Viewers Mistakes #1

[@tiggydorset9041]

The red guy at the crossing... I too was fixated on him, just watching the video.

[@toxictony4230]

Ditto. Have encountered a few phone zombies, mostly in car parks, but out on the street as well. You really have to keep your wits about you these days. From the pedestrian point of view, when using any crossings it always a good idea to make sure the traffic has stopped before stepping, or cycling out.

[@mjudec]

The guy staring at his phone makes a slight move and even before that I'd clocked him and expected him to be the danger. People would be wise not to hang about crossing they're not going to use. Anyway on to the cyclist. Driver should've slowed (if even for red hoodie phone zombie) which would've made this less of an issue, but how close behind the car going the other way does he come out? I don't know that I'd go into a crossing when the boot of a car is still clearing. Guaranteed that oncoming traffic hasn't seen you.

[@Orion3T]

Loitering near a crossing with no immediate intent to cross is ignorant, annoying and increases risk.

[@shadowstar68]

What I get from the replies here is that most of you are missing the point. Whilst the cyclist is in the wrong here, the issue is that most people are fixating on the guy with the phone instead of scanning the whole crossing, myself included. The guy with the phone isn't moving, so he's less of the issue here, but we need to be aware of people on BOTH sides of the crossing, not just our side.

[@somerandomguywastaken]

Bro I saw Ur comment beforehand, and STILL fixated on the guy as well. That was a horrible situation all around

[@davidjones332]

That last one is definitely an idiot moment, and I've done it before when I was much younger. One car seems to be dawdling, so you pass it, then you think "If I keep my foot down I can get the lot of them". Before you know it you are passing side-turnings where anything might have emerged, and then you meet someone coming the other way. If you scare yourself badly enough you never try it again!

[@burgersnchips]

I've done the same, overtaking a string of cars following a horse box on a windy road. Probably close to 10 years ago now. Misjudged it and had to swerve violently back over to narrowly miss an oncoming car. If I recall correctly I drove like an elderly gentleman the rest of the way through fear.

[@fredmercury1314]

7:03 I think there were several gaps in traffic there that were plenty big enough for the cammer to move over. I think they just didn't want to because they were being a road warrior.

[@Mort221]

That was my thought exactly the moment I saw it. After they passed the white SUV, plenty big enough gap to tuck in, let the green car go and then move back out but the cammer has the same mentality of way too many people. "I'm doing the speed limit and there's a car in the left lane going a little slower a mile up the road. Therefore I am overtaking."

[@paulcollyer801]

I cant disagree that they had opportunities to pull in earlier. I have had similar & worse drivers come up behind. If I cant leave a second in front & behind, I’m not pulling in. I’ve had a few go for an undertake after I’m indicating!

[@ibs5080]

My thoughts too. Personally I would have moved back to the left lane in between any one of those long gaps (preferably the first one) to let the green VW past and then if safe moved back out to complete the rest of my overtakes. I like my driving to be drama free.

[@eurosonly]

I paid my taxes for this road to be built and I'm gonna use it all damn it.

[@PedroConejo1939]

@@paulcollyer801 I've had people try to pass me on the left because I don't want to pull in immediately in front of an HGV. I often come back to the German standard: you are required to pull over in no more than 20 seconds if you're not in the process of overtaking another vehicle. That gives careful drivers plenty of time to leave a safe gap but also mean you can't just stay out there indefinitely. There's no point in having an angry driver behind you any longer than is entirely necessary, in fact it can be downright dangerous. Imagine how often on their journey they get triggered by people 'holding them up'. By the time they get directly behind me, they can be a ticking timebomb.

[@TaeKwonDaz]

I always enjoy learning how to be a better driver. Lots of respect for those that sent these clips in. Thankyou Ashley for the work you do to help keep our roads safer!

[@Ep1cure]

I remember an old quote (or at least the gist), can't remember who it was attributed to though: An average person learns from experience, a wise person from everyone and everything, and an idiot already knows the answers.

[@davesinclair4749]

Very true

[@lionhead123]

i knew that

[@lwo7736]

​@@lionhead123haha good one

[@rayman3300]

The green car with the person throwing the bottle,highlights where we are at as a society and it won't be getting better anytime soon !

[@David_D.]

German car - check Private plate - check Front number plate moved to dashboard - check Trying to bully their way past other vehicles - check The stereotypical cockmobile driver. 🙄🙄

[@klausbinn777]

@@David_D. Well, yes, but did they have one of those Nürburgring stickers on the back?

[@David_D.]

@@klausbinn777 Good question! 🤔🤔

[@manchegocheese997]

It doesn't.

[@AJPemberton]

On the bright side, at least we are going off to rape and pillage the neighbouring village like we used to. Society has got a LOT better over the last few centuries.

[@ibs5080]

At around 6:04, yes just as Ash pointed out, I reckon the cammer locked on to the bloke leaning forward in red thinking they might cross and when it was apparent they weren't, decided it was ok to proceed without fully checking right to left movements. Another lesson to be learned from this is when you are pedestrian (which I'm pretty sure includes most of us!) don't hang around a pedestrian crossing if you don't actually intend to cross...and focus on your surroundings, not on your phone! Another thing with this clip: I suspect there will be a few comments saying the cyclist should not have been cycling across the crossing and instead dismount. That may be true but as a motorist, you still have to pay attention to and react to this sort of thing. You can't just carry on and mow them down!

[@andrewnorris5415]

Yeah exactly. We re so used to driving in "auto" mode and taking prompts our subconscious has learnt. We must always try to ID and scan all possible areas where people/cars could come from and learn all possible signs - like the light of the car emerging from behind the parked truck. The pedestrians crossing also possibly made a similar mistake - they were prompted by the landrover who stopped for them for thought it was safe to cross - and so did not bother to check the other side. Of course a switched on driver can compensate for their mistake and save people getting injured. Accidents are often a combo of mistakes and lack of alertness/picking up cues, even if only one party is officially at fault.

