Can the Quran Prove the Existence of God? Atheist vs. Muslim

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[@cd3597]

I felt that the caller is dealing with aspects of his religion and he is open minded enough to want to discover the truth. Thanks vimoh. This was a really nice discussion.

[@brahm-ahamasmi]

I don't think he is open minded. He may become open minded in future but presently he is just trying to pacify himself about being open-minded. Any unbiased reading of Quran will make any rational person realize the dangers of Islam. The evidence is all around us.

[@cd3597]

@@brahm-ahamasmi uhm that's a problem most believers deal with. They come to associate emotionally with aspects of their religion because of parental conditioning. I'm glad he's questioning it though. It always begins like that.

[@brahm-ahamasmi]

@@cd3597 I didn't find him questioning. I just found him self-justifying. He is not only justifying his own religion to himself, he is negating other religions as well. He has a very long way to being rational about theology.

[@ImBatuKumAhhh]

Al-Taqqaiya

[@HARSH_KUMAR_JHA_]

PROUD TO BE AN ATHIEST

[@PTSD..]

Just like DC can prove the existence of Batman. 😄

[@nsayyed5469]

Hmm maybe your ignorance is typing

[@prithwipatil5813]

​@@nsayyed5469Batman revealed himself to him.. i didn't know how to type before the reveal of the Batman himself.. exactly like Mhd..

[@shahrock6969]

​@@prithwipatil5813I am real

[@prithwipatil5813]

@@shahrock6969 No doubt.. I am fully convinced my lord🙏

[@PTSD..]

@@nsayyed5469 I don't know if god exists. I can't know that. I would need more proof. Because as per the general scenario. he's not very good at granting prayers and wishes. So I wouldn't spend time and pin hopes on some invisible force which might not exist. I'd rather use the time to entertain myself or do something useful which has a better chance of giving results.

[@swapnilravindra3346]

All the books in this world are written by Humans 😊

[@STUDENT-OF-ISLAM518]

Prove this bro

[@RahulSharma-wt1vy]

Yes 100 percent bro human wrote it

[@sentry5320]

@@STUDENT-OF-ISLAM518 bcoz animals don't speak & write english,persian,hindi

[@VaibhavSingh-nv9tf]

​@studentofIslam-ce1sk how can a being who does not have a physical form in this world write in a human language on a physical object such as a book. If god is not a person like us should he speak Arabic or any other language. Also did god discover earth 1400 years ago or 2000 years ago that he sent a rule book to follow. If some omnipotent creator wanted to share something with us wouldn't it have been through the beginning from adam(as the belief in Bible and Quran says)

[@STUDENT-OF-ISLAM518]

@@VaibhavSingh-nv9tf sure he send from Adam to Muhammad s.a .w you should need more attention please

[@warrior_of_liberation]

Religious people don't realise that if their scriptures with 'supposed' smart things written in them proves God, then the same scriptures with full of contradiction, unscientific, illogical and inhumane things written in them proves that this God is not so smart, vile and an evil monster.

[@udhayveersingh1855]

Hi luffy

[@warrior_of_liberation]

@@udhayveersingh1855 Hellow Nakama 🤟🏼🤣

[@shaileshparekh2607]

😂😂

[@Anxh007]

@@warrior_of_liberation there's nothing in quran which can be proven wrong

[@deepakraj1934]

If God is all good he cannot be all powerful, if he is all powerful, he cannot be all good - lex Luthor ,😁😁😁

[@as00r60]

I lost it at cosmic zebras 😂😂😂

[@ancientminds199]

I use 'wriggly pink hippos' in my argument 😅

[@rationalandcoexistance]

Splitting the moon into two just by signalling with a finger is a proven historic event.....😂😂😂😂... Ohh come on....... Be a little civics and rational with theories of the Quran......

[@swapnilnarendra]

09:59 Can we all take a moment, just to applaud this beautiful answer !!!

[@substantialleague939]

He came to conclusion that people of future gave the knowledge to people of past? Prove the conclusion first may be and then may be we can argue that people from the future came back. U r just saying things whixh u literally cannot prove. Right now do u have a conclusion that u can prove about the knowledge that has been written” in the book???

