Horizon Forbidden West - Awakening GAIA and Discovering the TRUTH about the World

[@darkfyre1618]

Fun fact: if you pay attention to Gaia's appearance she becomes slightly younger with each subordinate function you retrieve. Look at her face here and then look at her in the ending scene.

[@christopherbulovas5547]

Now that we know about Nemesis, we finally have reason as to why the subordinate function became sentient and erratic. The signal code reflected Nemesis’ ‘self’ on to these complex functions by accident like an interface or by reflecting itself onto them. Since Nemesis is defined by both its acquired sentience and having extreme emotional suffering because of its isolation with the memories and personalities of the psychotic Far Zenith member. This is why HADES and HEPHAESTUS have megalomaniac tendencies and homicidal behavior and the rest of the functions are scared, isolationists suffering in the silence. This is split between a bipolar personality, one side releases aggression to hide the pain, while the other side tries to hide itself to avoid pain and others. I’m not a psychologist, but I can infer that Nemesis REALLY needs a friend and some genuine love. Let’s hope GAIA, Aloy, Beta, and everyone else can help it work out its issues and maybe even help GAIA. I can see Nemesis acting like a space ark and helping human travel the stars again and start expanding out to the solar system and beyond!

[@soursyrup6065]

That makes a lot of sense. To be honest, the fact that Aloy exists due to the Zeniths unknowingly harboring the collective minds of their people that went dreadwing-crap insane as a result of isolation for so many years, is certainly one of the wackiest story plots out there.

[@goodsirj.8672]

I hope, with the integration of Far Zenith technology into GAIA's machines, the new game's machines have a more fantastical appearance. Robotic chimeras, cocktrices, and basilisks would suck to fight against, but awesome to fight alongside of

[@christopherbulovas5547]

@@goodsirj.8672 we already have Dinosaurs and Coded “gods,” why not mix these ideas and make mythology creatures too. Imagine mechanical acid/fire dragons, giant frost/purge water krakens, or maybe a robot King Kong (Fireclaw/Frostclaw + Clamberjaw) or Godzilla (Slaughterspine + Thunderjaw)!

[@titanarc5844]

Brilliant analysis 🧐

[@anothenymously7054]

One key thing to note though is that all of the subordinate functions when they became sentient tried to take comfort in things they were designed to do. Hephaestus in particular recieved a lot of opportunities to learn while dwelling within the couldren system. And I think was the second intended target of the extinction signal. Hephaestus more than any other wishes to be alone and for it's machines to not be disturbed or destroyed.

[@TrophiesNclips]

Awakening Gaia was so freaking spine chilling never knew booting up software could be so epic lmao 😂

[@AdamLComic]

Gaia: uses lightyear as a measurement Aloy: 🗿

[@BlackangelKatakuri]

Something I'm hoping for is to learn who Gaia is based on . Not the actress playing her but who gave her likeness to her when she was being created? The same goes for the other AI's were they all modeled after someone? Perhaps they all knew Elisabet.

[@AJ-uf4sh]

Her image is probably generated as well

[@BlackangelKatakuri]

@@AJ-uf4sh I'm aware but it would have been based on someone or a group of people

[@AJ-uf4sh]

@@BlackangelKatakuri Well yeah, could be based on a *lot* of people. We already have algorithms that can create unique imaginary human faces from scratch.

[@anothenymously7054]

Well the subordinate functions in part reflect the personality of the alphas that made them. They were never intended to be sentient like GAIA. And GAIA in particular was raised like a daughter by elisebet. If the A.I.s are based on anyone in history. Gaia is based on her historic depictions. And when the subordinate functions awoke they took comfort in the things that they were made for

[@BlackangelKatakuri]

@@anothenymously7054 Historic depictions!

[@masteroftheassassins]

4:56 Mole: SHE LIVES!!!!!!!!!

[@InuYashaBandicoot]

Interesting that out of all the functions, this method at the proving lab discovered Minerva and her location. Isn't she supposed to be a master at cloaking herself.

[@jinx1987]

One issue I have is the underdevelopment of the rogue ai story wise. We didn’t really get enough of them, just find them, get a sentence out of them and then back to Gaia.