[@wibbley1]

Tufty taught me to stop at a crossing and wait for the traffic to stop. It seems now pedestrians and even worse, cyclists, just walk straight out onto a crossing without even checking the vehicle has seen them and is far enough back to stop safely. Cyclists move far faster than pedestrians, increasing the risk of them getting squished. It should also be noted this was not an official crossing, the road markings were very worn and there were no orange flashing beacons. The warning sign was at the crossing, not further back to give the motorist advance warning.

[@kenbrown2808]

true that the cyclist didn't exactly cover themselves in glory, either. but yes, I said in my own comment that when in a car park you have to remind yourself to pay attention everybody, because ti is so easy to get careless.

[@DavidJones-lz4io]

Cyclist wrong, but I would rather stop without injury/death on my hands, as would we all.👍

[@ditch3827]

@@wibbley1 Still a crossing though and still not a good idea to hit pedestrians and cyclists while they are crossing.

[@grahamnutt8958]

Cracking compilation which proves that you can learn from other people's mistakes. Those who submitted their clips clearly have learned something. Stay safe out there.

[@GodmanchesterGoblin]

Seconded. This is a really good basis for a series. We can all learn something here.

[@grahamnutt8958]

@@GodmanchesterGoblin Respect 👊👍 and thx 4 reply.

[@ire923]

Thanks for sharing my clip at @6:18, I'm pretty disappointed with myself. I was in lane 2 as I was catching everyone in lane 1. At the start of the video, there is an Audi running the same speed as me along side in lane 1. I could of backed off and fell behind him but I seen that we were catching slower traffic ahead so he slowed and I pulled passed him. When I did spot the green car's indicator, I did move over but it was actually tricky to see. I actually thought it was just the bumps in the road causing his headlamps to slightly blink at me. After I moved to lane 1, the green car moved along side me. He was shouting something, I was waving my hand forward for him to go ahead and I was shouting 'go on'. I lost concentration on the cars in front and ended up tailgating. I should of just ignored him and focused on the cars in front and slowed down. The trucker was distracted by the commotion with the green car sat behind him along side hence he moved over to the hard shoulder a little bit. To be honest, when I pulled into lane 1, I was hoping to the green car would just go past and be gone. I'd move back over and continue my journey. The Audi (from @6:44) I overtook earlier moved behind the green car after we passed him at the start of the clip. While green car was along side me, the Audi now in lane 2 behind it flashed his lights at the green car telling him to go on as he was now holding cars up. Thankfully the green car shot off. I think the clip was cut but I overtook the truck, slowed down and I think I stayed in lane 1 for a few minutes to cool off. I didn't expect to see the green car later when I moved back over to lane 2 thinking he was gone. When the bottle hit my car, I immediately moved over to check for damage on my car as well as follow him to ask wtf. Poor choice I know. I was frustrated about something else that day and I just cracked when this guy boxed me in. Thanks for the comments and feedback, I can only learn from it and move on.

[@Stettafire]

Thank you for sharing it with us, that was very brave of you

[@ibs5080]

In the first clip, in addition to all the clues Ashley mentioned, any time that traffic in one lane is stopped for some "strange and unforseable" reason I am immediately on high alert. I do have to wonder why the HGV on the main road even stopped to let the car out, especially stopping so close to the exit that they should have realized they'd be severely blocking the view for the car turning right onto the main road. And it's not even as though traffic was heavy on the main road to warrant such a courtesy stop. Incidentally, the second car (a silver van) that emerged from the brightly lit forecourt and turned left didn't appear to have any lights on. This is a fairly common occurance to watch out for.

[@laceandwhisky]

Car was probably part in the road hence why HGV gave way

[@marklittler784]

Yeah if a vehicle alongside suddenly starts braking seriously consider braking with it especially when it's one severely restricting your view, could be a kid or dog

[@Cohen.the.Worrier]

Would have been interesting to see if the lorry needed to let them pass because he had to turn left, or if he was just gallantly helping them into an accident.

[@kenbrown2808]

@@marklittler784 in that same vein, the expression "where balls bounce, little kids follow" saved a kid some harm from my car some years back.

[@goblin5422]

Spot On

[@katierscott8771]

As an equestrian, thankyou so much for including that horse clip and perfectly analysed. One additional tip, ensure you make eye contact with the rear-most horse rider. They will most likely be an experienced rider on a sensible horse and be communicating with the rest of the horses. Indeed you see the girl on the pony trotting forward, she, or the adult, have spotted the gateway and thus is trotting to get into the gateway to let the driver past. Horses riders are by and large very considerate, if you give us a few moments we will do all we can to delay your journey for as short a time as possible. Due to the nature of our riding which are very switched on when riding on roads, give us time, we WILL do everything we can to delay your journey for as short a time as possible. Overall the driver did not do badly, his speed was appropriate and he was careful, but he definitely could have done better. Horses who feel threatened can and do spin and strike out with their rear hooves, this is the reason for the 2m rule, because it happens so quickly there is little warning and the last thing a driver should want is two nice hoof dents in the side of his car. Note the vast majority of horse riders WILL have 3rd party insurance, membership of the British Horse Society, British Riding Clubs, and others includes such insurance and is very cheap, do if this did happen it will usually be able to be dealt with through insurers as for any RTC. Although obviously if the car driver was closer than 2m then liability should fall to the car driver.

