Horizon Zero Dawn - Maker's End: Elisabet Sobeck & Ted Faro Meetings In 2064 Hologram Sequences PS4

[@nintendogamingchannel1007]

Jason'sVideoGamesSource Is Ted Faro based on Elon Musk from your own opinion?

[@JasonsVideoGamesSource]

Thanks @nintendogamingchannel1007 I never thought about it. I can see some similarities. I hope Elon doesn't kill us all in the near future 🤣

[@xyr_bon]

YES

[@Baguenaudeur]

Ted Faro started by doing environmental work (Tesla / FAS Green Robots), claiming the success of his most brillant employees as his own (Space X / Sobeck), became the richest man on Earth which only boosted his immense ego, turning him into an ultra-conservative nutcase. I mean how obvious does it has to be?

[@speks36]

Yes everything about screams hopeless tech bro: - The fact that their names are shortened enough to justify saying both the first and last name every time(3-4 syllables). - The fact that all they did was take credit for someone else's work and it made them the richest men on earth. - The fact that they have reputations written to make them seem like some kind of messiah-like figure born on to the world to usher humanity into a brighter future. - The fact that they would never admit that what they sell are horrible pieces of scrap that ultimately got people maimed or killed. (Tesla cars with no manual door handle and can only be opened electronically(no power, no exit), self driving cars that run pedestrians over, cybertrucks that eat people's fingers and slices open their calves)

[@NeetuSingh-gl1ue]

​@@speks36 the cybertrucks are just the start. Hopefully, it never reaches the point where it's our end.

[@MrDeathMachine]

The fact that when Ted deletes all of humanities history, our achievements, our wonders, our shames and greatest failures…all to hide his own hubris. It actually sickened me, that is the sign of great storytelling.

[@ryanhernandez5632]

It apart of why this game is so good. As for ted what haunts me most is that under all that bluster of saving humanity from its past. He deleted Apollo to hide. So that he would not be remembered as the fool he was as the man who killed humanity twice. The first because of his arrogance, and then the second time because of his shame. Story telling like this will be remembered for generations

[@TheMajinTrunks]

I love your comment because ultimatly shows what great writing does. Faro... was humanity's savior. For better or worse his breakthroughs pushed humanity from the break of a coalpse into feudalism back into the light. And then the same traits that saved humanity... doomed it. And it drove Faro insane. He's one of the best tradgedies written in motern enteritanment history. On the otherhand, i despize Sobek. She's jesus. Plain and simple. She's flawless to a T, and the only bit of humanization she ever gets is in a post credits scene. It's quite a shame. I would have loved a role reversal. A Faro vs Sobek rivalry, where Faro once succeded, and Sobek failed miserably... and in the end the hubirs of succes being humanity's end while the humility of defeat being the source of hope. But as it stands... man what a missed opportunity with Sobek.

[@ryanhernandez5632]

@@TheMajinTrunks we could see that rivalry in the second game. Given the context of ferro, and sobeks history I could see that happening, mybe even giving us the info/recording of what caused sobeks to ultimately leave the country because of the legal issues put on her by the courts

[@bate01071]

I actually don’t think he did it to hide his own hubris. I think he deleted the Apollo data because he knew that humanity and people like him in the future if corrupted by the information from Apollo might make the same mistakes and be led down the same path. I don’t believe he should have made the decision solo but it wasn’t an entirely shameful decision seen through that light. At the end, I don’t think he valued whether he was remembered poorly by those that would come after, if his actions were ever brought to light.

[@titanhades4331]

Were you not listening? She said she would not record what he did if he footed the bill. Apollo would have shown him as a hero, the one who funded giving life another chance, because that is what Liz, who told him no one else would know as long as he paid, promised. We have only been getting the actual truth from Ted and Lizs personal recordings, nothing of public record.

[@TheStewieOne]

Hades isn't the villain of the game. He's just program what it was designed to do. The true Villain of the game is Ted. Not only did he destroy all life on earth, he destroyed all the knowledge in APOLLO that would have help the next generation of humans in learning from the past humans mistakes. Nope! He just deletes it just because he's didn't want to be remember for ending the world only dooming the next generation of humans in making the same mistakes again and having to learn from them again. But think of the humans that were born in the bunker. These kids grow up barely nothing or nothing at all. Not knowing how to read or write, know know what do to survive if they were let out early in the world. I know people hate this quote but I think it's appropriate. “Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it.” ― Edmund Burke

[@azazel166]

It is pointed out that the "glitch" and signal that made Gaia's subordinate functions self-aware came from an unknown source. So it may be possible that someone or something else may be involved in this as well.

[@TheStewieOne]

Some people think that it's Ted in some kind of why.

[@chibidakis1]

He had his own fallout shelter "Thebes"

[@Legba85]

A Ghost Without a Past the source was called the Masters by Sylens at the end. They’re the reason all this shit blew up and become Aloy’s reason for creation.

[@grimsoncrow]

Why would Ted want to destroy the world AGAIN? With his knowledege and tech he could live like a god...If he was cryogenically frozen, as one theory suggests.

[@StrongandGrand]

4:26 "Liz, I cannot in good conscience sign that!" Ted, it was your lack of a conscience that led us here. And NOW he acts like he had one. Disgusting.

[@smd0512]

Ikr

[@EL-ISS]

Ted is so hatable it's unreal. Destroys the earth, then funds to fix it then wipes Apollo .... Dude screwed us over TWICE

[@GamerNurseGale]

@@EL-ISS more like screwed the world three times...made the chariot lines virtually unhackable...wants to cover up his mistake...purges the APOLLO program...i dont even get it why or how he was involved with the Zero Dawn project.

[@StrongandGrand]

@@GamerNurseGale Well, someone had to fund it. I wish they had thrown him to his creations and taken his funds after the fact.

[@dazzaMusic]

@@GamerNurseGale because he and his company funded it. Without his funding the project wouldn’t have been completed that’s why he had the power to destroy Apollo.

[@Escapistier]

"Jesus, Liz" Aloy probably wondered what Jesus meant :D

[@ForceInEvHorizon]

Is Not Meant

[@JackyMoul]

@@ForceInEvHorizon For her yes

[@Mikhael_bureau]

I envy her...

