Fallout New Vegas: Honest Hearts - "Perfect Ending"

In a game this multifaceted and complex "perfect" is a relative term but this ending should tickle most of your fancies!
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Fallout New Vegas: Honest Hearts - "Perfect Ending"
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[@blizzardrush4983]

the best part of the honest hearts dlc to me was exploring the survivalist's caves. dude was a complete badass.

[@tynoguchi7450]

It either made me astonished of his abilities and make me cry like a bitch at his entire story

[@SladeForelly]

one of best characters/history of FO series. When i found his body i drinked some of his scoth in his honor.

[@Transgender-ProphetMohammed]

oh the part with michael was....*sniff*...

[@accelerator8558]

i feel so sorry for him, wish he have a better life, to by happy but well stuff happen

[@yosefyonin6824]

AYE, too bad its such a pain in the butt to find all the caves, and an ever bigger pain to find last audio log, which without the wiki, i would have never found. that was indeed an amazing story

[@jaykdos9521]

"The legend of the Burned Man had diminished. A small price to pay for the peace it brought Joshua Graham." I... there are no words...

[@SAOrules]

I loved this ending. It’s a beautiful ending for Joshua Graham

[@kingnamor7777]

The perfect ending for a man searching for redemption.

[@rogueneet3538]

Then Daniel's slide plays

[@yapyapthedestroyer2562]

Honestly the best ending for him. despite all he had done for Caesar’s legion, and many deaths he called, with this, he finally finds peace he rightfully deserved

[@TheLastBabyMan]

"He was never seen again." Mauled by Deathclaws, got it.

[@jonathansancha969]

"It was then found that Follows-Chalk was rectally impaled by a Deathclaw upon wandering into the Boneyard. Witnesses say that he was merely bending down to catch water in his mouth when the beast fisted him to the point where it's claws bulged from his stomach."

[@grimreaper3882]

I mean they think that those little mutated bears of theirs (forgot the name of those fuckers) are the worst thing that you could find. Oh, only if they knew. Also, fuck no. The only way I would want him as a companion is if you could actually answer and explain stuff to him. That would be awesome. If I would have to hear one more bloody time "so this compass always knows where North is eh? Even when it can't see the stars?" one more time I would shove a mininuke down his throat and catapult him back to his cave with the launcher.

[@MrJedroi258]

You know, Marcus ending in Fallout 2 was the same, You never heard about him again.

[@MrJedroi258]

ikr

[@bongwaterbaptist]

You, The Chosen One.

[@spit782]

*You take a sip from your trusty Vault 13 canteen*

[@jeremy7157]

Yup, Fallout New Vegas was a great game. *sip*

[@kurtlangberg6143]

What the hell did that ever do for the Courier? Why is it even there?

[@Youhoooop9242]

It just serves as a passive healing item I guess

[@olliered9924]

@@Youhoooop9242 yh and in hardcore mode it lowers dehydration by 25

[@idipped2521]

@@kurtlangberg6143 It heals and is useful when playing hardcore mode

[@Flight_of_Icarus]

Geez, no matter what ending you pick, Daniel gets the shaft.

[@gabrielsantana6161]

Daniel is a dumbass :v

[@SAOrules]

People like Daniel are sheep. Joshua is the sheepdog, and the White Legs are wolves. The moral of the story as I take it, is that never placate a bully. Be good to everyone, but if you are wronged, strike back with righteous anger.

[@themandalore7780]

SAOrules forgive the man who strikes you, but remember the bastards name in case it happens again.

[@vincegalila7211]

@@SAOrules I disagree.

[@esteban20969564]

@@SAOrules that´s basically what "the spirit" try to teach to the kids of the sorrows when he help them. be good to each other, but if someone mess up with you or your family, defend yourself from them.

[@manlypowers9967]

Gotta love that Sneering Imperialist dialogue option, though.

[@Rheinwald]

Manly Powers That's FNV for ya

[@jessethane6910]

"Whatever. Joshua, put a cap in general Gobbledigook here."

[@doodledee3348]

I love how that final speech check doesn't make Joshua go "Damn son you right." He has to convince himself that mercy is better than vengeance.

[@sterlingwirth7931]

It’s more like he has a watershed moment. He believed his anger was righteous, but he realized it was only simple rage.

[@TheAwesomeDarkNinja]

The cherry on top is it doesn't say the speech check even worked until Joshua has convinced himself.

[@Marksman_12]

That was a great addition.

[@concept5631]

It took him hearing his own words that made him realize how far away from God he was. ​@@sterlingwirth7931

[@B463L]

Joshua Graham is one of the best-written characters in video game history imo because he's a little over halfway done with his redemption arc, but he's still not quite there yet. Sparing Salt-upon-Wounds is a massive healing moment for him. There's a lot of impact in seeing someone try and sometimes fail to be better, only to finally hit a breakthrough and reach a new level of health.