[@laceandwhisky]

Ditto on that, I ride a Clydesdale heavy just under a ton she demands much of the road, thankfully I only have to either cross the road or do 50 meters to get from one beidel path to another. 😁

[@goldilocks913]

@@laceandwhisky forget the hoof prints, they’d be pulling the car out of a ditch if your lovely horse let fly 😂

[@margaretnicol3423]

@@laceandwhisky I love Clydesdales! I used to ride one on a farm when I was a kid. It was a bit like sitting on a flying carpet as there was no way I could get my legs round her. 🤣

[@Rawwhhh]

I had a scary one with a horse yesterday. They were in a lay-by, 4x4 and horse box presumably loading or unloading, I had pulled out of a junction in my van with a trailer (noisy when empty but I trickled out of the junction), barely doing 5mph the horse almost went for a trot so I stopped until the horse and owner were happy and waved me on. Awkward place to load a horse though because the lay-by is on a blind bend on a 60mph road which meant I had to offside blindly weighing nearly 7 ton with nothing but the horse handlers observations which would have been catastrophic for anyone hitting me but maybe the horse was injured, either way I think we all did our best.

[@Bin-The-L-Plates]

I teach in an EV, and since going ‘silent’ over 12 months ago, we’ve had to overtake horses a few times on lessons and I’m always looking to pass on the right info to my pupils. What’s the horse riders views on EV’s overtaking them ? Do the horses cope better as the car is quiet or worse as they get surprised by a car suddenly going past them ? I’d love to hear some opinions.

[@chrisb2443]

In the second clip, as much as the driver should definitely have anticipated the pedestrians about to cross the road it still amazes me how stupid people behave at these crossing and just walk out in front of traffic. There’s no way I would let my child run across the road like that without being sure it’s safe to cross.

[@pocky1scot1]

Totally agree, it looked more like they were dithering amongst themselves but continuing along that side of the pavement. Not one looked back to check traffic which would have been the real tell tale sign and also just common sense by the pedestrians.

[@mrstanhope1516]

Was thinking the same, didn't look on what seems to be a busy road. Parents need to do better.

[@123MondayTuesday]

A true drive can predict all

[@sumorabbit]

@@123MondayTuesday Absolutely, but a little self-preservation by pedestrians would go.a long way sometimes!

[@alyx6427]

yeah, it’s a bit like the “i have priority” mindset (except of course they should be given priority even more)

[@GazRam]

Very good video. I enjoyed the fact that the green car was so desperate to get past quickly but then after an altercation stayed beside the car and didn't make any further progress. I've had this happen to me before. I didn't do a good enough check in my mirrors on the motorway and as a result I pulled out infront of someone doing about 90. They were very angry and started brake checking me, pointing me to go into the services, forcing me off the road, forcing me to go ~40mph on a motorway. But by being angry that they couldn't progress as fast as they'd like, they progressed even slower. I do hold my hands up for not checking my mirrors properly though. I was a new driver (a couple months of driving) and I wasn't able to judge speed particularly well, so with a car approaching faster than I've seen before I thought the gap that was available was enough. Would've been a good watch if I had a dash cam

[@PedroConejo1939]

Yep, the old, 'You mustn't delay me by a second because I'm in such a rush, but if you do, I've got all day to be a knob about it.'

[@lukasmax6984]

If we're talking about motorway speeds, the gap is never enough. If you see a car coming just stay in your lane.

[@1over137]

6:13 is a common one. I have had a few near misses that way. Almost as a mantra now when I spot a hazard (like the guy in the red top), I say, "KEEP SCANNING", don't fixate.

[@andrewgilbertson5356]

Thanks Ashley and all the folk who sent in clips.

[@1066gaz]

When you replay a video you always see something extra than you did at that moment in time driving. You can never have perfect observation all the time, even with the best drivers. You are human after all.

[@ibs5080]

That's very true. I occasionally download and watch some of my own dashcam footage to my laptop and watch, purely from a learning perspective. And I find myself noticing things about my driving that I wasn't aware I was doing at the time. Such as cancelling a left signal before having fully exited a roundabout. Or sometimes my road positioning wasn't ideal. I also find myself noticing signs and clues that I hadn't noticed at the time. All very clear evidence that there's always room for improvement.

[@colinjones2505]

The learning curve continues. Excellent content and making ME more aware watching others mistakes....which we ALL make sometimes.

[@rufusgreenleaf2466]

I can see this being a good series, watching people's mistakes who own up to them. We all can learn from them and it helps me stay calmer as a driver.

[@vincelivingfree9201]

I absolutely loved watching this. These kind of videos would be very beneficial to new drivers like me. I'm looking forward to ep.2 😊

[@meredith2803]

Yeah I just got my license on Tuesday, I like watching things like this too (as long as nobody is seriously hurt) as they’re great learning opportunities.

[@curtisowen]

I remember hearing a great saying, 'an intelligent person learns from their mistakes but a wise person learns from the mistakes of others'

[@dennisphoenix1]

At 9:40 the silver car coming to a near walking pace on a dual carriageway was poor . They could have slowed on the shoulder after the car and reversed back .

[@NPW007]

Ooooh, new seires, this is gonna be a great one, I know it

[@daze1945]

This a fantastic look at peoples own ups to mistakes. I have been driving for almost 50 years staring on bicycle and then motorbikes. I passed my bike test and went on to pass my car test. I do think that my previous 2 wheel experiences helped me to see and understand road conditions. Wet, leaves, mud blind bends etc. Nowadays I am retired and tend to drive short journey outside of peak times. Since following your videos (and some of your cars) I am "re-learning" and learning more about driving today and my own driving attitude. I also watch some other driving channels that concentrate on crashes or near misses which I think compliments your driving education by showing just how bad collisions can be. I consider myself a better and safer driver after following your videos. I will say that I have never been involved in a road collision but maybe I have just been lucky. 🤔😊

[@PedroConejo1939]

A great set of clips and yet again, beating the regular Sunday teatime 10 minutes of unrepentant foolishness channel - which I still watch just for the fun of it, btw. The blue van at 8:28 + would have been reported to the police before ever being uploaded if that were me. Perhaps it was, but there is no excuse for that kind of driving.

