Breaking the Law with Gay Conversion Therapy (Part 3/3)

[@atheosxgaming]

because nothing gay ever happened at a camp full of guys hanging out and doing some drama acting......

[@YouTube_is_full_of_trolls]

Being wrapped in bondage with other men

[@MrBailliebugs]

Seriously. I was waiting for the orgy.

[@supernnnnlive]

Haaaa 👌

[@Zleumas]

Thank god someone else was thinking that too.

[@shaggystonerable]

***** A transgendered person may be born a male - but they always feel they are female. The gender does no match the sex they were born with. They just don't decide one day that they want to be female. It's something that they have been dealing with their entire lives and when they are of age they finally have recourse to deal with it. You really need to do some research. Also, sexual orientation is not the same thing as gender identity so yours is a straw man argument.

[@Craigthellama]

Therapist at the end has a "good friend" who "never really penetrates" what he's doing, but they have drinks together and talk about opera. This guy's so deep in the closet he's finding socks.

[@ghostly_cicada3276]

DeliciousPoison he’s so far in the closet he found the secret door in the back

[@DavidMartinez-sm3qb]

He is so far in the closet he found himself a mr. Tumnus lol.

[@rm8617]

You nerds just made my day

[@darthbane5676]

If he keeps going, he’ll end up in Monsters Inc.

[@collinsje5]

He croaked in 2017 - GOOD.

[@antonexfranco]

“We are cured from being gay, now we have this great group where we just hang out with a bunch of guys, talk about our feelings, and put on musical numbers”

[@AaronWoodardExperienceOnX]

I don't think hanging out with men is a bad thing, or sharing feelings. Music is never a bad hobby. The problem here is that there's nothing wrong with a gay man, just usually trauma associated with gays.

[@leahflower9924]

I'm super thanks for asking

[@patrickc9062]

Sounds pretty gay (in the most supportive way possible)

[@jeremijasskrabas5955]

@@AaronWoodardExperienceOnX I think you missed the point

[@WillieManga]

There is a musical about paying mortgage on organs! XD Seriously though, it is called Repo the Genetic Opera.

[@ianbartram2118]

So... The gay conversion counselor gets mad when people tell him he isn't living the way he should... As he tells gay men they aren't living the way they should....... Did I miss something?

[@brlvper4]

Cognitive Dissonance

[@budthecyborg4575]

@@brlvper4 Works both ways.

[@miroslavcicka7762]

Yeah, they come there by theyre choice to hear it, he dont wanna hear it.

[@JPlovesmusic]

As someone who went through gay conversion therapy (not a camp and at 13).....I don't think I can't watch this fully. But I felt compelled to come here and let everyone know: this is real and yes....it fucks you up for life. With support and love, you can survive. But it will never leave you. I cried when my state (California) made it illegal for minors.

[@valyo5001]

JPlovesmusic you're really strong. I'm so happy that you're not in there anymore. Stay strong, people are here for you.

[@thetexasrapper7496]

It sounds like you don’t have any desire to be straight and consider any form of discipline to be “torture”. How much of your life is instant gratification? Id say 99%. You hit up grinder and then Taco Bell, and then your parents Venmo you money. Is rehab torture as well?

[@ndeamonk24]

I hope it gets beautiful. Sincerely

[@AaronWoodardExperienceOnX]

It's okay now

[@trevorvictor5085]

Sorry you went through this malignant torture

[@yaritoguerito]

That has got to be the gayest weekend any man could experience...

[@telephonebear21]

im totally against conversion therapy and completely open to homosexuality, but in terms of stereotypes making gay men straight through theatre seems counter productive

[@KeetyPooh]

Matthew Clark It is kinda like when a crack heads attempts to have a cracked out craze weekend blowout to quit crack, but the reality is, by Monday, he is back giving handies for a nickel rock.

[@tewaish]

***** I would sooner say that would be the most pathetic gathering of homosexuals ever,more like a temporal grave for the living.

[@CarnegieFelon]

***** What? You're telling me that an organization that calls itself "Journey into Manhood" is anything less than heterosexual? No way...

[@aeviwright7846]

TuringTested Don't forget that they "penetrate each others darkness" :p

[@oliviacase6417]

I don't understand why the bald man thinks he has to convert from homosexuality to be a father...?

[@hankys777]

Olivia Case Cause of societal norms as usual :/

[@georginahollifield5669]

heteronormativity

[@sophiamaharaj7765]

...because children come from heterosexual family's...

[@oliviacase6417]

Sophia Maharaj adoption is an option

[@sophiamaharaj7765]

Adopting a child that came from a heterosexual family yes

[@Sayeth0Di0Puppeth]

That moment when the Freudian psychologist says his gay friend never "penetrates" ;)

[@kastaway2]

+Sayeth Di Puppeth To quote Ricky Bobby, "The room started spinning cuz of all the gayness,,,"

[@sonquatsch8585]

which is code for, he always penetrates.