[@imani6357]

U good??

[@PAVLOS2000]

"All-Mother, Liz" fixed it for her lol

[@ihatevoyager]

the story in this game was so haunting. When you realized that the doom of civilization was inevitable that some simple carelessness and curiousity led to our entire society being destroyed, and then How the scientists had hope for a future with the gaia system and even in a time of hopelessness and despair they still persevered to give life a chance. and the ending with Alloy finding sobecks body and hearing her talk about what she would want in a kid or legacy was just amazing. Truly great storyline, the best i;ve seen in years. If this game was a movie it'd get academy awards.

[@soupx360a]

just finished it a couple days ago, and I couldn't agree more. This game had the best story of any game i have ever played, bar none. Overall, it is the 2nd best game I've played in recent years, only behind the witcher 3.

[@CampingforCool41]

I agree the story was very haunting. I had expected some sort of apocalypse story explaining the fall of civilization, but not the near total extinction of life on earth- not just humans, but every plant, insect, bird, mammal, ect, ect. That would be a tragedy of unimaginable proportions. In that way, I think the storyline is much more interesting than The Witcher 3's, however, the Witcher exceeds the writing of Horizon in it's individual characters (not that Horizon's characters are bad, just not on the same level).

[@maxwellheadroom8335]

CampingforCool41 it wasn’t near total. It was total.

[@tiagoviana263]

It would be fine if Ted added a backdoor before coding the software for the robots, or a kill switch to shut down the bots before it was too late. But no, he wanted the bots to be unhackable in any way.

[@MSUHitman]

And yet the press & DICE just slobbered all over a bad open world game in BotW that year.

[@CorbenikClay]

Man.... I was watching this scene which absolute horror. Throughout the game I was learning, seeking out the truth of what had happened and how we had survived. This was a killer of all truths.

[@Swahmee_salami]

the story of this game is do deep it's sickening

[@sadhappy8860]

Superb game

[@Cerberusballs]

In the words of Smosh Games, "It's gonna take a lot of writing to make 'cavegirl vs. dinobot' not seem ridiculous."

[@ShadowIsatis]

Man, that's probably why I still have heeby jeebiys after watching this story. All the warnings about evil AI running amok and Ted Faro eignored them all and brought the robot apocalypse anyways.

[@captainkev10]

@@Cerberusballs yeah, it's fun to write backwards. Figure out the setting first, then decide the backstory later.

[@EL-ISS]

Years later this shit still shakes me to the core: "A little over 15 months." Jesus Christ the pressure on poor Elisabet.

[@SaraMorgan-ym6ue]

well it should because all it would take is a simple mistake like making ai controlled robots with the same ability's as the chariot line of robots to wipe us out for real it scares you to the bone because it could actually happen

[@TheNorthie]

Ted keeps trying to justify his decisions for his robots. He won’t take the blame for anything and justifies his action for his ego’s sake

[@JasonsVideoGamesSource]

Yep. Ted Faros was insane on so many levels. Thanks for the comment The Northie

[@215jmo]

Total narcissist absolutely. Seems similar to a few real life figures 😳

[@grediredi85]

Easiest way to spot a narcissist is lack of empathy. Thats Ted Faro all the way. People like that only deserve whats coming to them.

[@nintendogamingchannel1007]

@@215jmo Any Real Life Persons examples?

[@nintendogamingchannel1007]

@@215jmo I am extremely curious of whose you thinking of?

[@pridemoth_]

This (and what we learn later) is what really pulled the rug out from under me while playing this game. These post-post apocalypse stories (you know, with all the urban overgrowth and suchity such) are usually about how yes, something apocalyptic happened, but humanity survived. We persevered. But HZD came out here and said. No. We didn't survive. We didn't persevere. There was nothing left to save. It's devastating.

[@Twilord_]

Offhand I can think of two other games that do that, oddly both Nintendo... One would be a huge spoiler for its franchise and the other takes a much lighter approach (Splatoon). ... it might be three with Nintendo but I don't know Kirby lore...

[@whereisevan]

This scene left me shaking.

[@kamentrainerhorn2073]

I would like to wish a very Happy 4th Birthday to the special little boy who will grow up to kill us all!

[@RavenArya]

I had a similar thought. That this is the potential next generation.... by Ted's listed birth year, my kid is only a year older. That though is sobering.

[@hennamarttila7783]

Wait what, was it Faro?! :O I never realized

[@corporatejones9126]

Well, He was born in 2013 and on 2022, He was 9 years old. Happy birthday for him and good luck murdering him

[@JesbaamSanchez]

In the end he suffered a worth worse death. Becoming a mutated monster because he wanted to live forever. He killed humanity with his killer robots, he killed humanity again by destroying knowledge of past failures. Ted Faro is the true villain

[@Hecktic117]

He deserved worse.

[@squadcode71]

Yet he still survives thousand years to now, until the time Aloy found him. Least to say that the Quen had burned his legacy to the ground.

[@gabe_liu9095]

15 months . . . 15 F-ING MONTH TO FINISH ZERO DAWN?! so much pressure for Elisabeth

[@jaredknight8838]

Imagine that, a little over a year to gather the most intelligent minds in the world, get all those super geniuses on the same page, and THEN and ONLY THEN can you start working on the single most complex and advanced computing system ever devised. Not to mention allotting time to actually set up the mechanical systems, all the cauldrons, the cradles, and the bunkers, all while killer robots are actively hunting you and any other living thing in the world down.

[@gabe_liu9095]

@@jaredknight8838 i guess it was easier because Ted gave his robot factory to create the 'green' robots, they just need create the robot design and its AI

[@beastmotoz]

@@gabe_liu9095 so what became of Elysium they talked about a sealed bunker which was used to keep the family members of the workers of ZD?

[@gabe_liu9095]

@@beastmotoz if i had to guess, Faro killed them too

[@trickster20618]

​@@beastmotoz They were running short on time to finish gaia, so all of the zero dawn workers and their families evacuated to elysium while the alphas and elisabet stayed to finish gaia. They would have been able to stay in that facility as well to live out the rest of their lives, but as we know, elisabet sacrificed herself to seal the gap, and our good pal Ted Faro decided fuck you and killed the other 8.