[@manoflowmoralvalue1560]

the ending slide shows truly show how well written new vegas is

[@raimethefumeknight2062]

Man of Low Moral Value Then why not FO3's or 4's? It's the same thing

[@accelerator8558]

because fallout 3 have only 1 ending, and Fallout 4 is Call of duty post nuclear sims Minecraft edition

[@raimethefumeknight2062]

Accelerator 2 actually for both, but what i was refferring to are the ending slides themselves not how much is in each game

[@fiddlove]

Raime The Fume Knight He's talking about how deeply the ending slides of New Vegas go. Every major character, companion, and major faction has a slide or two dedicated to it. In Fallout 3, the ending is basically the same thing with a few variations depending on Karma and your choice at the Purifier, with three possible slides for miscellaneous quests that you did. (I haven't played Fallout 4 yet so I will reserve my judgement for now)

[@Zen-rw2fz]

@@accelerator8558 4 is also cod just without the mincrafting, I had a very similar experience with both and quit the games because of the terrible quest design that made me cringe

[@VendibleUser]

New Vegas's DLC seems to be very diverse and sheds light onto ideas that not many people could have thought about, like being forced to work for a Brotherhood of Steel member to try and take back an abandoned casino surrounded by toxic cloud, or obtaining weapons for wisecrack floating robot brains so that an "evil" scientist doesn't get his hands on them. Between Fallout 3 and New Vegas I would say New Vegas takes the cake for originality, personality, and storytelling in its DLC.

[@ashivolpe6796]

+VendibleUser i agree, by itself i would say its debatable. but the dlcs really finished a large portion of gaps that one felt in the main story arc. the lore was complex and as you said unique.

[@kanival42]

New Vegas made all DLC connect to each other and the base game in a good way. Full of good lore too, great DLC's. OWB was the best imo.

[@perhaps9460]

+kanival42 its a tie between owb and lonesome road. the worst is definitely dead money imo

[@craigalton5669]

i thought dead money was cool but only because i got out with all the gold bars

[@Will-ln1il]

dead money was an absolute pain for me to complete. Dont get me started on the fucking bomb collars.

[@ProfessionalSpectre]

And then Lee decided to stop narrating another game and go back to being himself in The Walking Dead.

[@hl8808]

Joshua talking to salt is like something out of a movie, incredible writing for a video game.

[@hl8808]

Albert Cole it would make one of the best movies.

[@askended6726]

Imagine he talking about salt while cocking some food for his unit

[@Zen-rw2fz]

@@askended6726 "cocking some food" I'd by lying if I said I am not atleast a little aroused

[@AlbertColeUnleashed]

@@hl8808 You seem to have replied to me 2 years ago but I can't find the comment. Weird.

[@retrofuturepi]

True

[@kalvinadams244]

That sneering imperialist option always makes me laugh.

[@Mwraf]

I’m saving that XD

[@williambeavers9046]

Hank Hill: Now listen to me mister, I work for a living and I mean real work, not writing gobbledygook. I sell pro PAIN and pro PAIN accessories.

[@durakeno5575]

Wtf I didn't know those things gave new dialogue options.

[@met4lg4rurumon80]

I have a barter skill of 10, and when asking Daniel for medical supplies I was greeted with quite possibly the best line in the game, "but I have... caps. Many of them. Let me show you all of my fine caps."

[@BeaverChainsaw]

Sneering imperialist reminds me of uncle ruckus from the boondocks!

[@matthewlayford1736]

Daniel "If you kill your enemies, they win."

[@mementomori1360]

Matthew Layford LMAO

[@Hexic920]

Matthew Layford He's basically a less badass post-apocalyptic Batman

[@Donbd83]

Daniel is naive, let the white legs live and they will likely become a thorn in someone else's side. They are warlike, hostile and savage these people aren't going to go around and start helping people, if anything they will leave rebuild their numbers and return in force. Daniel thinks leaving the valley will solve the issue but the Whitelegs have proven that they will pursue them anywhere they go, he is by definition a fool.

[@thisisntmedicine4004]

@@Donbd83 uuhh harsh.....0-0

[@Todarain]

@@Donbd83 Actually, if you do that ending, the White legs dissolve because they're not accepted into the Legion.

[@metalmat3651]

Frankly Daniel did not get with the program, they would have been killed off without Graham. He had good intentions but were just not gonna fly in the current situation. Graham's character is one of the best in fallout history. I really wish they would have gone into more detail into his character in the DLC through interactions. He was a rather evil person before being tossed into the pit. After a second baptism he seemed to be seeking forgiveness while preserving his tribe. He means well through spirituality but his old sins continued to creep up. Teaching him mercy should have been a much more powerful scene than what it ended up being.

[@silverdirtgamer3390]

MetalmaT yyyyyy

[@ma1ist]

Graham's character kinda rubbed me the wrong way bc I was annoyed by the fact he had the audacity to spew morale dogma at me after doing what he had done. But I mean, it's possible to reconcile the fact that he does know what hes talking about specifically because he was such a brute. Also, I like his VA. and that fooking sick ass pistol cleaning animation of his.

[@awizard8809]

I finished Honest Hearts with Daniel's option to flee Zion, and while he is initially happy, he continues to say, "he would wake up some night, teary eyed, remembering Zion." Either wash your hands in blood, or dry your face of tears. I always go with Joshua.

[@cgijokerman5787]

@@awizard8809 true but at the same time, Daniel brings up a good point when talking about Waking Clouds dead husband, something along the lines of these being the last pure people, born withouth knowledge of what the corrupt world used to be like. Not knowing war. Why sully that? Why force them to change? If you have a choice (and according to the end slides, there ARE choices), working together to protect is seemingly and arguably better than working together to demolish, as the end slides talk about how their spirituality sinks and how daniel becomes obselete. The tribes being militarized, which by the way, being militarized means that you're always prepared for war. The tribes quarrel with one another, and without daniel to help dissuade... The dead horses will one day kill the sorrows. Because when joshua dies, his military prowess lives on in the tribe.