[@collinsje5]

He croaked in 2017 - good riddance.

[@ElcioDaSilvaborba]

These types of treatments are very dangerous. Many years ago I went into one of these place , and I've almost killed myself. It was horrible. Somehow, I was able to break free from their brainwash, I felt much better embracing my homosexuality. I felt so much alive after a leave them. Life is hard for anyone belonging a minority category. I have a daughter who, did not grow up with me and turned out to be gay too; she has a son who’s no homosexual, and yet, he grew up knowing his mother and grandfather are gay. There’s no right or wrong. I am what I am and that’s it.

[@DodgaOfficial]

I agree with you, once I accepted myself and just integrated it into my identity it was so freeing and all the guilt and shame I used to feel just washed away. Being gay is not something to be ashamed of, and there is no "gay lifestyle." Being gay doesn't mean you're promiscuous by nature like these people imply, I'm still gay even when I don't have a sexual partner, it doesn't go away just because I'm currently celibate. People in general need to just embrace who they are and not try to change themselves to fit societies standards and expectations.

[@roeorca]

"Let's make the kids straight by making them hug boys."

[@collinsje5]

LOL

[@brlvper4]

You would never catch a normal straight dude doing this shit. Fairies organized all this shit.

[@seablue3788]

That poor man in the beginning. I really hope and pray he heals and feels better one day. He looked like he needed a hug.

[@Perros333]

I love how this series ends on the statement: "...one of my best friends is homosexual...He knows exactly what I'm doing. But, he never penetrates exactly what I'm doing...

[@Perros333]

When you realize your comment was already posted 5 years ago and you have to reply to your own comment to see if you can get some interactions. This. Moment. Is. Now.

[@vamsinallam2622]

@@Perros333 oh lol here's your reply.

[@franzjoseph965]

please can you explain what does penetrating means in this sentence ? ( i mean the intentionally meaning, not the "ass penetrating" meaning lol xD)

[@shcerindeah-meuqch2451]

@@franzjoseph965 to understand something, or to be understood as a result of study or investigation Her writing penetrated to the heart of contemporary life. to study or investigate something in order to understand it It's hard to penetrate her mind. He penetrates deeper into the artist's life in the second volume of his autobiography.

[@Lazirus951]

Apparently the dude died in 2017, but I'd be fascinated to know if he was involved with his homosexual "best friend" on the side. It wouldn't surprise me at all.

[@fungirl120]

If I run fast enough my gay thoughts won't catch me.

[@KaleidoscopeEffect]

What's horrible is that guy at the camp who said that he didn't find the support he needed in the gay community otherwise he would have accepted him being gay and embraced that lifestyle. SO WHY didn't he create the community he needed in the gay community, why didn't he create a support for gay guys that wanted to find love in their lives and have a family? He could even make a gay weekends drama club. I mean those man are obviously so sad and don't know what to do with their lives, they hope they can change but they can't. They just want to find love but they didn't seek for love in the right gay places... They should join a book club or a drama club, not a dumb don't accept yourself and be miserable for the rest of your life club...

[@amandaananda9029]

I was wondering about this as well! So many of the men in this video seem to think that the LGBT community is purely a sexual culture. They speak of it as a hook-up culture, as if hook-up culture doesn't exist in the heterosexual world as well! It also saddens me that they don't seem to acknowledge the LGBT people who *do* have happy families. It sucks if they couldn't find a sense of community with other gay men, but did they look anywhere outside of gay bars?

[@bryceageno6977]

@@amandaananda9029 in many states there isn't a gay community its just a bunch of closeted men on hookup apps.

[@sherryburrows2252]

Actually, it looks like a pretty gay weekend they're having!

[@tom-ss2mn]

@Corey Ross christ never spoke about being gay. So he had no negative opinion of it. I wish christians were more christ like

[@lordsxman]

Well done. Very well done. This is real journalism as it shows both sides of an issue speaking freely, truly and persuasively from their own experiences without judgement. Although the editing is biased, all 3 parts of this series lets the viewer decide for themselves how they feel about "reparative" therapy.

[@bradent5008]

Ursine ComicGeek I agree

[@charonsferryold]

It looks biased because the fact that reparative therapy is obviously wrong.

[@laszlobabits94]

Ursine ComicGeek, how can editing be biased?

[@b11nladen]

Ignorance is not an opinion. Who said that. It's not my fault you come from an ignorant, neglectful family, but you can't blame them for your own ignorance for the rest of your life.

[@b11nladen]

Touched a nerve. I guess this is the start of the start of progress.

