Viceroy Royal 250 Shaper Introduction

[@samrodian919]

I had exactly the same machine in my workshops at the school I taught in back in the late '70's to '88. It was a brand new unused machine when I started there and i was the only one ever to use it in the ten years I was there. A sweet little machine and i only ever used it on home projects! The students never got anywhere near it! Lol I read up on shaping and taught myself how to use it. We had 4 Denford Viceroy lathes, one with the milling attachment and the shaper and a Tom Senior horizontal mill, no one ever used the mill either!

[@PiefacePete46]

@SAMRODIAN : "I read up on shaping and taught myself how to use it". The significance of that sentence is lost on younger generations: THEN: Repeated trips to the library, frustrating waits for the requested book to arrive, wading through it, outbursts of bad temper when you find that the pages with the tables have been torn out, the "Overdue" notes from the librarian, the accusations when they notice the torn out pages when you return the book... etc. etc. NOW: "Hey Google... show me videos on how to operate a metal shaper". DONE! Yeah... I remember the "Good Old Days"! 😵‍💫

[@andyelliott292]

Funny looking Land Rover

[@robinturner2300]

Andy Elliott yes... But British made😉

[@dejanbrice8774]

Probably more reliable too!

[@sethstanbury6126]

Don’t you love old machines that were only ever half-arsed converted to metric

[@rayg9069]

It's most likely infected with Whitworm as well. Just to annoy people with Imperial AF adjustable spanners.

[@GeoffreyCroker]

Wha'da ya mean...? It's not just restickered or anything...

[@sethstanbury6126]

Like the Colchester Lathes at my college. They have metric handwheels, but all the hardware and standards are standard

[@rayg9069]

@@GeoffreyCroker Aha, so the major divisions on the MM grad are 6.35, 12.6, 18.9 and 25.4. With the minors in 10 th's of that? (I've seen something similar done on cheap calipers, really messes with your head) Have a Happy Christmas and many thanks for the smiles and information. :-)

[@brlbrlbrlbrl]

I hate it when I get banshees in my motors.

[@TomMakeHere]

Great video Geoffrey I love the idea of shapers, but I would sit mesmerized by the mechanical ka-chunka-chunka all day

[@GeoffreyCroker]

Yip, that's about how long it takes to get anything done on one of these...

[@ypop417]

That is what I was told in High School machine shop, also told to stay away from it while it ran.

[@Stelios.Posantzis]

Why does it remind me of Wallace and Gromit?

[@Doughboy1941]

Someone has been watching to many Abom79 videos. Regards, Silas

[@paulwomack5866]

Or Stefan Gotteswinter?

[@terribleadelaidedrivers8754]

What an excellent Xmas gift - a new Geoffrey Croker vid. Greetings from across the ditch. Keep up the good work. Your restoration videos have calmed me down after many a crap day.

[@9neil]

Geoffrey. . Are you in NZ? I am in Palm. Nth, and have an alba shaper, which is also 20 inch, but a little bigger physically. I looked at a Royal that was for sale on Trademe yesterday, and it's a lovely little unit. Neil

[@dirk4926]

My girlfriend watched part of the video with me and when she saw the shaper running she said she wanted one...I have no idea what she meant by that

[@henrikhv5084]

The world would be such a poor place to be, without you… Thank you for your videos sir :-) and merry X-mas and happy new year

[@GeoffreyCroker]

Merry Christmas to you

[@NoelBarlau]

The internet always needs more metal shaper videos. Great score!

[@TheMetalButcher]

Not half bad Geoff. I really enjoy your restorations. I'm glad you saved the 3 phase motor, not much to go wrong other than bearings. I'm a bit more partial to American machines being Murican myself, but that's a nice little shaper you've got there. :)

[@ApolloSevan]

Love the editing! The one was beautiful!

[@ninjabearhug]

Nice vid! I live round the corner from the works where these were built, they still produce machines there to this day, mainly cnc nowadays though

[@samrodian919]

They made decent 12" lathes their Viceroy series and sold literally thousands to schools and colleges here in the UK and abroad. I had one shaper exactly the same as Geoffrey's and 6 Viceroy lathes under my care at the school I taught at in the 70's and 80's

[@filmbluff99]

Interesting, educational and amusing. Thank you for this and past videos. Happy Christmas to you.

