesis Tour 900 (Decathlon) are great 3-piece golf balls for less than half price of ProV1s, etc. They perform almost the same although a little more spin.

[@Crashteam1k]

Switched to Vice this year because I couldn't afford to loose all the pro Vs. I've loved them, play the pro + and I haven't noticed any inconsistencies

[@joeswain2099]

Snell MTBx vs ProV1x please!

[@xavierp21]

You gentlemen are producing amazing content! Thank you for keeping your content current and relevant to your viewers and subscribers!

[@kevinallibone9214]

I have played Vice Pro for the last 3 years and love them. Great value, great performance, and edgier brand than established golf companies. I also LOVE the Keep In Line (KIL) putting line, it's the best version of this on the market by far and definitely beats using a Sharpie. My last order I had half Vice Pro and half Pro+ and have really liked the Pro+ so would love to see a test with them against the Pro V1x.

[@vdegr00te]

Looking forward tot the PLUS test guys! Great content, I have been playing VICE balls for quite some time now...

[@gregoryh4601]

Thanks TXG. Awesome testing and love to see more testing against Vice pro Vs who ever!

[@chriselerick4770]

you mentioned nothing big in the golf ball space recently but callaway finally brought the new chrome soft x to market. it’s getting rave reviews, would love for you guys to try it.

[@gray_1x]

bit of a Golf beginner and ordered the Vice variety pack to try them all - working through the set

[@hugheshancock2080]

Would love to see more ball videos. Balls are the most confusing piece of equipment to me and I would love to see all major balls put against each other to know what each one is meant to do

[@jcjbike]

To get Vice priced so they are cheaper than the ProVs, you have to buy 5 dozen. If price is it, then every spring Titleist does their "buy 3, get one dozen free" logo'd ball (and now no logos if you don't want them) and it gets the per dozen cost down into the mid $30 range. To US golfers, Titleist are made in America... all things being equal, that should give their ball the nod. And if you are a german golfer, maybe that makes Vice more attractive.

[@RussellFlynn]

Been playing the Pro Plus for a couple of years ... Love the ball better than anyother

[@ndnd1671]

I got the trial pack and tried the vice pro soft and loved the feel of it. First time playing, 2 chips in on first 2 holes and almost another chip in on 3rd hole. I was sold on it and bought few dozen with the buy 3 dozen get 1 free deal =)

[@MarkusR83]

Great video guys! Love the content of your channel! Yes, please test the Vice Pro Plus as well. I am playin it for about 2 years and really love it!

[@patrickhersman4479]

ProV1x vs. Pro+ please! We are counting on y’all for the reliable test results.

[@muffin0079]

Yes please Pro V1x test. I managed to pick up some left dash pro v1x in the uk really liking them

[@BadTomzi]

Great test, in my tests I find the same, however, the lime ball is painted and the durability is horrendous compared to the yellow pro v1 which is made with a yellow cover.

[@kristofk1902]

I’ve done some of my own testing and long game wise they are so similar. I found that I would get a fraction more rollout with the Vice pro then the pro v1. Although short game wise, especially chipping, I found that the vice didn’t drop and stop like the prov1 did. That is my personal take on the two. They are both good golf balls. For the price difference someone who is really good should put price aside but for your average golfer if the price is right go for that Vice.

[@earlblevins1284]

Great stuff. There's plenty here, for either camp to defend their position.

[@RAZER1RR]

Great info for sure. Let us not forget that is also important how well each does in the wind and when wet. My guess is that balls like Titleist, Taylormade, and Bridgestone would still be better in the wind :)... Keep up the great work.

[@PGAPotato]

Pro plus is on the way! Love it

[@chadjohnson1248]

Amazing test! Really appreciate these videos and the work you put in to help us golfers make good purchases. Awesome!!

[@813xDYNASTY]

Nice video gentlemen, I play vice pro and really enjoy them. You can’t beat the price for that quality of a ball.

[@leftyrm7318]

Awesome stuff guys! Been playing the Vice Pro for the last year, good to know the 2020 model is on par with the old one.

[@williamheld7672]

This video comes at a great time for me. I have 4 different balls from different brands. That I play depending on price. I am looking to stop that and go with one brand for a reasonable price. Vice was high on my list. Great video.

[@JohanSchmidt]

For full shots, this Vice ball s looks very good. However, I find the ProV1 just chips so much better than all the other balls when hitting flops shots or low shots that need to bite quickly - most balls just seem to release another metre or two more than the ProV1. I remember Ian saying something to the effect of getting a ball for chipping and then match that ball to a driver.

[@rstephens5634]

This is the video I've been waiting for!! I play a Vice pro and have always wanted to see a comparison with a human instead of robot.

[@tniloc]

For sure please do Pro Plus. Would be good to see those numbers compared to Pro also and see if they fit the styles that Vice's ball recommender spits out.

[@mikeozowski5251]

Snell MTB-X

[@DavidGrieshaber]

Still prefer the OnCore Elixr..... Would love to see you do the Pro-V1 vs the new OnCore Vero as well. Will even pay to have them sent over :-)

[@ianbrown9614]

I've been playing vice pro for over a year and its the best ball I've ever played for the money.

[@paulmiller1473]

Great video and good to see a comparative ball test. Would love to see more of these.👍

[@jbspullins1725]

Snell MTB is a great direct to consumer ball. Not a fan of the vice. Might be in my head but could not like it. Seemed less durable but that was a year or more now. Likely improvement by now.

[@eliyochim92]

Please give the Pro Plus a test. Played the Vice Pro for a few years and switched to the Pro Plus this season. Both are great!

[@algernonwolfwhistle6351]

Very interesting comparison. I dare say that you wouldn't have a comparison to do if Titleist hadn't done the initial R & D to develop and continued development of the Pro V balls but that's not to say that the cost saving is definitely an issue and something that Titleist and the other 'big' brands should address.

[@SloppyJoes_ShredShack]

Is there a chance you could review the Vice Pro Zero? Noone has a video on the ball and I think you could do it some justice. Especially with the variety of golfers doing the testing on the channel. Really love the content guys! Just started golfing recently and I have picked up so many useful tips because of the channel. Thank you!

[@JAW114]

+1 for this request. Very interest in the Pro Zero

[@JoseOrtiz-ri9bk]

Yes, definitely interested in seeing the pro plus vs prov1x

[@glennwisse6271]

Yes. Love to See how the plus version performs