[@kevinwaag9976]

6% power remaining ?! after more than 950years! god damn they could build!

[@JohnSmith-bn5mi]

I crafted theories on exactly two points of the game. The first was who Aloy's mother was. I thought she was a Nora who left the valley and had a daughter with a Sun Kingdom man. During a raid she was injured and fled to just outside the valley. She collapsed just outside the border. Rost chose to cross it and bring her in as she passed. Aloy was able to be saved, but due to her mother's death there was disagreement on if she had been born within the valley. I did NOT see that Aloy was manufactured by an AI to be a genetic clone of a long dead scientist. THAT was where I started to give the wroters credit. For ZD, I thought I caught on. They'd wipe every piece of tech out. No more information no more tools. It'd be close to extinction, and no one would be able to repair the damage on anything. It'd mean a return to the stone age. Yeah..... The writers have my full respect after the shit they pulled on what Zero Dawn ACTUALLY is.

[@mione12gft71]

Tbf, there was simply no way she could he a daughter of an organic relation. She has 99% of Elisabet's DNA. It was clear from the start she was a clone. Not trying to be rude. It was a cool theory

[@werdna55]

I like how this has an INKLING of probability in real life.

[@pyatig]

More than an inkling unfortunately

[@fredtott4684]

Who know, we might be living Zero Dawn from an event that happened 8000 years ago.

[@keny1555]

Biomass as fuel? are you kidding me? in what conceivable way is that ever a good idea?

[@aizen_world]

the writers of the game said that Ted Faro wanted to be the next tony stark of his age but sadly he doomed all of man

[@beastmotoz]

@@aizen_world I think the Government should've stopped him and didn't authorised FAS to build such war machines who would consume biomass as fuel

[@aizen_world]

@@beastmotoz he gave the government an offer that they couldn't say no to it, an army of robots that need to repair or fuel, i think the US government of the future could not say no to that kind of offer

[@beastmotoz]

@@aizen_world true I have thinking about how Aloy will even rebuild GAIA and ZD facility ? Since Faro purged Apollo and all the data is lost there's no resources or there's still a chance to retrieve the data from Apollo?

[@aizen_world]

@@beastmotoz since she used alpha to bring back lost video calls or her mom and him maybe she can do the samenfor apollo

[@syzorst]

WTF wipe out all life on the planet in just 15 months? Holy shit, these robots make the machines in the Matrix look like child's play. Even thought those machines dominated humanity, at least they gave a shred of mercy (via Matrix) but the robots in Zero Dawn is ridiculous. In a way they are like the robot version of The Flood from Halo.

[@grimsoncrow]

Yeah -Since they were nearly mindless, simply consuming everything. They had no need to personally kioll every human, since they destroyed the ecosphere and atmosphere.

[@hannahdavis5725]

Hell, they even give Skynet a run for their money.

[@azazel166]

It was humanity who made the world barren in the Matrix, they used nanomachines to cloud the sky to cut off the machines from getting their energy from the sun.

[@thecommentguy9380]

15 months if left unimpeded. We didn't know how much time did operation Enduring Victory bought Liz, but my God the pressure and desperation she must have felt while making the only hope for a revitalized Earth.

[@1ermejo4ever1]

They probably bought less than a month of time, barely enough to finish the bare minimum things needed for the project and for Gaia (with the alphas that had to remain in Gaia Prime instead of going to the refugee with their families), the remaining things were built and finished by Gaia herself

[@spaghettiupseti9990]

I think the game mentions it only gave them a few days of time, barely enough to get zero dawn operational

[@thecommentguy9380]

@@spaghettiupseti9990 unfortunately yeah. The entire operation was like throwing a bucket of water at a forest fire, as the droids were replicating faster than the combined armies could destroy. There were frighteningly little they all could do to even make the endless horde flinch

[@basbarbeque6718]

"I cannot in good conscience" A bit late for that buddy. and "You don't have to threaten me." She kinda literally did since he refused to sign initially

[@Mikhael_bureau]

You know what...if the second game is just torturing and killing a clone of Ted Faro, I'm in.

[@victoravila5575]

you can research and roast our real ted faros in the world, like all the oil and biomass fuels ceos

[@infectiousproduction812]

actually ............you might look for faro mission in forbiden west

[@sayantansarkar8685]

Well u got ur wish.. In a different way lol

[@eginl6311]

well.......

[@shelteredhorizon]

lol it’s even better….

[@vinceA3748]

This whole story was amazing. This interaction was fantastic. Two of the most brilliant minds on the planet. One with a moral compass and the other has none. Ted is the real villain in this whole story. Heck, he may be the one who reactivated Hades. Who's to say he didn't survive?

[@themonolith253]

Given the fact that his ultimate fate was never revealed, I would say there is a very high chance he is alive. He could have found a way to upload himself into a computer or something. The human race was pretty advanced by his time. We know that cloning was a thing thanks to Aloy herself, so he also might have been able to make copies of himself as well but with all memories intact. Considering he also very clearly lost his mind due to his guilty and basically erased the entire history of humanity before the Swarm under the pretence that the knowledge was a curse, its not a stretch to think he might have thought he needed to watch over the new world and erase it if he believed it was going to turn out like the old one. Plus, it really doesn’t seem likely that anyone else could have access or the knowledge to send that original signal that caused Gaia’s programs to go rouge in the first place. We also know that technology was so advanced that genetic locks were a thing, which adds further credibility to the theory that only Ted Faro himself could have issued such a fundamental command. I honestly can’t wait for the next game. I really hope they don’t just drop the story of fixing Gaia and finding out who sent the signal that originally corrupted her programs.

[@muchahonra2b]

Please Guerilla! If someone from the team is reading this, make it happen!!

[@vinceA3748]

@@muchahonra2b Totally. Wouldn't it be satisfying to finally get revenge on that clown and take him down?

[@TheKain202]

@@vinceA3748 Makes no sense. Faro isn't a villain. He's not malicious - his character flaw is recklessness and arrogance. Even his destruction of Apollo ain't a villainous act, in his mind, it's an attempt at atonement, no matter how misguided it really is. One borne out of guilt induced mental breakdown after being locked inside a bunker for months with nothing else to do but think and ponder how it's all his fault. The way his character is written, with all that fatalism he collapsed into after Elisabeth's death, it makes the most sense that he offs himself after killing the Alphas and purging Apollo.

