Viking PATTERN WELDING - How To

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Pattern welding is an amazing and amazingly old process where two different steels are forge welded together and beaten, twisted, folded and generally manipulated to make simple and bold or incredibly complex patterns and an easy way to work things out is to use plasticine of all things! My good friend Owen Bush is a master at pattern welding and earlier this year I went to see a sword he had made 'for' the hero in Song of Steel by JC Duncan.
We made a film all about that, but didn't use all of Owens demonstrations or our chat, so in this film, Owen uses plasticine to work out the patterns first and then moves onto steel.....
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@widgren87
@widgren87 3 жыл бұрын
This is the type content that keeps me interested in Metal-working even though I will likely never start myself...
@timcox6272
@timcox6272 3 жыл бұрын
It would be amazing if they did abit of a how to get into/started in metalworking, experimental archeology, archery etc.
@Harry-x4n
@Harry-x4n 3 жыл бұрын
@@timcox6272 Apprenticeship would be my guess. There's school(s?) in my province here in Canada.
@umartdagnir
@umartdagnir 3 жыл бұрын
It's remarkably easy to start doing the simple things. The biggest limitation is a requirement for some space outside, not everyone has a house.
@timcox6272
@timcox6272 3 жыл бұрын
@@umartdagnir the space issue is being dealt with 🙂 have to got any tips on where to look for guidance on starting or recommend books? Before I just Google how to videos lol!
@notcalledbob2654
@notcalledbob2654 3 жыл бұрын
Owen bush does one day blade smithing courses. I signed up for one towards the end of the year, following the last video. Might be worth a look if you have an interest.
@enormhi
@enormhi 3 жыл бұрын
It is such a "simple" idea, just layering a bunch of different steels on top of each other, twisting it a bit, but the results are absolutely stunning!
@5chr4pn3ll
@5chr4pn3ll 3 жыл бұрын
And from the start the patterns were probably just accidents. The method of mixing different irons likely came about because the makers had iron of different quality, so they mixed them together in order to get an average between the two. Either because of availability or will to save materials. Later on though it became more of a mark of quality.
@MadGeorge88
@MadGeorge88 3 жыл бұрын
@@5chr4pn3ll might have just been a shady iron dealer slipping in different quality metal in between blocks, like a gypsy roll, real money on the outside fake on the inside.
@chopgr
@chopgr 2 жыл бұрын
@@5chr4pn3ll Or maybe because due to unbalanced availability, they mixed up any type of ingot they had at that time and ended up "unlocking" some truly wonderous milestones in metalworking.
@j.c.duncan5478
@j.c.duncan5478 3 жыл бұрын
Watching Owen work never gets dull, nor does seeing the sword all pretty and posing on an anvil. Thanks Owen and Tod for making these videos, it was a fun day, and so interesting to listen to the chat. Owen makes beautiful swords and is a wonderful teacher and 'historian of steel'. I highly recommend his bladesmithing school, which he doesn't plug here but I've been on three of his courses and they were all awesome. And do support Tod by visiting his store and buying something shiny. I was a fan of his videos long before I was a customer. He makes amazing historical reproductions.
@Ryzawa
@Ryzawa 3 жыл бұрын
Your book looks beautiful next to the lovely blade in the b shot at the end. And you're right, I'd probably take Owen's course just to hear him lecture, can't guaranteed I'd be able to do anything with the knowledge yet unfortunately. The way he used Plasticine to demonstrate beforehand was brilliant. Also hoping to snag myself a pretty dagger from Tod whenever I get the chance, what a talented bunch!
@tods_workshop
@tods_workshop 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks ReddyUp ad James - it was a pleasure
@ivanjednobiegowiec7656
@ivanjednobiegowiec7656 3 жыл бұрын
... and some dipstick already disliked it? Forheavensake why? You've been shown remarkable technique from ages and ages ago that continue to mesmerize people. With it's beauty, ingenuity and simplicity. You sad, sad person... Absolute joy of watching skilled craftsman converting material into piece of art!!! Cheers! I.
@Kanner111
@Kanner111 3 жыл бұрын
9 minutes that just blazed by, clearly bringing this back was the right call. Such a pretty sword, such a skilled blademaker.
@ScottKenny1978
@ScottKenny1978 3 жыл бұрын
This was a good call, Tod! I was amazed at how that blade looked.