[@lennonbrooks1083]

Gay conversion camp complete with drama, feelings, and looking deeply into another mans eyes

[@collinsje5]

It sounds more like a Bette Davis movie.

[@m0here239]

10:36 "he never actually penetrates exactly what I'm doing" ... "we talk about opera!" lol 💀😂 vice being shaaaaaady as all get out!

[@paulnash9851]

Exactly, its beautifully mind boggling to watch that guy openly bragging about being gay and a charlatan/conman...

[@jaboy0978]

🐸🐸🐸☕️☕️☕️

[@sonquatsch8585]

great point. i don't even necessarily think he believes in what he is doing. at the end of the day, i truly believe all he is concerned about is how much he's got in his bank account and is willing to sacrifice those who are struggling with their identities.

[@bk-ql2is]

I think that Journey Into Manhood place could exist without having anything to do with conversion therapy and I think it would be a really valuable resource! There are a lot of men of all sexual orientations who have experienced abuse, emotional and physical isolation, trauma, and a general sense of "otherness" from the unhealthy masculinity complexes society shoves down our throats who could really benefit from a safe communal environment with men experiencing similar struggles. They have a choice to pursue whatever lives they want, I just think it would be nice for there to be a resource like that for men who are looking for an emotionally open and supportive environment- just without the whole 'the only way to fix you is to fix the gay part' thing.

[@eroot3380]

Right?! I was thinking the exact same thing watching this.

[@Iamhere829]

💯

[@PSYCHROCKS5]

This is just... Terrifying I can't imagine the pain and trauma they have to go through. Completely inhuman to put a child through conversion therapy.

[@collinsje5]

Its almost like the Salem Witch Trials.

[@cassiestreet2327]

hi, I'm a lesbian. I'm 16. Suicidal due to this. not this video but this. this homophobia. this hate. this is discusting. I was told to go to conversion therapy by my mum and dad. the day before being shipped off to hell. I ran away with my girlfriend. by running away I was happy. I'm 17 now. I'm happy. happy now.

[@chiragshekhar7404]

Good for you. I hope you realize that you, and only you have that power over your life. Never let others dictate the terms of your life. And, stay happy. :)

[@mediumsizedcat7850]

stay brave, lesbian sister!

[@cassiestreet2327]

shark_dad we stick together 💙

[@valyo5001]

Are y'all still together? I'm proud of you! Stay strong girl!

[@luceyshiwanov1524]

I'm Soo glad you did that, I may not know you or ever will...but I definitely know that your life and what makes you happy is so much more important than anything, and I mean anything else! I truly hope everything goes well for you. Hopefully one day your parents will understand too, If they don't already. Continue to live a happy life.

[@iamjasonlol]

honestly this therapy should be illegal.

[@katobytes]

On children. Grown men can pay for whatever homophobic excursion they want.

[@totalytaco3715]

Sorry, but could you please elaborate on how "Being gay means your addicted to lust". I don't understand your point.

[@totalytaco3715]

I understand your perspective, but I think it is factually uncertain. Firstly, homosexual sex is found in many animals other than humans (Here's a long list: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior ). Secondly, gay people don't switch to the same sex because they have sex with / masturbate to the opposite sex too much. Not a single gay person has claimed this to be true. Most gay people recognise that they're gay long before they have sex and have never had an attraction to the opposite sex. This argument is entirely basisless.

[@notsoimportant3446]

Anyone can have lust.. it is completely normal

[@swimmyfish901]

William Levy actually homosexual sex is found pretty much all over the place throughout the animal kingdom

[@jude8362]

to change from gay to straight they decide... to get some guys together, hold hands, hug and share their feelings 😯😂😆

[@m.a.l3995]

Jude well these things make no one gay...

[@Samanthapants0077]

And do theatre!!!

[@collinsje5]

Its like Oprah with gay men.

[@necko2529]

32 GAY man, to be exact!

[@michellewong9595]

Well this has been a wild, emotional ride. Cheers, part III-ers.

[@michellewong9595]

And how the guy laughs at the end, like he knows, but won't admit the irony of what he's saying.

[@iiTRiXeR]

Sad seeing a bunch of homosexuals who don't want to accept their sexuality and make themselves unhappy :/

[@CarlosHernandez-ko4eo]

+Scrumptious Centaur ...so internalized homophobia

[@SuperYertleTurtle]

If people are drawn to the same sex and don't accept that that's mainly the fault of society and the people they surround them with. If people tell you beeing gay is not okay you will start to believe that. Same with beeing "ugly", "fat", "thin" and so on. People can be so cruel.

