Shorter Isn't Always Better || Tactical Shotgun Setup

[@RecoilOperated]

in my experience, there's very little difference in a 20" and 14" barrel if both have an improved cylinder choke. there's also little to no difference in velocity for a 14" and a 20". small arms review did a test where they lopped off a 30" single shot inch by inch and found that above 12", the difference was minimal. after 12" the velocity drops hard and spread opens up.

[@jarede3403]

11 seconds: nice. I’ve never actually tried an AR stock on my shotgun. Thought it was tacti-cool, I’ll have to try it out.

[@toddk1377]

It's nice, if you need the adjustments. If not, a fixed stock like the magpul or fixed pistol grip buttstock works just fine.

[@jarede3403]

Todd K I have the Magpul on mine and it works well for the manual adjustments.

[@TedIntessimone]

my 14 inch with a modified fixed choke shoots awesome..

[@ExplosiveFetus]

Disagree on the barrel shortening affecting accuracy and spread. I live in Canada and as long as a manual action centerfire has an overall length of 26" we can have any barrel length, so short pump actions are popular up here. I have a shotgun with an 8.5" barrel, a 12.5", two 14", and two 18.5", so I have experience with short barrels. AMMO and choke is the biggest factor affecting spread. Barrel length will affect spread with shitty ammo like cheap birdshot and cheap buck like S&B, but if you get flight control buckshot there is no noticeable difference I have seen between 12.5" and 18" barrels. My 8.5" has some extra spread, but it actually isn't as much with good ammo. And if you thread your barrel for chokes you can even get good spreads out of shitty ammo as well. 14" is actually a really nice sweet spot between length and capacity that a lot of people up here go for. Remington makes a 14" barrel with rifle sights. Thread it for chokes or get some flight control ammo and test it out.

[@nonameguy96]

Isnt it 26" overall length for things like semi auto rifles as well? Grear comment its just you only mentioned manual action. I was under the impression that any shotgun or rifle is non restricted if it has an overall length of 26"

[@TheRyanDude]

I disagree too, I've don't have the experience but I've done a lot of reading on the subject. What I've found is barrel length on a shotgun doesn't affect spread, accuracy or velocity considerably as long as it's over about ten inches. Too many people won't question "common knowledge". Back in black powder days it mattered but not now with modern powder.

[@WhiskyTangoFoxtrot33]

This is right on. A 14" 870P with Federal Flight Control keeps a very tight group. It all comes down to ammo and choke. Even though I'm not a fan of his, James Yaeger did a great test comparing different types of shells, using different barrel lengths, at different distances. I know from personal experience with my own 870P SBS that 2 3/4 OO Buck Flight Control is the tits out of a 14" barrel and is very comparable to an 18" barrel at self defense distances.

[@toddk1377]

Not arguing the fact that a 14" barrel can still have good patterns and accuracy, but as a law enforcement firearm, capacity needs to be kept in mind, thus is another reason to leave the barrel at 18inches. You can't get 7+1 in a 14" barrel without the magazine tube sticking way the hell out past the muzzle and it looks rediculous.

[@marzcapone9939]

@@toddk1377 I have a Vang Comp +1 extension on my 870 SBS, it's a 5+1, with 2 3/4" shells. That extension makes the tube same length as the barrel. My Remington factory 14" bead barrel has the fixed modified choke, and like mentioned, is the tits with the flight control wad. That bead sight is dead on too, I can hit a 2" shoot n see with slugs at 30 yards, every time.

[@JRico-xm8qw]

So this is what Ted Cruz is doing while he's self-quarantining

[@BStanks]

I've been able to get 18" 870s in explorers and chargers with no problem. And that stock seems like it'd beat the hell out of your shoulder.

[@MaxHeadspace9mm]

Hogue has a traditional shorty stock that I put on my Mossberg 590. The best thing about shotguns is simplicity. Adjustable pistol grip shotguns change everything about your handling and manual of arms so I’m happy with my Hogue. Looks awesome, small, tough. A scrappy little shotty with no nonsense appeal.

[@itskidkelly]

Imagine your local police department shows up to your door and goes “hey can you work on this gun?”

[@VSO_Gun_Channel]

Yeah, that’s pretty much how it happened

[@benjaminponzer4448]

Must be a pretty dumb department that they couldn't figure out to just use the magpul SGA stock to lose those inches.

[@VSO_Gun_Channel]

That is, if you think that magpul is worth a damn

[@benjaminponzer4448]

@@VSO_Gun_Channel OKAY! It is at least as good as the plastic stock they had. It just gets them the space they need.