[@vinceA3748]

@@TheKain202 I don't agree at all. He IS a villain. He kills the Alpha's and that doesn't make him a bad guy? It sure does. He also tried to destroy Liz Sobek after they had a falling out, in the early years. No, he is a villain. General Zod didn't consider himself a villain either. He just wanted to restore Krypton to greatness, and didn't matter to him if millions of people died in the process.

[@Malamockq]

5:00 I think that's proof that Elizabet knows the true nature of the glitch, and knows that Ted is directly responsible for it.

[@TheKain202]

Let's not get into conspiracy theories. The story is honestly better with the world ending by complete accident via a swarm glorified, self-replicating, weaponized Roombas.

[@Malamockq]

@@TheKain202 Don't denigrate people's ideas by calling them conspiracy theories please. That's extremely rude, and makes me believe you're probably a troll, especially when your account is totally empty. What you think is "better" for the story, has absolutely nothing to do with what the story is, and the story gives tons of clues as to there being more than what it appears to be. There absolutely was a cause to the glitch, it was not merely a glitch that happened accidentally, and this has been alluded to plenty of times.

[@TheKain202]

@@Malamockq Lmao, ever consider that one might make an account here in order to do stuff like be able to create playlists and like stuff to be able to pull that shit up later on a whim? Not everybody on this platform wants to be a content creator, in fact, 99,9% don't, Idiot. They're not trolls, nor is anyone who dismisses your baseless assertations a troll. I was actually going to engage you properly but after that pathetic tirade of you spewing butthurt, stalker'ish behavior(crawling someone's account, likely looking for dirt for ad-hominem, I mean... really???) and projecting like it's a fucking cinema, I ain't gonna bother because if this gem is anything to go by - it's clear from the outset that we're not gonna get anywhere with you acting like a spoiled brat. You're invested in a fictional story, I get it, but don't take it so personally as to go full ad-hominem straight outa' gate against people daring to disagree. Guess what, your headcanon isn't real.

[@sahirkhan846]

Ted WAS directly responsible for it. It wasn’t a glitch at all; the robots were using the features he had put in place. And he had no way to shut them down because he didn’t include one. The entire usage of the word ‘glitch’ is a way for Faro to shift blame. He built a line of killer robots that did exactly what they were supposed to do. It’s his fault.

[@Malamockq]

@@TheKain202 You're absolutely a troll. That's ok, I don't engage with trolls, especially ones that spout puerile ad hominem attacks because your IQ is too low to formulate a cogent argument.

[@ShadowIsatis]

I'm gonna have nightmares after this. Self replicating, self regeneration, Self evolving (adapting more lilkely), L33T counterhacking skills, and no off switch? There better be a DLC that lets you put the hurt on Ted Faro. I could shoot Tim in the face from ME3, I could destroy Skynet in Terminator, I could punch Agent Smith in face in Matrix Revolutions. There better be some form of retribution towards this asshole in a future DLC.

[@DialgaMarine3]

The eeriest part about this is imagining yourself in this reality and having to accept humanity is literally over.

[@tylerchurch1152]

Horizon Zero Dawn is a great game, because for me, what gets me to enjoy it, is when i stop for a second with whatever im doing, whether im hunting robots, working with Sylens, upgrading my skills, whatever im doing, i can stop and take a look around me. I see the world laid bare, desolated and destroyed and then reborn. I like this game, cause it makes me feel for the world every step of the way.

[@Quest118]

This was the moment I feel in love with this game. Everything about this one scene could be made into a 30 min video no issue.

[@NyuuMikuru1]

Goes up there to see what’s. Then goes down after and then finds out that there is a powercell at the very top. “AAAAUUUUUGGGGGHHHH!”

[@Freak80MC]

I just hope to god if we ever actually get to the point of being able to build self replicating robots, that someone has the foresight from media such as this to realize how apocalyptic of an idea it could be and makes sure to put a backdoor in to stop all problems before they can ever get out of hand.

[@Malamockq]

Fiction isn't realistic. If anything, stuff like this makes people overly paranoid unrealistically which could have a deleterious effect on robot development.

[@TheCorrodedMan]

Malamockq Found Ted faro👆

[@Stupiddumbmanditoryhandle]

@@Malamockq i dunno. The faro plague happened in 2064. Think of everything that was science fiction 43 years ago (1978) that exists today. Try explaining an iphone to someone in the 70s. Any sufficiently advanced technology is equivalent to magic. - Arthur C. Clarke

[@Malamockq]

@@Stupiddumbmanditoryhandle I don't know what your point is. If your point is that we can't predict future developments, incidents or technology, then how can you predict that robots will go out of control and destroy humanity? The only thing informing you of that possibility is a video game and Hollywood movies.

[@thefran901]

Thing is, even if most people are reasonable and smart enough to be cautious about this, all it takes is one powerful idiot to develop a potentially apocalyptic AI in order for something like this to happen... it only takes one.

[@shevangomis6432]

This kind of foreshadows the human future

[@gabe_liu9095]

i hope it wont

[@dking7334]

“The real cause of the glitch” that’s always stood out to me as something more then just FAS and Faro’s personal liability.

[@markclagett5959]

Exactly, I’ve always wondered if that line indicated something more, or was Liz threatening to make Faro’s name mud.

[@a0point0of0view1]

@@markclagett5959 either seem possible, people finding out who's at fault would be pretty bad for someone who's been heralded as "The Man who saved the world" to be the villian, if it turned out the glitch was somewhat purposeful eg some robots were meant to go rogue and blast up some rival company and that let them break free that would be a lot worse

[@A.Saans304]

There are a lot of fan theories out there. I'm led to believe that Deep Silver, the rogue AI, helped Faro design the robots and intentionally created the glitch that severed the chain of command to the humans.

[@lambo2655]

If only they hadn’t put in the Biomass protocol, they could have eventually defeated the swarm of bots when they ran out of fuel to replicate but then we wouldn’t have had this fantastic game with a fascinating story, character and breathtaking world to explore filled with mysteries to uncover.

[@rudyjuarez4535]

Ted: "God forgive me." Me: "Man you don't like what happens to you in the sequel."