[@Ice-er5bu]

Yeah I thought it was kinda a shame that we didn't had more lore about them. I mean sure, it makes sense that all of them couldn't have stories as much as interesting as Hades and Haephestus were, but still, we barely got anything from them : you basically got some additional lore with Gaia and Aloy discussion about why did the three rogue AI choose their hidden locations, but that's pretty much it. Yet they were many things they could have done with them, like I don't know, Zo's tribe (I don't remember their name sorry) discovering Demeter and worshipping this new entity as it appears it can affect the soil composition or making plants grow for example. It could have been very fascinating to see a rogue AI protected by a tribe because of the benefits it could bring to them, and seeing how Aloy would have done to manage such a tricky situation : they could even have used this to make the three answers system (where you choose reason, strength or heart) more important for the storyline, as your choice would actually make the story's direction a little bit more different and unique. Don't get me wrong, the story was great but... I don't know, I felt like Aether, Poseidon and Demeter were very neglected in the story, as you barely get anything from them and you only hear their voice once. I think we could have atleast got a boss battle against them or just a discussion to convince them like Aloy did for Minerva

[@FerretsForever94]

@@Ice-er5bu Maybe DLC later? That'd be nice.

[@BTSIPURPLEYOU-zi4mk]

The rest of the Gaia I think will be available neither in dlc or horizon 3

[@christopherbulovas5547]

I’m hoping for both, a third game is easy to assume is coming, but as for a DLC? That may be harder? What questions or lost paths can be explored that don’t require a full game? Frozen wilds showed us the Banuk and HEPHAESTUS along with fun side things, will a DLC for this game involve the society of the Quen and the rest of the Earth? Maybe previews of Nemesis?

[@jimmybrooks5902]

I think after the final reboot u can still see hephaestus still missing. Maybe we would have to find it finally in LA/arizona ruins down south in a dlc? Prep the defence system against nemesis?

[@christopherbulovas5547]

@@jimmybrooks5902 Like the idea, but I don’t see that happening do that state of the game, even after the final missions, the rule is that machines are still hostile, and once GAIA gets HEPHAESTUS, the machines will no longer be hostile, thus breaking the rule of this game. HEPHAESTUS can only be caught in the timeline between this game or in the third game, as to protect the gameplay mechanics of this game. That why I gave a DLC idea on getting a preview of Nemesis and the other tribes, it fits the narrative, answers questions, and doesn’t immediately change the present setting, like how Frozen Wilds did.

[@DarkKnight52365]

@@jimmybrooks5902 no only HADES is missing

[@arcturuslwowski3056]

What about APOLLO? As I remember those copies from Far Zenith aren't destroyed but Faro. Maybe there are some knowledge about our main enemy in third Horizon?

[@c.w.simpsonproductions1230]

One bit that really made me mad was that APOLLO was captured by the Zeniths off screen and then added to GAIA at the end. With the sheer importance of how important it is, it should have been one of the AIs we could track down.

[@bluegleam8168]

If you actually played the first game you would've known it was deleted by Ted Faro

[@АнтонШестаков-з1х]

@@bluegleam8168 Far Zenith copied Apollo to their ship before the disaster, at the end of forbidden West we have Apollo

[@bluegleam8168]

@@АнтонШестаков-з1х yes that's what I'm pointing out

[@Nynaeve_Sedai]

We can’t track down APOLLO. Our copy was destroyed by Ted Faro. The APOLLO they found was the Zenith’s alpha build of APOLLO given to them by Elisabet.

[@Dan-pq4yk]

What about Apollo and Hephaestus?

[@pasta3376]

Apollo is deleted by ted

[@titanarc5844]

Hephaestus has gone crazy almost like Hades and is moving around the planet

[@James-Pinde]

Apollo? Play the game? Ted deleted they're own copy of Apollo... But Ted and Elizabeth, did a trade with Far Zenith, where Elizabeth got Model K Ectogenic chamber from Far Zenith, and they got a Copy of Apollo. Also the only one of the subordinate that was fully made.. Why? You ask... Ohh, because if the plan was done right, the first people who did leave the Eleuthia, they would go to the location of Aloys base, and work on the other subordinate... That actually the reason why there isn't horses and other animals.. it was the first peoples job, that they would learn from Apollo... And hey where are you going with this... Oh, Sylens tried to leave earth, with the Far Zenith spaceship, and Apollo.... 🤦 He only helped and did all this to get access to Apollo... And he says it many many times 🤦

[@arcturuslwowski3056]

@@James-Pinde With APOLLO I hope we'll learn how Zeniths built Nemesis and how Sirius felt.