[@benjaminponzer4448]

@@VSO_Gun_Channel what is wrong with the magpul shotgun stock?

[@philp411]

We issue 14” Remingtons. From the factory they have a fixed modified choke. It does very well in pattern size. We also added a +1 extension from the factory standard. These guns handle extremely well.

[@elektro3000]

I love your approach to solving this problem. I feel like every American just decided that if long guns with short barrels have extra regulation and taxes, they're automatically more betterer for all situations and applications, even more so when the military replaced 20" M16s with 14.5" M4s. Now everybody wants the shortest barrel possible no matter what the gun is actually supposed to do.

[@FPSMurdock]

Now that's thinking outside the box. Well done Sir 👍

[@Trunn10n]

Modern problems require modern solutions. I may try this out with one of the MFT extreme duty stocks. The Deadfoot Arms stock was a great choice for this application though.

[@summerheatpaintball5334]

That’s a great outside of the box thought. More of this, gun community, more of this.

[@benjaminponzer4448]

Remington 870 with the 18in barrel and the magpul stock is 37 inches. Rock Island imports vr80 with a 20 inch barrel, magpul MOE stock, and thick pad is 36 inches

[@Rhetorical346]

Barrel length doesn't effect pattern, choke does. You should know better! An SBS threaded for chokes will shoot great patterns.

[@jfm562]

I agree. A 14” shotgun shoots just fine. I have a fixed modified in mine. I shot CYL 14’s just fine too.

[@noahnewcomer5180]

Except it does. This has been tested.

[@Rhetorical346]

@@noahnewcomer5180 care to provide a link to this testing you made up in your head?

[@emaxxx13]

If this was true all shotguns would be 18”

[@brandonreed70]

Love your content, but I'm going to have to disagree with several points here. With respect to accuracy, shorter barrels are known to actually be more accurate in general. For practical accuracy, the shooter has way more impact than 14" vs. 18". For pattern, you've ignored both the option to choke the barrel as well as ammunition solutions such as Flite Control. Either can make any 14" gun pattern just as well as an 18" gun. Finally, what makes you think a shotgun inherently requires more LOP? I'm curious what the original LOP, new collapsed LOP, and new extended LOP values are. Thanks.

[@paulthecpa2717]

Brandon Reed Now you’ve done it. 😀. Healthy debate is good.

[@benjaminponzer4448]

I question the lop bs too. Just swapping to the magpul 870 stock and one or none of the LOP spacers gets you the drop in OAL he wanted.

[@toddk1377]

I think you guys missed the point, this is for law enforcement, not a civilian. Shorten the barrel, you decrease the capacity. On a shotgun, you don't want to decrease capacity. That's why he went for the buttstock instead of the barrel.

[@oknarphianexkraveduccial4325]

I've seen competition shorties with longer magtubes than barrels. For the record.

[@alejandroflores-samaniego9320]

The only short barrel firearm I have is a 1969 Draco, which I love and the rest are all longer barrel rifles and shotguns. Great video 😎

[@naqibhusseinyar4292]

For home defense short barrel shotgun is good But, for anything apart that 30 or 32” inches is the best

[@rustys.1070]

well yeah and 5.56 hits terminal velocity at 24" inches, but you don't see any militarizes doing that (well, the l86 but that's because it's a bullpup)

[@plasticglock]

I've been wanting to build an 870 for home defense for a few years. I want a real short stock though. This seems to fit right in. Thanks!

[@jaimecornejo2185]

Short barreled weapons are for cqb. Thats it. Not for snything else

[@JodyTheImpaler]

They are going to have this tac'd out shotgun and and old SP1

[@AlaskanBallistics]

I love the white storm trooper AK in the background. When c are you coming up here to caribou hunt?

[@VSO_Gun_Channel]

Alaskan Ballistics don’t you you with me. People say that kind of thing and I show up. “Dude, how did you find me”

[@UncleDanBand64]

Sir, maybe I am missing something here? I can't see barrel length affecting the pattern by much. Velocity yes.

[@Hiccupalots]

Honestly, I believe the more you think about it, the more it doesn't make sense, there's gotta be some vids out there. I gotta check some out myself. You've just made me wonder how shot shells work. LOL

[@Hiccupalots]

Did a bit of research, chokes are good for tightening a shot spread. But as of barrel length, it barely makes a difference.

[@Hiccupalots]

Although, I'd have to guess the longer the barrel, the more the shot normalizes and stays more on path.

[@UncleDanBand64]

@@Hiccupalots I would agree with that

[@CoryHobbs2178]

I like that adapter

[@gtfkt]

Isn't that a 20" 870 tho?