@j.c.duncan5478
@j.c.duncan5478 3 жыл бұрын
So was I. ;)
@petergerdes1094
@petergerdes1094 3 жыл бұрын
I don't understand how you can stay all of humble, sane, calm and friendly when you are a KZbin creator with KZbin comments. I mean surely there is someone being really mean in comments right now. Well however u do it it's appreciated. Great stuff. This is one of my favorites.
@ljharris5823
@ljharris5823 Жыл бұрын
I wont lie... thats the probably one the the top 2 best viking swords ive seen, ever.
@megahamartolos6638
@megahamartolos6638 2 жыл бұрын
Many thanks. The demonstration with plasticine showed the internal helix pattern that my primitive, two-dimensional mind could not otherwise comprehend.
@CarlosRodriguez-dd4sb
@CarlosRodriguez-dd4sb 3 жыл бұрын
Tod is fortunate to know and work with some phenomenal artisans and craftsmen. We are fortunate to know Tod by this channel and reap the benefits and knowledge of all involved.
@tods_workshop
@tods_workshop 3 жыл бұрын
Indeed you are right, I a totally privileged to know a long list of amazing people
@881buddha
@881buddha 3 жыл бұрын
One of the best videos you’ve put out sir.
@legacyShredder1
@legacyShredder1 3 жыл бұрын
I'm probably never going to do this in my lifetime, but I'll watch you do it every time you upload it.
@Steve-lh8by
@Steve-lh8by Жыл бұрын
I've been on one of Owen's courses at his workshop and it was fantastic, learnt so much in two days, highly recommend it.
@PeterDalling
@PeterDalling 3 жыл бұрын
I could watch this sort of stuff for hours. I was lucky enough to do Woodwork, Metalwork and Pottery in school (they were part of the curriculum back in the early 1970's). I just wish I had been able to take up a career in one of them. More of this please Tod.
@raijinmeister
@raijinmeister 3 жыл бұрын
Wonderful video. By Crom, what a beautiful blade.
@keithallardice6139
@keithallardice6139 3 жыл бұрын
Fascinating!! So glad you uploaded this Tod, great content - thank you.
@tods_workshop
@tods_workshop 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@euansmith3699
@euansmith3699 3 жыл бұрын
1:24 I like the engineer's thumb plaster; a bit of insulation tape will keep most things in place. 4:04 Mmmm, I fancy a Bakewell Tart now. 8:28 The idea of promoting the book by getting a sword made is really neat. It certainly generates some multi-media advertising potential.
@j.c.duncan5478
@j.c.duncan5478 3 жыл бұрын
I thought it was a neat idea too! The bonus is I get to keep that gorgeous sword by my desk. for... you know... when I need it for stuff.
@euansmith3699
@euansmith3699 3 жыл бұрын
@@j.c.duncan5478 Fantastic 😍 Letter opening on giant royalty checks, I hope.
@matthayward7889
@matthayward7889 3 жыл бұрын
@@j.c.duncan5478 like negotiating with publishers? The book sounds great, by the way!
@j.c.duncan5478
@j.c.duncan5478 3 жыл бұрын
@@matthayward7889 So the first agent I talked to did immediately suggest that taking it into a pitch meeting would be super cool but that also it would leave them with a vague sense that they shouldn't say no.
@matthayward7889
@matthayward7889 3 жыл бұрын
@@j.c.duncan5478 just ordered a copy for my dad (sadly just the book, not the sword)
@neal4711
@neal4711 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing, I could watch that power hammer all day. 👍
@ReaperCH90
@ReaperCH90 3 жыл бұрын
I'm a guy who gardly crafts anything these days, but I really like KZbin videos in which something gets created
@mrchuffy8320
@mrchuffy8320 3 жыл бұрын
I'm very fortunate to have a sword with a Owen blade and a Tod hilt. It's a thing of beauty.
@margoparts6419
@margoparts6419 3 жыл бұрын
That sword at the end is just magnificient piece of art and craftmanship - amazing! (Y) (Y)
@EkErilaz
@EkErilaz 3 жыл бұрын
Meaning of the runes on the sword: "Geyr Garmr mjǫk fyr Gnípahelli" (Garm bays loudly before Gnipahellir) "Ljós á norðan" (Northern Light)
@caitlinomalley80
@caitlinomalley80 3 жыл бұрын
thank you, I was hoping someone had translated it.
