Vice that Breeds Virtue | The Gay Science #3 (I.21

Vice that Breeds Virtue | The Gay Science #3 (I.21 - I.29)

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@whoaitstiger 5 ай бұрын

Rousseau might have advocated we return to nature, but my favourite time of the week is when we return to Nietzsche!

@untimelyreflections 5 ай бұрын

Indeed!

@aronlazarhargitai8680 5 ай бұрын

Rousseau is the modern resurrection-in many, but not all respect- of Diogenes' Cynicism. Their message was the same: "Return to (a fictional) nature!" Actually, both wanted to justify their libertinage in their age that was the beginning of the domestication of humans by civilization. Daoism's critique of civilization is far better than their bull shit, and it shows many similarities with Nietzche's thought too.

@wes5614 5 ай бұрын

@@aronlazarhargitai8680 Rousseau didn't masturbate in public, make fun of Plato to his face and have a bigger ego than Alexander the great. Cynicism is more comparable to stoicism. The Cynic philosophers at least had humor on their side, stoicism is more apposed to enjoyment.

@Andrew-jj6er 5 ай бұрын

@@aronlazarhargitai8680 what is Daoism's critique of civilization? I am curious about this can you point me to some books where this is discussed?

@aronlazarhargitai8680 5 ай бұрын

This was the best episode, not only in the Joyous Science series, but in general. Keep up the good work!!!

@michaelsiegfried3878 5 ай бұрын

Great job man, these sections of the book have always been hardest for me to really integrate, this really helped. Thanks!

@johnhuntfiction2537 4 ай бұрын

I really enjoyed the Turchin episode. I thought it was a fascinating idea. I have that book on my TBR list... keep us the awesomeness btw.

@nicolaswhitehouse3894 5 ай бұрын

Thank you for explaining section 22. It was the hardest passage to understand for me.

@BnR1038 5 ай бұрын

my favorite of your gay science series so far. thank you

@OlivesT.wisted.Branch 21 күн бұрын

Being able to retain yourself throughout addictions is the training of a certain type of strength

@pwnedshift1 3 ай бұрын

the Tool song with the lyric "life feeds on life" is called Disgustipated

@fusion9619 5 ай бұрын

Would it be fair to say that Nietzsche is the most Christian writer in history, despite being anti-christianity, because he actually understands Platonism? Cuz i hear preachers criticizing Nietzsche but I think Nietzsche "gets it" better than they do.

@vikramchatterjee4495 6 күн бұрын

This question is oddly satisfying to me

@alexanderleuchte5132 5 ай бұрын

For cultural context: Industriusnes is a core virtue in the German mentality, "Arbeit" is an a priori value in itself. Accordingly the German mowes his lawn or otherwise works in his garden that is not designed to relax but as a source of "Gartenarbeit" or they wash their car or do something with the tools they bought in one of the hundreds of thousands "Baumärkte" on the weekends.... every moment of rest has to be justfied by recovering from working in order to work more. Of course that comes with the passive-aggtessive psychology of "self sacrifice as manipulation tactic and source of superiority feelings". The one core mantra of the 3rd Reich the majority could probably agree on was : "Wer nicht arbeitet soll auch nicht essen", "Those who don't work shouldn't eat either"

@fusion9619 5 ай бұрын

Oh come on, Europeans don't have tools! They wouldn't know what to do with them!

@nicolaswhitehouse3894 5 ай бұрын

Very interesting, how different does French and other Latin countries view industriousness and work in general. In here, in France, people sulk when they have to work. Work is a painful necessity, something dreadful by nature. The « love of work » is something of a bad taste in here. We give the virtue of industriousness respectability but we also find industrious people psychologically suspicious, like they are hiding something.

@maximilianthiel8485 5 ай бұрын

@@nicolaswhitehouse3894it’s just expected here and heavily sanctioned if not done correctly as nobody wants to work with people who turn up with bad attitude everyday …. Also we set a lot of focus on finding work which we are passionate about…. (If you have passion at work you don’t work a day in your life) …. If you are not working with a smile you are normally just let go and advised to find something which “fits you”

@nicolaswhitehouse3894 5 ай бұрын

@@maximilianthiel8485 That is indeed a vastly different mentality than in France or in other latin countries. We also smile at work, but we smile to not make our work anymore painful than it is already. At Paris, everybody is annoyed and doesn't want to work. In terms of passion, it varies from passions, but often times, there is this idea in France to not turn our true passion into working. Keep our true passion as an idleness and work about something you are not passionate about, that way you spare the best of yourselves.

@maximilianthiel8485 5 ай бұрын

@@nicolaswhitehouse3894 to me it seems to be absolutely stupid to not fill your day with something you like …. Also not sharing your best aspects with society seems to not be wise if you want to have a working society…. Also at work people very much talk about their personal lives and define themselves through hobbies and non work related hobbies. Sorry for writing so sloppy as I’m a bit tipsy after drinking with my coworkers.

@adhdasian1896 5 ай бұрын

YAY BOOK CLUB!!!

@zashi4805 5 ай бұрын

wondering if you will get into geneology of morals or is it a book each season? thx for all you do man

@pilotwolf 5 ай бұрын

Keegan how does it feel to be the 🐐?

@untimelyreflections 5 ай бұрын

lol thank you

@EatWithBadlands 4 ай бұрын

“That’s why he’s the GOAT! The GOAT!” If you know, you know…

@alupelimjamekwana2174 24 күн бұрын

1:26:50

@XxNoV4xAiRxBoRsxX 4 ай бұрын

thank you

@kennethanderson8827 4 ай бұрын

I have excellent news, Die Frohliche Wissenschaft should arrive at my cave by Tuesday August 06. That is 6 days before my 57th birthday. Yay. Happy birthday to me. Oh- - I ordered it in English, Kaufman edition. My German is limited to titles. Ha ha. 🇸🇪🇺🇸🇸🇻

@zerotwo7319 5 ай бұрын

"put a bloke in it and make it gay" - nietzsche, probably.

@Brooder85 5 ай бұрын

Nah. Probably some imbecile on KZbin hoping to sound clever for likes.

@Brooder85 5 ай бұрын

Nah, probably some clown on KZbin, hoping to sound clever for likes.

@zerotwo7319 5 ай бұрын

@@Brooder85 to soud funny* for likes.

@Brooder85 5 ай бұрын

@zerotwo7319 ...."sound*"

@shinten6714 5 ай бұрын

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@XanDionysus 4 ай бұрын

The moral realists have a point, Keegan. You don't get to espouse a moral error theory and expect it not to be used against you (talking about Nietzshce) or pretend you can bullshit your way out of it.

@untimelyreflections 4 ай бұрын

They have no point.

@XanDionysus 4 ай бұрын

@@untimelyreflections For all the disparaging remarks Nietzsche has against the "herd instinct" and for all it's blunders, do you think that we would have any kind of civilization at all without it? If anything, the instinct's greatest benefit is that it can alert us to anything that it (sometimes rightfully) sees as a threat to a it's existence (either in the form of peoples, ideas, ect). And the point is that people do hold their moral sentiments real strongly that they feel that their way of life would not be possible without them.

@untimelyreflections 4 ай бұрын

@@XanDionysus That is a pragmatic argument, not a moral realist one.

@XanDionysus 4 ай бұрын

@@untimelyreflectionsTo be honest, I do sympathize with moral realists sometimes even though I am an anti-realist myself. Call it Quasi-Realist (or pseudo-realist if you prefer).