[@kenbrown2808]

on the jittery footage clip: I've seen it said in some comment sections, that if you plan to use your footage as evidence, read off the number plate aloud to the camera. that way if the video quality is poor, you still have the number plate.

[@joejoejoejoejoejoe4391]

Was it taken from a motorcycle? it would explain the wind noise.

[@kenbrown2808]

@@joejoejoejoejoejoe4391 I don't think so. I thing it was just a poor quality camera with no real sound isolation from the road noise of the car it was in.

[@joejoejoejoejoejoe4391]

@@kenbrown2808 Having watched again I agree, there's no lean on the corners.

[@mattwardman]

Cyclecammers do that. I need to find out which cameras (GoPros for one I think) have a highlight button that pics a tick in the file so you can find it. If you get a chance, check out cyclemikey explaining his system - very, very efficient, and has to be given that he doesn't publish much until after conviction due to Met advice that it a may prejudice a prosecution. So he has some crazy amount of storage - scores of terabytes.

[@thejoin4687]

Some of these clips go to show that hazards don't always come one at a time. There's a tendency to look ahead and say "ah, there's the hazard I need to be wary of" without thinking what other hazards might be around.

[@chrisboyne5791]

Good video, thanks! I passed my test 5 years ago and mainly drive locally. Observation, anticipation and communication are all skills that can and should increase with age and time. Videos like this will help. Cheers mate

[@ShaimingLong]

2:34 A crazy little coincidence, I may have actually seen that clip happen in person. I was meeting a friend in front of the building they drove by at around 3pm on that date (their birthday) before taking them to the Royal Armouries. Alas, I can't see myself anywhere and being over a year ago I really don't remember if I did see it or if I was still on my way or even if we had left. Still, pleasant surprise to see my home turf.

[@ibs5080]

I wonder whether we will ever get two different viewers submit clips for the same incident - one from the point of view of "Viewer Mistakes" and another for the same incident under "Nice Driving"! Remember that my Mistake could be your Nice Driving! 🙂

[@raymondbenjamins5884]

"Remember that my Mistake could be your Nice Driving!" Well said. It would certainly be interesting to see the mistake and how others manage the risk after said mistake. After all, everyone makes mistakes from time to time, so it'd be nice to see how a mistake could happen and then how you can reduce the risk if you see someone making that mistake.

[@ibs5080]

@@raymondbenjamins5884 Hmm...should I trademark that phrase? In a similar light, how about "Remember that your car is my traffic"?

[@mrdo9081]

The last clip is the one that demonstrates how quickly things can get away from you. Not quite seeing the whole road ahead before making your initial move (decision). Then the big mistake was following through with the manoeuvre when you saw how many vehicles you had to pass in the space available, and finally the bike moving at speed and you knowing there wasn't enough room. This is going into the mindset of I have committed to this therefore I will see it through, whereas realising it wasn't possible when you saw that there were three cars would have been the point to back off. Don't get me wrong, I have done similar things, and we can all judge with hindsight from the comfort of our armchairs, just treat it as a really good learning experience and well done for fronting up and sharing!

[@almightyhydra]

Yep... If you're overtaking at 60mph and the oncoming bike is doing 60mph, the gap between you is closing at 120mph. And I think both vehicles might have been doing more than that.

[@naferemix]

This a great way to promote humility. We should all be capable of owning our mistakes and encouraging others to do the same. The embarrassment hopefully leads to us making fewer and fewer.

[@Bin-The-L-Plates]

Nice video, and some great points raised and yes we’re all capable of making a mistake so I’ll try and send clips in. As they say…… ‘Everyday’s a school day, sometimes it’s a gold star and sometimes it’s detention’.

[@ianmason.]

Can I please have the one that's _"Bunking off PE to smoke and talk about motorbikes behind the bike shed"_ ?

[@Bin-The-L-Plates]

@@ianmason. Those pupils are as rare as hen’s teeth nowadays. It’s all social media and TikTok gossip now, the 6th formers don’t need to bunk off as they only do a few hours a week. Things ain’t what they used to be…..

[@GeorgeWat]

This is an excellent idea, im a newish driver, so i do make mistakes from time to time, will happily send you things if/when they happen.

[@Rhyd]

Thanks for putting this up Ashley. Last one was myself. I’ve been driving and riding for over 10 years i miscalculated my escape routes, speed, distance everything out of frustration. I considered myself a good driver, with zero accidents, clean record but that over overconfidence could have caused a very high speed collision.

[@Jonc25]

Admitting to yourself you could have done a better job is the biggest hurdle.

[@Rhyd]

@@Jonc25 i could do better a lot of the time, but this one is the first time I realised how dangerous a mistake I could make. As soon as I saw the thumbnail I knew exactly it was me, even though it’s been months since I shared it. Never going to forget this one.

[@richardclarke9966]

Fair play for the own-up. Everyday's a schoolday, recognising and improving makes you better than most.

[@cityplanner3063]

I enjoy these clips and especially most drivers their recognising mistakes. We are all human and we all make mistakes but what is important is that we learn from them

[@expatbiker6598]

Second clip. First clue is flashing yellow lamps. Every zebra crossing on public road in UK has that. You can see them a mile away. Anybody near those lights has right of way to cross however they wish. Gradually slow down and give way.

[@2spoons]

2:20 The Belisha beacon (you must stop) its a slow down situation when heavily populated area... there is a school near my... 3pm??

[@Shylo2017]

Very much enjoyed that Ash, looking forward to the next episode!

[@Tom-2221]

3:30 - Wouldn't have overtaken here because of the junctions, the hatchings have obviously been put there to protect those safe turning zones. However I regularly use roads that are straight and free of junctions where the local authority has used hatched markings down the middle like this (no safe turning zones etc), seemingly to discourage overtaking. In these cases I would apply normal overtaking rules (i.e. nothing oncoming, speed etc) provided the lines are broken. Some people seem to treat as an overtaking lane and will overtake with traffic oncoming, not something I would do.