@Tom_Quixote
@Tom_Quixote 3 жыл бұрын
It's full of runic spelling errors though..
@mikurusagawa6897
@mikurusagawa6897 3 жыл бұрын
Bring the popcorn, Tod again made a video about a skill none of us will ever use!
@angrypotato_fz
@angrypotato_fz 3 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you decided to publish more of this material! Thank you, Tod :)
@ricebrown1
@ricebrown1 3 жыл бұрын
I love your channel. Thank you for entertaining and educating us.
@loupiscanis9449
@loupiscanis9449 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you , Tod , and Owen .
@LCantwell
@LCantwell 3 жыл бұрын
I could have watched another hour of that........Would love to see some more collaboration with Owen
@QuantumHistorian
@QuantumHistorian 3 жыл бұрын
Oooh, just what I asked for the other time Owen came on! If this can be a co-operative series where you go over the other steps of historical steel manufacturing (ie, bloomery, crucible, blast furnace, reducing/increasing carbon content, homogenising, tempering/annealing/quenching, case hardening, and all the others I don't know about) I would be sooo happy. It's really hard to fine videos/texts that explains in any detail how this was done historically. Either they assume I have a degree in metallurgy, or given only a one sentence summary of what it is. The history of technology and metallurgy feels like a rich topic that had wide ranging impact, but I simply havent found any way of learning about it.
@martintroy910
@martintroy910 3 жыл бұрын
Yes it's a subject you can get right nerdy about. Check out The Pattern-Welded Blade: Artistry in Iron by Jesus Hernandez an excellent book on the subject of pattern welding.
@shotou
@shotou 3 жыл бұрын
I need a volume two! That novel was so good!
@j.c.duncan5478
@j.c.duncan5478 3 жыл бұрын
Should be December this year! Its finished, its just in editing and cover and formatting and market planning and....
@ivyssauro123
@ivyssauro123 3 жыл бұрын
This is absolutely amazing, honestly one of the most insightful and interesting videos I've ever seen ont his site. Thank you so much Tod, the work you do (Both swordmaking and videomaking) is priceless.
@jamesgoacher1606
@jamesgoacher1606 3 жыл бұрын
I am reminded of the Blacksmith making me a Chisel as an Apprentice Electrician around about 1962/3 I think with the Blacksmit touching the steel with his (relatively) small hammer and the Striker bringing down a much bigger one. It is obviously a while now but I recall being suprised by the questions about how I wanted it to finish up. I thought it was just bashing things. I was young.
@jm9371
@jm9371 3 жыл бұрын
That blade is WOW!
@suedavenport7793
@suedavenport7793 3 жыл бұрын
Some things are just too beautiful for words!
@Carrick1973
@Carrick1973 3 жыл бұрын
That's freaking gorgeous!
@MavenPolitic
@MavenPolitic 3 жыл бұрын
Very happy with the sword I bought from Owen :-)
@stevemackelprang8472
@stevemackelprang8472 3 жыл бұрын
Great demonstration and explanation thank you! and btw the book is good and am looking forward to the next " installment."
@xandervampire195
@xandervampire195 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Tod, bought a Dirk from you which just arrived today and I absolutely love it! You do fantastic work, thank you. I'll definitely be back on your website to buy more stuff in the future. :)
@ljharris5823
@ljharris5823 Жыл бұрын
The runes on the guard sell me on it fkn well done man!
@kevincolwell9575
@kevincolwell9575 3 жыл бұрын
Owen is a hell of a man. Plus great at what he does. (mumbles, "but more complicated" almost under his breath).
@tods_workshop
@tods_workshop 3 жыл бұрын
Good company and a great friend too
@vladimirkovacevic1656
@vladimirkovacevic1656 2 жыл бұрын
beautiful viking sword
@blackwater4707
@blackwater4707 3 жыл бұрын
I'd love to do one of his courses just for more insight into the process because I'm never going to be a blacksmith, but from a writers perspective. It's on the list.
@tods_workshop
@tods_workshop 3 жыл бұрын
He has a very good rep for courses
@dasdexus3889
@dasdexus3889 3 жыл бұрын
great pattern great beard great video
@GrandDungeonDad
@GrandDungeonDad 3 жыл бұрын
Sooo incredibly cool. I want to make one of these!
@ChIGuY-town22_
@ChIGuY-town22_ 3 жыл бұрын
Good stuff, metal working is so much fun.