[@ClemetinexX]

I know what there going through it's internalized homophobia u can't accept yourself which is something u always have to do first so instead of trying to to accept themselves they want to change it which cannot happen bc ur born gay it's proven

[@DrKevsGal]

I just finished watching this 3-part doc and all I can say is, WOW!! My heart is absolutely breaking for these men and women, boys and girls! As an older, (in my 70's, y'all!) heterosexual woman who lives in the south, let me just say that you have an ally!! God created us all in his image and God is perfection. Ergo, if He is perfection then all of His creations are as He wants!! Be you and be proud!!

[@collinsje5]

I'm a 70-year-old gay Chicagoan, and I say thanks for having empathy and intelligence.

[@jumobeats9002]

DrKevsGal so killers and tyrants who dominate and oppress people are his creation as he wants too? Not saying that being gay is as bad as being a tyrant or killer but I’m just wondering if you use that same broad analogy for all people

[@ROEnotEOR]

​@@jumobeats9002the difference is that "killers and tyrants" can choose not to be that, therefore it's not an innate aspect of who they are, in opposition to our sexual orientation, which is part of our identities, therefore, part of the beautiful people we are. Sending gay love your way 🏳️‍🌈❤️🙏🏼

[@carlaeher]

I felt it when John Smid said separating the fact that you're gay and that you had childhood trauma. That's exactly what I had to do to heal.

[@kyronconradjunus7119]

I hope Jeddy knows that he can still be a father despite of his sexual orientation....

[@jed1007]

Thank you for your message

[@rachelcookie321]

@@jed1007 is it you in the documentary? How are you doing now?

[@jed1007]

@@rachelcookie321 yes it is me in the documentary. My life is much different now. On a different course in life.

[@rachelcookie321]

@@jed1007 I hope you are doing well. Can I ask how you feel about your identity now? If it is personal you don’t need to answer. Have you managed to have children like you wanted? I was hoping you were able to have children and be happy.

[@sabr3cat188]

Bi and proud !!! Show your pride !! 🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍🌈

[@leshy1784]

same fammmmm

[@sabr3cat188]

🏳️‍🌈

[@leshy1784]

also used to be fuurry so i understgand the brony h8

[@davidperry4013]

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[@udo-q]

FILET-O-FISH

[@NachoJoshas]

This is quite interesting, here's the key: They're looking for a comunity, brotherhood, love. Things that you don't have in the city, alone, working as slave, going out on weekends hooking up to not feel that lonely. Those guys are not seeking being straight, they're suffering from capitalism.

[@reaganmullins2347]

Nacho Joshas lmfao

[@robertmichaeladams1334]

i can personally attest to what you just said, theres a grey area in this "lgbt community". trust me im in it

[@genacunningham1731]

Yes..america is really not conducive to real Christian values, love and fellowship when you're spending all your hours working your ass off.

[@Calvan42]

THIS 👆👆👆👆

[@mongoosecavern]

I constantly doubt myself because of the sexual abuse I endured in my childhood, then when those curiousities came up, I was immediately told it could be a phase and that it could be because of the abuse I endured. I never feel certain, I feel so confused, but I know it's okay to be LGBT+ and that no matter what, so long as I accept myself, I'll be okay.

[@renatoulbov]

yup, all those counselors are still gay, my gaydar is firing like crazy, ESPECIALLY that guy in red, I mean CMON, hes gayer than me ffs 😂😂

[@zuhayr4856]

"I FEEL ANGRY" 5 seconds in later "I think im in a better place now :)"

[@jed1007]

You’re right

[@anticorncob6]

If my parents forced me to go to conversion therapy, I'd use it as a perfect opportunity to hook up with guys.

[@benjackson3257]

Saaaaammmeee😂😂😂

[@harinim6589]

anticorncob6 LMFAOOO

[@blacknwhitestripe]

he says he feels he's in a better place but he yell "I am angry" just as loud each time

[@rhianimal19]

"How to pretend UR str8"

[@SunnyDCurlesrainbow545]

Spiffy Turtle The very connection to this video!! Genious!! XD

[@michaelchevalier9777]

Worst Prince b-side ever

[@trefliprevert]

very good editing in this one! i love how the 'annoying phone ringing' is inserted into the scene beforehand creating a smooth transition, and is picked up again later on. good job vice!

[@dziobak101]

I actually attended this “Journey Into Manhood” weekend years ago. These videos portray it accurately, but omit many of the more disturbing practices led by unskilled, unlicensed, non-professionals. One of the men I attended with ended up committing suicide. One of the founders - Dave Matheson - has now come out as gay and disavowed his harmful practices. Thankfully, I survived and - shocker - I’m still gay and have happily been with my partner for 5 years now. If you are reading this and considering conversion therapy, please know the people running these camps are deeply misguided and ashamed of who they are. You are beautiful just as you are, and your sexuality does NOT need any repairing!

