'Potential Environmental Nuclear Bomb': The Disappearing Salt Lake

The water in the Great Salt Lake is dropping precipitously because of high water usage and several years of drought. Experts say the lake has five years left unless more water is conserved. The loss of the lake would send ripple effects throughout the region.
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[@gobblox38]

The fact that they estimate that total water usage must be cut by 50% or else the lake will dry up in five years tells me that the lake will be dry in five years.

[@jermainerace4156]

Yeah, it's basically a foregone conclusion. If the state hasn't even begun to restrict agriculture this late in the game, it wouldn't matter if they started in earnest right now: the lawsuits and the lobbyists would mire efforts until well past 2030

[@Joe-bh4vz]

Tells me they’re lying.

[@gobblox38]

@@Joe-bh4vz who is lying?

[@Joe-bh4vz]

@@gobblox38, they

[@gobblox38]

@@Joe-bh4vz we are "they."

[@keyper555]

My Mother always told me when I was just a child back in the 60's that one day in the near future water would be worth its weight in gold, I grew up in the Pacific Northwest surrounded by lakes rivers and ocean, I thought she was crazy, but now I see what she was talking about, she said our great aquafers deep in the ground that we use for water to supply our cities and farmlands would eventually dry up with no way to refill them due to the natural changes in climate and our usage, and then the lakes would be next, boy she was so right, look whats happening today. Not only that she also said that our water supplies would be totally poisoned from all the chemicals we so easily flush down our drains and into our ground and water tables beneath our feet. Once this starts it will be the end of civilization as we know it. Just look at the price of filtered water these days, its insane, we pay more for a gallon of filtered water than we do for a gallon of gas, if we don't do something soon to stop this careless usage of our water supplies, we are screwed, our future generations are screwed.

[@Teedollaaaa]

Deep

[@mattnoonan6519]

I’ve always believed the next world conflicts won’t be over oil and gas, but water and fish.

[@donnewton7858]

We are already screwed, it's just that no one (especially the people who denied it was happening and now want people to forget they did) wants to admit it. We've fundamentally accelerated a process that we literally cannot stop, and there's a snowball effect, except the snowball is melting as it gets larger.

[@derpcade]

I'm a native Utahn, lived on the wasatch front my whole life. When I was little, I remember being able to see the lake from my house, and I remember how blinding it used to be during sunsets. Now I can't even see the lake from the former shoreline. Humanity always finds a way to ruin the most majestic things..

[@deutscherfischer55]

You do realize that The Great Salt Lake used to be 20,000sq mi at the end of the last Ice Age and has been drying up ever since right?

[@didybopintitys]

@@deutscherfischer55 there’s a lot of that within the greater debate on our impact on things, but we most certainly had a hand in speeding it up that’s for sure lol

[@YT-mp7ei]

@@deutscherfischer55 sure keep avoid taking responsibilities. I’ll just sit back and watch these GOP denialists and ultra Christians liars suffer.

[@TheSkidds]

@@didybopintitys The statistical facts that have been proven, show that humans have little too no effect.... So... Not sure what you are on about.... lol....

[@OceanLife772]

@@didybopintitys Please tell which civilized Population Melted our last Ice Age? Which oil companies? It’s called NATURE! Yes, we should not Pollute our Planet! We should have clean air unlike China and India. This global “warming” scam is what it is! A scam for a few elites to make themselves Wealthy like John Kerry, Al Gore. IF they believe the oceans will rise, Why are they dropping $20-$30 million dollars on Ocean Front Mansions? Why Are THEY Consuming and polluting The Most?! Ask yourself these questions. If you really believed the ocean would rise, would you build your dream home on the very same oceanfront? Put your hard work and sweat into that property OR would you build your home as far away from the ocean? C’on man! THINK For yourself. The climate Does Change! It has to do with the moon 🌙 and God knows what else. We see what a full moon does to the tides. Gravitational Pull: Nature IS Amazing. Stay Safe out there with all the UFOs/ UAP Flying around! 😊

[@BoycottNCSoft]

Over 40 years ago as a kid I could swim in the Great Salt Lake. As a teen, living up north of it I'd sit on the hillside and watch the sunset every day after school. Now, I see this and cry.

[@jacksonwayne9445]

It’s important to add that the majority of agriculture water in Utah is simply used for inefficient alfalfa and other livestock feed, not crops that we see in the grocery store

[@Spiral.Dynamics]

Oh yeah! They grow the food that my food eats.

[@nicbtw6062]

@@Spiral.Dynamics spoken like a true big alfalfaian.

[@samuelmashpow9854]

Wouldn’t that alfalfa feed livestock that we would end up eating later on down the line?

[@spicychad55]

@@Spiral.Dynamics Your food is extremely water intensive. You can get protein for cheaper LOL

[@lorenzoblum868]

Farmers being scapegoats once again and not a word about the 1054 nuclear tests conducted from 1945 to 1992...

[@silver6380]

Also important: There is a vicious cycle here. The Great Salt Lake has a significant effect on the climate of the region. The moisture present there makes the whole area wetter and cooler than it otherwise would be. As the lake shrinks, the climate becomes drier and warmer, making it shrink even faster.

[@stoda01]

The Soviets found out the hard way when they decided to grow cotton in the desert. Look up the Aral sea disaster. What remains of the sea today is a toxic hell-hole and everything around it is toxic. Utah is pretty much repeating the same mistake that the Soviets did. Unless drastic changes are made, agriculture around Salt Lake City will collapse and SLC will suffer as well.

[@xochj]

Probably most important.

[@allwheeldrive]

And this is one of the most significant reasons - besides the overall change in climate that will never stop - they should be actually sounding the alarms right the eff now. Humans... Same with Phoenix, same with Vegas, same with parts of California. We are well past the curve.

[@Pangolin-Mandolin]

Right?! It's like a positive or reinforcing feedback loop....the most devastating effects of climate change regarding how it affects people, usually seems to be this type of, "because this was worse this year, it makes this happen less each year and because that happened it means that the thing that would usually replenish the first part of the cycle, doesn't happen as much as it did the previous year...." and on and on it goes.

[@majorkramer]

I'm expecting no solution because America is great. I'm watching this while trying to think why nothing is being done & just as important, what we have left that can be saved. It's almost as if we should pack up & move. After everything dries up & after other area's flood where is it liveable?