@andytopley314
@andytopley314 3 жыл бұрын
Please tell me there will be a Part 2 about the hilt! Great stuff, really made it look so simple and explained it so clearly.
@strydyrhellzrydyr1345
@strydyrhellzrydyr1345 3 жыл бұрын
That is some good.. quality work.. wow
@Schizoid137
@Schizoid137 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome video.
@ironanvil1
@ironanvil1 3 жыл бұрын
I did always wonder how the smith could visualise the process of achieving some of the precise elaborate patterns. It's a really elegantly simple mechanism of "prototyping".
@tods_workshop
@tods_workshop 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, very simple
@Smallathe
@Smallathe 3 жыл бұрын
Wonderful demonstration. Thanks!
@fredygump5578
@fredygump5578 3 жыл бұрын
Respect for Tod's diy bandage!
@tods_workshop
@tods_workshop 3 жыл бұрын
I can never find a plaster; I get through them fast
@tabletopgeneralsde310
@tabletopgeneralsde310 3 жыл бұрын
Looks great, very nice smith work
@charlestellis7021
@charlestellis7021 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you 👍
@alicelund147
@alicelund147 3 жыл бұрын
The Riddle of Steel.
@dieselbiggins
@dieselbiggins 3 жыл бұрын
Wow that’s amazing! I want that knife he used and I most definitely want that sword 🗡
@euansmith3699
@euansmith3699 3 жыл бұрын
Indeed, that plasticine chopping knife is a beauty.
@martintroy910
@martintroy910 3 жыл бұрын
That's one of Owen's kitchen knives if Im not mistaken. He makes them quite often and there are likely some available on his site now.
@karllambert2350
@karllambert2350 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing work
@thegeneral123
@thegeneral123 3 жыл бұрын
I knew instantly that was an Owen Bush blade!
@jamielondon6436
@jamielondon6436 3 жыл бұрын
What a beauty!
@stephenrogers7505
@stephenrogers7505 3 жыл бұрын
Gorgeous.
@hullinstruments
@hullinstruments 3 жыл бұрын
I’m in my mid-30s, and began learned making Damascus when I was about 15… can I just say…Jesus Christ it’s wonderful to have access to a press when doing this. Obviously it can be done with no power tools, whether it be press or power hammer. But good Lord a press makes things so much more cohesive and easier.
@columh1589
@columh1589 3 жыл бұрын
I like the knife he used to cut the plasticine
@Vlavir
@Vlavir 3 жыл бұрын
The historical difficulty lies in: 1) not welding the edges of the steel-layer package but wrap it to hold the layers in place 2) using a coal forge (and hold the right temperature and see when it's time to hammer the package) not a gas forge. 3) don't use modern automatic hammers/presses The results of what we see today when a new "damascus/welding" video comes up are (usually) great, no question about that. But it's not a small part of the work that the new (today used) machines take over from the working person. It's a big part. So the intention of this video here was not to show how "hard" it is or to be historical correct. It's a modern explanation of how to (today) make pattern welding. Therefore there is nothing to criticize about the video itself. It brings the main information on point and that's great. But to explain what I meant with the difficulties at first: - Without welding the edges of the steel package it must be wrapped by wire or organic layers. If you do so it might happen that the package won't keep it's form. - Using a coal forge contains 2 main difficulties: 1) no constant temperature like a gas forge (you have to take care of the coal, the air flow etc.) 2) it's harder to see when the steel package reached the right temperature to be forged. - Using a press to form a solid block out auf the steel layers also is a big simplification of the historical process. You have to consider that the press presses the whole surface of the package while with the historical hammering method the package will be formed to a solid block during multiple hammer strokes. During this hammer strokes the layers of the package might deform...there might be air inclusions etc.. A modern press mostly get rid of that problem by just pressing the whole thing in once.
@charlesballiet7074
@charlesballiet7074 3 жыл бұрын
they had water wheel driven power hammers back as early as roman times. also seartch "platters" or platten men, aka they had an entire industry to make steel billots and even sheets of metal that could be cut and forged into armor ect. There is also lots of records of metal purchases and receipts and they do list different grade of steels.
@martintroy910
@martintroy910 3 жыл бұрын
To add to Charles' point setting the weld actually doesnt require a huge amount of force. Your large forces are just required to move the resultant block into a more usable form. it would have been charcoal rather than coal and there are methods of manipulating the fuel in such a way that you can in fact clearly see what you're doing and when the right temps are reached and other visual clues that can be used even if direct view of the billet is hidden by the fuel.