[@Twmpa]

Nice compilation Ashley, learning points without any sensationalism from which we can all benefit. The crossing clip at 2:10 was particularly interesting. I played it back at half speed and note that the child was on the road before any of the adults had even looked to their right, in the direction of the cammer. Yes, the driver could have slowed a little more in advance simply because of the proximity of the group of pedestrians to the crossing but we should not discount the carelessness of the pedestrians in this case. In another time and place, their child could easily have been injured or killed doing this.

[@ditch3827]

That is why the Highway Code was changed so that drivers now have to stop if there are pedestrians at a zebra crossing. So much safer. If the child had been killed then the driver would be looking at 5 years in prison. It really isn't worth the risk of breaking the highway code.

[@rc8james221]

@@ditch3827 Dude what? Drivers are still not responsible for hitting a pedestrian if the pedestrian runs onto the road. Even if it's at a crossing. You should stop and let them past, even if they are waiting, but, if THEY run onto the road, without looking, that's only their fault.

[@ditch3827]

@@rc8james221 The supreme court held that drivers are indeed responsible if they hit a pedestrian who runs out into the road without looking.

[@rc8james221]

@@ditch3827 That's ridiculous. If you drive carelessly or recklessly which results in a pedestrian getting hit, that's understandable to be punished for it. If someone runs out in front of your car, you are not responsible if you hit them. You can't magically stop your car the instant someone runs out onto the road.

[@ditch3827]

@@rc8james221 The law is the law and that says it is the responsibility of drivers to anticipate things and to slow down accordingly. In the particular case that went all the way to the Supreme Court, someone stepped out from behind a bus directly into the path of a car being driven within the speed limit. The driver was held to be to blame for not anticipating that someone might step out from behind a bus. The compensation to the pedestrian was however reduced due to contributory negligence. Anticipating that pedestrians might be crossing on a Zebra Crossing is somewhat more clear cut.

[@joshuahigginbottom]

I purchased a new three view dash cam for my dads cam and we already have something I have been considering whether to report or not but I will only included front and back view if I send them in as interior view is only for security purposes if anything inside the car was to happen. Look forward to sending in my own footage myself and my dad capture and happy to have feedback on what we could of done differently.

[@Mark-on2mt]

I like Ashleys analysis. Never stop learning.

[@TheFlyingBusman]

We will all make mistakes. What is important is our attitude and whether we choose to learn from them.

[@GodmanchesterGoblin]

At 03:00 when using the hashed area to overtake, the sun is directly behind the cammer, and therefore directly in front of any oncoming traffic, making the overtaking vehicle harder to see, especially if they have dirty windscreens.

[@ibs5080]

At around 5:12, yes I actually felt the cammer was a little harsh on themselves and as Ash pointed out, actually did a pretty good job of overtaking the cyclist with a nice wide pass. Yes they had to slow down afterwards for the HGV approaching the bridge and that in turn might have caused the cyclist to slow down. Mind you I felt that was partly mitigated by the SUV behind that also overtook the cyclist. Another point with this is that the cammer took a reasonable and safe opportunity to overtake the cyclist when there may not have been another opportunity for some time after clearing the bridge depending on oncoming traffic. So a balance between holding back or making progress.

[@AJ38452]

In the green car clip I think the Euro car parts HGV got distracted by what was happening. Nearly driving down the hard shoulder.

[@seraphina985]

Yeah I was wondering what the hell they were playing at, and they were not nearly on the shoulder, watch the left hand side wheels of the trailer they are clearly past the line. I can only hope they were distracted by events because if not they would need to have been on the piss not to notice that which I would hope was not the case at the wheel of any vehicle let alone a HGV.

[@aveekbh]

09:39 - Ideally, when someone slows down ahead, the first question we should ask ourselves is - what have they seen that I haven't? (Of course, we don't live in an ideal world, etc., etc.). 10:11 - In the end, it was a valuable lesson at very little cost. The fact that the driver has sent the clip in shows that they have learnt from the mistake. Thus, a positive outcome. One point to add is - is the overtake reasonable and worth it? If not, don't.

[@ibs5080]

That was a great opener to this new series Ashley and from reading other's comments, I see that's pretty much the consensus today. This is a great learning tool. Really looking forward to more of these and yes I realise it depends on us all sending clips in. Of course, I'm also looking forward to continued viewing of all your other video series too such as Learning Point, Nice Driving, Ashley's Analysis as well as Driving Fails of the Month etc.

[@copperfield3629]

Can we stop and give a callout to the child on the pony, in the horse riding pass at around 4 minutes? Excellent awareness, moved her pony off the road and into the gateway so the motorist could safely pass after he'd already gone past her adult companion without being signalled to do so. All three individuals (the accompanying cyclist plus the adult and child riders) are also wearing hi vis which is commendable. Your viewer was fortunate - both equines were calm as he went past, but as you say in your voiceover, he has no way of knowing that's the case. The riders did much better than he did on this occasion, in my opinion...

[@R04drunner1]

At 05:25 I completely agree with your analysis Ashley. I think the Cammer was overly harsh on himself, but the 4x4 was definitely badly caught out. For the last clip, I thought the overtake was a bit suspect at the start because the cars in front were starting to close down the gaps. That meant all three cars had to be overtaken in one fell swoop. Once the overtake was started, I wasn't too worried about the side junction shown by the fingerboard as (a) the junction was clear and (b) there would not have been room for a vehicle arriving at the junction to come out. When the oncoming bike came into view, I thought he was probably speeding - hard to tell without one of your specialist analysis videos. A dicey moment, but sounds like the cammer has learned his lesson and thanks to avoiding action by all parties concerned (including the biker) a collision was thankfully averted.