[@substantialleague939]

But again the question is Why we have to believe out of all the options, GOD (Allah) has sent down the QURAN. 1. Challenge: Allah swt challenges in the Quran, no other being can produce even a single verse of Quran even they try to; Quranic Verse : And if you are in doubt concerning that which We have sent down to our servant, then produce a chapter of the like." (2 23) This Single Quranic verse dismisses ur entire logic that Quran was indeed sent down by the creator. 2. All the scientific knowledge that is been present in the Quran, evolution of embryo, etc, ofc we will not dive into this much as the question of the hour is prove that this knowledge is from GOD. 3. historic knowledge evidences : many historical knowledge findings were also recently discovered by mankind 4 Lingustice Miracle. If u research more on Quran, u would come to about the lingustic miracles that Quran has.

[@rajan8517]

@@substantialleague939 that same thing goes for god also

[@rajan8517]

@@substantialleague939 making verse is subjective matter.when the Quran challenges that no one can produce even a single verse like it, it's essentially a theological statement. It's not something that can be objectively measured or proven in the way we might measure a scientific fact.

[@rajan8517]

@@substantialleague939 can you prove me that moon split happened 1400 years ago ?

[@adityaasopa4031]

There is abundant evidence that even that book is compiled in a period of 200 years, not an unaltered version from year zero.

[@hamzashaikh571]

Compilation and invention are 2 different things. Also, it was fully compiled till the time of Abu Bakr. The very first Khalifa after Prophet Muhammad. So its like only 2 years after his death. It was re compiled at the time of Usman..who was like 12 years after Prophet Muhammad,who was one of his companions into a single Arabic dialect and other dialects were destroyed to avoid inconsistencies. When u say compile, u mean that it was available in scattered form. The verses written on skin, wood, stones etc. It was compiled into a single book. 200 years later the book was being practised all over the muslim empires

[@cyborg6282]

Vimoh you just awakened atheism in me once again i was atheist since childhood but i become irrational for sometime.

[@RishitMeshram]

it happens often with everyone its because we live in a highly relgious society

[@dv9239]

I switched between thiest and athiest a lot in past 5 years and now in the athiest phase

[@RishitMeshram]

@@dv9239 what made u switch to being an atheist

[@adarshrathiiiiiiiiiiiii]

I want to be religious person /guided by religious morality...but From childhood i am atheist i am moral person...but.i want that fear of god to preserve degradation of morality... I want my children to be happily indulge in religious task. While being rational.

[@RishitMeshram]

@@adarshrathiiiiiiiiiiiii i don't think fear of god can preserve degradation of morality

[@ahmadalimd]

Appreciate the way you both conduct the conversation.. very decent

[@CuriousCyclist]

Good debate. Keep up the good work, Vimoh. 👍

[@basupradipn]

It is so heart breakingly pathetic the depths our entire education system has sunk to, that you have adults otherwise claiming to being "educated" in the formal, twisted, convoluted sense of that term, who do not have the slightest understanding of the basic difference between a CLAIM and EVIDENCE. And this I can say with an ever strenghthening conviction being a teacher for 30 odd years in my interactions with even post grads, let alone students of lower denominations. And it is only getting worse with extreme rapidity with ever burgeoning religious obscurantism, amplified conspiracy theories thru the virus of antisocial media, moral policing, and the slow yet systematic subversion of the basic constitutional character of representative democracy centred around the separation of church and state. In all these decades seldom have I come across a student with even the most rudimentary skills of critical thinking, skepticism and rationality, so much so that before even touching any of the core subjects that I teach, I have made it mandatory for these unfortunate ones to learn the basic structure of logic so that they atleast have an escape route out of the hell hole that we call the Indian education system.

[@saikat93ify]

I agree, but what can be the solution to this ? Because people have a tendency to switch off their critical thinking in certain areas of life though they might be highly educated or skilled in their domains.

[@basupradipn]

If it gets switched off there ain't much of it to start with.@@saikat93ify

[@himanshupal6083]

True

[@barnaliadhikary9421]

This guy is definitely find his icon in Zakir Naik

[@Truthseeker838]

Yeah that’s why I abjectly match lines about vedas

[@charbakamunisrestha9557]

It's 😂 simple , just read Sky Book 📚 once in your mother tungue ...the you will understand Joker 🃏 Nalaik Download: The curse of God how I left Islam- Harris Sultan

[@meghac23]

@@barnaliadhikary9421 He was making it a discussion as healthy as possible. He wasn't antagonistic to Vimoh in any way. And kudos to both of them.