@gallardoguitar
@gallardoguitar 3 жыл бұрын
Just one thing to add: usually, the blade edges were from a high carbon steel, and they were put in place latter, again by welding, like they do with axes, etc. Again, it's harder to do that, rather than forging the whole sword from one piece (but, of course, it's better for a functional blade).
@danieltokar1000
@danieltokar1000 3 жыл бұрын
Yes , modern work is "different" Some things are easier , some harder because of the modern materials and fuels but it takes skill to do it either way. I can say this because I have made swords both ways, 42 years as a blacksmith / bladesmith. It comes down to , what are you after as an end point?. Is the point to have an accurate as possible copy of an ancient weapon , down to the materials and methods , or is it to make a handsome usable weapon in the spirit of an old style. Economics is a problem , To go all the way back to making the iron and steel blooms from bog iron ore using charcoal in a small bloomery furnace would add 100 hours to a sword, Who would pay for the time? I like Todd and his friends , low BS and normal egos, skilled and not just talking to sell their goods. Daniel Tokar The Willow Forge
@gallardoguitar
@gallardoguitar 3 жыл бұрын
@@danieltokar1000 well, I agree with you, but also I think that is not bad to talk about the historical methods when the thing is not "pattern welding" but "viking pattern welding", and for educational purposes maybe it would be great to see the process all by the ancient methods and tools. I do medieval shoes, for example (not for living, I'm a musician) and, when I work at home, I use modern knifes, needles and augers but, when I make a pair of shoes to show the historical way, I use all the historical tools. Once the shoes are finished, they look exactly the same, but the process... well, I think that's the point, and it doesn't take away ANY of the skills this man have. And another thing I don't do very well is speaking English, so sorry if I sound "rude" or something ;)
@vipertwenty249
@vipertwenty249 3 жыл бұрын
I suspect the original reason for pattern welding had more to do with reliability issues with the welds than looks - but the looks took over and made it popular. The twisting would mean there would only be relatively short runs of weld in any section of the blade, so a weld not fully taking would be a bit less of a issue than it would be if it were a long weld such as in the Japanese tradition. As time moved on through the heroic age of the migration period and into the early medieval period the techniques had probably improved enough that the decorative effects were more significant by then.
@lynnettejalufka2682
@lynnettejalufka2682 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome!
@haldorasgirson9463
@haldorasgirson9463 3 жыл бұрын
That was entrancing. Thank you. I'm suddenly feeling undereducated because I can't read runic. Funny, I never felt that way about Kanji. I was totally ok about not being able to read it.
@Tom_Quixote
@Tom_Quixote 3 жыл бұрын
Don't worry, the guy who wrote the inscription wasn't that literate in runic either :)
@desdicadoric
@desdicadoric 3 жыл бұрын
Very interesting indeed
@stepbruv8780
@stepbruv8780 3 жыл бұрын
*GLORIOUS VIKING STEELS FOLDED FOR 10 THOUSAND TIMES*
@docschro6847
@docschro6847 3 жыл бұрын
Seeing the Plasticine wirk give me ideas for cosplay prop purposes, i can't believe i never thought about making Damascus patterns from Plasticine
@brianreddeman951
@brianreddeman951 3 жыл бұрын
Even more impressive are rifle barrels made that way; especially considering the pressures they have to contain. Used to do makume gane ( same process) using gold, silver and copper. Love watching people who've mastered it. :)
@euansmith3699
@euansmith3699 3 жыл бұрын
Where the rifle barrels drilled from a block of pattern welded steel?
@brianreddeman951
@brianreddeman951 3 жыл бұрын
@@euansmith3699 I'm not sure but from the examples I've seen (some dating back to the 18th century) the barrels are probably a single billet that's shaped and bored out.
@tods_workshop
@tods_workshop 3 жыл бұрын
Euan, No they were not. They were made from pattern welded strip, coiled around a mandrel and forge welded into tubes
@euansmith3699
@euansmith3699 3 жыл бұрын
@@tods_workshop Oh, cool. Thank you.
@euansmith3699
@euansmith3699 3 жыл бұрын
@@brianreddeman951 I just googled pattern welded gun barrels, and they are gorgeous. 😍 I didn't know that they were a thing. Thanks for pointing them out.