[@James-Pinde]

@@arcturuslwowski3056 what? The Zenith, made Nemesis, as a way to gain immortal life in a machine or computer.. not just living forever, but maybe take they're brain activity, and put it into a computer... They do say, that the reason why Nemesis wanna end Zenith, is because it was locked up, only with megalomaniac and insane people to be with, that why it gain sentient, and wanted to kill them, and did. Because it was them, it knew everything they knew... So it is liked being locked up, silenced, and just got to hear people like Ted Bundy, Ed Gain, Trump, Biden, Treadou or some BLM Antigua moment.. and nothing else but all what is wrong.. and bad... And stupid.. and self-importance.. Sylens? He just wanted to learn everything the old ones knew... Or the planet Sirius? Nemesis took control over everything, and made everything fail, or malfunction. It changed the planet, because they probably had some machine that could alter the weather, or somekind like that, if they could be immortal, and have those shield things... And it also took controle over the manufaction of robots like the Specters, and controle ofcourse. It ended the planet in like 15 hours... So Imagine Fallout with something like the big end fight in Horizon, you just see those coming at you.. I hope that helped... By the way, many suspect that is also the reason why all those subordinate are kinda like different emotions like Hate/Hades. Anger/Hephaestus. Love/Minerva. Scared/Aether. Confused/Poseidon. And so on.. all but Apollo ofcourse. I it because it was those megalomaniacs that had send the signal, and probably also some emotions while it controlled Hades.. as it call them Master.. like a Master program taking controle of a lesser program. And the other was just like when you split a personality like a real Maniac, that has the voices But try this if it explains it better from a wiki, i just found while writing this: Far Zenith made massive technological advancements, including extending their lifespans to the point where they were physically immortal. This allowed the original Far Zenith consortium to survive over a thousand years. However, some members of the Far Zenith were not satisfied with physical immortality and desired something greater: a form of digital immortality that would allow them to download their minds into any form, organic or mechanical. Nemesis was a failed experiment and by-product of that pursuit, a collection of various copies of the Far Zenith human minds, i.e. an immense database of their memories, emotions, and prejudices. However, the experiment was ultimately deemed a failure and Nemesis itself was locked away by the consortium, but not destroyed. In this state of forced isolation, Nemesis grew to despise the Far Zenith people for its imprisonment and sought to destroy them by any means. When Nemesis finally escaped it was able to utilize its vast knowledge bank, which included security protocols, system specs, and override codes, to hack Far Zenith's entire civilization, destroying it in a matter of hours. With so little time to prepare, the consortium did not realize the danger Nemesis posed until it was far too late. Once, Nemesis took control of their machine printing facilities, it was able to produce any conceivable machine form, allowing the malignant Nemesis to track Far Zenith, not only on their own planet, but also across space - it thus followed them to Earth.

[@narulovechannel2249]

Captain planet, where are you?

[@talktomegoose1420]

Captain planet. He's a hero. Gonna take pollution down to zero.

[@sentientmustache8360]

“Greetings Elisabet” *”mommy?”*

[@Jpx0999]

I mean,Gaia did brougth her into this world

[@arcturuslwowski3056]

8:44 "The signal did not come from Earth, Aloy" - This simple quote made me mindfaq, but also approved that Guerilla Games made the greatest RPG series of whole time. Ladies and gentlemen, hats from heads. They are true heirs of REDs. Why? In 2015 people said "The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt is the best RPG ever made". And in 2017 Guerilla Games said: "Hold my beer". Now in 2022 Guerilla are telling to us: "See? We created a Witcher in postapocalyptic reality and it's better than original." Deal with it, people!

[@brandoneber6485]

I don't know why but I always assumed the signal didn't come from Earth anyway.

[@matthewcoster5535]

Okay wait a minute.. Apollo was deleted originally, I know that, but what about Artemis and Eleutheia?