[@GeoffreyCroker]

Merry Christmas Phil

[@MoraneAI]

People are asking what use a machine like this is...they are too slow for professional use nowadays, but for an amateur they will do the sort of work a horizontal mill will do, but without needing expensive hard to sharpen milling cutters. Not vital to have but nice. Usually quite cheap to obtain, funnily the smaller ones tend to be more expensive, but still much cheaper than any comparable mill.

[@alanslater4206]

Brighouse or as we say here in Yorkshire "Brigowse" is just a few miles up the road from me here in the UK. As for the shaper it looks good, another you tuber has recently been working on one he recently acquired. Check out Adam Booths channel Abom79

[@sblack48]

That’s a nice size. Big enough to have some weight and be rigid, but won’t fall through the floor. I have a 7” atlas and it is a bit flimsy.

[@growingknowledge]

Nice to see you back on the videos Geoff - Happy Christmas to you and the family !

[@GeoffreyCroker]

Merry Christmas!

[@johncorden5610]

Hi Geoffrey, I have the exact same machine. When I got it wrote to Viceroy who said all documentation had been lost in various factory moves. It's a very satisfying machine to use.

[@davidbrown8365]

I've just nickel plated the capstan winch drive flanges (turned on Myford ML7) for my '56 LR. Using Geoffs vinegar and mobile charger 'how hard can it be' recipe. Now I want a similar small shaper! Btw my next door neighbour was an engineer at the Hoover motor factory.

[@MrCrankyface]

That balancing was quite a method. Crude but clearly very effective!

[@slowgold20]

3:35 imagine hearing that sound echoing through an empty building

[@thisquietplace]

Great video as always, love the humor, you and This Old Tony are the funniest people in this genre of entertainment

[@GeoffreyCroker]

Thanks Havard!

[@samrodian919]

He's a lot funnier than tot lol

[@JamieBainbridge]

I don't understand what this machine is or does, but I would love to see you restore it!

[@dnkjdnkj2679]

Hi Geoff, it has been some time since I saw the shaper being lashed down and on its way to a new home. Welcome news to see that the Viceroy is up and running .

[@Rolingmetal]

That hoover motor brings back memories :) kzbin.info/www/bejne/fKjNoo1-mLGqqqc It ran fine in star configuration but in delta it wouldn't get up to speed. Insufficient isolation, I would not use that motor with a vfd. Get something a little newer.

[@SixtyTen10]

I got my hands on one of these machines about 3 years ago in New Zealand. Couldnt find much info on it. Mine looked in pretty rough shape but was actually very good once I stripped all the rusty grease that the machine was covered in. I completely disassembled the machine and repainted it. I replaced the 3 phase motor with a single phase and struggled with lack or torque and a wavy pattern in the finish until I realized that I was seeing the effects of single phase AC in the cut. I bought a vfd, reinstalled the original motor (after a refurbishment similar to yours) and had no more problems. Im currently making tool holders and a solid clapper box replacement for internal work, similar to what Stefan had. I have been mostly using the machine for squaring up nasty hot rolled steel to then finish on my surface grinder. It saves destroying expensive end mills on hot rolled steel. My main plan for it however is for doing internal bore work. These are great machines and nicely built.

[@arturoheras3707]

Land Rover!!! Land Rover!!!!

[@DarraghRogan]

You showed incredible restraint by not making a knob joke until 14 minutes in - bravo!

[@lodgecav490]

Great video as always. Prepare yourself for endless questions like Whats the point of it? Why not get a Mill? etc etc and then there is the classic 'You can make anything with a shaper...except money blah blah blah. Great little machine, enjoy!

[@GeoffreyCroker]

Hahaha, yeah I'm getting that.

[@mrgreenswelding2853]

Try Abom79 he can help you.

[@chrisperry7963]

Great (I should say pro!) video, as always, Geoffrey. A fun introduction to an interesting machine.

[@sugirosie]

Geoffrey, Is the 'clapper box' :-) mechanism working? Hard to see on the vid - but the high speed tool bit should lift up and drag on the work piece on the back-stroke. The 'clap noise' is when the tool drops back into place at beginning of the forward stroke. If it doesn't then the bit might break and blunt.

[@GeoffreyCroker]

Yeah, it works fine. I think the cut just isn't deep enough for it to visibly move.

[@jbkltc4469]

christmas came early...

[@brukernavnfettsjit]

That is the same motor I have in my myford ml7. Never could figure out the diagram either. I tired to add a reverse switch, but I reached the limits of my patience:p

[@GeoffreyCroker]

Yeah, it's a trick!