@captainflint8412
@captainflint8412 3 жыл бұрын
Nice Damascus !
@popperjon9147
@popperjon9147 3 жыл бұрын
Owen is a 🧙‍♂️
@chrischris5081
@chrischris5081 3 жыл бұрын
Another possible reason people started doing this, is that it definitively showed that the blade really was made from multiple layers of metal. Anyone can claim it is multiple layers, but those shows it.
@ivyssauro123
@ivyssauro123 3 жыл бұрын
7:12 The sparks!
@AlmostSilent08
@AlmostSilent08 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing!
@timseguine2
@timseguine2 3 жыл бұрын
Somewhat glad you didn't use the word "Damascus steel" to describe this like so many people do.
@gerry343
@gerry343 3 жыл бұрын
I was just about to put exactly the same comment. So many KZbinrs beat together chainsaw blades and call it Damascus.
@Landogarner83
@Landogarner83 3 жыл бұрын
Why not? "damascus steel" is the correct term for any patterned steel. As far as it is possible to find out, the origin of the term is taken over from the patterned cloth damask (which in turn traces its name to the city Damascus again) So "damascus" steel is simply patterned steel.
@martintroy910
@martintroy910 3 жыл бұрын
@@Landogarner83 Not strictly true. True damascus is a crucible steel traditionally called wootz also called watered steel. where the pattern was formed by dendritic carbides as opposed to mixed steel laminates.
@timseguine2
@timseguine2 3 жыл бұрын
@@Landogarner83 It might be a defacto standard term for any patterned steel now in modern times. And plenty of blacksmiths will have you believe exactly what you just wrote. But historically it is a specific type of crucible steel made from a specific alloy that happens to have a similar wavy pattern when etched. The exact properties and production are still debated, but if it isn't crucible steel, then it definitely isn't Damascus steel, and you can only achieve optically similar looking but metallurgically distinct steel by using pattern welding.
@Landogarner83
@Landogarner83 3 жыл бұрын
@@martintroy910 and @Tim Seguine There is no historic indication at all that the term "Damascus steel" has any connection to wootz other than that it is a subtype of it. In fact all indications are that this is false. The connections of patterns with Damascus comes from the cloth damask that was produced in Damascus in large amounts and imported into europe as far back as the early middle ages. Because of that long history the connection of Damascus with patterns is so pronounced that a lot of languages even use it in various forms to describe something as patternd. For example "damascene" The idea that "Damascus steel" was originally used for imported wootz is actually really new and has lately got a lot of traction over the internet. And with that of course a drive to correct everyone. But in the end that idea is only a "modern myth" and has nothing to do with truth, fact or history.
@888johnmac
@888johnmac 3 жыл бұрын
pattern welding , often a pretty random pattern .. but always beautiful
@martintroy910
@martintroy910 3 жыл бұрын
That completely depends on the smith. You can quite easily plan the pattern you intend to get at the end. Particularly with experience.
@Tom_Quixote
@Tom_Quixote 3 жыл бұрын
Could they have had something like those forge pressing machines in the old days too? Something with a large heavy weight being lifted by geared pulleys and released by pulling a lever maybe.
@angryredcom
@angryredcom 3 жыл бұрын
I appreciate that the power hammer replicates assistants with hammers, but how did smiths of the time go about grinding off the surface material? Hand filing?
@j.c.duncan5478
@j.c.duncan5478 3 жыл бұрын
Chisels, various roughnesses of stones, and a ton of time! (and probably some other methods that are lost to us)
@kovona
@kovona 3 жыл бұрын
Files weren't in common use until the late medieval era in Europe, before that they will usually use abrasive stones for that sort of work.
@EdwinDueck
@EdwinDueck 3 жыл бұрын
Very nice work, love this pattern work.
@Tommiart
@Tommiart 3 жыл бұрын
Tis a fine thing.
@marinabrennecke5495
@marinabrennecke5495 2 жыл бұрын
The blade looks very heavy and thick, but nice pattern. I will try it next year and forge my second sword. How many tons has the forging press?
@stuartburns8657
@stuartburns8657 3 жыл бұрын
Had booked a 5 day sword making workshop with Owen but Covid put an end to that mid 2020 :(
@stevesyncox9893
@stevesyncox9893 3 жыл бұрын
Cool
@LuxisAlukard
@LuxisAlukard 3 жыл бұрын
Great!