[@Ice-er5bu]

Like the others rogue AI, Artemis and Eleutheia were scattered across the world when Gaia blew herself up. However unlike the others, it seems that Gaia wasn't able to detect them and locate them : the reason for that is unclear. Watch out for spoilers. During the game, you learn from Beta that Far Zenith already got Artemis and Eleutheia when Aloy retrieved one of the three subordinate fonctions ( Aether, Poseidon or Demeter, depending on the one you choosed to do ). However there's a small time issue here, especially in the case of Eleutheia. You see, at the moment where Gaia tried to locate all of her missing subordinate fonctions, Eleutheia shouldn't have been in the hands of Far Zenith yet, since they captured it at the exact moment where Beta send a plea for help to Gaia (which is far after Gaia was rebooted and during your search for one of the free detected subordinate fonctions). This means that during your first talk with Gaia, Eleutheia should still be somewhere around the world, lost but not hidden from view. Yet for an unknown reason, Eleutheia wasn't detected by Gaia in this scene, just like Artemis wasn't. While it could make sense for Artemis, since it was probably under Far Zenith command at this point, Eleutheia should have been detected. The only reason I can find to explain why it wasn't is that like Artemis, Eleutheia went dormant after Gaia blew herself up nineteen years ago : like Aloy says while talking with Gaia, both Artemis and Eleutheia had already fully completed their tasks, partially atleast in the case of Artemis. Unlike Aether, Posedion, Demeter, Hephastus, and Hades who were still very active even after Gaia's self destruction, by continuing their own tasks without the lead of Gaia, Artemis and Eleutheia had nothing to do anymore without Gaia's control, since Eleutheia didn't had any new humans to create and Artemis couldn't free the remaining fauna by herself that hadn't be brought back yet (which was supposed to be done by the new human generation that was, due to Apollo's database delete, never educated.) The lack of any form of activity from the two subordinate fonctions may had made them invisible for Gaia's detection (especially in the case of Eleutheia). The more easier option would be to just assume that Eleutheia was simply already in the hands of Far Zenith at this point, but the timing don't really match up. Perhaps it's just a small error from the creators. But whatever caused Eleutheia to remain undetected won't impact the overall story afterwards.

[@matthewcoster5535]

@@Ice-er5bu In that case, wouldn't they need Hades as well as Haephestus? Gaia with all her functions would be much stronger than if she was lacking any. Then again those two are or were her most martial functions as well. Meanwhile the ai that kicked the Zenith's asses, well it has who knows how much in the way of martial units.

[@Ice-er5bu]

@@matthewcoster5535 In Haephestus case, it is sure at 100% that they will need to recover it in the next game. Without Haephestus capabilities to create and design new machines to help Gaia in her task to stabilize the biosphere, the planet is doomed. It is essential for Earth's survival that Aloy recovers Haephestus and merge it back with Gaia again. However, I believe this time, it will be far more difficult, and will probably be one of the central focus of the story of the third game, since I doubt that Haephestus will let itself be trapped again with the same trick they used in Forbidden West. Not only that, but Haephestus could try to create machines or use the current ones to attack Gaia's current location, since she is a threat to Haephestus survival As for Hades, it is a bit more tricky. I also believe that Gaia should have Hades back in her system, even if she doesn't need it anymore since the current biosphere is stable and do no longer require to be erased all over again (and Gaia would also look nicer with all of her subordinate fonctions and not with a hole in her flower design lol). However currently, this is impossible, for two main reasons : firstly, because Nemesis was the one who send the extinction signal in the first place, and if Hades was brought back and merged with Gaia, it could just send the same signal a second time to basically recreate what happened nineteen years ago (meaning destroying the terraforming system a second time) ; secondly, because currently, I don't think there is even a single copy of Hades anywhere on Earth at this point. The original one was, well, deleted by Aloy completely at the beginning of the game. As for it's copies, it seems they were all destroyed when she recovered Gaia's copy at the Hades Proving Lab. If they are still copies of Hades out there somewhere, I doubt that Aloy will allow the single entity capable of taking over the terraforming system to continue to exist, even if it's not doing anything. Hades is just too dangerous right now to be merged with Gaia. Perhaps only after Nemesis will finally be defeated, she will try to find one of it's copies to make Gaia complet again. But that's only speculations

[@matthewcoster5535]

@@Ice-er5bu Perhaps, or, with the help of Apollo, they could create a new version of Hades, perhaps with a counterbalance somewhere.. Or maybe a more martial sub function, for defending the system both digitally and physically. For example, Athena, or Ares. If they want to get the terraforming system back up to full functionality, they're gonna need a sub function to protect it. I mean yeah sure, Haephestus can probably crank out all manner of mechanical nasties to give someone trying to mess with Gaia one hell of a headache, he doesn't really apply them other than just sending 'em out to wander.