[@imsaurav45]

As usual vimoh is destroying the claims😂

[@badralhind8264]

13:44 fallacy of common denominator

[@kenkaneki3921]

My crush is a hardcore religious muslim and we a debate every single week..... she's a highly intelligent person academically, a MBBS student. rational about most things but when it comes to religion, she's just blind. As vimoh said Social conditions plays a really really huge part in forming one's way of thinking. She even says if i gotta marry her I'll have to convert to islam and acc to her allah sent her in my life to make a path for me to islam....like brooooo 😭

[@mother.95]

Your second paragraph is where line must be drawn. Everything is fine as long as religious people don't lump the same beliefs on us.

[@rish8184]

Evolution ko sach manti h kya?

[@kenkaneki3921]

@@rish8184 partiall manti hai, as expected. I was soo surprised ki ye ek mbbs student ha and ise evolution pr doubts ha

[@kenkaneki3921]

@@marketeer813 yes we've talked about everything, firstly as expected she's a homophobic...and I support LGBtq most of our debates have started bcz of this...she claims we should ban this

[@kenkaneki3921]

@@mother.95 exactly, I do like her she's a great human being..but I've made it very clear infront of her that Im not changing my beliefs to please her or anyone else

[@simonmiranda9590]

Gentleman be like, Sure, sure sure.. For every question 😂😂😂

[@ashwanthickasuhirthi1435]

I thought that exact same thing. I was even about to comment "Sure"

[@aroundtheworld8751]

sure !​@@ashwanthickasuhirthi1435

[@aamirshama7452]

Sure 😂😂😂😂

[@aamirshama7452]

" Shor" 😂😂

[@bharatvardhamane2406]

If a book has 10 future predictions and out of which 9 things are right and the 10th thing is wrong then creator of the book was unable to make the 10th prediction so the creator himself is uncertain about the 10th thing this concludes that he is not a Supreme infinitely knowledgeable entity and hence he is not god

[@AbhaySingh-nk6fi]

Hahaha and religious texts have only less than 50 percent prediction correct

[@indianatheist1]

If I predict 1000s of things Many things can comes true but it will not be 100%

[@Garena_fuel]

Bring me one prediction in Islam that has not been correct go ahead bro 👍

[@devilseye361]

​@@Garena_fuelbring me 1 prediction that has been correct

[@Atheist312]

@@Garena_fuelcome to Adam seeker live

[@Dr.AjazShaikh]

Is it that much difficult to understand what Vimoh argues? Enemies of reason!

[@jeeguruji3945]

Salute to your tollerance, Vimoh , how can you have conversations, without laughing on his illogics

[@asadansari3341]

He wanted to be like Zakir naik but got totally roasted 😂

[@kmokashi]

Q: How can an illiterate write a book? Wrong Answer: Therefore he was dictated by God; Correct Answer: Therefore he was not illiterate.

[@sanafatma4625]

You are not ready to accept the real answer, so you make your own false answer😂😂

[@AbdulRehman-h3x]

He didn’t wrote but there were 27 Arabs people who could back than and they learned it and wrote it and preserved it. Also that guy didn’t abolished any claims of the guy at all. He was dodging question how Quran or Muhammad could tell, the books before like bible contain contradictions. Quran doesn’t contain any if you don’t include God, Angel, etc which science can’t prove. Also humans can never travel back in time due to we posses mass. And if they did, surely they will not make a new religion. Now will they and won’t show anyone? Some higher creatures than us could have told Muhammad? Yes this one is correct as Angel Jibrel told Muhammad and told him knowledge of things he didn’t knew and told him future which was revealed to Jibrel by God. He is correct atleast once but the entity have to be like us 3D or could it be higher dimension. Angels are intelligent creatures and when they were created. They literally believe immediately they were created and someone created them.