[@Unragedfire76]

Hence the title honest hearts

[@darkwraith100]

What I truly love about this dlc is there is no truly perfect good ending. No matter what their will be something that doesnt turn out right.

[@Sonichero151]

Warden Wing Though Escaping Zion has a Lot of good endings and even the ones that are taken with a grain of salt, they still show the generosity and kindness of others. the Endings kinda reflect the two religions that each new caravan shows. Joshua is Christianity which....for the good it has done there's just as much bad and a Christian's Wrath is a Nasty thing to unleash. And Daniel who is Mormonism which.....well....has anyone ever heard of Atrocities Against Humanity caused by Mormonism?

[@SKsupport1]

Danny Caracciolo Google "Mountain Meadows Massacre". During a period of paranoia for Mormons right before the civil war, a wagon train of people from arkansas spooked a settlement of mormons and were massacred by the "Nauvoo Legion".

[@SKsupport1]

Danny Caracciolo I agree with you, just felt the need to add an atrocity.

[@Sonichero151]

Api Tuia that's more like an example of human stupidity.

[@SKsupport1]

Danny Caracciolo True, True...

[@RadeonX0X]

I've finished HH twice now and both times I let Joshua execute the leader and didn't stop to think how pointless that would be. I guess Dead Money's lesson of "letting go" should have stayed with me. But at least I knew eradicating the rest of the White Legs would be the best solution. I knew Daniel meant well, but "preserving the innocence" of a tribe in a world filled with warring and greedy factions would just mean the death of the tribe. How was Daniel so blind to the fact that the White Legs would just continue ambushing any caravan coming their way or trying to wipe out any opposing tribe they come across. I really liked Joshua in this.

[@KalibreSteelblast]

+Ich Bin In a world like Fallout's, justice must be tempered with mercy- but mercy by itself is naivety and dangerous. I hated Daniel's outlook on trying to avoid conflict for the same reason you did- he was willing to help shelter the tribes, but not teach them to protect themselves. He was the opposite of Randall Dean Clark, the Father in the Cave to the Sorrows. Randall protected people as best he could at his own expense, suffering greatly for his kindness but never shying from conflict if it meant protecting others- selflessness in one of it's truest forms. He left behind weapons manuals to give them the means to defend themselves, medical supplies and other things that could help them- and yes, words of comfort, but with substance and emphasis on kindness. Daniel, on the other hand, offered medical care and words of comfort, but his words were meant to shelter others from realities, treating the tribes condescendingly as children instead of a growing culture that needed guidance, not coddling. What did the fate of other tribes and the lands they lived in matter to Daniel if it meant babying the tribes to the point of lying about the pain of reality? When Randall died, he left a lasting impression that gave them the chance to protect themselves- and when Daniel is gone, what then? He would have left behind a child-culture begging for salvation instead of actively working for it. Joshua wasn't perfect, but his heart was in the right place and he was at least pragmatic.

[@RadeonX0X]

KalibreSteelblast You'll also notice Daniel had a weapon on his back, which would indicate he was willing to kill to defend himself/The Sorrows. Why didn't he extend this sort of mindset to the entire tribe I dunno. A little hypocritical maybe.

[@RadeonX0X]

Congratulations :> For me, stealing all the gold bars just ruins the whole point of the DLC. After Dead Money, money essentially becomes a non-issue because of the complementary vouchers that are generated in the dropbox, which means you virtually never have to buy stimpacks, radaways, radx-s and you never to spend it on repairing weapons because of the weapon repair kits. If anything, you can find top tier weapons in low condition, spruce them up with repair kits and sell them for a ton of caps.

[@vincegalila7211]

@@RadeonX0X Joshua also respects his talents with a gun I guess he thought that if it came to it he could fight while the Sparrows escaped.

[@thevalorousdong7675]

I didn't let go, i hauled ass with every bit of gold lol

[@fizzledimglow3523]

One of those rare times Mormons are shown in a game that doesn't play 'em for laughs or degrades us to the trope of a meandering cult. I was kinda amused when Ringo mentioned the 'Mormons' he had plans to trade with, then when I dove into Honest Hearts I completely dug the New Canaanites, especially considering they were flawed. Joshua Graham embodies evening about repentance and Daniel embodies service. both have their flaws, too! Josh is vindictive, Daniel has the unrealistic dream of preserving the Sorrows and spare them from the awful ways of the Wasteland. also even in the new world Zion is gorgeous and full of life. love it!

[@trigger5258]

Ikr, while not a member myself, I do have friends who are members it's either MORMONS CULT MORMONS BAD MORMONS HIPOCRYTICAL Or Mormons funny cause weird. Or MORMONS MORE THAN ONE WIFE HAHA FUNNY JOKE

[@timvanroey6641]

I think this is the first time in media (tv and games) where mormons are not made fun of or made in satire. Sad, really. But mormons got a kick-off of a character with yoshua 😄

[@I_am_always_correct]

It's great

[@jazzcappy]

As a Mormon it gets annoying seeing all the extremist hate we get and bs accusations being used as an excuse for hate mongering so when i first saw this DLC i thought it was pretty kind of Obsidian not to stereotype

[@joshjohnson3347]

What gave you the idea Joshua Graham was Mormon? Never once does he mention Joseph Smith or quote the Book of Mormons.

[@tylerjaynes822]

Fuckin, Daniel is never happy.

[@user-iz3ns6vb2c]

+Screeching Llama lol

[@OnionChoppingNinja]

+Tyler Jaynes Fuck Daniel! God damn Mormon Trying to twist the minds of the Sorrows, making them believe their "father in the cave" is his god. While in fact it was a man named Randall Clark.