@Harry-x4n
@Harry-x4n 3 жыл бұрын
Like was briefly mentioned in the film, it's remarkably similar to what the Japanese were doing with their steel, including the coating of something to protect from oxidization. And twisting being similar to folding. I wonder how much they actually knew about what was going on, and how much of it was simply "we know this happens when we do that." It reminds me of your experiments with the beeswax on the arrowheads.
@martintroy910
@martintroy910 3 жыл бұрын
From reading a lot of older sources on the subject not much. There seems to be a lot of 'Well we did this and the steel turned out good so that's how you make good steel' You'll find mentions of facing north while quenching or quenching in the urine of a redheaded virgin boy. They didnt have the tools to understand what was happening chemically and to be honest metallurgy on the whole is a relatively recent science.
@jonajo9757
@jonajo9757 2 жыл бұрын
I kind of remember the difference of pattern welding and folding, so I'll get into my points on folding first. Despite folding being seen as a uniquely Japanese method for historical steel making, the practice was just actually a common way to consolidate steel whether you were using steel from a bloomery or blast furnace. It's purpose was to work out impurities, and give the steel a uniform carbon distribution due to processes such as turning pig iron (essentially cast iron) into desirable steel in a finery forge, and the same being done to iron or mild steels enriched with carbon. For patternwelding however, I may have to look into it again, but I just know that patternwelding could be for aesthetic purposes where you compromise the material by using phosporus rich metal.
@timrobinson513
@timrobinson513 3 жыл бұрын
What did they use for flux in ancient times?
@andrewrichbell
@andrewrichbell 3 жыл бұрын
What would they have used to grind the block historically? Or would they have used a different method to reveal the pattern? Perhaps 'cutting' the block while it's hot?
@martintroy910
@martintroy910 3 жыл бұрын
Grinding wheels. Large diameter wheels of stone of different grit count. Often water, animal or human powered.
@Jarjar-zv5be
@Jarjar-zv5be 3 жыл бұрын
Im wondering as well. Grinding into the bar seems like an awful waste of metal in a historical setting?
@martintroy910
@martintroy910 3 жыл бұрын
@@Jarjar-zv5be And yet it was done. Im a bladesmith and the method I mentioned above is how they did it. Not a guess.
@knightshousegames
@knightshousegames 3 жыл бұрын
Just out of curiosity, is this something you could do with different metals? not necessarily to create an alloy, but could you take layers of say steel and titanium or aluminum or something like that and do something similar to this?
@athorneau1439
@athorneau1439 3 жыл бұрын
so how would they have held the different pieces together without electric welding the pile together? Some other bloke with pliers?
@the1andonlySherlock
@the1andonlySherlock 3 жыл бұрын
Alright, now do wootz. (btw, if you havent already seen the channel, FZ Knives has awesome videos showing how wootz knives are made)
@tods_workshop
@tods_workshop 3 жыл бұрын
Owen can and does make Wootz, but that is not what this film was about.....
@the1andonlySherlock
@the1andonlySherlock 3 жыл бұрын
@@tods_workshop All I meant was that it would be cool to see a video showing how wootz is made, and how it differs from pattern welding, since there is still a lot of misconceptions about what we do and do not know about wootz.
@nelumbonucifera7537
@nelumbonucifera7537 3 жыл бұрын
How long would it take to grind away all that material with grinding tools of the period, rather than modern abrasives and a power tool? They'd also need use a larger billet to make up for the lost material - requiring more bloom, fuel and labor to forge it. Seems like a fair bit of added expense - only worthwhile for high status objects?
@thehopperhopes6365
@thehopperhopes6365 3 жыл бұрын
Thank You for saying Pattern Welding and not using the D word. Then again you would have Shadversity on your case LOL. I presume thats a langsaex , it looks wonderful.
@zenhydra
@zenhydra 3 жыл бұрын
I find it fascinating to contemplate how etching a pattern-welded blade must have originated. Something mildly acidic might have come in contact with a metal implement and reveled a different coloration between non-homogenous iron alloys. Then someone with the metallurgical understanding to interpret this phenomenon must have inspected this result of pure happenstance, and correctly deduce what had occurred. Perhaps after a few experiments they figured out a repeatable process, and then ran with it. Another possibility that comes to mind is that corrosive substances may have already been in use for the purposes of etching designs into (or selectively staining) metal objects. A particular blade (or whatever) which was a product of two different sources of iron alloy (maybe a sword with a simple iron core and high carbon steel edges) then had an etchant applied for the established purpose, however this time etching the blade revealed the previously invisible welds. After some repeated efforts the sword-maker was clever enough to deduce the aesthetic applications of this process.