[@BettySwollocks13]

We use IPS when balancing propellers- inch per second. The lower the ips the less vibration

[@davidtaylor6124]

I don't understand the obsession with shapers, but yours is the first shaper related video I've been able to watch to the end. I nearly said it was boring at the end, but that's a different machine. Was interesting watching you balance the motor, I'd never think to do that!

[@machiningbasics1729]

Learnt how too use a shaper on that exact type of machine. Denford verceroy was attached too the boxford company. (Founded by Horace denford) makes up most of the machines in British schools.

[@GeoffreyCroker]

I suspect this one came out of a school too.

[@PaulMcGuinness]

Love the smell of a Geoffrey video in the morning. It makes me feel like cutting fluid.

[@jrand2631]

That's a nice little shaper you got there...

[@karlkemble9098]

Nice little shaper. Around 16:45 I noticed you are advancing the table on the cutting stroke. You don't have to bathe your parts in cutting oil. Too messy! Just brush on a film. Try kerosene(Do you call that paraffin?) or even mineral spirits(doesn't smell as bad) on ALUMINUM. Don't set your machine on fire! Brush it on very conservatively! Slickest finish IF you've ground your bit properly. + Don't BURN your shop down!

[@darthvader5300]

A shaper is cheaper, dependable, reliable, and easy to mass produce and IT IS ONE OF THE FEW MACHINE TOOLS USED TO DIRECTLY AND INDIRECTLY MAKE MACHINE TOOLS, ONCE YOU HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE AND SKILLS AND EXPERIENCE TO DO IT RIGHT.

[@superdansilverman]

I see lots of comments from newcomers saying they want more land rover content. I wouldn't blame you for listening to them; ad revenue is no joke. But I'm here for the machine tools and have been since the beginning. Also, very nice work with the motor balancing trick. I've just gone around my house gluing little weights to every rotating device I could find. Now that everything is balanced, the feng shui of the place is much better.

[@GeoffreyCroker]

Don't worry Douche. I got you covered. All these land rover noobs. pffffffffft.

[@superdansilverman]

💜💜💜

[@evansisgreat]

6.45 Does it say 'By AAA coffee' on the back of your hand? Is this the sponsorship you promised them? Lol

[@GeoffreyCroker]

It's my new start up. I grind up AAA batteries into coffee for a real kick.

[@evansisgreat]

@@GeoffreyCroker I've drank worse, at least it sounds like it has a kick.

[@jamesmcgee7723]

Where do you get the 9v triple As? They might come in handy.

[@Romazetti]

10 abom out of 10

[@haroldpearson6025]

I have an Eliot M10 power shaper in my home workshop but no milling machine. I have constructed 6 passenger hauling steam locomotives up to 7.25 gauge. The only milling needed I carried out on the vertical slide on my Colchester Chipmaster lathe. There is the misconception that the shaper is not accurate which is not true. The shaper is as accurate as any other quality machine tool. My Eliot is a small professional tool room shaper and better than bench top hobby milling machines. One major advantage of the shaper is it uses single point tools so far less expensive than the mill The Eliot will take a 2.5/3mm cut on mild steel and produces flatter surfaces than an end mill. Milling machines are only faster when they are bigger and more powerful. Which is why the took over in industry though the the much bigger planer is still used. I am talking hobbiest use here and not trying to compare with latest production or CNC technology.

[@paulwomack5866]

"The German" AKA Stefan Gotteswinter also uses a shaper for its accuracy.

[@CSkwirl]

Congratulations on the Michelin 3 Pro rati.....oh, no sorry you lose

[@GeoffreyCroker]

I think most people will bail before the ending and just think I'm a self praising dick! Haha

[@rolandocrisostomo2003]

Great video!!. The vfd that you are using is not putting out 3ph. Its running the 3ph motor as a DC motor. Thats why you can change the rpm on a vfd.

[@BurtonsAttic]

Nice edit and shaper Geoffrey! That's the perfect home shop sized machine. I was waiting for the smoke to get let out on the motor first run. Those pricks at Hoover!

[@kelvinbrown8136]

Awesome!! Always a treat seeing one of your videos!! Love your editing!!!

[@BajaBill7]

Made just down the road from me, greetings from Leeds!

[@GeoffreyCroker]

Hi BajaBill from Leeds

[@samrodian919]

If you call Leeds to Brighouse just down't road lol

[@BajaBill7]

@@samrodian919 what is it, 10 miles? Hardly the end of the earth. To someone in NZ, that's practically next door!

[@ruaraidhmcdonald-walker9524]

Victor the Viceroy! Made in Scotland motor; Of course it runs!! When's the resto coming?