[@BlueSharkRides]

I'm from Utah, 28 years here and it's insane how far gone the lake has gotten. We need to buy out farmers water rights that only grow alfalfa (cow feed) and push all of that water back into the GSL. Most farms only grow alfalfa which is an awful crop to grow anywhere as dry as Utah.

[@user-pd9ju5dk5s]

Why are they farming in Utah in the first place? Isnt it one of the driest states in the US?

[@BlueSharkRides]

@@user-pd9ju5dk5s Good question, there are farms all along Utah lake and all over the state. And yes it is.

[@esmewvimes2901]

Thank you, I was sure I was the only one that would make this comment. I know people will say they've had cattle through many generations, and there are a lot of very big farms who graze for free on federal land and it seems to foster entitlement. We can't afford to keep all those cattle, and I say that as someone who can't afford to buy meat more than once or twice a month. I'm becoming a piscatarian out of financial hardship. Canned tuna and the occasional tilapia fillet are nothing to look forward to, month in and month out.

[@smesui1799]

A similar lake ( inland sea ) the Aral Sea in central Asia is already gone.

[@rusharnmal7425]

The problem is that the water management bureau of Utah viewed any water reaching the Great Salt Lake as wasted water. The Lake never had any water designated for it. It has been very hard to get the Utah government to listen and a lot of that has to do with blatant corruption within the state government.

[@scottanno8861]

Also the alfalfa farmers use insane amounts of water to export abroad

[@scottanno8861]

@@BF... Don't you get it? A single cup of walnuts takes 10 GALLONS of water to grow. An acre of agriculture is far more water usage than an acre of urban development.

[@jermainerace4156]

@@scottanno8861 But neither the agriculture nor the urban development is really appropriate in a desert.

[@ChristianityRecap]

@@scottanno8861why is nobody talking about the absurd amount of golf courses in the salt lake valley?

[@lordgarion514]

The thing is, the only reason water isn't reaching the lake is because humans are using it. Everywhere is running short on water.

[@mibox8302]

Telling 1 group to conserve while letting another group use as much as they want will end in nothing being done to fix the problem

[@guitarhausdoesntknowwhatac3285]

Have's and Have not's is pretty core to modern republican ideology.

[@kirkmoody6109]

@Guitarhaus doesntknowwhatacommunistis no no it's not that would be modern democrats

[@guitarhausdoesntknowwhatac3285]

@@kirkmoody6109 It absolutely is kid.

[@kirkmoody6109]

@@guitarhausdoesntknowwhatac3285 no it's not child

[@guitarhausdoesntknowwhatac3285]

@@kirkmoody6109 yeah it is kid.

[@estewar03]

As someone born & raised in SLC, 38 y/o, I have to agree with this. All of our Lakes & reservoirs are dangerously low. Wastefulness is killing our cities name sake. It's such a sad sight to see just how much things have changed in my short lifetime thus far; I really hope people wake the heck up before it really is too late to be able to recover.

[@AGRsZuk]

Yeah, I'm in the same boat with ya I'm 37, born and raised here. It's crazy how bad things are now.

[@Ashphinchtersayswhat]

They are actually keeping gates open and allowing it to run to the ocean. Ask anyone who works at a dam.

[@MONSTERSINC801]

Do you remember when you'd round the point of the mountain by the old prison and Lehi and everything was literally just a giant field with no buildings or houses in sight besides Thanksgiving point and how big of a deal it was when they built the cabelas? The good old days...

[@estewar03]

@Sullivan Locke unfortunately I do remember. I used to kinda laugh when I was young, and my parents would say how much it'd changed back then. Now I understand, except it's substantially worse these days.

[@buninparadise9476]

too late

[@johnellis7124]

Alright... Here's something I don't hear anyone saying, but I think it needs to be said: The entire Salt Lake and Utah Valleys, as well as the Wasatch Mountains are the watershed for the Great Salt Lake. Virtually every community that allows development requires that storm water and snow melt runoff be contained within the site. 50 years ago, when the Great Salt Lake Watershed was home to fewer than 1 million people, the snow and rain that fell on the west side of Utah Lake and the Jordan River ran virtually unrestricted into the Great Salt Lake. Today, residential and commercial development covers most of that once-wild land. Every development has catchment systems that prevent all but a very little snow or rain from ever reaching the Great Salt Lake. Blaming farmers, who are cultivating fewer and fewer acres each year, for using water is disingenuous. It is our municipal policies restricting runoff from moving into the lakes and rivers that feed the Great Salt Lake that are choking it to death.

[@LoneTreeAdventures]

It’s sad to know as an activist in Utah how hard we have been working to voice this alarm for over a decade now. Hopefully we can reverse some of these effects and it’s not going to be to little to late.

[@stringlarson1247]

And you can get labeled a terrorist. Nice country, eh?

[@leonardosantuario3346]

Cool story, bro.

[@H43N]

wont joseph smith save the day?

[@unguidedone]

its one thing to raise alarm but what are the countermeasures to field if you are faced with this problem?

[@ariw9405]

And they were probably calling you alarmist back then as well. So sad thank you for fighting the good fight

[@lemonvalkyrie1521]

As someone who lives in SLC it's great to see people talking about the lake drying up. It's important to raise awareness

[@iRiShNFT]

It's a Salt Lake ... It's been drying up for millions of years ... then you come along and live beside it and then cry about it drying up. It's ridiculous Try living somewhere that isn't a desert

[@EthansSmallHands]

@@d.w.8100 oxymoron.

[@permacultureecuador2925]

WHAT ABOUT THE NORDSTREAM PIPELINE THAT WAS BLOWN UP BY THE USA!??!!

[@keynage6693]

@@iRiShNFT sure it might've been drying up but nowhere near the pace it is now

[@aleleeramos]

Same. It’s so damn important we act on this. And this is the first step.

[@hyguy1258]

The amount of water that has disappeared in the last 10 years is insane, I can’t even remember the last time you were able to launch out of the marina at antelope island…

[@billyjackson5664]

All the poor liberals moved there from California. Was expected..

[@broadwellairdomes3046]

Luckily the lake has risen almost 2 feet because of storms the past few months! We are expecting 12" of snow tonight and tomorrow in the valley. The mountains already have historic snow pack, so it's all heading in the right direction.

[@peteheslop456]

Having grown up in Salt Lake City it’s a real fear considering worsening air quality and other environmental repercussions. The lake drying up has always been speculated but never taken for a reality until the last few years.