[@user-iz3ns6vb2c]

Does anyone know how follows chalk have this particular ending like should I make him my companion all the time

[@jobba3632]

+Jr B When you learn of her husband's demise from Daniel (she asks you to go ask him, just exhaust her dialogue options), go back to her

[@user-iz3ns6vb2c]

Jean-Baptiste Lardet​ I meant Follows Challk

[@ColonelBragg]

Man i wish fallout 4 was as good at telling a story as new vegas

[@triheadwar1996]

+Emperor Angelos If only they commissioned Obsidian for it's writing team.

[@costco_pizza]

+Ellijah De Leon Most of the staff from Obsidian are from the original Fallout team, that's why NV was so freakin' good in terms of storyline (and as far as I'm concerned one of the best video games ever created). I hope they will be allowed by Bethesda to do an expansion to Fallout 4.

[@snowmystique2308]

+Arun R. I would like to know more of this 80s Tribe in their next game. From what I read, they use motorcycles and can cover ground with only a few men.

[@jackdullboy8723]

+Arun R. YES, a dlc from obsidian for FO4 would be epic.

[@NeutralObjections]

+Emperor Angelos That's just it man. New Vegas is god tier RPG storytelling. Fallout 4 is mediocre at best. Like everyone else has been saying most of the team at Obsidian were ex-Fallout team. So when their world was handed back to them, they crafted something beautiful.

[@roxnroll2006]

general gobbledigook

[@Nershedify]

I miss how the speech dialogues got harder and harder but rewarded you for playing a speech oriented character. I remember my gut clenching as I saw the 90 pop up thinking "Oh, here comes that 100 I've been preparing for". Sadly it didn't come lol. But now in Fallout 4, its just yellow to red speech dialogue that's like "Oh yeah, I guess you pass"

[@dillonanderson1772]

Lmao so its more like fallout 1 and 2? The beloved games? Shit take

[@desko2041]

@@dillonanderson1772New Vegas is the most beloved game though, you can’t go anywhere without people saying it’s the best

[@Strangelove657]

Meanwhile in Fallout 4 ANOTHER SETTLEMENT NEEDS YOUR HELP

[@articusramos808]

And that's why I drag Preston in a Vetribird to all locations. Sorry for the revive

[@myopinionisstupidanddoesnt606]

funny

[@maurice7433]

Lolllll

[@SAOrules]

“Eventually this new spirit would diminish the myth of the burned man in distance lands. A small price, for the peace it brought to Joshua Graham.”

[@HawaiiKnut]

How does the 80s Tribe dress like? Big hear, shoulder pads and bright eyeshadows?

[@martingrey2004]

HawaiiKnut that’s what I was thinking lol

[@dieselface1]

They sing Thriller as they impale you with spears.

[@mulder801]

Lmao that makes me chuckle a bit. But seriously though, i imagine they're like those red man in lonesome road.

[@marcelllakatos3586]

HawaiiKnut I think I heard that they wear road signs as shoulderpads and ride motorcycles

[@idipped2521]

@@marcelllakatos3586 If there was another obsidian fallout game where would you want it to be set in

[@Athena908]

"He gave no mercy to my family, and I will give none to his." But his wouldn't be the first family you haven't given mercy to though, would it, Joshua?

[@concept5631]

That's part of how the Courier convinces Joshua to stand down. He was acting on his own rage rather than God's.

[@th0rrz]

Not super religious myself, but god damn, Joshua still is my favourite character in New Vegas. He has good writing, and is a total badass, and realizes the Legion did terrible things and wants to "atone" for them. Too bad Bethesda can't write this well.

[@dillonanderson1772]

You can remove " not super religious myself " and nothing you said changes. So....why did you add that? 😂😂 just makes you sound like an incel

[@shiawasekappukekiful]

There is and will never be a truly good ending, only endings that are more preferred, depending on who is meeting it

[@denkerbosu3551]

Ave, true to Caesar!

[@awizard8809]

@@denkerbosu3551 *NCR OR DEATH*

[@xxxender537]

shiawasekappukekiful that’s what was good about FNV. Fallout 3 couldn’t do it and Fallout 4 tried to do it but it just didn’t pack a punch like this game did. The fact that there is no good ending, no black and white to anything at all. Everything sucks, the world is cruel but maybe you can make it less cruel. Or make it worse

[@FecalMatador]

XxXender I’m glad I’m not the only one here 6 years after the vid was posted xD.

[@xxxender537]

Al Phuckya fnv is still on my mind even after 6 years what a legendary game

[@Medizy]

I had pretty much the same ending, aside from Follows Chalk, I convinced him to stay with his family, felt that it was the better option overall.

[@Rheinwald]

Alot of people thought Follows-Chalk was annoying so it was kind of a joke for this video to give him the worst ending

[@indycole396]

@@Rheinwald they did? He’s my favorite companion in all of new Vegas, he’s awesome!

[@klein2700]

@@Rheinwald now i feel bad :(

[@bingchillingsimp5811]

@@Rheinwald u mean ppl that are just too autistic and don’t like to hear people talking when they are walking even in a video game? Other wise I don’t find him annoying

[@proletheus8639]

instead of making an "new" Fallout from time to time, just stick with an epic game like New Vegas and modify it with modern graphics, better AI and some dlc by time. This game is just huge and filled with deep and unique dialogues that u can play it over and over again with a different outcome everytime.