[@kmokashi]

@@AbdulRehman-h3x - Hello sir, I want to address on thing - 'books before ... contain contradictions' - A scripture must contain contradictions. Otherwise no scholarship is possible. Without contradictions, a reader will not think, analyze and reflect on what is being said. In Bhagavat Gita Arjuna asks a direct question to Lord Krishna 'You sayings are contradictory and is confusing me [Chapter-3 Shloka-2]'. Then the Lord explains in detail about Karma and Jnana Yogas. If a scripture has no contradictions, it will not impart any knowlegde. I therefore disagree there is anything great about a book not containing contradictions.

[@AbdulRehman-h3x]

@@kmokashi But It doesn’t have to if the things it explains are explained enough. And beside that your argument doesn’t work on Quran and guess Bible, or Old Testament might have some of those verses which couldn’t be known as we consider them word of God which are in todays time mixed and changed with humans words but still some verse will remain which were from Allah/God. Also all of the known to mankind contradict with their own words but Quran doesn’t and it’s a fact and prophet s.a.w predictions were true which have happened and ratio is? 100%. While others books you mentioned may don’t even have that 3%. So your comparison is flawed anyway.

[@AbdulRehman-h3x]

@@kmokashi Also you can’t tell someone from future told them as humans won’t live that much and can neither travel in time due to possessing mass. Other 3D creatures from different planet. Why are they not seen now? Where are they and most probably explanation will be is that they will consider us as animals and will rule us. BUT Quran tells this is word of God transmitted by Angel Jibrel and given to Muhammad s.a.w. Thus you are to correct to say that Muhammad couldn’t knew it and someone told it and sure that someone who told Muhammad, he can tell that who told him and he mentioned Angel Jibrel and Angel are higher dimensional being and possessing immense knowledge and you can understand when they were created. They immediately realised that Allah/God created them and bow down their head and it’s Jibrel telling it himself. And what about Quran correcting Bible and Old Testament and lectures on history and science and their belief of trinity (Christian). Quran claimed that those verses were that revealed to Jesus but the people changed them and added them as they see fit.

[@Sh1vashish]

500 years from now some people will worship Danerys Targaryen, mother of dragons and say It was revealed to Holy George RR Martin by the heavenly being.

[@dv9239]

George will be the trickster god coz he fooled everyone into thinking he'll finish the book

[@Sreejithmusic]

They first believe that their scriptures are ultimate. Then they base everything on it... I have been watching quite a lot of discussions on this channel, but none of the believers could come out with something sensible for backing up their beliefs..

[@tns8022]

1) Read why Uthman burnt all the different versions of quran .2) Quran was not written down during the time of Mohammad 3) Mohammad himself told some verses and withdrew it later - satanic verses 4) Even in todays world there are umpteen versions of quran in Africa and Asia.

[@nyxythebaddie]

"trust me bro"

[@indianatheist1]

​@@nyxythebaddie Google it

[@HARSH_KUMAR_JHA_]

PROUD TO BE AN ATHIEST

[@Numan_360]