[@alexs1640]

It's a good thing Utah is a safe Republican state who vote for Republicans who have shown time and again that they deny any climate changes and generally ignore all environmental actions.

[@Cheesusrice69222]

The lake has been drying for thousands of years it's a dryed up puddle of what lake Bonneville was

[@peteheslop456]

Honestly can’t argue with that, but the idea is that it’s drying up at an unhealthy rate because of poor management.

[@peteheslop456]

@@alexs1640 it’s a party based on facts and data not emotions. Now that it’s no longer an emotional speculation they’re dumping millions into the problem.

[@alexs1640]

@@Cheesusrice69222 ah the age old "climate is always changing and humans have no effect on the environment" argument. Only god can affect nature right?

[@kria9119]

The whole state of Utah is crazy. You have intensive agriculture, water parks and bloody golf courses with urban sprawl and lawns in a semi-desert. Semi-DESERT. Everyone is at fault and no one wants to be the one to give up. Lake will run dry and everyone's guilty.

[@joeyj6808]

Places like LA, Vegas and Phoenix were built in deserts, with no available water, even for small populations. Yet they grew enormous stealing water that should have been elsewhere. As long as that'a allowed to go on, things will get worse.

[@thealternative9580]

@@joeyj6808I mean LA will be there regardless the rest of those cities inside the next 10 years will go into collapse.

[@Lysergic_]

I think agriculture has a bigger priority over recreation and urban sprawl. Farms are being bought up for urbanization which is slowly but surely pushing agriculture into less sustainable and adequate regions

[@usnchief1339]

Then they will give it up

[@alistairwalker2850]

@@joeyj6808 Vegas actually does a good job recycling the water they use, and out of all the cities in the Southwest they’re the most water-efficient.

[@terramater]

Crazy thing: so many enorheic lakes around the world are currently drying up. We made a video on this exact topic a couple of months ago and: Owens Lake in California is a perfect history textbook case on what will happen when GSL is drying up further. Only on a much larger scale!

[@sissysummer4000]

Thank you Brad and Kelly I appreciate your daily updates.

[@cstephen98]

I remember this first being discussed and predected back in the 80's as well as water use on the Colarado River and the entire Southwest predicted to become a giant desert.

[@kilocasanova6838]

Its inevitable, climate change will not stop no matter what humans do. Its what meant to happen, its natural..

[@stringlarson1247]

Yup. I've been ridiculed ever since. I really wish I was wrong 'back in the day'.

[@BL-zi9wb]

When I was a little kid I had a geography book that talked about desertification of the Western US. It's proven entirely true.

[@bonegrubber]

I remember you remember that!

[@oneone5028]

The entire southwest is a giant desert for million years and will be always a desert but we bend the nature to our will. It can go only so far before snapping. We are witnessing that.

[@XOguitargurlOX]

I remember learning in grade school early 00s that if we didn't take this problem seriously we'd see the end of the Great Salt Lake before we died...they didn't say before I turned 35 😞

[@DavidHalverson]

Everything on this planet is actually finite quantity, even the air we breathe is finite, if we pollute it, we will eventually lose the use of the atmosphere to breathe, as well. Water, and air are needed for carbon based lifeforms, remove these from the equation, spells the end of human life and all life on this planet, right down to the bacteria.

[@talkingthetalk3640]

Keep voting red.

[@yourfavoritemartian224]

@@talkingthetalk3640 what does that have to do with anything he said

[@xAlexZifko]

you still have a few years left to get a death in

[@oh-yt9ug]

@@yourfavoritemartian224 early 00's had the bush admin + oil lobbyists republicans are the ones who roll back epa regulations

[@thomasshingleton9289]

The water in the lake itself is NOT used for irrigating farms, AT ALL. The story was a bit misleading as it stated this several times. It wasn't until one of the people interviewed said something about the tributaries was the truth stated. In fact, it is "FRESH" water, running into the Salt Lake that's first used for irrigation. Many of the farms use flood irrigating, a method that allows the unused water to continue its flow into the lake. Also, it should be noted that rain and snow amounts over the last decade have decreased significantly, all contributing to the lake drying up. And, one of the worlds largest open pit mines, only a few miles south of the lake should to be mentioned. Every year, Kennecott mine produces approximately 300 thousand tons of copper! More than 100,000 gallons of water per ton of copper was used in the production of the copper! Of this amount, about 70,000 gallons per ton was used in mining and concentrating the ore, and about 30,000 gallons per ton was used to reduce the concentrate to refined copper! Do the math on this and compare it to the amount of water used for irrigating. You'll see that the mine uses a significant amount ! And, once the water has been used for the mining process, it's no longer drinkable! It now has to be treated and dumped. The chemicals used to treat and make the water "safe" are highly toxic and are known to cause birth defects in birds or any living thing that comes into contact with it! Why is this important? Because they then dump the "treated" water into a holding "pond" right across the freeway from the lake. Eventually, some of it makes its way back into the lake. Point being is there are other contributing factors besides farming that directly affect the lake and should have been mentioned. Maybe in the future, the Soros funded (50 million $ last year). Vice news will tell the "rest of the story"! I've worked and lived in Utah for over 60 years, and like others who live in Utah, only want the best for this beautiful state.

[@theonewiththeface6258]

Living in this amazing place. I'm so glad this is becoming headlines. Our way of life is being very threaded. This lake provides our weather patterns and is a large part of why we have our snowy mountains everyone so loves.

[@LordLorenzo834]

You do know humans can't stop evaporation right

[@yuehan6711]

@@LordLorenzo834 Yes but we can stop reckless agriculture and urban sprawl.

[@joshulery6525]

@@LordLorenzo834 brother this is not about evaporation

[@photosbyernesto9621]

We see this time and again: the Salton Sea, the Aral Sea... Man never learns.

[@neutrongarbage]

The Salton Sea was man-made, effectively. The lake that was there in the past dried up in the 1500s and the Colorado River was redirected for irrigation in the early 1900s, filling the dry lake basin now known as the Salton Sea. The name for this prehistoric lake is Lake Cahuilla. Not a very adept comparison, but nonetheless indicative of mankind's terraforming desires.

[@Pretermit_Sound]

Owen’s Lake….

[@Plasmon19]

One of the suggestions I've read about is pumping water from the pacific into the great salt lake. That's pretty insane.

[@tommym875]

Takeaway: That’s one of the nicest kayaks I’ve ever seen..

[@davebenz8271]

Gorgeous.