[@Cerberusballs]

I’ve yet to reach Thebes in the sequel. That comment was a bit of a spoiler.

[@skankhunt-wy9wy]

I've heard several people say they did almost zero side quests in this game. They may as well have not even played at all.

[@bioticgod4940]

Gerald Broflovski

[@zero1188]

Does side quests reveal more?

[@ru_gamerandotaku2431]

​@@zero1188 surprisingly some side quest do I've been doing a second playthrough and some side quest actually reveals some stuff not overly major stuff but still fleshes out the world even more, there's also a achievement for doing certain side quests and getting some NPC's to help you at the final fight at meridian but in short some side quest do have some lore while some just flesh out the characters, aloy and the world more

[@adambarnes49]

This game is really interesting because Hades and the swarm were actually doing exactly what they programmed to,going rogue in this case just meant that there was no way to shut them down or control them

[@faeandal2824]

He didn’t learn his lesson at all did he?

[@brahmantyoihsan5938]

He did, in a way... He insisted to have a master override installed in GAIA Prime; a decision which ultimately saved humanity. Without this master override, Aloy wouldn't be able to stop HADES from reactivating the Faro Plague.

[@StrongandGrand]

@@brahmantyoihsan5938 There's a saying. "Even a broken clock is right twice a day." Also, GAIA agreed with him, which is why Elisabet went ahead with it.

[@dikastederook6380]

@@brahmantyoihsan5938 Probably the only really intelligent thing he ever did.

[@TheAkashicTraveller]

@@StrongandGrand Of course then he had a master master overide and destroyed APOLLO potentially dooming everyone. Especially after what we found out happens in Sirius.

[@timsherman1245]

Ted : god forgive me God : ...gee are you sure about that ted? My spoiled brad named Lucifer down there is preparing a legendary torture for all eternity TEd

[@static2397]

Holy shit you lowkey predicted his fate in forbidden west

[@GS195]

Yea man, he is!

[@shroomer3867]

The hells opened up so wide, that they tortured him before he even got there

[@kaosdrachen]

"And I'm signing off on ALL of it."

[@臺灣龍]

I think ted faro created the glitch to be called the man who saved the world once more

[@knuclear200x]

I love that "it's the stone age but also THE FUTURE" plot twist

[@davidmedford1166]

Love this game so much. Definitely one of my all time favorites.

[@NeetuSingh-gl1ue]

This guy, Ted Faro, is probably my most hated villain I've ever seen in a video game. It's almost surprising how the developers made him so delusional. He made a line of robots (corruptors, deathbringers and Horuses to be exact) which are specifically made for killing and named them "peacekeepers". "I cannot in good conscience sign that, Liz" oh fuck off. The writers really gave us a villain to be remembered, kudos to them.

[@tenkenroo]

Elizebet and herres put in so much work for something they didn’t even know would work out in the end.

[@gameplaynia5021]

Man this game had one of the best story's ever

[@pea5062]

This. Is only of the best scens in gaming history. I still feel visibly sickened by Ted Faro every time. It takes a lot to get me. This got me good holy shit

[@jragon9215]

Could machines like this really end the world?

[@JorkyKE]

I am very curious what is the real cause of the glitch. Perhaps he wanted to have power over the entire planet. The robots would only listen to him or something...

[@CuriousMind477]

As with most things in this games story, it isn't that simple. Such good writing

[@wilhammartins9898]

one of the best scenes from the history of gaming. That was one hell of a plot, I was so immersed when playing this, the time flies...

[@tharothrong3964]

I wonder why won't Ted just delete part of Apollo that has the record of him rather than the entire AI

[@dikastederook6380]

Because he was overcome by the guilt about being the man who wiped out humanity and turned the Earth into Hell. He lost his sanity and believed knowledge from mankind would only push future generations to repeat mistakes. It's true in some ways, there will always be people who will try to use knowledge like weapons, nuclear bombs, slavery, etc, to their advantages. And also because he didn't want to be remembered as the God of Stupidity (because at this point, he is so dumb he reaches godly levels).

[@TheKain202]

Because at that point he no longer cared about that shit. He suffered a very obvious mental breakdown and collapsed into fatalism. In his fatalism he believed that it was human nature at work, and that if given the totality of Mankind's knowledge, Humanity 2.0 would inevitably do the same shit sooner rather than later, but with no ZD safety net this time around.

[@Jpx0999]

​@@dikastederook6380koalemus(greek god of stupidity) would be proud of him

[@harmonetheanimationaddict4419]

Elizabet is ma girl.

[@dr1ftz298]

This helped me so much because my game had a glitch so I would not hear what they said

[@Nerwik]

they had all the technology to recreate bioshere, couldnt they create one on mars and live there?

[@voidedsouls6638]

the travel and natural resources like metals and facilities would have been impossible to carry there...

[@DartLuke]

time was the problem. There was actually colonizing space ship, but i blow up. Another mystery of game

[@BlackWolf-pk8tx]

@@DartLuke zero dawn game mentioned odyssey??? Where or when?

[@Jpx0999]

They tried,the spaceship was destroyed before it could reach space

[@dazzaMusic]

We still don’t know what the truth is what was Ted holding back?

[@noahmeme2]

I need to replay this game before the sequel.

[@AlexAlex-ry7oc]

Plot twist the unknown signal was faro's

[@beastmotoz]

I doubt Faro would still be alive at that time lol, the unknown signal has to be from Odyssey or maybe from Apollo. I don't think there could be any other source which can do that

[@withoutname9575]

@@beastmotoz AI can't make a glitch

[@Dramatic_Gaming]

Just pointing out two things here: 1) Cloning was very much a thing in ZD's time. Just look at Aloy. 2) Ted had a private bunker with who-knows-what in it.

[@worldsendace]

@@Dramatic_Gaming yep if we See Faro in Part 2 He was maybe cyrogenic Frozen (they Talk about that too) or He cloned himself to. Maybe with a mindcopy from his Last Clones over centuries. The Game has set up to be a Trilogy. So we only know 1/3 so far.

[@TheKain202]

@@Dramatic_Gaming Faro was also completely fatalistic and acted with more than just signs of being borderline suicidal the last time we saw him. He probably had a roman bath after purging Apollo if anything.