[@dziobak101]

Also, Rich Wyler - the other founder of “People Can Change”, which apparently now calls itself “Brothers Road” after all the scandals, and who is featured in these videos - lived as a gay man for a long time then decided to be a good Mormon boy and marry a woman. He claims to be happily married, and he also happily makes money off of vulnerable, religiously abused, gay men convincing them they can “heal” their sexuality. I’ve seen him get naked and frolic in the woods with other naked men in “non-sexual and healing ways.” Stay away, people!

[@roccoz2231]

I knew there were a lot of bizarre and disturbing rituals that took place at "People Can Change" / "Brothers Road", but this is the first I've heard about naked frolicking. Can you tell us more about it?

[@dziobak101]

Rocco Z oh yeah, as part of their later “advanced” weekend, they all get naked together to “demystify” the male body and “confront their body issues” and whatever other nonsense. They pretend like it’s a non-sexual way for boys to just be boys together. It’s great for reducing a person’s shame around their naked body, but obviously has nothing to do with their sexual orientation, and is just another way for repressed gay men to try not to be gay while actually being gay.

[@stevenygabbyperez695]

A constant pursuit of something that will never happen... Sounds like most religious experiences.

[@KarlSnarks]

Lol

[@jjonestowne]

"never penetrates exactly what i'm doing" AAHAHAAA!!! dude. he's a LOON; and, i LOVE the editors and producers of almost ALL VICE programs...this one, especially. fucking-A-nice.

[@shannon6517]

If God is so disgusted with the way you were born, why did he make you that way?

[@hankys777]

shan non That's why some certain religious individuals rigorously assert that its a lifstyle and that god didnt make them that way thus removing the guilt when they ridcule and exclude LGBT because of their own prejudices and misinformation. Which we can all agree is total and utter bullshit

[@johnnyholliday8784]

That dudes Albert Einstein vest was on point.

[@quentinnottage1776]

That opera line at the end. This man is so gay I love it, pray for him

[@judgejudyslover]

"He never really penetrates" mmmmk

[@brendonrookes1151]

prity sure if he new what his doing they wouldn't be friends any more

[@sonquatsch8585]

he just sticks the head in a little bit.

[@dominiclaufenberg8677]

Most of these guys have PTSD from being raped, so I guess it's fair they're angry at the way they are

[@dominiclaufenberg8677]

But this stuff is horrible, I hate this. It's okay to be gay, anyone who says otherwise is a bigot. I'm sorry but you arec

[@dominiclaufenberg8677]

*are

[@telephonebear21]

but if a boy is raped by a man he wont become straight, no more than a woman raped become a lesbian

[@MRayner59]

Bullshit much?

[@dominiclaufenberg8677]

Matthew Clark yes, basically

[@andyrobbinnit5995]

*conversion therapy leader wears beanbag on chest*

[@springlockfailure]

*conversion therapy leader wears sack full of seed on chest*

[@milesleeplz]

If you are gay and don’t want to be gay because you feel that being gay has made your life worse, try real therapy before conversion therapy, real therapy will allow you to find true happiness without denying yourself true love.

[@m.f.5739]

What do you mean by "real" therapy? Chemically castrating yourself? As far as I'm concerned there aren't any other options to conversion therapy.

[@ybunnygurl]

I went to high school with a guy who thought he could pray his gay away because his Mother and the father at his church told him he could. I went out of my way to tell him it they were wrong, and its ok to love who you love, and it starts with loving you for you. I saw him a few years after graduating high school with his boyfriend at a art show one night. He told me he thought about ending his life when he was forced into conversion therapy the summer between 11th and 12th grad, but everytime he was about to swallow that handfull of pills or cut himself with that knife, He heard my voice saying; "You are my child; I created you and I love you just they way you are," The guy told me thats when he knew he was gay and no one was ever going to change it.

[@emmademma4846]

In case anybody's watching this atm, Joseph Nicolosi (the guy performing conversion "therapy" on minors) died in 2017. But the organization he was apart of is still hurting children.

[@GrowingRobinArt]

It kinda sounds like people in the camp you visited are trying not to live the 'gay lifestyle' rather than change for being straight... The licensed (as he seems to need to highlight - can you buy these titles in the US?) psycho therapist in the end said that as well... I mean the whole wife and child talk is nonsense, but except for that: You don't have to go to the gay scene and put yourself into the gossip pit. You don't have to go to sex parties. You don't have to go to pride or do activism either. You might as well just join a theatre group that perform 'Jack and the magic beans' to make friends there and maybe fall in love with one of the other guys there... Being gay doesn't necessarily mean your life has to consist of party, drugs and sex. You might as well meet up with a friend and have a glass of wine while talking about opera. Or you might just live the life with wife and children. Just with husband instead of wife. You know, in order to, you know - be actually happy... And yeah, I am aware of the horrible practices of torture out there. That's obviously nonsense and would never work. Anyway: Homosexuality ≠ 'Gay lifestyle'.