[@thelostcosmonaut5555]

They tell us to watch our water usage when the water parks are still open and golf courses are still being watered.

[@larion2336]

rules for thee not for me

[@pokeman5000]

Always remember when they talk about lowering the carbon footprint, or making "sacrafices". It's you. You're the carbon footprint they have to "sacrifice".

[@Sanjuannative]

All that doesn’t even compare to the amount of water agriculture uses to grow alfalfa that usually ends up being sold to foreign countries such as Saudi Arabia to feed their cattle

[@kegsofvomitspit]

tHeY

[@thelostcosmonaut5555]

@@kegsofvomitspit thank you for your meaningful contribution to this conversation.

[@austint.6627]

Never thought this would happen in my lifetime. This seemed like an ocean as a kid

[@lostinbravado]

And likely much worse is still yet to come, globally. We haven't really made any progress with climate change except to slow down how rapidly things decline.

[@Chris-re3xr]

Hahahaha

[@Broken_Orbital]

and that's exactly the mentality that leads to this kind of thing..

[@TheCaptainSplatter]

This like Russia's version of that one lake.

[@beigegaming9905]

Years of inaction. Hate to say this but you, your parents, and your parents parents are responsible for this. All of our bad decisions have led us here. Now we will have to wallow in this. If we were smart, we’d leave the desert alone. It’s something we shouldn’t be trying to conquer. We should be chipping the edges away with greenery in hopes that this will spread and eventually make these places thrive again.

[@jacobmcgovern3753]

You should cover the ACTUAL environmental atomic bomb in East Palestine, OH.

[@robertm.6583]

Thank God they are actually telling us that the overuse of agriculture is the reason.

[@Brownyman]

Going to be on the US’s Aral Sea disaster.

[@bilaltv2124]

Here is the recommended clip that say it : kzbin.info/www/bejne/en-uf56GmNWlo8U

[@michaeltan7855]

Sounds like Mike lee

[@DavidHalverson]

Going to be seeing a lot of lakes and interior seas being depleted to nothing through mismanagement and lack of conservation. Take notice of Lake Mead, Nevada which is used for water and electric generation by Nevada, The Great Salt Lake for water by Utah, The Canadian and American Great Lakes System for water by both USA and Canadian border cities.

[@theblackhand6485]

@The Ethicist Philosophy Show: Exactly that! And pointing towards the Russians while 'we' are creating the same disaster!

[@TheCaptainSplatter]

@@DavidHalverson this why i dont want western states touching my great lakes. Off limits other than states who live by them. Oh and canada of course.

[@JamesRockefeller45]

The fact the state put one of the ranchers in charge of the problem shows exactly how much power those guys have in the state

[@theterminaldave]

And once the water runs out, so will their influence, leaving a wake of destruction in their absence. That whole bible verse (and I'm not religious) where it says the meek shall inherit the earth, used to sound so hopeful, but if nothing changes all the meek will inherit will be a wasteland.

[@theterminaldave]

@@GrapeSoda672 oh puke, i can not deal with this religious delusional garbage.

[@beaudwayful]

@@GrapeSoda672 Another religious terrorist rotting for the end of days...

[@montyjackson8156]

It will give folks the excuse to migrate to MO just like ole Joe Smith said.

[@Endorphins27]

Ranchers and Mormons

[@Hurricane0721]

History shows that entire Salt Lake Basin is made up of pre-historic lakes that no longer exist. That was long before mankind was ever there! So these salt lakes are born, and then eventually disappear on their own naturally. At one point in time what is now downtown Salt Lake City was under hundreds of feet of water under pre-historic Lake Bonneville, which was about the size of present day Lake Ontario! That gives you an idea how much the lakes and the climate in that basin have varied radically over time by nature. History shows that none of those lakes are permanent features. That’s the course of nature. It is purely mankind’s hubris to think that nature meant for the Great Salt Lake to be something that is permanent. However, it’s the crap that mankind has dumped into the lake that makes this an environmental disaster.

[@royaleevangeline2038]

You’re 100% correct. Nature never meant for the Great Salt Lake to be something that is permanent. Like you said, that is made very clear by the geological history of the Salt Lake Valley. These lakes are born, and then they disappear naturally. The geological history of the valley also makes it very clear that the climate of the valley has radically changed over time naturally long before mankind ever lived in the valley.

[@ChristmasLights2]

We lived in Tooele, and left largely due to the poor air quality and the shrinking lake. Total time bomb.

[@froogleislive]

I grew up in Salt Lake and Shrimped for 3 years, its hard work and smells terrible but it pays really well. The view at night is unmatched. Never before or after have I seen stars like that. Sad to see this happening to such a beautiful place.

[@KB-ke3fi]

It'll come back when your great grandkids are old. It always does. This is a natural 150 year cycle.

[@observantmonkey4055]

:)

[@steviewonderisnotblind5833]

@@KB-ke3fi His great grandkids will be busy knifing each other for the last bottle of drinking water.

[@thirtythreeeyes8624]

​@@KB-ke3fi While it has been drying up for 30,000 years it's never been completely dry.

[@gazzy9136]

@@steviewonderisnotblind5833you gotta look on the bright side of life sometimes and not be so cynical

[@Billhatestheinternet]

For anyone who wonders what the health, economic, and other impacts of this salt lake in the middle of the American desert drying up, one only has to look to another salt lake (sea) in the middle of another desert in Asia: the Aral Sea and what has happened after the Soviets diverted all of the water for cotton.

[@josephesther6252]

This is a very important point!

[@pippetandpossum]

Also the Salton sea in Ca

[@FragrantlyOdious]

I've been watching the decline of NA lakes for the past decade. I saw a shocking graph about the loss of water over the past 5 decades. I've just never had anyone really to discuss it with or tell because it almost seems unbelievable. I'm worried for us all honestly. I don't think there's enough time. I want to help with land reclamation and reestablishment for the nature and cooperate human habitation within it. I've been working at it but on small scale. I need help. I know there's others out there trying to help the ecosystems but it's just not enough :(

[@ryanramaekers2173]

Good work brother keep it pushin! We need more ppl like yourself

[@EricSanAltarez]

We have been getting quite a bit of snow over the past week but before that it was just cold and dry with very little snow but I do agree; we need to start limiting ourselves water usage because it is getting smaller by each year.

[@p.williams]

Thank you for posting this! Utahns like myself have been trying to bring attention to this for years, to no avail.