[@muchahonra2b]

TED: whatever you say, I'll do LIS: K. * Later * LIS: Sign this TED: No. LIS: Do it or I'm snitching. TED: OMG OK JEEZ YOU DON'T HAVE TO THREATEN ME

[@midgerm]

the fero plague, the robotic version of halo's flood

[@devontejefferson6520]

WHY WOULD YOU CREATE SUCH AN UNSTOPPABLE FORCE

[@dingodyno9016]

GREED

[@quietcourage1133]

It's all about those benjamins

[@brahmantyoihsan5938]

That was exactly the point. Faro wanted to ensure that his robots would dominate the market; and they did.

[@voidedsouls6638]

@@brahmantyoihsan5938 Oh yeah they absolutely killed the competition!

[@brahmantyoihsan5938]

@@voidedsouls6638 To put it mildly...and literally.

[@Beerbottles123]

Has the actual cause of the swarm's glitch ever mentioned in Forbidden West?

[@ДмитрийКац-з5ф]

No

[@anonymousanonymity2815]

The fall of humanity in this game is very similar to a book series I read a while back called avogadro corp

[@Scarletraven87]

Ted Faro. Somewhere in our latin roots Faro means Lighthouse. You might remember the building is some sort of tower... yes it was a lighthouse. It's not the first time. How many times has someone called Earth Terra?

[@tenkenroo]

I like that even in the midst of the apocalypse Ted still insists they are “peacekeepers “

[@noisetheory1780]

"God forgive me..." Lmao bro.

[@matthewvenman9456]

My only question is: why the fuck did Theodore not think that the tech used in the Chariot line could go AWOL and create secure company killcodes with the same encryption as the Chariots. With a physical Key that only few had access to? (I understand the reasons given to us. But why?)

[@wais_45]

He's an idiot lol so much smarts yet him and his team made the dumbest mistake.

[@migueldiaz3856]

Also just like in real life. If you build a back door, even if it’s secured people can break in through it. It’s the same reason Apple doesn’t want build one

[@raevar9779]

Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn’t stop to think if they should. -Jurassic Park

[@DartLuke]

@@migueldiaz3856 There is small difference between mobile phone and self-replicating killer machines

[@1990-w1l]

@@migueldiaz3856 every high tech military equipment have backdoor in where only Manufacture have that backdoor key

[@DDragon1226]

One thing I just noticed when rewatching this today 2 years after completing the game. In the final record, Lis said "Don't sign, and I will make sure they and everyone else on this planet knows the real cause of the glitch", which may imply she found out exactly how the glitch was created and who exactly created it. Now, we know that something else woke Hades up via a signal transmission, I have always assumed that it's probably the Faro robot themselves figuring out about Gaia and launched a kind of counter attack, which now I think back doesn't really make sense as they are waiting for foods to eat so there's no way they would want to reverse the terraforming system. But what if the one who sent the signal is Ted himself? We know that he killed the Alphas because they knew too much and also knew how to rebuild Apollo, but what if he purged Apollo to conceal a greater secret? In a conversation, Aloy and Sylens discussed the cryo-stasis theory while talking about the possibility of Lis being alive in this future, and we know she's not but what if Ted is, what if he found a way to preserve himself, or at least his mind, and wake up in the future seeing all this, unsatisfied, and tried to reverse it. He expressed a disdain for the way humans lived and killed each other while facilitate progress in his conversation with the Alphas, and he probably was a great technician himself, able to build the backdoor with Omega privilege without any of the Alphas knowing, so I think it's not very far fetch that he might be the cause of both the past and the present catastrophes. Can't wait for Fobidden West to release.

[@sahirkhan846]

I think she meant that Faro’s stupidity caused the glitch because he didn’t put in a backdoor to control the robots. The robots are built on powerful AI; they’re obviously going to self-improve and use the ‘biomass as fuel’ option. Ted screwed up by not including a way to shut them down. It wasn’t really a ‘glitch’ at all. As software engineers say, ‘it’s not a bug, it’s a feature’. Elisabet got him to sign by telling him that she’d reveal it was HIS fault, not some unfortunate and random glitch.

[@DDragon1226]

@@sahirkhan846 yup but that still doesn't explain who or what sent the signal that woke Hades up.

[@sahirkhan846]

@@DDragon1226 True but that’s not what Lis is referring to at least. And imo it makes no sense for Faro to have sent either signal. The first one caused him to destroy the world (ruin his own life as well as everyone else’s). The second one almost destroyed it for good. The subordinate functions (when they work) are supposed to make sure flora+fauna+oceans+atmosphere are restored, the Faro Plague stays deactivated, the humans are established, that education is available, and that HADES doesn’t destroy the world unnecessarily. Its not in Faro’s best interest to disrupt this. Why would he want a destroyed and dead universe? That’s why I think he didn’t send the signal. He has nothing to gain from the subordinate functions going rogue.

[@xHoneybreath]

@@sahirkhan846 But they already knew that. Elisabet was currently on her way to a meeting with General Harres and the rest of the join chiefs and she told them the specifics. They knew that the robots couldn't be hacked in because of the encryption, they knew that they were self-replicating, they knew that they consumed bio-mass as fuel, they also knew that the glitch severed chain of command. Furthermore, it's not like she could hide that it's the Faro bots that are affected, what with the big fat logo on them pointing out who they belong too. The plague was referred to as "the faro plague" too. Elisabet was threatening him with something else.

[@sahirkhan846]

@@xHoneybreath No that’s not accurate, there’s no evidence that the generals knew that the ‘glitch’ was actually just the robots doing what they were programmed to do and not having a backdoor. Ted had initially presented it to Lis as something something unfortunate that could have happened to anyone. Lis very quickly saw through this. There’s no evidence that she told anyone else this. General Herres talks about the end of the world and humanity’s role in stopping. He never once blames Faro for causing the end of the world. General Herres seemed to be aware that they couldn’t hack the robots but he didn’t seem to be aware that this was because Faro specifically locked himself out. He knew that the robots had gone rogue but he seemed to believe it was just bad luck. That’s why Lis is able to threaten Faro with the truth.