[@apb2887]

I don't know the exact cost of chopping down a shotgun barrel but you probably saved them money too by going with a $200 stock and saving the 16" barrel length. An honest man lol

[@guns-usa8564]

Great video! Also from Ohio

[@MannyGunzz]

Do they have the dead foot for Remington Baikle 12g??

[@immikeurnot]

Federal's Flitecontrol buckshot solves the pattern problem with a 14" barrel (and really any cylinder bore). Honestly, any department that's using any other buckshot is wrong. That said, there's not much reason for cops to run shotguns these days, outside of for LTL stuff. Just run patrol carbines already. Even with good ammo like the Federal I mentioned, shotguns are still kind of not great (at best - a liability at worst), especially past about 20-30 yards.

[@brandon956]

Rifled slugs say otherwise

[@christianmore3469]

Great vid very informative

[@benjaminponzer4448]

Why does 12ga mean it needs the max length of pull?

[@VSO_Gun_Channel]

I have no clue.

[@benjaminponzer4448]

@@VSO_Gun_Channel but that is what you said in the video

[@benjaminponzer4448]

@@VSO_Gun_Channel why did you say it then?

[@benjaminponzer4448]

@@VSO_Gun_Channel why does 12ga mean that the stock had to be out as FAR as possible?

[@Stephen-br6il]

Is their a measurable difference between an 18" and 20" shotgun?

[@tm1182]

2 inches

[@rustys.1070]

3.1566^-5 miles

[@teaganwindago3132]

Love Me! Hate Me!. I have to run a Kick Lite stock on all pump action shots gus I have. It's the only way I can shoot them. It gives me everything I need with nothing I don't Yeah there pricey. But how expensive is a shoulder replacement and do you ever want to shoot your pump again?

[@bigbadjohnpesek9894]

I'll stick with my bullpup 12 gauge. Full length barrel on a very short platform.

[@fj400007]

My home defense shotgun is 43'' long overall and it holds nine (9) 3'' magnum shells. I would not dream of going shorter and lose the firepower offered by this baby. There are many shotguns that are 37'' or even shorter overall but, in my opinion, you're seriously at a disadvantage compared to big capacity magazine tube.

[@rustys.1070]

the vepr sbs is 31" overall and can hold up to 11 3" magnums. #outballed

[@fj400007]

@@rustys.1070 it's a fact, detachable magazines and drums definitely holds more than a tube... they also have the 25 round magazines available.

[@joshmajor8662]

I personally hate the pistol grip on a shotgun Lol otherwise, awesome!!

[@WendzDarKnight08]

Awesome concept! Now was that the infamous Savage Arms Stevens 320 in all it’s beat up cosmetics?

[@brianwinters2131]

You coulsd go to an 870 dm or mossberg 590 m.

[@herosupport1606]

Good advice not reducing the business end of the firearm. sounds like they need to look into bullpup shotguns.

[@DrewEdwardBacklas]

1:11 the PD really running triangle hand guards?

[@ryanpeck3377]

Its most likely an A1.... triangle handguards and integrated carry handle

[@DrewEdwardBacklas]

Ryan Peck Yes I realize what it is. My point was I am surprised a PD is still using a rifle this old.

[@smolkafilip]

@@DrewEdwardBacklas It's still a rifle. It still works. Good luck overcoming these two arguments when trying to convice admin to spend money on new rifles. In my country (Czech Republic), some departments still make reports on typewriters. Slovakian national PD still uses commie handguns (the CZ 82) which are not drop safe as their duty pistols.

[@iamjackdude1859]

This guy play FPP games in real life 😂😂

[@stanleyhall6102]

Ggg on shell holder and wat was brace adapter

[@maxstuckert]

Vid started and I got confused and thought I was watching demo ranch for a sec. wow

[@Tuton25]

Ugh... There's so much wrong here: 1) barrel length has no impact on pattern density, what matters is the forcing cone, choke, and cartridge selection. 2) Shotguns use very fast burning powders, so the shot charge is basically up to speed in the first 12" of barrel. The difference in velocity is usually about ~100 fps between a 14" and a 28" barrel. So when talking about slugs the trajectory won't be significantly different. 3) As per 1 and 2, there's no reason a gun should be "less accurate" by dropping the barrel length by 4". You do pay a penalty in terms of recoil and capacity...

[@immikeurnot]

"Shotguns use very fast burning powders" Is that why a lot of shotgun powders also work in .45 ACP? Shotguns use slow powders, man.