[@leonardosantuario3346]

Cool story, bro.

[@sampoche9309]

@@leonardosantuario3346are u really this sad

[@leonardosantuario3346]

@@sampoche9309 on the contrary, I'm pretty happy 😊

[@Fechual]

@@leonardosantuario3346 Cool story Bro.

[@tomstevens8243]

No need to thank them Utah. They make their living scaring people into clicking their videos. Fossil fuels also didn't cause the last ice age so I'm not sure why they're telling us the next one is. What does "bringing attention" to this actually do to fix anything but make these guys money anyway? I can tell you first hand, many people have been sounding the alarm about this and many other atrocities committed against us and our planet since at least the early 70's when I was an activist. We got rid of hair spray for one. (For the 70's big hair era, that was a huge deal!) Gas prices went up then too but we also had to sit in miles long lines on alternate Tuesdays to fill our tanks. We used to bring frisbees and footballs to the gas station and throw the ball around with other customers while we waited. The Ozone layer must be gone by now but I haven't heard another word about it since it made the news way back then, but it did make a bunch of people rich scaring us about it. What actually got done? Companies moved to China and our air quality got better but, it killed our economy too. Today, the Ozone is still on it's own. No money in it. There's nothing you or I can do about global warming, only complain and point fingers. It's my guess that it's part of the reason why all the super rich are building rockets. They're running out of ways to make money. Very little resources left to steal and make profits off any more. We little people aren't the ones destroying the planet but we're the ones being held accountable. Just follow the money if you want to know where we should be concentrating our efforts. Also, DNR and VICE using words like "Nuclear bomb" is just irresponsible. Like this stuff isn't bad enough, they need to add Nuclear Bomb to the title. "Scared" sells now more than ever. Something had to replace "sex sells" now that we don't have any idea what that is any more. Everything is about making money and not caring about what we do to each other to get it. We need to hold these reporters more accountable. That's something we CAN do something about now. Don't feed these trolls. Make them do something honest to earn it. The more we allow these people to do this, the more that will do it.

[@gallectee6032]

The animal agriculture sector is using like 80% of that water while only contributing around 2% of the GDP to Utah (I might be mixing it with Lake Mead). This is a no brainer. Your video also relies on interviews. Referencing the studies that were performed on what is causing that depletion would improve the quality of the information you provide.

[@bilaltv2124]

Here is the recommended clip that say it : kzbin.info/www/bejne/en-uf56GmNWlo8U

[@poolhall9632]

this is Vice, they don’t do research anymore, it’s just shock value.

[@alexs1640]

@@poolhall9632 it's called awareness. Maybe you don't, but plenty of people who see stuff like this do their own research and come to find information likely not given in the news piece. It's still raising awareness for what is happening in Utah. The more eyes, the more likely things change

[@yucol5661]

Research papers never hit well in the news

[@rhododenbro]

Agreed, it's misleading to just have a few people go oh well people say a lot of water is used by farmers when even a casual search for data shows that 70-80% of water is being used for agricultural irrigation and has been for some time. What gives Vice?

[@jamescrawford8121]

I like how they kept talking about farming using up all the water, I don't imagine SLC uses any water.

[@billyjackson5664]

Oh wow, the water's drying up in the desert!? Holy cow!

[@sethsmith8638]

"Whomever claimed the water first, gets it first?" You mean, except for the natives.

[@ericlaw2416]

Which natives? The first ones, the last ones, or the ones in between?

[@sethsmith8638]

@Eric Law not the current ones; the ones who clearly didn't claim it first.

[@carsondavis9675]

Someone who grew up in rural Utah, on the wasatch front, and on a farm. My grandfather was the water district president and my other family members had integral roles in managing that water. There is a ton of wetlands that feed into the great salt lake. While our forefathers did secure very good water rights, there were more water rights gained later in the 20th century. As example is sewer treatment plants (I worked at a major one along the wasatch front) and that water is cleaner than any of the rivers, as it leaves the plant, and then is used for irrigation. We have less farmers, using less water, to water less ground. Farming isn’t a growing industry in Utah, if anything it’s dwindling fast. I would say it has much less to do with farmers, than it does with warmer temp cycles, and more people moving in, that utilize grass and yards, and at least 200 gallons per day in their household. Farming has been happening for hundreds of years, and the lake flooded its banks in 1984 and 85. What’s the biggest difference from then to now? Weather cycles, and more people. Significantly less farmers as well. Most of the water used in Weber and Davis counties is flood irrigation, and a lot of the water is drained off, and goes right back to the lake.

[@spider0804]

According to the Utah Rivers Council, 85 percent of the Great Salt Lake's watershed is used for agriculture, 7.5 percent for industrial, and 7.5 percent for residential What you feel and the reality are different.

[@carsondavis9675]

@@spider0804 I’m not saying agriculture doesn’t use the most, I’m saying it farmers haven’t increased their usage or changed anything, and they were doing fine for 100 years. I’m also saying the laying was full in 1984 at least. Warmer temperatures, more water being utilized for evaporation ponds (I’m not sure if that is taken into account for industrial). So what exactly changed? What drove the change that the lake is being lowered now and it hasn’t in the last 100 years?

[@BlackFrogCO]

The sad part is no-one cares what you have to say... Having family in Tooele and learning too about water rights, no one wants to spend the time to learn about the history of water management or conservation. Low hanging fruit to say it's the farmers fault. Growth / population in the West has been the largest impact on water and it's loss. But thank you for saying it, some appreciate it.

[@spider0804]

@Carson Davis you can say all that but 85% is 85%

[@carsondavis9675]

@@spider0804 cool story, you have no definitive proof if we stopped pulling water from rivers, that it would make a change. The water table on the wasatch front is like 6 ft down and any extra water that isn’t used by plants goes through groundwater right to the lake.

[@shammydammy2610]

When I lived in Layton during the 80's, it was not unusual for the lake to be so high it would cover the causeway to Antelope Island. And now, apparently, Antelope Island isn't an island anymore.

[@kamenneikoo7854]

They need to let the lake recover. If they dont shut of the water siphons and create a temporary no fishing zone eventually there will be no water left to harvest or fish in

[@joshuawatson1902]

Activists have been sounding this alarm for at least 20 years, and politicians have done NOTHING. We MUST take massive action right now

[@eliseeden]

GOP state. What’s ya expect?