[@willford8475]

I see the motor was made in Scotland, don't forget to top it up every week with Irn-Bru. kzbin.info/www/bejne/n5PYfZqpi8iEi7s

[@samkirk3662]

Again great video, but I don't see the point of the tool. Ok. I've put my hand up, I don't understand.

[@johnpysk]

We need videos!

[@jameshanoomansing1442]

excellent as usual

[@Grahammon]

Great as always, thanks Geoffrey, I was watching the drill press series again and the shaper video popped up.

[@samuelkatherinediozarago7692]

You need to heat and dip into water before Bending with Aluminium else it will crack.

[@dannypeto8734]

i wish i could find one of thoughs thats about the right size the big 2 ton Cincinnati machines are great but to hard to move around.

[@richardpriest3675]

classic peice of kit and denford are a customer of mine ...still going after all this time...

[@georgeharrod7805]

"This isn't a restoration project" and I blurt out, "YET!" and a nanosecond later Geoffrey said the same...I can't be the only one. :-)

[@CraigLYoung]

Dyler Turden : Here is a manual thumbs up because this Galaxy won't let me give you a normal one.

[@jamesmcgee7723]

I had the same experience at 6:37 with "delta". Does that make me a pro?

[@georgeharrod7805]

I have it from a reliable source, THAT, is what the pros say.

[@moiwilliams170]

cmon man wheres the content, its driving me nuts😂🙃

[@stevo450ify]

Did you melt down the rover to cast this piece??? Sidetracked haha 😅😅🙈

[@GeoffreyCroker]

This has been sitting in the corner for about a year. I decided it needed to work. So yeah, a little side tracked but I was sick of it being a useless pile of blue scrap metal.

[@pgs8597]

stevo450ify I hope not it’d break down.

[@NomolosUK]

If only it was Land Rover green :P

[@PiefacePete46]

What happened to the Viceroy Geoffrey, was it a "Keeper"?

[@wetdedstuocm]

I liked the intro. and the shaper is in good condition, the motor leaves me wanting it should not have to be balanced, however that worked.. Peace

[@samrodian919]

Yes but it was made by Hoover after all lol

[@TheGbab]

England and all things electric are like fish riding bicycles.

[@montyzumazoom1337]

Good old machines, now superseded. However, a good engineer could remove a lot of metal on one of these, chips flying everywhere. I last used one as an apprentice in my college days (1976-1980!). They were pretty much out of date then as I have never seen one in use, or even idle, in any of the machine shops I've worked in. God help you if the college lecturer saw you riding on top of one :)

[@montyzumazoom1337]

That is the smallest shaper I have ever seen though....

[@GeoffreyCroker]

Thanks Monty. There's a whole range of painfully tine shapers below this. I think Craftsman (the american brand) made a popular six inch shaper... which just sounds painful.

[@steelrhino9249]

You should add fortnite to the title to get more views since it's a victory Royale

[@GeoffreyCroker]

Hahaha. Nah, I'm more of a pub-g kinda guy

[@Dragehest]

pls put that sorry looking VFD in a cabinet, i dont want you to get any chips or shavings into the VFD and short a cap. Great video as always, my wife asked if i was enjoying myself since i was smiling for 17 minutes straight,

[@GeoffreyCroker]

I live life on the edge 😎. Eventually it'll go inside with remote switches where the original switch plate was.

[@squelchedotter]

I saw the thumbnail of this video and subscribed without even watching a video

[@cissa95]

WeNeedMoreFarads you should check out the drill press restoration, if you are into that kinda stuff

[@eloyworkshop541]

Very good!!!!

[@pearcemachineshop5200]

👍👍

[@blackbird8632]

Good thing for practicing with the electric motor since the Land Rover will have to be electric too since by the time it will be finished the petrol will be gone. ;), just a bit of fun ofcourse, love the vids!

[@GeoffreyCroker]

Hmmm.... plenty of room between the chassis for a few Tesla batteries...

[@pgs8597]

G’day Geoffrey, looks like the garage got a new toy for Christmas, it’s starting to shape up. Love the working motion of a Shaper. Cheers Peter

[@beedalbahgraham2981]

Yep, another noice vid. 😄

[@Qardo]

2:36 The death of all who were wearing headphones.

[@ericcorse]

Sweet little shaper it look to be well cared for.

[@GeoffreyCroker]

I think it's hardly been used. the fact that it's badged metric means it was sold after shapers were already pretty much redundant.