@Glimmlampe1982
@Glimmlampe1982 3 жыл бұрын
You can also polish the blade to make the pattern visible. It's just way less prominent. So I guess it was first done by polishing and later through experimentation how to better show the patterns. I think there are textual descriptions about how the dragon or snake in the pattern only reveals itself when breathed upon the blade. I guess like in a highly polished blade on a child morning, when the breath condensates on the metal
@martintroy910
@martintroy910 3 жыл бұрын
Well the pattern would is revealed in the forging and quenching first. The differing composition of the steel means that the scale that forms on the surface is also different and the pattern tends to come out as scale on one steel/iron blows off more easily than the other. Grated as Owen demonstrated the final pattern would be determined by the depth of grinding on the particular billet. When you quench to harden the blade after grinding to final dimensions you get a preview of that final pattern when pulled out of the quenchant. As Gimmlampe says below during the earlier periods of steel and iron production blades were not etched to reveal the pattern and some of the viking sagas talk about breath on the blade revealing the pattern. As far as I remember its not known if during the later viking period if the blades were acid etched to reveal the pattern but it could also have been revealed by corrosion, particularly salt water.
@ivanfiodorov6429
@ivanfiodorov6429 3 жыл бұрын
it's quite cool
@davekingrey1009
@davekingrey1009 3 жыл бұрын
I've always wondered how they held the pieces of steel together to forge weld them without a modern welder to tack them all together before you put it in the forge to do the actual forge welding. I did see one smith use metal hose clamps like you'd use on a radiator hose to hold the billets together until you get the forge weld to stick, but they didnt have those back then either. So what did they use? Wire? Seems like metal wire would have been hard enough to make that it wouldnt be convenient to keep a stock of that around just to destroy it every time you make a blade. But maybe I'm wrong. Also I know sometimes they would fold steel over its self and forge weld it that way but you need two different kinds of steel to get a good pattern. So how did they do it? How did they hold the peices together before the forge welding actually takes place?
@Bentheriault1
@Bentheriault1 3 жыл бұрын
man that's nice
@GeorgiaRidgerunner
@GeorgiaRidgerunner 3 жыл бұрын
Wowee these kind of videos make me jealous we dont have many blacksmiths here in america
@tods_workshop
@tods_workshop 3 жыл бұрын
?????? There are loads and far more than here
@GeorgiaRidgerunner
@GeorgiaRidgerunner 3 жыл бұрын
@@tods_workshop are you sure i havent seen many here
@daveh3997
@daveh3997 3 жыл бұрын
@@GeorgiaRidgerunner Here are 114 bladesmiths, www.americanbladesmith.org/master-bladesmiths/ Here are 100+ swordsmiths--most are here in the USA www.wisepeasants.com/custom-sword-maker/
@GeorgiaRidgerunner
@GeorgiaRidgerunner 3 жыл бұрын
@@daveh3997 Wow i hade no idea there were so many here in the usa
@samnottheotherone4363
@samnottheotherone4363 3 жыл бұрын
Tod I was wondering what kind of steel you use in your reproduction knives and daggers on Tod Cutler. I looked but I may have missed it.
@tods_workshop
@tods_workshop 3 жыл бұрын
EN45 0.7% spring
@samnottheotherone4363
@samnottheotherone4363 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting. I looked at the composition and it looks similar to 5160 which makes sense because spring steel. Thanks for the reply, good stuff.
@Catonius
@Catonius 3 жыл бұрын
'deadly in its spirals'
@prawnenjoyer
@prawnenjoyer 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing that such a simple, basic process can produce such stunning results. Does this process affect the durability of the metal in any noticeable way?
@martintroy910
@martintroy910 3 жыл бұрын
Not in any noticeable way no. You will likely have some carbon loss in the parent steels but on the whole the pattern welded steel will be about as strong as the weaker of the two or more parent steels. Always good to remember when choosing the steels that will go into the pw.
@soldat88hun
@soldat88hun 3 жыл бұрын
amazing how he can just do the forging with his hands
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