[@zefanyalt5944]

Proletheus if only bethesda gave obsidian more time

[@denkerbosu3551]

They are doing that with fucking Skyrim of all games. I mean, I like it, but it's been what? 10 years of reboots and re-launchings?

[@migueeeelet]

This is pretty much what the Yakuza devs do. Since their budget is small, they stick to the same location, and with each release, they build upon the previous stories.

[@cobaltbluestickman5557]

@@denkerbosu3551 And it’s still going

[@Kev95682]

Daniel never gets a happy ending no matter what you do, heh.

[@anderslinden3884]

+BeefyLevinson He gets the "happy ending" massage. He's just not feeling it.

[@gabrielsantana6161]

@@prismanic24 he don't know what he want, is so annoying!

[@juliagoetia]

The price of being a true idealist. Reality is far to crude and bitter for him to ever be satisfied.

[@fanoncharathewolf]

In order to get Daniel’s good ending, you have to agree his suggestion “evacuate the Zion” instead of convince the Sorrow to fight

[@JohnDoe-ni3bt]

@@fanoncharathewolf That's still not a good ending for him though.

[@imitationtube3402]

I'm more of a Vengeance Justice Fire and Blood kinda person, so Salt-Upon Wounds got a chance to defend himself, not that it changed much. *Wish I had gotten the Sneer Imperialist Perk though.*

[@tynoguchi7450]

Nice Dorna Martell quote

[@GenocidalSquid]

I'm planning on snagging that one so I can USE IT. I'm going to ENJOY saying that phrase.

[@ElliFong]

Imagine being so scared of Joshua and you beg his friend to hold him back lol

[@GenocidalSquid]

Fair point. You fear a man who survived death and has a DANGEROUS reputation for being one of the greatest Legates/combatants in the Legion. SO YOU BEG IN FRONT OF THE SAME KIND OF GUY. 1) We survived Death. Many times. 2.) If you go with any other faction except Caesar's Legion, you can spit on Caesar's grave with the death of the White Legs. 3.) You are a person with a reputation for DECIMATING your foes.

[@CollinLod]

White legs are raiders, I gave Salt-Upon Wounds the oportunity to die in battle but they really deserved to die, even more If you don't assume the things you've done. You show no empathy, I show you no mercy, that's my Fallout way.

[@CollinLod]

Collin Lodge So there is no good or bad ending, not in this dlcs or 'many' of them, that's the good thing, they all have their reasons and believes.

[@leonidasvictorscaleholm4825]

-_-

[@fstainsack]

Yes, I too killed Salt-Upon Wounds in battle. It makes no sense to kill nearly all of their soldiers but spare the leader because "it's the right thing to do" this happens a lot in movies, such as Star Wars. Salt-Upon Wounds had to die, especially since he was a Legion empathizer, at least I gave him an honourable end.

[@juliagoetia]

@@fstainsack Killing him is 100% justified, but that's not really what this moment about. This is about Joshua, how he's using his belief as a justification for his own rage and hunger for vengeance. That way lies hell, and he's been there before. This is about getting him to realize that before he completely succumbs to his own darkness. And also to realize the effect his actions are having upon those around him, in this case the Sorrows. How what he chooses to do here will effect what lessons they interpret, and thus how they will continue to develop as a culture. If the Sorrows or Joshua weren't a factor? Oh yeah I'd blast the fuckers balls off with a shotgun and watch him squirm and bleed out. But there's more at stake here.

[@umbra8914]

I did the same in my playtrough (Yeah I only bought this game now lol) I shared the same vision as Joshua and since there was so many reasons to eradicate the white legs tribe, I did so. Daniel was way too kind hearted and hypocritical. The ending I got completely satisfied me : Joshua's revenge or precisely redemption was fulfilled, his legend remained stronger than ever at the point that soldiers in Caesar camps talked about it when I visited them. Daniel left in shame but at least he was not dead or lost in his utopia for decades. I love how the game tried to make you feel bad for your choice but I was perfectly fine with them.

[@benengel4270]

The part with Joshua Graham legit made me misty eyed. An awesome character and a tortured soul who was finally able to find some peace

[@billjenkins802]

It sucks that Daniel really has no "happy" ending. Why couldn't they have refused the Sorrows from fighting? Just you, Joshua, and the Dead Horses against the White Legs while the Sorrows defend their own camp as Randall Clark had told them to. In Randall's final message, he mentions saying that they should strike back at anyone who harms them with righteous fury but not to harm anyone. Not only that but he further backs up the point by saying he had it written to them. If you don't know, Randall Clark is the Sorrows' god and creator known as "The Father." Meh, I'd prefer if Follows-Chalk didn't leave Zion as him never returning could either mean he abandoned his tribe or died, which is bad in my opinion. Yes, I know he was annoying as all hell with his dialogue, but you should have seen Cass originally, says something at every location and says random things very often.

[@KipomoVideos]

Bill Jenkins because it's a lesson that Joshua Graham will never have a happy ending, his family was killed by Caesar just as he had killed countless tribes under Caesar

[@denkerbosu3551]

I know I am (one year) late, but OP was asking for Daniel's ending. Not Joshua's.

[@sergeant_dornan_]

I don't even know why should you give mercy to white legs. They literally made an ambush and attacked you and your convoy right after you found yourself in this DLC. They were attacking you all that time, pain in the ass. And in the end this leader, hardly speaking human language, literally gives you an ORDER to talk to Joshua. I just used my imperialist perk in dialogue. Was satisfied.