[@joshonthetube]

Regarding the mobile base- I recently got a small shaper and i've set it up on footmaster mounts (FOOTMASTER GD-60S-BLK-1/2 on amazon). They're sort of rolling casters that also double as leveling feet. It makes it easy to move the machine occasionally, but not as easy as the mobile base you used.. once you adjust them so it's sitting on the leveling feet, it seems like it should be very stable. I haven't run the shaper yet since i mounted it on them, but I think it will be fine- they seem quite solid, even under the weight of the machine (which i think may be heavier than yours, despite being smaller- it's all cast iron)

[@bobuk5722]

Hi Geoffrey. Lovely humour! I've always fancied a shaper, nice to see one being brought back to life. I don't think the 'wobbly' transport matters too much - what you don't wsnt is wobbles between the tool and the work. Subscribed. BobUK.

[@Stelios.Posantzis]

7:09 : Huh? What's that base??? I want one! I've been after a base like this for ages. 8:54: I'm in complete disbelief. So simple yet effective!

[@zawzawaung6789]

Your videos are a great help to all of us out in the jungle trying to sort out collections of machines of varying vintages from Japan, China, and still UK. Thanks from North Burma.

[@GeoffreyCroker]

Aye.. awesome. I spent a few weeks in Myanmar about ten years ago. Friendliest people on the planet 👍👍

[@andrewfraser4347]

U Zaw, glad you’ve got the internet, I didn’t when I worked there. Yes, awesome people Geoffrey.

[@user-ks5ff]

Why are you collecting machines from Japan and China?

[@zawzawaung6789]

@@user-ks5ff We have to work with what we can get, in terms of what can be imported as used stuff. Little Japanese stuff comes in as new, and most of the Chinese stuff is from companies you never heard of. Our most reliable piece of gear is an old Lister 1 cylinder diesel running a new Chinese 10kw dynamo.

[@zawzawaung6789]

@@andrewfraser4347 We put the backbone of the net in ourselves, working with the tower companies, MPT, Telenor, Ooredoo. 25mbps in Putao, Kachin State! Took 2 years of backbreaking work.

[@robertsnephew870]

Not quite enough gripper on the zipper😜.. hopefully this vid buys you some Rover parts. Cheers, Merry Christmas,ed.

[@JTLowry]

@1:10 that's gonna get a content flag, 😝

[@aussierestos9105]

Love your vids and humour mate! Good to see something decent from across the ditch 😆 Came across you with your rust removal in different solutions video, basically Watched every video of yours now! Keep it up, it’s excellent viewing!

[@juanrivero8]

A lovely shaper. Be sure you lube it! It may or not have auto lube. That vise is much too small for real work. And thank you very much for posting this close to Christmas. Very merry Christmas!

[@nitramretep]

Love these videos! Thanks.

[@mul010]

Thanks, great one. Again.

[@johnmcmunn3827]

Hoover motor !! That sucks :) ... cheers john

[@GeoffreyCroker]

Haha!

[@adrianll8289]

I too own some British iron (old mini cooper), and I know that you are probably depressed this far into the restoration... but please upload something new ;)

[@codinbatter]

The motor needs connecting in delta not star as the inverter produces 3 phase at whatever single phase voltage you have in New Zealand, oh you've just done that. I'll wait in future.

[@jameslezak7882]

What a nice size shaper. I can imagine all sorts of uses for a machine that size. Sure would compliment my lathe and mill! Great video! Thanks!

[@gavinsteven2157]

Hoover, Cambuslang. Town of my birth. Merry Christmas to you and your family

[@edgeeffect]

I'd love a go on a shaper... We had one at school but I never used it... I've only got back in machining since the milling machine was crowned king.

[@sid1977]

Cool update! Pretty neat mini shaper. How much does it weigh?

[@GeoffreyCroker]

200kg..? I have no idea, but I can't lift it.

[@daviemaclean61]

Had to use one of those at engineering college in the early 80s. It was the one machine I disliked using. It will still be interesting watching you do an autopsy on it though! ;-)

[@davidkerr4023]

Your a clever bugger Geoff, love your videos mate.keep them coming.

[@JoaoManFerCardoso]

Pro indeed! Glad to know you're doing well. Merry Christmas Geoffrey!

[@WilliamEllison]

I fell asleep watching your video last night and I sincerely apologize. I will re-watch it again today.

[@fredschaves]

Saw you had a new video and thought "ok, I shall leave this one for last after I see all the other subscription videos". Fast forward 3 seconds and here I am.