[@QiuEnnan]

2:53 the hatched markings are supposed to protect people turning right, so it is dangerous to come up behind them on the markings as they may move across suddenly.

[@R_5_D]

Well done to all those who submitted clips. It takes a lot to be humble like this. I'm sure I have one or two I could dig out if I can find them! Videos like this might be the best learning tool because we get to hear the thoughts of those who are making mistakes. Usually we assume everyone is just an awful driver but now we realise that we are all human and make mistakes.

[@SurgeDashcam]

I'll like to think my suggestion to make this series like a year ago is the reason you're doing it lol. It's certainly a good one from a driver education standpoint. Learn from other people's mistakes to prevent you from making the same mistakes in the future.

[@jimg492]

Excellent vid and hats off to the senders. Always great to lean from others' mistakes

[@bencoder]

Great series idea. This actually makes me want to get a dash cam more than those who try to put others on blast since I'm much more forgiving of others mistakes than my own.

[@theaikidoka]

That last clip - fair play sending it in. The mistake I see was being a bit optimistic (greedy if you're being harsh). There was no issue with passing the first car, and you had a good chance to pass two, but you were pushing your luck with three cars. Still, you were obviously looking for oncoming traffic and didn't stay fixated on completing the third overtake. I can't blame you for taking the opportunity to pass, but maybe one pass and come in, assess, back out etc would be safer.

[@bencoder]

5:57 I actually did the exact same while watching, was expecting the red top to step out and didn't notice the others at all

[@chrisbrookes1167]

Glad to see one of our trucks starring in a clip.

[@1over137]

@3:30 the overtake. It would have been interesting to hear the sound too. I can see his speed, position and acceleration modulating for the hazards. Notice how, while between the two cars he is clearly seeing that gap as a safe zone and a plan B. Also he seems to delay getting into the conflict position, right when you are pointing out the potential of the red car turning right. Then at the commit point it seems as though his acceleration suddenly increases again. Whether you agree with the overtake, I think more careful analysis would reveal the driver was certainly paying attention and had plenty of options, except in a few key and obvious moments, which happen all the time anyway, regardless of speed of overtaking or not.

[@johnbower7452]

The fact is you still aren't supposed to overtake there; those hatchings are to keep 2 flows apart from each other and protect right turning traffic and should only be used if necessary which doesn't include overtaking.

[@chinapig71]

@@johnbower7452 You misunderstand the law. Driving on these areas is perferctly fine provided the move is safe legal and necessary. Safe - no conflict with other road users Legal - no crossing of solid lines or no other legal bar to the move. Necessary - It was required to drive on the lines to COMPLETE THE OVERTAKE. Case law already exists to clarify the definition of necessary - which is the necessity of the actions required in order to complete the chosen manouvre - not whether it was necessary to perform the maneouvre in the first place - as that is a different matter. Otherwise, one could argue the law would have deemed it unnecessary to have been driving in the first place. Which is ridiculous.

[@chinapig71]

I agree, he seemed to hold back until he was satisfied there would be no conflict. However there are a couple of minor issues for me. 1> For the purposes of discussion, I am making the assumption the driver had checked and was satisfied there was no vehicles in danger of emerging from the approaching junctions or that if one appears he has a get out. We can't see much in that regard from the camera view and I'd be wanting to see a bit more before I commit, although it seems the driver had it all covered. Obviously, this is imperative and goes without saying. 2> I would be pushing a llot further into the offside on the pass to create more margin for error. No sense in having 2 lanes worth of width to play with and only using one....

[@ditch3827]

@@chinapig71 But not safe as Ashley explained

[@chinapig71]

@@ditch3827 It is safe enough, presuming all is taken into account. Of course, we don't know for certain as his thought process was not recorded along with the driving footage. Yes it is entirely possible that he just barelled ahead without thinking and by sheer luck nothing happened. But the evidence seems to suggest that it was a carefully planned and well executed overtake, with plenty opportunity for a get out if the need presented itself.

[@paulcollyer801]

21 secs in & I whole heartedly support this. Good on the viewers to allow others to learn from your own mostakes. As I naver mske mustskea, I wonr bw srndunf on ant clops 😂😂

[@thanosp.8140]

Nice content addition. Similar to driving fails series, but here we get more attention to detail, since many times the line between correct and incorrect handling of a situation is blurry.

[@robg521]

It is human nature for us to learn by making errors and mistakes. If you can also learn from someone else’s then that is a sign of genuine intelligence.

[@130rapid]

4:12 I call it "The effect of sheep flock". People blindly follows a leader, even if shouldn't. Very common on similar situations.

[@andrewtooley4116]

i enjoy all of these videos im always trying to be better ,thanks ash and everyone who sent videos in

[@davidf8749]

@3:19 - Overtaking on hatched road markings is fine as long as the bordering line is broken (which it is here). Not so if the bordering line is solid unless it's an emergency. Usually hatched road markings are indicating that a new lane is forming up ahead which, as you indicate, is a clear hazard. @6.11 - the cyclist should have dismounted before crossing the zebra-crossing.

[@TheEulerID]

It is not fine. The Highway Code explicitly says only do so when it's necessary (rule 130) and that overtake certainly was not. However, what is even worse is overtaking approaching, or at a junction (rule 167) and there was more than one of those at that point. Hatched lanes are put in locations which are particularly hazardous, and using them for overtaking is generally incompatible with that. Maybe something like passing a cyclist, but nothing like that clip which is inviting an accident.

[@ibs5080]

At around 9:00 with the van overtaking at the pinch point and coming into contact with the cammer. I'm surprised there was even room there to attempt an overtake! As for giving chase, no need. If you have a dash cam it will capture the offender's number plate, though also a good idea to read it out so that it's captured on the audio as well. Plus if you have a passenger, get them to write down the plate number in case something happens to to the footage. And don't forget to press the "save" button!