[@mosipd]

God is disgusted with them and they need to change. However instead of trying to change something you can't, change something you can; your religious beliefs.

[@lisagerman2111]

+mosipd BINGO

[@MarinaAndTheDevil]

YAS

[@jordandodsley07]

+mosipd YES

[@TheVeryAngryShrimp]

Thank you

[@jamesjohnson-brown2311]

What? If you're a Christian and you love God, God should love you back because he is our Lord. You shouldn't change your religious beliefs just because you can't change your sexuality. You are #BornPerfect

[@sama_mxmn]

Hahaha the phone ringing at 8:10

[@assholus228]

SAMA Official dude i noticed that too, was hoping they'd show the senator get pissed off again at the phone

[@t.fairuz29]

"Try not to be gay or think gay thoughts. But please ignore the allegorical nut stacks hanging from our necks." #Murica

[@vogelvogeltje]

7:58 😂😂😂 the phone ringing again after he said “unplug that thing” in the beginning.

[@aspiresk8boarding]

Most our pain comes from thinking things aren't the way they shud be. Creation doesn't make mistakes we all are created equal and deserve freedom to life

[@insect212]

Tell that to kids born without arms.

[@DHU11]

Brock Jones OH MY GOD LOOL

[@DamonCassada345]

That is a misunderstanding of philosophy. The circumstances of our existences are not equal. However, our ability to act on them are, which is what matters. Two brothers born into the same slavery may have different values in life.

[@ThatGuyAaronOfficial]

Jonas Zdanius ur gay, not fem, skateboard and into indie rock. Were have u been all my life xD Skateboarding is my life

[@gb5164]

I really just *love* when STRAIGHT people try to tell ME that I chose to be gay. First of all it doesn’t even make sense to “choose” to be gay and second of all how are you gonna tell me I chose this way?

[@Lazirus951]

Yea, as a straight person I've never felt like it was a choice to be straight. Same way that I don't choose my favorite flavor of ice cream. It just is.

[@isaiahneumann7988]

Notice how none of the counsellors said that they weren't attracted to the same sex anymore

[@jellyxhouse]

Watching this I realize how lucky I am. I'm 14 and bisexual, and I came out to my best friend via text. My parents read my text messages and set me down and told me that they loved me, and respected my choices if this is my decision. Now, that I'm 14 and allowed to date, I can chose either gender, and they will not be upset with me, and I'm currently dating a girl, and they treat it just like every other relationship. Just as nosy and overprotective as any other parents and I love it.

[@cristlewrite7944]

Reading this gave me such warm fuzzy feelings. Your 19 now, life update? :)

[@autumnleaf3667]

That ending was perfect ahaha I know what you guys were doing with using that as an ending ;)

[@narwhool]

I don't care if my kid is gay. I wouldn't want him to wind up like these dudes, thinking he is broken and needs to be fixed, funny how that's the same reason I try to shield him from Christianity. These guys have been told so much that they are damaged and not worthy of love that they need to be taught to love themselves.

[@skyev8455]

I would die if my kid was gay it's horrible

[@narwhool]

+Emily Vazquez you're horrible. Children deserve their parents unconditional love and support.

[@skyev8455]

+♥ CHRISTINE ♥ thank you I appreciate the feed back doesn't change a thing

[@narwhool]

+Emily Vazquez Right. most bigots minds are already closed so tight that I didn't expect it to.

[@nataliapatolamoosmann8290]

+Emily Vazquez man it is really sad that you think you have the right to control your child's sexuality

[@valleygirltotallyforsure]

Thank you for sharing this story. Once again VICE brings it.

[@sethmartin371]

I wonder how they explained to their wives that they counsel gay conversion summer camp like a Brandon Rogers Theater Class episode...

[@NPHfann]

There really isn't any conflict in this video as much as vice tries to structure it that way. The LGTBQ community is fighting for a ban on gay conversion therapy on "children" which is decided on by their parents. This is reasonable and makes sense. The other side of the video is grown men who are not satisfied with who they are and are making a conscious decision to try and change that. Nobody, regardless of their experiences can tell those men that this is wrong. Those points being said, I fail to see any conflict in this video and am puzzled as to why Vice would structure the video in such a way as to try and create conflict. Hopefully others notice this too and see the truth of the situation.

[@EnnoMaffen]

I didn't feel like VICE tried to make it seem as if there was a conflict. I actually felt the exact opposite: While I am disgusted by the whole "gay conversion therapy"-bullshit, this VICE report really made me empathize with those grown men who freely chose to join such a therapy group. I didn't see that perspective before the video.