[@krto7663]

Dont worry the american healthcare system will take care of you when the toxic dust starts affecting your lungs

[@kingofoblivion1822]

Is it because of the excessive use of the lake? They are pulling everything out of it, of course it will die

[@guitarhausdoesntknowwhatac3285]

@@eliseeden Pretty much this; Utah is a deeply republican and mormon state so you have this insane one two punch of a complete disregard for environmental sustainability and *also* the assumption that god will fix it if you just pray hard enough.

[@Wanderer25]

You are taking massive action, by voting in the politicians owned by the corporations. You keep voting against yours own interests.

[@thatGUYbehindthemask]

imagine the dustbowl all over again.

[@apeman939]

+cancer

[@rovelfox7832]

Now with 100 years of agricultural pesticides mixed in! Fun times

[@gregrodriguez1064]

One of many reasons I moved out of Utah. I grew up here and it sadness me that this is happening. No leader payed attention to it until it was too late. 😢

[@rellstuttin9198]

My apartment complex here in Utah was watering the grass every night until lat November!

[@nataliezementbeisser1492]

Salt Lake City has no Salt Lake anymore. Nice job people.

[@apeman939]

it's just called City, Utah

[@noduh736]

Drive around salt lake county there's literally thousands of Mormon churches with 2 or 3+ acres of emerald green grass tap water mostly it's damn ridiculous were in a drought

[@grmpEqweer]

F!!k lawns. Xeriscape ought to be mandatory in states with water problems. It would be better for native insects to have native plants.

[@craigb8228]

It's okay. Don't believe in karma.

[@AntarcticIceCap]

I KNOW, ITS FUCKING CRAZY I live just north of SLC and this stupid church a few streets over has an enormous, 3+ acre, beautiful green field. Guess what they do with it. ABSOLUTELY FUCKING NOTHING.

[@mochiebellina8190]

there are 130 golf courses in Palm Springs area using Colo. River water.

[@montyjackson8156]

It will give folks the excuse to migrate to MO just like ole Joe Smith said.

[@Randy_Butternubs]

I'm from Utah and this makes me feel really sad but mostly angry because people here don't really care.

[@grmpEqweer]

They won't care until they have to move.

[@Freshadventures_]

Most people don't care about anything until it affects them ,unfortunately most of the population is like this.

[@michaeltan7855]

COVID wasn't strong enough

[@talkingthetalk3640]

Keep voting red. Conservative policies have been doing a great job protecting your lake.😆

[@theterminaldave]

@@Freshadventures_ Most of humanity is like this. It's like our defining characteristic.

[@_koji]

Thanks for the video!

[@truthofdsp]

Imagine dealing with toxic workplace drama every week and then watching the world fall apart all around you.

[@LurkingxReaper]

It is okay the governor says it will come back if the state prays together!

[@bilaltv2124]

Here is the recommended clip that say it : kzbin.info/www/bejne/en-uf56GmNWlo8U

[@SeptikAvenger]

The Aral Sea says hello from the grave.

[@drrightwing4435]

The wasatch front has been one of the fastest growing metro areas in the nation for decades. With that increase of population and water usage which diverts mountain runoff to reservoirs instead of GSL, it was pretty obvious that this would happen

[@cziprick]

Politicians say to Conserve on water and yet they allow and encourage more Real Estate Development.

[@xavierjefferies9291]

I was raised in the Tooele valley over the last 17 years which is less than 10 miles from the lake. It’s been a crazy thing to see the water levels dropping every year. During 2022 you could see a visible difference in the lake levels from month to month. It’s a crazy lake, but it would be sad to see the only natural body of water in the valley disappear.

[@castlekingside76]

People used it too much. Now it's drying up.

[@lordjaraxxus5418]

@@castlekingside76 mixed with the rain from the east not reaching as far east and the rain from the west being stopped by the rocky mountains.

[@anonymous-is4hy]

WHO CAREs

[@eddiegutierrezjr6226]

@@lordjaraxxus5418I’m pretty sure the Sierra Nevada mountains are the ones you’re referring to.

[@evolicious]

@@castlekingside76 Global warming onset by mass pollution and industry is the biggest contributor though.

[@RoninAvenger]

Makes me think of the fate of the Anasazi civilization. Their region was a lot greener once and they were able to create irrigation for massive farms and provided for several major cities in the region. A lot of the canyons that are near their ancient cities were once flowing with water. Eventually things started drying up and this helped to cause their massive civilization enter a famine and civil war, and eventual collapse.

[@phole1100]

Amazing how we never learn isn't it? We use words like "shocked" and "amazed" like we have had our eyes closed this whole time

[@shillian4770]

@@phole1100 ⭕️

[@EricSanAltarez]

The only difference is that they weren't using any fossil fuels compare to modern times. Maybe they were affect by the 'Great Flood' that happened in every culture? 13th century BC?

[@byrnc927]

I guess the climate changed for the Anasazi from all those buffalo and horse farts, not SUVs.

[@YouAreStillNotablaze]

@@byrnc927 Obviously we're talking about different scales and capabilities, and different causes for different things.

[@au2au2]

Salt Lake City uses twice as much water per person as other desert cities like Santa Fe... Not going to solve the problem entirely, but people need to be made aware and act accordingly

[@corbananderson7060]

A couple of other things to add is that the majority of the agriculture in Utah is either ranching or animal feed. Almost all of it isn't used locally either and is shipped out. They also still use outdated canals and waterlog fields that wastes a lot of water. The desert west of the Great Salt Lake has also been used for a lot of weapons testing by the military for over a century, everything from chemical weapons to nuclear testing and the lake bed contains pollution from that. That stuff goes airborne as the lake dries up. Most of the snow we get in our area is called "lake effect snow" where storms pass over the Great Salt Lake beef up and then dump in the mountains to the east of it. Those storms will also go away when the lake dries up and will most likely kill the ski resorts. Another lake that should be mentioned is Utah Lake in Provo south of the Great Salt Lake. This lake is beyond polluted because of a steel company that used to be there and also all the pollutants from the agriculture around it. The lake gets massive algae blooms all the time

[@PappaMustafa]

Soon it'll be call Salt City

[@jacobcooper7123]

Or just "City"

[@usnchief1339]

Ghost city

[@Yarpon]

As the water level continues to fall the salinity of the water increases. Pretty soon the water will be too salty to support aquatic life.

[@Anglo-Saxon9]

It pisses me off that we build these huge cities in environments that can't sustain it.