[@cynic-al]

Judging by how they drove off I would say there is a possibility that the numberplate doesn't match the vehicle and they don't have insurance etc. Its very common for vans around here to clone a number plate off another vehicle so their lack of documentation doesn't trigger a camera.

[@mattwardman]

DVLA have no record of that numberplate. So probably fake by a criminal.

[@ibs5080]

@@mattwardman Well I guess that would go hand in hand with the crazy driving as well as the hit and run. Thank you for checking into this btw.

[@grahambonner508]

Excelente content Ashley, also my preferred type of content with the analysis.

[@VictheSecret]

That overtake on crosshatching would be perfectly acceptable… with blue lights and sirens on. The Morrisons is my local store and people constant come flying out of the store and over the crossing without waiting for cars to stop for them.

[@williamstrachan]

Even then it would be bloody iffy with those junctions

[@seraphina985]

8:47 that looked like a collision too the cam vehicle appears to be sharply nudged to the left and then corrects precisely when we hear the sound of the apparent collision. Seems to me that there was contact and the van pushed the front end of the cam vehicle to the left, the movement to the left seems too jerky to be a steering movement as it's instant not like it was steered sharply to the left where you would expect a rapid but not instant acceleration to the left. I think the van did actually push the cam vehicle over and they quickly recovered.

[@dennisphoenix1]

At 8:25 there was no pinch point . It wasn't 2 lanes reducing to 1 . It was one lane exiting the RAB , the van driver was making his own lane .

[@Headhunterzify]

The second clip is one of the reason why I’m not fond of my wife’s driving because she would often break out of a sudden and one time she didn’t properly anticipate an idiot trying to cross two lanes at once. The car’s safety system did the work for her and luckily the car behind maintain a safe gap and no collision happened. She’s learned first-hand on why I kept telling her to anticipate every vehicle on the road. If you’re driving safe, it doesn’t others are and vice versa.

[@goodguykonrad3701]

10:00 I feel like it's worth saying that the Peugeot is also doing something really dangerous. Obviously they should be slowing to pass the cars in the hard shoulder, but they come close to a stop far sooner than they need to. Would have been much safer to slow, move into the hard shoulder, and then come to a stop, instead of almost being stopped in lane 1

[@morbidlyobese2944]

Great series idea, looking forward to learning more ways to improve my driving

[@TDMFAN]

10:00 - I'm not sure about the UK, but here in NZ it is illegal to slow/stop on a motorway like that - for the very reason that nobody behind you is going to anticipate it. The driver should have pulled over onto the shoulder and then began slowing down, then if they needed to get in front, wait for a clearing in the traffic and quickly pull around. They created far more risk by slowing down so much on the roadway with traffic coming from behind. Even if the cammer had spotted it and slowed appropriately, the risk of someone behind the cammer then crashing into them would have been huge depending on how close and fast they are going... same all the way back through the lane depending on the amount of traffic.

[@kempy7923]

I think you're being generous to the driver in lane 2 blocking the green car. They looked to have past the first car by 6:19 but didn't reach the next car until around 6:41. If you've got someone tailgating then best to move over and let them past. I think the front camera would have shown just how far away they were and may be this is why they didn't include it. The lack of gps speed as well sometimes means they were speeding too or they were doing the speed limit and have a no one should be overtaking them attitude. After that initial gap I agree there was no other opportunities to get in to lane one but by that point the damage was done and situation escalated.

[@sherrylawrencelewis2544]

Very useful refresher/highlighter lessons. Thank you 😊

[@marklittler784]

#2 Certainly time the council repainted the road stripes on that Zebra crossing.

[@ibs5080]

I was thinking the same too and started to remember Ashley's recent video driving a Tesla in Florida and commenting that the road markings there "knock the socks off the ones in the UK".

[@izzard]

"…but the van that overtakes right at the pinch point." Me: "Eh? What van? Oh my god!"

[@R04drunner1]

Exactly! Same reaction here! 😀

[@ibs5080]

Interesting clip from around 7:05 onwards. A few observations: 1. The is probably the first time I've seen a driver in the UK put on their right signal to basically say "I want to pass". Yes, I know it's very common on the continent to put on a left signal for this very purpose but never seen it in the UK until today 2. As Ash mentioned, although the cam car didn't have to move back to the left until it finished overtaking, as he also mentioned, it might have been a "good idea" to have done so earlier and break it down into two shorter overtakes and just let the car behind overtake. I suspect that is what I would have done in this case, given the long gaps between some of the vehicles in Lane 1. 3. The pantomime that followed after the cammer pulled back into Lane 1. Looks like the green VW wanted to box the cammer in. If I was the cammer I would have then slowed way down, for two reasons. One, to keep plenty of distance between myself and the vehicles in front. And two, in the hopes that my reduced speed would be "too slow" for the green VW to even want to bother to stick around and hassle me any longer. Of course it's interesting that they had the time to do so, after their apparent hurry to get passed. 4. At the end of this clip, the HGV wandered partly onto the hard shoulder.

[@martinmills135]

I reckon the HGV driver noticed the green car hanging back as if hesitant to pass, and moved over to give them some extra space?

[@allothernamesbutthis]

the cammer had plenty of room to pull over and back out again behind the green car safely many times. some people are too stubborn. both drivers should be made to sit on the naughty step though.

[@ibs5080]

@@allothernamesbutthis I wholeheartedly agree with you on all counts.

[@ibs5080]

@@martinmills135 I did wonder whether the HGV's wandering onto the hard shoulder had something to do with the whole incident.

[@mcdon2401]

@@allothernamesbutthis as the old saying goes, it takes 2 to tango.