[@Tuton25]

@@immikeurnot With .45ACP you have about 3-5" of barrel length to get all the powder burned, whereas in a standard rifle you have 16-24" (i.e. more time) to burn all the powder. It's really well documented, at least if the things published by Winchester and their engineers are to be believed...

[@nifepartie]

Could someone kindly tell me who makes the m-lok gas tube/HG at 00:25

[@VSO_Gun_Channel]

nifepartie midwest industries

[@g.p.d.2220]

“Shotguns are always empty”…. Firearms Safety Rule Number One; consider ALL firearms as loaded and treat them as such. scratches head in confusion….

[@wb8864]

What part of Ohio? Live in Dayton currently

[@dublingunner2018]

Why not a Benelli M4?

[@TheRyanDude]

Because dollars

[@mpett2]

I would of put a regular ar stock with a magpul

[@VSO_Gun_Channel]

It needs to be good for hitting people. DFA product is metal

[@JamesMelzer999]

So you're telling me my plans to SBS my tac-13 isn't a good idea?

[@immikeurnot]

Why would you waste money getting a stamp when you can put a brace on it!?

[@NTurman]

I have one with a brace on it the thing is a bruiser its a fun range fun maybe truck gun or bedside gun but a reg 870 would offer more capabilities

[@Wheeling88]

Last i remember ,just my 02 tho. Shottys are like revolvers. Shoot reload every chance ya get.. But you only get 1" spread for every 36" off the muzzle with a cut bbl think its the same as a cyl choke or mod choke cant remeber myself.

[@azntactical4884]

The only thing I can see is that the weight is going to be even more in the front.

[@VSO_Gun_Channel]

Trade offs.

[@azntactical4884]

@@VSO_Gun_Channel what was the minimum overall length to get it to fit the rack?

[@GrendalTheBeasty]

Have you considered a folding stock? Makes the LoP 0 inches, storage problem solved.

[@truckert9729]

Didn't know you were Ohio, howdy neighbor. Short barrels, I don't get the love affair with them. I actually prefer the 16 rifle 18 shot'y. For the shot, the stocks have always been a slight issue for me, always an inch to long to be comfortable. Might have to look into what you did on this one.

[@me323me]

Buckeyes represent!

[@mrguiltyfool]

Mag fed shotgun = problem solved

[@PewLand]

Blahh

[@toddk1377]

Having owned an 870 for many years and have played with many stocks and such, I just prefer an 18" barrel with a one shot mag extension, magpul forend grip, and an AR style adjustable buttstock. The 18" barrel has removable choke tubes and bead sight that has a fiber optic sight. I stay with the 1 shot mag extension because it goes from 4+1 to 5+1 and it remains legal for hunting deer and turkey. If I was in that officer's shoes, I'd just put a top folding stock, had one before on a 590 and it worked great as well as looked cool. Either way, the dfa AR stock is still a good choice and since it's made of metal, it can be used to tame an uncontrollable suspect if need be.

[@jconcord6580]

In my experience, shotgun spread is 90% on the ammo. Sure a 28" is going to have a tighter pattern than a 14", but youre still going to get 6+ hits within 45y with a good round like flite control or some of the newer shit out there. They wouldn't *keep* making short barrels if they sucked. bottom line.

[@jeffadams9807]

6 Rd Velcro Shot Cards Are Alot Better...

[@stripervince1]

All I own are short, in my opinion, shorter is better. AK 47 micro draco, 12 ga shockwave, AR15 300 blackout 5 inch barrel. I just lke em smaller. Never a need for a 700 yard shot in my opinion. Easier to handle, easier to conceal just better all around

[@PewLand]

Im with you, im also a short barrel enthusiast

[@PewLand]

In my opinion i think that the shotgun doesnt have a lot of practical uses for law enforcement other than breaching and shooting less than lethal...a carbine does almost everything better.

[@chemusvandergeek1209]

Bullpup

[@CoryHobbs2178]

Yeah time for that IWI Behemoth lol

[@kencaz]

Just ask any girl if shorter is better...😲

[@mozzberg590]

Good upgrades, wrong manufacturer.

[@dakolbycrittenden-brown229]

Do you prefer ati?

[@mozzberg590]

@@dakolbycrittenden-brown229 no, Mossberg

[@jaimecornejo2185]

Who still uses tac star as “upgrades”? How is this guy still doing channels with bad info. Each weapon system serves a certain purpose. All short barreled weapons are for cqb purposes, entry execution.

[@m.loughlin1915]

Me? 6'8". My home defense 870 sports a 26" fixed Skeet Choked barrel and a 15.75" LOP. Proper fit is the most important issue,

[@thedon7528]

1:11 Gonna nut, GI M16A1