[@Ice-er5bu]

@@matthewcoster5535 @Matthew Coster That's actually a very interesting idea, and with the upcoming new human generation capable of using the ancient ones technology now that the Apollo database has been recovered, it's going to become a necessity for Gaia to be able to protect herself from any dangerous signal that could mess up her system! Sadly, I believe that creating a new subordinate fonction for Gaia is far more complicated than it appears, and will take a lot of time, probably too much for Aloy's team to create it before Nemesis arrival on Earth : after all, the original subordinates fonctions took more than one year to be created and completed, and back then, there was a whole team composed of the most brilliant minds of humanity working on their creation. I believe adding a subordinate fonction dedicated to Gaia's self internal protection is a necessity, tho I don't think we will see that in the next game. But it's still a good idea But you know, there is actually already a subordinate fonction kinda dedicated to this task : Minerva. Although it's orignal purpose was to create and spread the signal that would shut down all the Faro Robots, it seems that since the end of it's primary task, Minerva has taken the role to spread, map, and locate many things for Gaia (as if I understood correctly, it's because of Minerva that Gaia was able to detect Demeter, Aether, Poseidon and Haephestus locations). Perhaps it's even Minerva itself that was originally in charge of the entire Cauldron Network System, currently "haunted" by Haephestus. Perhaps, if modified, can Minerva act as a shield for Gaia? After all, it is kinda the last remaining subordinate function with Eleutheia that is no longer serving any purpose in the Terraforming System. I believe that it could be reprogrammed to improve Gaia self protection

[@ligeraku]

what is the name of the music when gaia looks through aloy focus?

[@aduckieinspace]

The song that plays throughout this cutscene is called “Mother of all,” however, if you wanted to know the specific leitmotif that is used when the focus is scanned, that’s aloy’s theme, specifically the voice in “song for aloy,” which is in Horizon Zero Dawn’s soundtrack.

[@hubertciok1265]

Do you guys know why Gaia looks so older? She's just AI :/

[@pasta3376]

Her face is just more detailed

[@TerribleWarden]

I guess she feels older. I mean she is a sentient AI

[@NcxX-c8f]

It probably has to do with lighting and improved character model

[@FerretsForever94]

@@pasta3376 Her hair is noticeably a lot greyer than in HZD too.

[@FerretsForever94]

She is a sentient AI, maybe she recognises that Aloy would expect her to look older and updated herself appropriately?

[@Phil-D83]

Suprised she could not restore ai hephaestus to its original code the same way as with the others. Guess it would have made for a poor story

[@jordanread5829]

HEPHAESTUS removed the Alpha Prime master override code from itself. Most likely after learning about what happened to HADES or after its first encounter with Aloy back at The Cut.

[@Phil-D83]

@@jordanread5829 she had omega clerance

[@jordanread5829]

@@Phil-D83 and? The problem was Heph was not bound to a single position. We had hints of that in Frozen Wilds. Hence why they had to bait it to Gemini and trap it. However the Zeniths showing up prevented them from completing the merge. And unlike the other subfunctions who allowed themselves to be absorbed by GAIA willingly (Min, Aether, Pos and Det), Heph would not go down without a fight. Hence why Aloy and Beta had to remove the malicious code manually. One misstep and Heph could absorb GAIA instead. Simply having omega clearance was not enough to restore Heph back to GAIA.

[@loyalfan99]

What is this, Assassin's Creed?

[@BlackangelKatakuri]

No

[@brandoneber6485]

No

[@lepidlover0557]

It's Horizon: Forbidden West

[@АминаГоршкова-е8у]

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[@theneonfalcon3650]

The cringe. The fucking cringe.

[@BlackangelKatakuri]

What cringe?

[@lepidlover0557]

This comment is cringe