[@mattwoodford1820]

I think it is really easy. Everything that happens to you in your life is your own fault. Blaming others is a pointless step backwards. Looking at self improvement is the step forwards. Loose the ego, find a calmer journey :)

[@paull7725]

Great idea Ashley ! At the end of the day, I’m sure this is representative of most drivers who are after one and only thing that is to be the best as possible on the roads and that cans only be done b learning from their mistakes - why not indeed include mistakes from other people. Maybe not the most entertaining , but a good, if not the best concept on this channel.

[@dn744]

They should show these videos to learners. It takes time to get a grip of everything, especially in your 1st year.

[@palco22]

0:46 Mr. Neil's comment is spot on. 1:32 People don't see anything beyond the end of the hood (Bonnet !). 2:24 No comment. 2:53 The intent is to overtake..............whatever it takes ! 3:35 Honestly, I don't fault this cammer. His speed was very reasonably cautious. 4:08 This cammer is a selfish dangerous driver ! 4:30 Again, I wouldn't fault this cammer. 5:32 When in and around shopping center, the rule is simple; people have priority, always ! 6:15 Simple rule; "Always" yield to faster traffic. This is often the case. You frustrate the other driver and rage ensues. Now you're a victim. Deal with it. 8:22 At the start this cammer seems to be reasonably cautious when entering the roundabout and yields to the white vehicle. The cammer can clearly see the white vehicle signaling for a left merge but then for some reason approaches the white vehicle to within ±25 feet. I believe the cammer purposely closed the distance to block the blue van and paid the price. 9:40 This is common practice. Don't slow down, hit the 'horn', brake hard and dramatically swerve. 10:12 The blue car was well aware of the idiot. Great video.

[@bp19870]

One thing I learnt through IAM and ERDT is nobody is a perfect driver and mistakes are made - it’s knowing you made the mistake makes you that safe driver to not do it again.

[@kthxbairofl]

That overtake over the hatched markings and then on the wrong side of the road was absolutely ridiculous. I can’t believe people drive like this

[@josyms7849]

Note the silver car leaving the petrol station at 0:58 with no headlights on (tail lights not on)

[@mcdon2401]

Probably the DRL lamps have lit up the dashboard, and they've assumed their actual lights are on 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@markgambrill]

4:34 I wonder if you could have predicted the pass by the SUV and held back until after the bridge? Or is that taken things too far?

[@LegoNemo10]

That last clip is a familiar one to me! I know that road very well and it's a very easy road to drive on and overtake on, but like in the clip cars can come round VERY fast, I've had a couple close calls there, but I've since learned not to overtake there and wait for the next straight view (which is about 10 seconds further up the road) IF I need to overtake.

[@Golaso99]

Very good idea this style of video, and hopefully it will encourage people to reflect more on their driving (even if they aren't brave enough to send incriminating clips in!)

[@Simon-ho9db]

We've all been idiots at some time. It's good to learn from mistakes and even better if you can do so without anyone getting hurt.

[@alansevern290]

2:11 2nd clip, I was always taught that if the vehicles is side the zig-zag lines then it is the responsibility of the pedestrian to ensure the vehicle can, and does, come to a stop, before stepping onto the crossing, as these zig-zags clearly mark out the safe stopping distance for a vehicle approaching at the posted speed limit. Same as if the approaching vehicle is outside the zig-zag lines, then the ownses is on the driver to be able to stop in plenty of time and allow pedestrians to cross safely. Or am I totally wrong Ashley, please advise?

[@hhtrichard]

Great video as usual Ashley. At about 7:48 note why the hard shoulder is not the place to be, perhaps the driver was watching earlier posts by Ashley 😀

[@ZEN43D]

Purchased a A229 Duo using your affiliate link Ashley, very impressed with it.

[@bevq2246]

bit off topic but the sky looks so pretty in the intro where you're driving in your car

[@GoldenBear01]

3:30 can’t believe you didn’t mention the oncoming car too!

[@ganrimmonim]

Fascinating video. Must have been challenging for the learner in the clip of the overtake with green van next to him or her.

[@apacherider7110]

The family group at the pedestrian crossing didn't stop and check before crossing and the cyclist at the other crossing moved to cross when he was directly behind the grey car, he didn't check it was clear to cross and rode across instead of pushing his bike. I do agree with your comments about the drivers. Seems other road users need to read the Highway code.

[@Kromaatikse]

In the final clip, I think a general principle to bear in mind is that in a queue of traffic following one slower vehicle, the car at the head of the queue should be the one to overtake. Following this logic repeatedly will eventually get the entire queue past the obstruction, with the minimum risk due to the minimised number of passes.

[@R04drunner1]

True, but sometimes one can wait for ages only to see the driver behind the slow vehicle doesn't have a clue how to overtake. Once a few such opportunities have been passed over, I will look for the chance to overtake them both. However, one has to be very aware of the increased danger: the hesitant driver might suddenly get a rush of blood to the head and move out without a mirror check! When I think that's a possibility, I'll use a prolonged headlamp flash when I am in the overtaking position and possibly even horn.

[@williamstrachan]

Should be the one to overtake or should be holding back to give people overtaking a place to land, rather than having to overtake multiple vehicles in one go. I can't overtake many people in a work van (50 mph max on single carriageways) but can still go quick enough to be stuck behind people... so leave a gap between me and the person ahead.

[@Alan_Clark]

3:00 Overtaking at any kind of road junction is not advised, including roundabouts and at slip roads on motorways and dual carriageways. There are many things that can go wrong, and other KZbin videos have countless examples.

[@davidrumming4734]

There’s a mixture of things…some blatantly obvious others not so obvious…certainly notice a few things which are all to easy to fall into the trap off. Person in red coat stood by crossing being an obvious one. I actually remember being taught at school not to do that. This is why we should be continually looking or scanning…so if you miss something early, you get a 2nd chance…and we saw that in some of the clips.