[@Franaflyby]

And the State of Utah keeps giving building permits to allow more humans to live in an already dying environment. I used to go out to suicide rock and that's been visible for a long time. No more jumping off the rock. You can't even see the downtown area or the Wasatch mountains due to apartments everywhere. 😢

[@Teabahgeue]

"Great Dustbowl II: Toxic Boogaloo"

[@vyoufinder]

I used to live just a few miles from the Waterfowl Management Area near Centerville. I started photographing the birds in about 1993. At that time, I could spot hundreds of eagles in a day. One time I counted over 100 eagles in one tree alone! In about 2000, I started noticing a sharp decline. Suddenly it was hard ot find an eagle and in general, the birds had lessened their numbers. Now you can never spot an eagle there. Not one, not in sevarl days and weeks of trying to find one will you find an eagle I'll bet. Not just the eagles though. The hawks, owls, and seabirds like Great Blue Herons are all barely represented compared to what they were. It is a disaster, as is the air pollution and pollution of all types around Salt Lake City. That's why I left. In general, the people in the area don't have a clue. They grow water hungry crops using water intensive irrigation methods en masse. The people don't seem bothered by anything corporations do around them in the name of commerce and god will save them. I think Salt Lake City will ultimately have to move its location.

[@andrewpuff24]

thank you for covering this important story.

[@TheFeist77]

conserving excess water from agricultural fields is good, but what about the chemicals and fertilizers they use being added into the lake.

[@terramater]

It's insane how lakes are disappearing worldwide and how global water scarcity is becoming an even more real threat. Our crew recently filmed the Colorado River and tried to explain why it is drying. We also investigated other water conflicts, like the river Nile, that's slowly drying, plus there's a major construction project upriver that is further endangering the life of the river. At the same time, Saudi Arabia is trying to use new technology to resolve water scarcity using seawater; we also shed light on this new desalination system.

[@Quantum-]

Funny how bodies of water are drying up in the deserts. Because nobody could do the math on that.

[@butterman0007]

Nothing is more important than water. Def subbed. Check out Andrew Molison's coverage on 'the india water cup'. There are real solutions to these problems

[@kyleelward5445]

@@Quantum- those lakes and rivers have done just fine for thousands of years now all of a sudden they're drying up at the same time as large man made co2 production. do the maths on that

[@Quantum-]

@@kyleelward5445 volcanoes produce more toxic and greenhouse gasses than man could ever put out. And that water did fine when it was undisturbed. Humans started consuming that water for their own purposes, what did they think would happen? Global warming is a sham. It's called climate. The earth does this all by itself. It would get hotter even if we were still carving rocks with hand tools.

[@Quantum-]

@@kyleelward5445 where were the cars and factories when the Nile stopped flooding for the ancient Egyptians and the desert spread into their oasis? That whole area used to be jungle before it turned into a sea of sand. And that all happened before modern CO2 production.

[@Dubbyuh]

I live in Utah and I am afraid the best we can do is "thoughts and prayers".

[@apeman939]

we can fast, too! /s

[@mho...]

maybe thinking about sustainability & taking care of the enviroment, rather then messing up the land & then praying to an imaginary skywizard to change it back to rapeable nature, to do it again 🙄

[@annakeye]

Only if you're wearing your magic underwear.

[@jayman5692]

Well y’all are def fucked

[@christopherross8358]

Prophet Nelson is working it out right now with clean shaven Jesus and Joseph S. No Worries 🌈

[@oceanmariner]

The real problem is too many people. The farmers have been there for over a hundred years, and there was plenty of water then. Just because the world is overpopulated doesn't mean we need to do the same here.

[@at1970]

Unlimited population growth and development in an area with finite resources. What could possibly go wrong?

[@kiwidiesel]

Personally I can't think of anything wrong with that model 🤣🤣

[@at1970]

@@kiwidiesel It’s given us the planet we have now and the bleak future we are facing. And nobody will even discuss it.

[@grmpEqweer]

The main problem is trying to have too much agriculture in a semi-desert environment. 75% of water usage there is agriculture.

[@at1970]

@@grmpEqweer The main problem is the same one everywhere. Too many people. What do you think causes climate change? Or drives agriculture or development like roads, oil and gas use and on and on. We can dance around the issue all day forever, but in the end human over population causes all these issues. The US has added >110 million people in the last 40 years. The country didn’t get a sf bigger or get any more resources. Just the opposite in fact. If we had a population policy that encouraged a steady state population (like virtually all other species) would our energy, pollution, climate change, open space, housing crises etc be better or worse?

[@grmpEqweer]

@@at1970 We native-born aren't reproducing enough to hold replacement value. These people are immigrating here, my friend. Which means they would exist somewhere on the planet if not here. ...The best way to voluntarily lower birthrates: -Women's rights -Freely available birth control -compulsory child education -child labor mostly illegal. -basic healthcare, including vaccines. I note the USA, my country, is backsliding on this. Compulsory child education means that parents can't have kids to work full-time and make money; children are liabilities. If basic healthcare is accessible, children will live to adulthood. If women then have birth control, they will average two kids. Are you proposing some sort of genocide to save the planet? If so, the Western world sucks down far more resources and puts far more CO2 in the atmosphere than the rest of the world. So we should go first on that.

[@cstephen98]

This will eventually be the US equivalent to Russia did to the Aral Sea.

[@casmatt99]

Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan are the primary parties involved there

[@caribbeanbro4630]

@@casmatt99 In the early 1960s,[27] as part of the Soviet government plan for cotton, or "white gold", to become a major export, the Amu Darya river in the south and the Syr Darya river in the east were diverted from feeding the Aral Sea to irrigate the desert in an attempt to grow cotton, melons, rice and cereals.

[@gerryjackwagon5115]

I grew up in Utah. Id go to the lake every summer. I’m saddened by the conditions of this lake.

[@doilusa]

Well that's just stupid... Must be 10% for the big guy...

[@imathreat209]

They literally built golf resorts in the middle of the desert

[@vamhpydeath]

all i can say is, i’ve grown up here. watching the lake shrink year by year is a very weird feeling

[@BRgoalie]

I like how the one "rancher" they interviewed was a government employee lol. Classic vice

[@jamesnolan3224]

I've flown over the lake a few times in the last 8 months. It's absolutely crazy how much of the lake is gone. It's obvious it's a shell of it's former self.

[@billyjackson5664]

Yea, just nuts that a desert would dry up!?