[@user-iz3ns6vb2c]

good

[@gronndar]

+Megalodon Its not about White Legs at that point, they were beaten already. Its more about Joshua and Sorrows. Joshua is really starting lose himself when he executes white legs who have surrendered, using God as excuse to murder people. And Sorrows are just children, who pick up Joshua's actions as example. Ofc, if you play as evil Courier, this does not matter.

[@sergeant_dornan_]

***** I made this desicion according to my beliefs.

[@MukuonChannel]

***** Now if only same can be said on how the White Legs erased New Canaan, oh wait it can't. The Burned Man's legend deserves to be feared.

[@gronndar]

***** Um, yeah? First comment was "why spare white leg chief" and I tried to give some reasoning.

[@DeepSpaceDubs]

so, I've read the book of mormon, and seeing as how joshua graham is basically a mormon in this game ive noticed some interesting, fun little things that look to me like the devs did intentionally. The book of mormon is in large part a description of conflicts between 2 nations. Nephites and Lamanites. When I played honest hearts I couldn't help but think about it. regardless if it's true or not, the nations in zion are somewhat similar. The nephites in the book of mormon are said to be lighter skinned than the lamanites, sort of reminding me of the White legs. The sorrows in HH are darker skinned as you can see, and so whats significant about their name, well to LAMENT is to express sorrow, so it's kinda similar there. just some fun trivia i guess, as it could be a coincidence, but seems to me like someone on the dev team had also read the book and figured it would be cool to put aspects in the game cause the book is fuggin nuts with conflict.

[@averinus7706]

Good catch

[@watam8]

The only thing I didn't like about this DLC is that It was pretty tedious. _Joshua Graham_: Go get me this thing, and while you're at it go destroy some bear cave, then get some food to feed our entire tribe...

[@Sinisteredgirl]

| Pirate | this is nothing compared to the slavery that you have to go through in Old World Blues. Honestly, how many times does the player have to go through that damned testing facility?

[@Rheinwald]

I wanted to kill myself while getting the student records in Old World Blues. When I found out all it did was improve myself against nightstalkers (I had already gotten the Animal Friend perk so they don't attack me), I went berserk. Atleast I got the stealth suit and FIDO out of that DLC.

[@reverberation_9]

Fuck that prerecorded message from that prerecorded principal. Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck.

[@kcwlamar]

Man i thought this was bad but then FO4 had to many settlements

[@texdiddyable]

@@Sinisteredgirl Totally true I don’t understand why people like Old World Blues ...

[@ElMarcoHoJ]

Why in your opinion do you think it's better for Follows-Chalk to explore other lands? It sounds great for him to carve out a life and legacy for himself, but I always thought about an inexperienced tribal being taken advantage of and probably killed, especially as he's by himself and as his ending suggests, leaves his only family behind forever.

[@CourierAsy]

Marc Shlyshen He basically does the same as The Chosen One, i see no problem with that.

[@juliagoetia]

@@CourierAsy The Chosen One went back to their Tribe after their Quest was completed.

[@CourierAsy]

@@juliagoetia its mentioned that he kept wandering the wasteland after he helped the tribe get back on its feet, he also became the new Mr Bishop, the leader of that mobster family, and one of the npcs in New Vegas states that Mr Bishop kept wandering till his old age.

[@juliagoetia]

@@CourierAsy Yeah but my point is they went back, he may have wandered out to explore the wastes from time to time, but he didn't become a vagabond. He always came back home. And he doesn't become the new Mr. Bishop, he just has a kid with either the wife or daughter of the original Mr. Bishop before screwing off to somewhere else. Unless there is NPC dialogue you're referring to that I'm not remembering? From what I remember the only person who mentions Mr. Bishop (who is implied to be the Chosen One's son) is that guy in the Hotel at Novac who you can hire to do shows for the Tops. And he doesn't say anything about the Chosen One being Mr. Bishop.

[@CourierAsy]

@@juliagoetia you're right about he not becoming a vagabond, but not all of the tribals are as awesome as we are. Otherwise we would not be THE Chosen One, y'know. And yeah, the Wiki confirms its him, Go to the Chosen One's page and check reference 7, It has a transcript of the dialogue and it says that it is indeed him, in case "he", the PC, is male.

[@nicholsjoshua15]

God, New Vegas was an amazing game. A true post beautiful; sorrowful; hopeful; post apocalyptic western.

[@agustinamagpie]

You got the 'never seen again' ending for Follows-Chalk! That's NOT the best possible ending!!

[@VideoGameSophistry]

Yes...yes it is.

[@Dreamzzly]

+Video Game Sophistry the "So I finally get to explore all those taboo places without the other scouts yelling at me? Can't wait!" line every five seconds makes his disappearance a blessing

[@agustinamagpie]

Andrewseth gillette Point made.

[@jeri11a23]

he may be enslaved

[@rajajonconcon]

no, isnt, the canon ending is helping yoshua escape through the tunnel

[@jakeTHEripper234googleplus]

I enjoyed this dlc. Joshua's story really interested me.

[@warpatato]

Wow, this was the first time I've seen Joshua's dialogue on sparing Salt-Upon-Wounds. He admitted to justifying his own pent up anger and resentment towards Caesar and Salt-Upon-Wounds as a just divine retribution ordained by God. And on its wake, it only left behind violence, death and an unending fuel for the burning hatred and bitterness inside Joshua's heart. He convinced himself that it was God's wrath and anger he's putting a means to but on the contrary God wanted peace, forgiveness and happiness in the hearts of his children more than anything. And sparing Salt-Upon-Wounds was finally the key Joshua needed to unshackle himself from the chains he beared for too long.