[@tyler_bt3326]

This was the big pin drop moment for me in this game. It’s been a long time since a game has actually made me stop and go “what the actual fuck” with the story. Very dark and very well written all round

[@THOR--l_l]

We can take a second to recognize the incredible brain that Elizabeth Sobeck had. It only took her 1 day to come up with the zero down project.

[@jedingham1728]

I've never hated a villan of a video game or movie more than Ted Faro, that was until I explored Thebes. Then i was more disturbed by him.

[@93MANIAC]

I'm really sorry but I can't take the scenes featuring Ted seriously anymore after seeing how the closest thing that we have to Ted Faro has been behaving lately seriously the characters from Horizon do not know how good they have it

[@azazel166]

We should be very concerned, or even better, shun him completely, but that's easier said than done when a large number of people are absent minded.

[@NastyAngel]

i like how the automated voice speak

[@midgerm]

also, some may not realize it, but teds still being an ass even during his conversations with elizabeth "sign it i cant sign that" "that, i cannot in good concience, sign that" "jesus, liz....you dont have to threaten me....i'll sign.." yes, yes she did have to threaten you ted, you wouldnt have owned up to paying the bill to try and fix your own mess otherwise

[@mezmurati2191]

This story kinda have that same vibe as Nier

[@GS195]

5:32 Ted Faro: God forgive me. God: Nay! Thou destroyeth Mine Creation! Mine Creation that is good! Giveth Mine regards to Lucifer!

[@Ted_Faro]

You're wrong

[@tobbse4ever]

I Love Sobecks listing and how Ted get more defensive with every one, like a child😂

[@krolik1157]

Look, I'm just saying that if someone else is paying for my lunch and that I just realized that same someone had ended all life on earth, I am going to make that one heck of a delicious lunch.

[@marcinxsinski]

Ted Faro is Morron propably some final copy is in someone nas server out of his control only need find it

[@Noctis425]

Ted: "God forgive me" after playing through this game, I thought he was a complete joke caused the destruction of the world as well as the future. And in Forbidden West he was just as bad may he NEVER rest in peace for his actions.

[@deanlawson3610]

Ted Faro: God forgive me. God: NO!

[@Ted_Faro]

Yes...

[@petsgamesandrobots438]

"The real cause of the glitch"- was this ever revealed in Forbidden West?

[@ДмитрийКац-з5ф]

NO

[@ZenTunE-]

Man, all I hear is Chloe when Elisabet speaks, guess Ashly Burch changed her voice a bit for Elisabet and made it sound like Chloe from LiS lol :D Aloy has a different tone so there it doesn't stand out as much :p

[@TomFromMars]

Aloy in Zero Dawn: speaking politely to machines as if they are people. Aloy in Forbidden West: ALPHA PRIME, merge now!

[@bradpara]

And that should’ve been the end of Ted’s involvement in Zero Dawn, seriously.

[@dionte300]

the crazy thing about them being self replicating was all ted being Greedy for more money

[@JasonsVideoGamesSource]

Indeed. Ted Faro was an evil mofo.

[@white0thunderwhite0thunder71]

Ted: You don't have to threaten me... Sobek: Yes I do. I wouldn't if I believed for a single second I didn't have to twist your arms, your legs, AND YOUR BALLS to get you to do the right thing for the first time in your miserable life.

[@doryaman]

4:27 Was Sobeck sitting on the table?

[@gamerreturns9466]

It was a hologram

[@doryaman]

@@gamerreturns9466 Right... Thanks.

[@gamerreturns9466]

No worries

[@miliba]

Yes, her upper body got stuck and attached itself to the table

[@1ermejo4ever1]

@@doryaman She was talking from a VTOL, so she was seating in the vehicle and the hologram displayed her on the table. The device she is 'sitting' on is most likely a device for holographic communication

[@wcbert]

Enjoyed the game and, most of all, the story. The only part of the story. This is my only problem with the story. Elisabet should have come clean with the Joint Chiefs, and they would have seen to it a short trial and quick execution. I could next connect the dots why Elisabet protected the man that caused the planet's destruction. Later on in the story, I am was proven correct that Ted should have paid for his crimes.

[@jacobsaunders1092]

She needed teds resources

[@Aurora-313]

@@jacobsaunders1092 Have the military assume control of all assets under some fictional emergency forfeiture clause/law and use those resources to fund the project that way.

[@kaosdrachen]

@@Aurora-313 That would've generated a whole lot of confusion and inefficiency even if they secured control directly, plus mass panic when the word got out, and they only had fifteen months to get Zero Dawn done.

[@Babiqb]

WHAT WAS THE REASON????? WHAT WAS THE REASON FOR THE GLITCH??? we still don't know T.T

[@Aurora-313]

From what I gather from context clues? Extremely shonky, poorly designed programming. Even their basic cleaning drones were haphazardly made.

[@MichaelMiller-bs3tz]

Imagine being Ted Farro. Imagine realizing you caused all life on Earth to die.

[@HanithSVK]

Can someone explain me, why they couldn't just drop nukes on those robots while they were still in low numbers? If i am not wrong, nuke would be more than capable of annihilating them(if laws of physics were still a thing) and even if not, after nuke explodes, there should be EMP strong enough to disable those bots). They could lose half of the planet, but half of the planet is still better than none planet at all. Especially after they knew, they have literally nothing to lose.

[@greenhat8978]

One: the robots were designed to be immune to emps.... or at least that they would only work for a few seconds, two: nuclear was actually proposed but given how far the Swarm had spread they would essentially have to Nuke every continent and over 95% of all inhabited territory.... those that survived would not have lived long

[@coltonwilliams4153]

Ted waited too long to ask for help. By the time Elisabet looked at the problem, it was far too widespread to stop with any number of nukes.

[@quantumbun3140]

They also even tried using nukes as well, but there were too many

[@azazel166]

Nukes do not tell friend from foe, and even if they worked, the robots would just make more copies of themselves.

[@noeraldinkabam]

Horizon Zero Dawn playes outin the year 2989.

[@aria794]

Does anyone know where I can find the music in the Soundtrack?

[@superdoctor14]

Can we all just tak a moment to appreciate the sheer loonasy of giving unhackable robots biomass as a fuel source. Not a specific type mind you oh no no no no no. But just... you know any and all biomass everywhere. It's just so far from a good idea. This reaches the grim dark sort of humour of a company being stupid

[@jragon9215]

They are just machines, could they really pose that much of a threat?