[@kyleginnetti2099]

I was thinking the same thing.

[@NPHfann]

Enno G. So you empathize for the men because they are putting their faith in a supposedly false practise?

[@MrOrientalDuce]

I agree. I admit I had some preconceived notions about gay conversion therapy being detrimental to the youth, under pressure from society and religion. But this video shows both sides in a good light by showing that this "conversion therapy" struggle is more about personal choice and living to each individuals' identity and ideal views of themselves. If anything, I came out of watching this with more disdain for the anti-conversion side because their closing comments seemed very narrow minded in that they thought that conversion therapy was a "total crockery." I would've liked Vice to show homemade video testimonies of how therapy positively influenced now-straight people, not just of their negative influences. In all, I think outer influence effects our opinions of ourselves too heavily, and that we should educate people on self-awareness and encourage them to find their own self-expression in their sexuality.

[@clixx13]

NPHfann I dont get how you're seeing conflict. There's no editorializing, just statements from both sides.

[@neiljones3016]

Jesus: love thy neighbor God: kill everything because I'm God. Jesus: ok boomer Happy birthday my dude.

[@jackpotsb3]

Thank you for making these videos, this is a problem that I was mostly ignorant about and I'm glad I know more about it now

[@CoOzEbOy1]

Did that one guy really need to wear a nutsack necklace?

[@ericcam5556]

I feel so bad for Jeddy

[@collinsje5]

Actually, the bear community would love that guy.

[@jed1007]

Thank you for your kindness

[@AeronLLC5108]

I've been to 4 camps and countless session. I'm a trans man and a bisexual. I just turned 17

[@ClubstepMonsterOfficial]

Please contact the child protective services or the FBI immediately if you are still being forced to go to these camps. Hope you are safe.

[@ivyj.9489]

that therapist talkin bout opera is so deep in the closet he’s prolly in narnia by now

[@Nophera]

8:40 I wish my last name was "shizzle"

[@telephonebear21]

haha that is an awesome name

[@mazsax999]

Christmas time comes 'round.... "Hey, this gift's unmarked...Who's it for...?" "Oh, its for Shizzle, my nizzle...." Hahahahahahahaha

[@mazsax999]

***** ?

[@dominiclaufenberg8677]

I FEEL ANGRYYYYYYYY I HAS ANGER!!!!

[@rockforblu]

What they did in the camp was effectively to induce a strong repression. You can tell the counsellors all shared a kind of latent self-hate in their voice, like they were constantly exerting effort to bar something off from resurfacing. Funny how that 'psychologist' babbled about social construct, but didn't recognize his belief to be one as well. Disturbing stuff.

[@catherica]

"We have drinks together and we talk about opera..." *flicks hand* mmmmhmmm

[@zacgreen4420]

I am Gay and I have never had anything Traumatic happen to me in my lifetime at all. I have never been Raped, My Parents are the best of all Parents (I Believe), and they excepted me for being me, which was awesome.

[@AnthonyBatistanator]

We all had gay thoughts before, or am i just gay?

[@damienscullytoo]

no, without a doubt we all do. Majority of people don't think much of it, but some people go on an all out offensive if that ever happens to them.To re-assure them selves that they arent gay, they pretend to hate everything gay, as if it makes them look straighter.

[@b.b.4411]

your just gay

[@emadshk]

ehh sorry to break it to you : YOU'RE GAY

[@Keinlicht]

***** This. I think most people are somewhere in the middle of the extremes, though there are those that exist with only hetero or homo attraction, I beleive they're less common. But the way our social structure works, its much easier to define our selves in terms of one or the other, so most people do.

[@ITSbigwillystyle]

I don't think it's gay to have homoerotic thoughts, but if they're a regular thing you might at the very least be bi.

[@alyssa6375]

Poor sweet Jeddy. You can be a father with or without a wife or even a partner. With your heart, you could be a foster father and/or adopt. AND still be able to live your life.

[@jed1007]

Thank you for your kindness

[@lucasdwright]

Yeah, I wouldn't blame God for any of this.. He's pretty clear He loves everybody, no matter what. Period. Anybody saying otherwise is leading you astray. Oh, and for you people who will inevitably come at me with some Old Testament stuff- there is way too many points of contention to go over. Bottom line, God's actions have always been justified. Sorry, I won't be responding. If you want the answer to whatever point you'll try to make, see my original statement.