[@Gremlack13]

I flew over the great salt lake multiple times per week as a flight student. It was always seen as an area to just fly over without much thought and how the environment was treating things. I no longer live in that part of the country, and miss seeing what could be.

[@bens395]

Sadly The great lakes will you turn into development areas for investors...

[@JosephKulik2016]

We live in a civilization that can split the atom, put a man on the Moon, and put a computer in everyone's home, yet you want me to believe that this same civilization can't find a cost effective way to desalinate ocean water ??? Bull $hit !!! Water is Power. Not just Water Power but Social and Political Power too. The Elites know that if we started to desalinate ocean water they would lose a lot of Social and Political Power over the 99% of the rest of Humanity. The 1% have a way to control the 99% by controlling what fresh water is now available.

[@PhoenixtheII]

It's crazy right? People shocked over infinite growth on a finite planet.

[@ericpreston8877]

The solution is clearly to bring capitalism to the asteroid belt! [/sarcasm]

[@ixchel6255]

Love this video!!! Would love to see a video about big bear lake??

[@douchecraft3113]

Because it's a "salt" lake, is this something that could actually be replaced with ocean water?

[@calinfloyd]

The lake is also a big contributor to our snowfall. lake effect in the winter creates fluffy light snow that utah is known for.

[@jussikankinen9409]

No snow most like ans support global warming

[@calinfloyd]

@@jussikankinen9409 what

[@msmyankees]

This is not true. Only 30-40 inches of Altas annual 547” come from lake effect or about 6-7%.

[@calinfloyd]

@@msmyankees sure it is

[@matthewpetzold9878]

It blows my mind these people know so much but they still just keep killing their environment. Take kill take is the game. Wen its all gone go somewhere else

[@bilaltv2124]

Here is the recommended clip that say it : kzbin.info/www/bejne/en-uf56GmNWlo8U

[@peyton.simpson]

Until there is nowhere to go, to which humanity is doomed.

[@Siegefya]

Wouldn't say killing, environment gonna hit back eventually. Nature has a way of shifting into equilibrium and it doesn't care how much time we have to prepare for the blow. That's why I don't worry about any of this sht, we as humans actually think we are powerful..we believe it, and yet nature can make all of this stop for us quicker than we can even begin to prepare for it.

[@moroteseoinage]

Das crazy. Pass the Doritos

[@deucebigs9860]

That's capitalism baby! Everyone is just trying to make enough money so THEY don't have to really pay the price of capitalism, and not realizing if we band together it'll be cheaper and better for all but the 1%.

[@donavandwelch]

I grew up in Utah just north of SLC. When I was very little people still swam in the lake. Now it's little mire than a shallow wet land. Worse it's a vicious downward spiral as in years past the lake was large enough to cause rain in the valley. Less lake, less rain = less rain and less lake.

[@F_L_A_Bird]

Thank you!

[@RavenGuardian]

It's maddening to see this slow moving train wreck and not have the power to do anything about it

[@Bimboms]

its a story that plays throughout history going back to antiquity. a society manages a water resource, grows in population, water resource dwindles, resulting in varying degrees of migration, political instability, and ultimately collapse. the next 100 years will not be unique to humankind, but that wont lessen the consequences.

[@snorttroll4379]

just get atmospheric water and desalination. look into ionic filtering and reverse osmosis.

[@altrag]

@@snorttroll4379 Desalination is expensive and wouldn't really help Utah given that its the lake itself that's dying up - there's nothing to desalinate. Atmospheric water is a possibility but those technologies are still a long way off from the kind of mass scale you'd need to refill the GSL. I mean every little bit helps but those systems produce on the order of a few gallons to maybe a couple hundred gallons per day (and that's in a somewhat humid area - Utah probably be on the lower end). We'd need millions of gallons per day. The tech is promising, especially if it follows the path of solar where its low enough cost and useful enough that individuals might choose to reduce their own water consumption that way but its probably a good decade or more away from being able to provide water for an entire state.

[@davidheitman7004]

outboards must rot out at an insane speed!

[@theblondesiouxsiesioux]

I moved to S.L.C back in 2005 before the super massive population boom Utah has experienced in the last decade or so, the population of UT was something like 2.5ish million in 05, it is currently nearing double that (and honestly probably higher than that considering how few people there filled out the 2020 census). When I left UT, I saw sailing marinas that used to be full of boats looking like deserts. The natural eco-system of one of the driest states in the U.S can not candle this population growth.

[@nathanpartridge3565]

There's been three waves of Californians moving to Utah...90s, mid2000s (like you mentioned), and over the last few years.

[@jeffchurum1431]

But this is not the only lake that is drying up, It's happening all over the world. Anyone who has grown up near an inland water body as a child and if you compare now as adults can attest to differences, huge decline, and lower water levels are visible. It's just worrying and scary, I fear for the next generation It's gonna be tough.

[@jeremysmith5060]

Fresh water lakes are decreasing but only in certain places, while oceans rise but only in certain places. Makes you think.

[@nosferatuoddz7974]

Lot of insane stories popping up lately

[@undead_games_]

The world is getting more insane

[@markmajka1877]

@@undead_games_ only because of the truth being exposed seem to be impossible for many, deep inside we all know something evil was going on we just didn't know what it was, the catholic church was one of them, always felt out of place when I went to church, it was so uncomfortable in there.... I was in my teens when I had a dream that the ground under the church opened up into a hidden room and it was dark and creepy...

[@tuckerbugeater]

@@markmajka1877 You can't prove Covid is a bioweapon or weather warfare is happening. Attribution is nearly impossible.

[@gaz.9142]

@@undead_games_ real

[@lorenzoblum868]

To really expose the truth, we should mention the 1054 nuclear tests performed from 1945 to 1992...

[@stephenleblanc4677]

Why don't we see full credits for these segments.

[@lucasmcfarlane2227]

And it is alarmist. The entire southwestern US is in a mega drought. The GSL only barely reached below its lowest ever recorded depth last year, meaning that it really is not far off of what Utah has experienced before. The lake is extremely shallow and I always find it somewhat comical when journalists use area as a measure of depth. The Great Salt Lake is not going anywhere, and I am glad that Utah is moving in the right direction to put in better water keeping practices.

[@frenzyfol]

So similar to the problem with cotton farming on Murray Darling basin in Australia.

[@Blottingpaper]

Yeah if you listen to the cotton farmers/lobby there's no issue and that water wasn't going to be used anywhere else anyway...