Vicki Robin “Money and Life’s Energy” | The Great Simplification #21

[@boombot934]

Thank❤🌹🙏 you, Vicky Robin and Nate👍! We need COOPERATION and not COMPETITION😢😢😢

[@pascalxus]

I wish there was a million thumbs up button for this post! pricing your time and figuring out what you're giving up with all your spending, is key.

[@judithscheepsma2073]

I bought "Your Money or Your Life" and it changed my life and I became FI then and now. I just discovered "Blessing the Hands that Feed Us" and with the internet I am having a wonderful time learning again. I love Vicki she's my kind of people.

[@jjuniper274]

I love this lady!

[@anewagora]

As soon as she said "don't throw money at it, throw competencies", I realized she is discovering that Self-determination is TRUE WEALTH. That's profound. I've only encountered a few examples where people recognize this at all. Simply put, people under the religion of materialism falsely treat it as wealth, rather than expensive poverty. And this keeps them blind to poverty. They look at it and attach those traits to wealth automatically. Having a car, a house, a college degree are all seen as wealth, no matter how much they damage people's real empowerment, their hero's journey or connection to real community. All of these things are unbelievably complex and expensive to upkeep. And do people with these things have close relationships, wisdom and advanced skills, and real autonomy over their lives? Or are they trapped in a hellscape of isolated, chaotic suburbs, working a pointless alienating job to maintain it all?

[@OpenToInfo]

I deduce New Agora is the “like” of my comment re the Q&A podcast … which led me to this one. Read her & Joe’s book in the early 90s. What was missed (blindspot) then, remains. This Great Simplification framing does as well: ‘wealth’ - & freedom - is the right to be responsible. The layers of the onion that this reveals renders our lexicon impertinent. Example: localism is ALSO an concept that includes a blindspot./? Alternate/complimentary framing: the gendered dif’rent brilliance of Nate and Vicki cannot share a common language, only complimentary action./? Also, the debt of the ‘superorganism’ - it’s life blood - is structured interdependence: a socio-psychological good systematized to be a globalized psychosociopathy. It’s a greed and need thing … & a socially defined horizon line for - and because of motivated reasoning - FEELING what the need is (300 ppm CO2/350 ppm CO2e - and both, ~50 years ago. If one considers death a constant in life, to fear death is a lot of social energy poorly invested./? =)

[@jennysteves]

Beautiful episode. So glad to have listened. Thank you!

[@YinzerYan]

man this was awesome! thank you. ❤

[@Rosemountainfarm]

Here in NC, struggling to keep my farm from forclosure. While continuing to farm in rural area where the poor people are bc they deserve good food too! Suggestions welcome!

[@enorivers]

Saddened to hear that. What part of NC?

[@Rosemountainfarm]

@@enorivers Northwest Ashe county

[@jayhardy6610]

Same thing here in Iowa-- starting a community farm planting nuts trees and hazelnuts, potatoes, squash added to our apple orchard

[@luciano1142]

Learning a lot here as usual. Capitalism's incentive to push for divorce / separation to sell double the stuff, the obvious future of local food sourcing due to the current hydrocarbon powered trade system shrinking. Can confirm read Siddhartha in high school, 2000 mid-Missouri.

[@SitWithItBob]

This episode was great, and I think I have come to a lot of the same conclusions as Vicki. I think I have come to the conclusion that dysfunction in the US is going to hamper any attempts at building a community that will be resilient to what's coming the coming in the next 10-20 years. But I agree with Vicki, building a local community and discussing these issues is probably the best you can do. My area should be capable of being self reliant but I don't think it will play out that way. We will sell our own survival for some more greenbacks even as the overall USA ship breaks apart and we are forced to confront the reality of local self reliance. People aren't even close to realizing how fragile modern society is and instead of confronting this reality we just allow every new "unprecedented" event to take the lives of more and more people. Resource protectionism is just going to lead to further wealth disparities, and wealthy areas will spend their financial wealth creating even more physical protections and barriers to the outside world. More communities will fall into poverty as wealthy areas create more and more environmentally disastrous ways of protecting their way of life. People want to protect their creature comforts and will absolutely destroy others and the environment to do so. If I had wealth now, I would be looking at building an off-grid community to try to survive the coming problems.

[@TennesseeJed]

Love Nate news!

[@peterz53]

I also am sensitive to how to ethically invest my modest savings so that my savings don't shrink. But also, in parallel, where to live to that offers stability etc. at a lower cost than is typical of the US. All while doing my part for the natural world.

[@thegreatsimplification]

that is the 10 million species question, isn't it? (or one of them)

[@emilymiller1792]

I read Siddhartha and Thoreau at my HS in Iowa pre-NCLB.

[@Rosemountainfarm]

Who will write the book for the "lower 20%" ?

[@tribebuddha]

Rather, who will make the audio book version so that literacy is not a barrier? Somebody should get to that if not already done. Her message can be life saving.

[@packardsonic]

IMPORTANT. The solution is simple, all you have to do is foster altruism, seriously. Advocate altruism, organize free collaboration networks that meet people's needs and teach others to do the same. Don't underestimate the simple. Please help spread this message, it often gets erased from the comments.

[@forknowledge6959]

The comments about social safety system is huge! As family and friends around me die the hospital systems are failing, the social systems are failing and we are on our own in the end.

[@bryandovbergman5654]

My understanding is you believe a Great Depression is coming this decade.. only this time it's permanent because neither the energy, nor the finance, nor industrial inputs exist anymore to keep maintain current levels of global affluence. That's very similar to what Peter Zeihan is saying. But Vicki's concept of the simply life, play in your garden, build a motorcycle with tools laying around. That's very similar to what the American Mania author said. Like PMCs think the simple is like Adam Smith's Scottish bater village in 1750, which Greaber provided with anthropological evidence never existed. Stupid American here moved to Israel post 2008. In Israel today the only way to get a house with a yard, a shed full of tools and a garden, is to inherit it or be a millionaire. Most of the world these days has globalized and moved into condos. I just find it really hard to believe everyone is just going to go to home Depot put up some chicken wire and live off the fat of the land. There's gonna be a whole lot of Lennys in this PMC fantasy of post globalization

[@johnbanach3875]

Going on Oprah. That changed the world...for five minutes!

[@pascalxus]

@nate. there's something I don't understand. you've been suggesting there will come a time when we need to rely on our neighbors and social community but this seems to contradict how absolutely everything works. Perhaps if you could dedicate a video to this topic.

[@forknowledge6959]

Lol I've been in the 4th quadrant for most of my life 40 years from a young age. Doomed!

[@jato72]

I can only relate to the guest as it applies to the government taking 30% of my labor to pay other people (taxes). I have had to work more so the government can "redistribute" my labor. Other than that, I don't mind collecting dollars (labor) to spend on things I want or need. (Still listening).

[@jato72]

28:00 I retired early and while I am enjoying my retirement, I don't think it will last the remainder of my natural life. I expect the economy to break with increasing probability as time goes on. When I am forced to, I will go back to work (assuming I am not too old).