[@kaosdrachen]

There's a corporate memo somewhere in the ruins talking about a PR disaster because a Chariot line was filmed chewing on a pod of porpoises.

[@ObsidianAngiris]

Wait wait wait, “real cause of the glitch, so Faro caused the glitch on purpose?

[@kettch777]

I can think of several options they didn't consider. They could have turned the rest of the Faro robots against the rogue swarm. Kept building them and hopefully destroyed the rogues. They could have evacuated to a space station in orbit or on the Moon enough people to act as caretakers for Zero Dawn instead of just leaving it all to automation. They could have tried to evacuate to Mars enough people for a viable colony. They could have used nukes in the atmosphere sufficient to create a devastating EMP shockwave that would disable all robots on the surface. Or built an undersea colony in deep ocean. There were options beside Zero Dawn the way it played out.

[@ru_gamerandotaku2431]

While I see and like what you mean I think there's some factors that are limiting them for one you're first idea of the unaffected faro bots fight the affected one is much more dangerous and risky as at any moment if they were to do that I think the rogue AI would have already hacked and turned on it's allies. As for the evacuation plan to head to space I think that with the time they have they probably won't be able to build a ship big enough and powerful enough to escape the earth as it would be heavy because of foods, drinking water and other necessities and since rockets usually launch outside that would just be a big target for the swarm and I doubt they don't have land to air missiles or long range artillery and with all the hardware a rocket has having it be hacked is also a possibility. And finally as for the sea colony I think it's also a matter of time since again 15 months would be way too short to build a sea colony one big enough that it could house atleast a country or at best a town plus if they were to go that route the biggest factor for that is it's only a matter of time before the apocalypse happens as it is said in the game the world became so uninhabitable that the only way to go outside is with a suit of armor (the one Liz was wearing and most likely the shield armor you get near the end via side quest) I doubt any filtration system can filter whatever gunk happened to the air and pump it into the colonies but if we do say the filtration system can filter the air into something breathable I doubt it will last long as again it's gonna be filtering very polluted and most likely very toxic air. As such I personally think that Liz did the right choice with zero dawn the only wrong choice was keeping faro alive and given omega access (which he most likely did himself when Liz wasn't available) and ofcourse ending the alpha's and deleting Apollo just to cover his mistakes Edit: as for the EMP one I think that would be a double edge sword that has atleast a chance but it's far too risky as blasting a lot of EMP's would not only disable the bots but also disable a majority of the weapons the military used such as a railgun, tanks, fighter planes and many more even regular vehicles and possibly even some power armor (again the one we see Liz wear and the armor you can get) and who's to say that they'd be actually shut down as I doubt every single machine would be affected plus we could also say that maybe when they made the bots they thought of emp shielding and they're all equipped with shields that are able to withstand a certain amount of EMP blasts

[@phenomgaming3245]

It played out this way cuz its an sjw story and the main theme was always meant to be “man makes very bad decisions” and women fixes the plan. The story is shackled by this since theres no deviation away from it through both games

[@withoutname9575]

It will plot twist Ally is half Liz and Ted lol 99:47% that is weird

[@warriorcurio]

99.47% makes sense, since she has the same dna as elisabet but mutations in the cells occur over the lifetime, and elisabet was a lot older than aloy, as well as growing up in a different environment, it makes sense that they aren’t the exact same, more like identical twins

[@duncanw5644]

I actually love it

[@RoGameReview]

ted ed?

[@trvth1s]

My issue is with self replicating, sure it could happen but the issue isn't the biomass, how do the self replicating machines get the metals to self replicate, you need a rich assortment of minerals, metals, and biomass to make war machines. I know the ''metal devil'' machine had arms which seem to be able to mine, but you would need a rich assortment of natural resources to self replicate in a ''precipitous'' level. TBH, Faro plague in real life are humans, the human plague. The extinction has been happening for a while now. KT extinction was in an instant but most other mass extinctions took tens of thousands of years. I do like how the robot problem in the game is not an AI problem, but rather a glitch on an unstoppable weapon system problem.

[@aviniciussouza100]

Because It's fiction. You don't need to explain EVERYTHING that happens in the story. It would be pointless and tiring.

[@LucDutra92]

Maybe parts of fallen Scarabs and Kopeshes are brought back into the closest Horus unit for it to build brand new machines. Even in the post apocalyptic world, machines like Glinthawks and Scavengers do that. I've seen parts of machines being processed in cauldrons. Also, given their massive size, Horuses possibly also carry lots of spare parts and materials into the battlefield.

[@thecommentguy9380]

They may not have the resources to create armies after armies. But we have seen the titans sized robots. Those must have been the main firepower to scour Earth clean of life.

[@drksdr]

Refined materials were everywhere! Buildings, cars, homes, infrastructure, etc all full of refined metals and electronics they could convert or probably straight up repurpose. Von Neumann machines are scary as hell.

[@J117-t2g]

Yesh as others pointed out, materials are everywhere. Furthermore, it is so far into the future that creating a super complex AI only took months, they probably had advanced manufacturing processes.

[@quiet3455]

The robots consume biomatter.. I’m taking a guess that that means the robots are consuming humans? Animals? Trees? Other plant and animal life? And they’re transferring it into fuel? But then how is there so much life in the world?

[@maxwellheadroom8335]

Princess Wolfy This isn’t the whole story. Play the game. You’ll find out the rest.

[@quiet3455]

Maxwell Headroom I did. I’m just tying to figure out what kinda biomatter that the robots consume

[@maxwellheadroom8335]

Princess Wolfy All organic matter. ALL of it.

[@ty1arken]

Actually play the game. Zero Dawn and GAIA re populated the Earth, humans, animals, and plants were created from stored embryos and seeds using the subfunction "Eleuthia" and the re population facility in Eleuthia 9 in All Mother Mountain.

[@jerielgallofin]

Maybe you skipped the cut scenes that's why you didn't know

[@serrahighsfinest]

As good as the writing is. Self replication is a pretty stupid business decision. What good is selling a chariot if it can self replicate if damaged? Better to leave the ability for return business.