[@bigboss9458]

According to you I got the best ending lol! I knew upgrading speech and lock pick first would help!

[@TheEmpiresStrongest]

I had almost the same ending but I had sneering imperialist so I just told Joshua to put a cap in him

[@kcirtapnosllem960]

I chose joshuas side. Great dlc also I told follows chalk to stay instead of leaving

[@willianyano8596]

That last journal of the survivor that you can find in the southwest part out in the wild was soo great . Probably the best thing about this dlc .

[@gobbotits1686]

So I've never played this DLC. All that I know is that some of it takes place in Utah (which is where I currently live.) Would anyone care to explain to me the foundation of this story?

[@ItchyEyesockets]

Well, of course, all of Fallout takes place about 250-300 years in the future, after the Great (nuclear) War between China and the U.S.A. Everything in the DLC takes place in Zion National Park, which being a resident of Utah, I'm very sure you know of. The story's focus is on 2 characters: Joshua Graham, and Daniel. Both of them are Christians (Mormonism is just about the only surviving denomination in the Fallout universe), so the story delves into those themes quite a bit. Joshua Graham is a former legate of Caesar's Legion, and is the one you might have heard was thrown on fire into the Grand Canyon after losing the First Battle of Hoover Dam. He leads a tribe called the Dead Horses, and his story is mostly about choosing between God's wrath, or God's mercy, as the video shows with sparing the chief of the White Leg Tribe. Daniel is a very typical Christian preacher, and most of all wants his tribe, the Sorrows, to stay out of all conflicts. He offers the player a choice between staying and fighting the White Leg Tribe, or evacuating both the Dead Horses and the Sorrows out of Zion. Along with the main questline, there are many side quests involving a few companion characters, along with many people's favorite quest chain about an old survivor from the Great War, Randall Clark. It's an amazing DLC, and I'd say it's tied for the best with Lonesome Road. If you haven't already bought and played it in the last week, and you have the funds for it at the moment, I'd say go for it!

[@nintyfan1991]

The most immersive (sp?) endings for this DLC depending on your factions in the war (since Lonesome Road actually gave you certain points varying on your ending) in my opinion. NCR: Help Joshua defend Zion (since White Legs are allied with the Legion as both Joshua and the NCR want less of the Legion's influence as much as possible and with the White Legs, unlike the Great Khans, always being hostile and having no redeeming qualities to them, I felt this match made sense) House/Independent: Either help Joshua or help Daniel, either way works (You really think House would give a fuck about what would happen in Utah?) Legion: Kill everyone (Finish Caesar's job with Joshua especially)

[@silverferalgaming8548]

It's been so long since I have played this game but I still love this DLC the most out of all of them.

[@lihkan]

I always go to this quest with this outcome in mind, and I always end up choosing sneering Imperialist instead.

[@blakethederg]

You take a sip from your trusty vault 13 canteen

[@meljXD2]

when I first played this dlc I accidentally killed everyone.

[@FalloutboyLetsPlays]

i loved the endings of fo3 and new vegas and most the music at the end Sequenz

[@rippedonyoutube4262]

I just love the fact that Cloud is talking about her husbands death and the Courier was just like 🌊😧

[@libenhagos9335]

I really hope Follows-Chalk shows up in another fallout game, or better yet in a fallout 4 DLC. I'd also like to see Jacob in a Fallout 4 dlc.

[@jackdullboy8723]

+Taco Power Jacob? you mean the paladin that fought Marcus? didn't marcus said he was dead?

[@libenhagos9335]

Nhat Lam NGUYEN I thought he went off to "parts unknown"

[@jackdullboy8723]

Taco Power i don't really know myself. i could be totally wrong. but just that when i first came to jacobstown, marcus said that he had a friend and is probably dead now. don't really know

[@tavianarmstrong974]

He is talking about whoever played through fallout 2. or was it 1? i dont remember...

[@largahilfire8861]

What if at the end of every fallout game when it shows you the slideshow. You are really just traveling in the future and are learning a history lesson on how the new world was formed

[@SladeForelly]

If you somehow make peace between the white legs, sorrows and dead horses, Daniel would still find a way to complain. He is just like my fucking wife

[@worldlycashmoneyenterprises]

i grew up lds this dlc gets a lot of the mormon stuff correct, really interesting speculation on how things would be if there were lds offshoot tribes in utah in a post apocalyptic world

[@WolfyFancyLads]

"His failures haunted him" So basically, either the tribe stays weak and defenseless or this guy has a bitch fit. I think I know what's the correct choice.

[@saddemgargouri]

Joshua is my favorite and best written character in fallout newvegas in my opinion

[@TheEntryCode]

Gotta love that Joshua Graham voice.

[@hood6743]

Damn, I'mma run a new save just to get that ending, I loved the Survivalist's story and the Sorrows became born from his support and advice that they revered him as a God. I thought I had gotten the best ending, driving back the White Legs and Killing Salt-Upon-Wounds. Turns out there was option that would change Joshua for the best. I took the Survivalist's last message to heart, that they should defend their homeland and family.

[@TheBennyBoi876]

I’m super late on this but I just wanna give a little credit to Joshua Graham’s superb voice acting and writing. Easily one of the best and most interesting characters in all of Fallout.