[@bensamuel8372]

I would actually like you to reply to my comment because I'd like your opinion on my only problem with it. How do you feel about people who are gay being a part of the Christian community due to how the majority of the folks going to church judging/ostracizing/talking down about them? Sadly, these folks who speak about their all loving Savior don't practice what they preach, and I fear that anyone who's openly gay in a Church community will be treated badly by others even if it's not upfront. :o

[@lucasdwright]

Two sides to that, both are rooted in the Bible. The first is the obvious, "he without sin should cast the first stone"- the implication being there is no justification for judgment from someone without blame. The second side comes from after the time of Christ, particularly with Paul in one of his letters to the new churches. Paul is very clear the Church as a community needs to be proactive in it's treatment of evil practitioners; the Church should work to fix it. The methods he lays out are very simple, approach and rebuke, approach and rebuke as a church, and finally to cast out those who refuse to reform. So we have two methods, one is love by action of love, and the other is love by action. Christ is very clear in his life's message of salvation, his sacrifice being the ultimate expression of love. Paul, in his own life, tried to act as an interpreter. Where Christ laid out few to no rules, Paul attempted to create a system based off of inspiration from the Holy Spirit. My inclination to trust the method of Christ over Paul certainly wins out on this particular issue. But you know, at the end of the day, it doesn't matter if the whole world thinks what you are is evil, if God doesn't see it that way, you're going to be just fine. On the other hand, even if the entire universe thinks being gay is okay, but God doesn't, then it doesn't matter. Either way, who decides what is right and wrong is whoever can enforce their opinion. So it doesn't matter if you can't convince some people that what you do, in this case being gay, is not immoral, because that's a dialogue you and God need to have, and not just need to have, but *will* have.

[@katobytes]

Maybe if people dropped this notion of a God altogether and took control of their own lives, we wouldn't have such issues with misinterpretation and the homophobia that follows.

[@bradbaldwin4738]

God does not exist

[@lemonbirdo1353]

Brad Baldwin I disagree. Sad to hear that you don't believe. Could it be due to bad experiences?

[@johndwyer5087]

what’s the least gay thing we can do at this gay conversion camp?... hmm i know, THEATERRR! excellent idea, i’ll grab the giant man wrapping blanket.

[@francescab.8370]

And this guy has a PhD like what the hell...

[@hognosemyan]

"I feel my anger pulsing inside me, and now my anger's running down my leg"

[@peterbigfella]

how many kids getting sent to "not conversion" therapy know about the law saying they don't have to be sent here.

[@jackomacko8839]

Vice has the best documentaries out there.

[@Mike-DD214]

could a swore he was going to turn and say "i said unplug the damn thing" 8:11

[@Kaenif]

Oh my that last bit. What are you trying to hint at, VICE? LOL

[@AyeadFfgbv]

“He never really penetrates...” oh so you your the penetrator, huh?

[@MissBlueEyeliner]

Trying not to be gay. Gets wrapped up close to a group of other gay men. Smart 👌🏽

[@tyy.3064]

My heart breaks for Blake for so many reasons 😔

[@nah_zugo]

This is more personal experience with bullies then rather being actually sad being gay. Its horrible what people can do to someone to make them feel different about themselves.

[@bleachno9]

Was that guy's last name shizzle? That's the shizzle.

[@lindshasnochill3728]

That Einstein vest in the childhood photo is the best thing I`ve ever seen!

[@nene5827]

You would think lacing man together in bondage is actually pretty gay😳

[@synckid]

"never penetrates what im doing" PHRASING! -Archer

[@yaritoguerito]

I cannot imagine all the gay sex that must go on when they lights go out at their little retreat..... c'mon none of those guys are fooling anyone about having overcome their same-sex attraction!

[@jackjackshift]

thanks, Vice... this was something I was previously unaware of. Complex topic. Thank you

[@allroundgreatbloke]

Jeddy man! You could give some children two good dads! The group reparative side of the camps could be helpful for the past trauma victims have experienced, but a proper therapist could aid these people in realising their sexuality is not a reflection of their abuse, but something completely separate and natural.

[@jed1007]

Thank you for your kind words

[@allroundgreatbloke]

@@jed1007 All good brother! Hope you're well!

[@boozoochamp]

Anyone notice the TV Show Dexter kind of theme song playing when they switch to the therapist every time lmfao

[@elijahgreen1270]

How the hell is theatrical drama gonna change someone's sexual orientation lmao let them do what they want goddamn

[@PuLsarSevenMC]

they just started roasting him when he said that we don't try to change people XD

[@urabumboi123]

Notice how most of the counsellors were a tad overweight? Seems to me that they're suppressing their feelings with food... Lots and lots of food

[@jjonestowne]

that fucking phone is HILARIOUS! has awesome comedic timing for, what i assume, is an inanimate object. nice.

[@oIISH0WT1M3IIo]

Being gay isn't something that you choose to be, you are born that way. When people say its a choice, they are planting that idea in your mind, and make you believe it. These people here choose themselves that they want to change, and thats up to them, I highly disagree with people forcing others to come here out of their will.