[@shaquantucker7463]

Why do you carry all those bottle caps with you, they jingle like crazy

[@Majora359]

Poor David. No matter which path you take, it always ends badly for him.

[@rachet9035]

I never noticed this before now but isn't Waking Cloud's voice actor the same as Madame Panada's from Point Lookout?

[@MukuonChannel]

Daniel is such a Mr. Piss Pants no matter what ending.

[@grimreaper5558]

Day by day, I feel like Joshua and other day's, I feel like Daniel.

[@jerichoelopez]

I failed to convince Joshua not kill Salt-Upon-Wounds, and so, the Sorrows became a war-mongering tribe, Follows-Chalk left, and Joshua, though the fire inside him was supressed, still had a small chunk of bitterness. I, the Courier, though I have saved Zion from the White Legs, have failed.

[@joshuahadley776]

"Perfect" is a bit of a overstatement, there was still plenty of collateral damage while trying to get the best ending possible.

[@VAULT-TEC_INC.]

He looks like the Batman villain: Hush.

[@liamlujero9416]

"it is not my revenge, it is God's revenge because I am not the won who judges the faith of those who have wronged me." -MalpaisLegate 2010

[@sanlorenzo7896]

6:06 Well, I guess that ends the romance possibility between the Courier and Waking Cloud. *sighs before taking a sip of my trusty Vault 13 canteen*

[@potatoman4680]

Only one road yet remained and it was one the courier had to walk alone.

[@travisdickens8721]

New vegas is the only game I know that makes you think "is this the good ending?" At the ending(s)

[@Tony-The-Motherfucking-Tiger]

4:40 Well,hello there Lee!

[@thealmightyoreoking]

Him telling Salt-Upon-Wounds to go back to the Great Salt Lake has the same energy of “Go. And sin no more.”

[@alirioruedigerjunior7956]

daniels voice actor is vito scaletta

[@michaelglover9214]

It's been a while but I believe that if you work through Daniels quest line, but stop before the mainline quest part, then do Joshua's quests you get a slightly better ending for Daniel. I disagree with a few parts... But everybody's got a favorite. "Mostly perfect"

[@TheTriangle444]

Follows-Chalk never seen again? How old is he in here? Could be a set-up for a future title.

[@dinosdaniel3508]

i... have never seen this dialogue.. I thought honest hearts ended with me going alone to fight white legs and killed their chieftain

[@kylepatrick3284]

Cursed be the ground for our sake . Both thorns and thistles shall bring forth for us for out of the ground we were taken and so shall we return -joshua Graham

[@roboraptor9270]

Honestly you ask me Daniel was a bad person, he was trying to manipulate the sorrows into abandoning their worship of the cave god for Jesus which isn’t very different from what Caesar did just far less aggressive, and on top of that he was saddened that the sorrows learned how to defend themselves like the cave god wanted

[@Dinosaurisrex]

Based on math you should be able to max out all of your skills unless you skill points go from 16, 15,16,15,ect unless you get some skill books

[@EnderalRocks]

What an awesome voice actor.

[@username172]

Why does joshua disappear after the dlc though, i needed to buy mods for the pistol he gave me

[@rabidwolf3681]

didnt even know there was anything to the companions

[@TheDONing1]

It's what Randall Clark would've wanted.

[@kuirenBudasz]

How the hell did you save the happy trails caravan?

[@Buts]

All the characters with you at the start are scripted to die.

[@BossAttack]

By "saved" I think you are referring to them still being in business and thriving as talked about in this ending. In order for that to happen you have to side with Joshua and fight off the White Legs from Zion, choosing to flee with Joshua means the Happy Trails Caravan will not be able to stay in business.

[@DaralenManta]

+Boss I found it rather strange how much time they spent wrapping up the fate of Happy Trails Caravan when you barely get to know a few of them before those get slaughtered. I ended up not really caring much what happened to the rest of the company back in... Sacramento was it?

[@kuirenBudasz]

DaralenManta Also they gave you 50 caps... completely worthless. Oh Ricky was an interesting person however.

[@poopboy3998]

......gaaaarry.........

[@_Dogberry_]

I did the sneering imperialist option which is something like "Yeah blah blah whatever. Graham put a cap in General Gobblegork here"

[@djkasdjkasdjdjdj]

what faction is this?? where do you find this faction?

[@Dorsiazwart]

It's a seperate DLC, it's called Honest Hearts. The DLC don't have any impact on the main story or the Mojave. In some DLC's it is mentioned that "Oh, and the robodogs of Big Mt. helped the Mojave" (This is from one of the DLC's, look it up they're awesome) But if you mean just the tribes in this DLC it's the Dead Horses and the Sorrows i believe.

[@jamesdunn571]

One of the narrator's at the end sounds like Lee from The Walking Dead

[@poopboy3998]

I didn't help the sorrows evacuate so Daniel got pissed and Ron pearlman had to explain where I fucked up

[@Orrma]

Sneering Imperialist is my IRL perk. XD

[@fruitbat4429]

"Perfect" is indeed a relative term. But this perhaps one of the better endings. I hope Follows-Chalk is still out there and still exploring.

[@brunoclement123]

Is Kiefer Sutherland the voice actor of Graham?

[@TheNavypenguin]

Lee!!!!!! I missed you Lee Everett..

[@Raveityourway]

Daniel meant well but the dude's moral compass was a bit misguided I think. Ontology is never gonna make the world a better place, especially in a post-apocalyptic wasteland.

[@Hassan-GnB]

Despite being a sci-fi game, the Fallout developers really know their anthropology.