@@nyxythebaddie STOP MOCKING ! To address why the concept of "Satanic Verses" is not acceptable through a logical and theological perspective, it's essential to consider both the logical reasoning and Islamic principles. Here’s an in-depth analysis: ### **1. Theological Basis and Preservation of Revelation** **Theological Principle**: - **Divine Protection**: Islamic theology holds that the Quran is divinely protected from any error or corruption. This protection is outlined in the Quran itself. - **Surah Al-Hijr (15:9)**: “Indeed, it is We who sent down the Quran and indeed, We will be its guardian.” This verse assures that Allah has promised to safeguard the Quran from alterations or falsehood. **Logical Reasoning**: - **Consistency of Revelation**: The idea that Satan could have influenced the Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.) to insert false verses contradicts the notion of divine omnipotence and protection. If such verses existed, it would imply a failure of divine protection, which is inconsistent with the Quran’s assurance. - **Prophet’s Integrity**: The Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.) is considered the final prophet who conveyed Allah’s message faithfully. The concept of him unknowingly reciting or accepting false verses undermines his role and integrity as a messenger of God. ### **2. Understanding Abrogation (Naskh)** **Theological Principle**: - **Concept of Abrogation**: In Islamic jurisprudence, the concept of abrogation (Naskh) is acknowledged, where certain verses are superseded or replaced by others as per divine wisdom. - **Surah Al-Baqarah (2:106)**: “We do not abrogate a verse or cause it to be forgotten except that We bring forth one better than it or similar to it.” **Logical Reasoning**: - **Purpose of Abrogation**: Abrogation serves to clarify and adapt the message for changing circumstances, not to introduce falsehood. The idea of "Satanic Verses" suggests the insertion of false verses, which contradicts the concept of abrogation where divine wisdom guides changes, rather than error or falsehood. ### **3. Historical and Scholarly Consensus** **Historical Context**: - **Fabrications and Misinterpretations**: The notion of "Satanic Verses" largely arises from historical fabrications and misunderstandings. Reliable Islamic sources and historical records do not support the existence of such verses. **Scholarly Consensus**: - **Islamic Scholars**: Prominent Islamic scholars and historians have overwhelmingly rejected the "Satanic Verses" narrative as unfounded. The consensus is that the narrative is a misinterpretation or fabrication not supported by authentic sources. - **Sahih Hadith**: Authentic Hadith literature, including collections such as Sahih al-Bukhari and Sahih Muslim, does not contain evidence supporting the "Satanic Verses" incident. ### **4. Quranic Integrity and the Role of the Prophet** **Theological Principle**: - **Prophet’s Role**: The Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.) was chosen by Allah to deliver the final and complete message. His role was to convey the divine revelations accurately without alteration. - **Surah Al-Ahzab (33:40)**: “Muhammad is not the father of any one of your men, but the Messenger of Allah and the Seal of the Prophets.” **Logical Reasoning**: - **Final Revelation**: As the final revelation, the Quran is seen as complete and unalterable. The integrity of the message is paramount, and the concept of “Satanic Verses” undermines this fundamental principle by suggesting that falsehood could be part of the revelation. ### **5. Theological Consistency** **Theological Principle**: - **Divine Wisdom and Justice**: Allah’s actions and commands are consistent with divine wisdom and justice. Introducing falsehood and then correcting it would be inconsistent with divine justice and wisdom. **Logical Reasoning**: - **Divine Plan**: If the Quran had false verses, it would imply a failure in Allah’s divine plan. The Quran is meant to be a guidance for all time, and the concept of false verses contradicts this purpose. ### **Summary** The concept of "Satanic Verses" is rejected based on several logical and theological grounds: 1. **Divine Protection**: The Quran is protected by divine decree, and the idea of false verses undermines this protection. 2. **Purpose of Abrogation**: Abrogation serves a different purpose than introducing falsehood, which is not supported by Islamic principles. 3. **Historical and Scholarly Consensus**: The narrative of "Satanic Verses" is not supported by authentic Islamic sources and has been rejected by scholars. 4. **Prophet’s Integrity**: The Prophet Muhammad’s (S.A.W.) role as the final messenger necessitates the accurate transmission of divine revelations. 5. **Theological Consistency**: The concept of false verses is inconsistent with divine wisdom and justice. By addressing these points, one can understand why the "Satanic Verses" narrative does not hold up under scrutiny from both a theological and logical perspective.

[@samuelthamburaj]

Isn't it interesting that that caller hasn't found any contradictions 'yet' in his holy book... I was brought up as a Christian (now an atheist)... i can give you a thousand contradiction in what we supposed to be my Holy Book

[@vimoh]

let him have his journey. he seemed open minded enough. he'll get there

[@samuelthamburaj]

@@vimoh Wow... Vimoh... It's awesome to get a reply from you

[@abdullahtaham]

can u share them? the contradictions... where can i find them

[@rafeeqkhan6268]

Nobody can make someone believe in god thts why even in Qur'an Allah says to prophet that his job is only to convey the message !!

[@Faizalrafi-hx5rh]

​@@vimohHe is open-minded about Hinduism and Christian faith. Not much about Islam.

[@aniruddhadhabarde7372]

Really liked the guest's approach in the second half, he was calm and had the patience to listen!

[@RustyWalker]

The Qur'an proves people invent their own gods to match their sociopolitical needs. The simplest explanation for how the Qur'an - or any other ancient text - has things in it that people could not have known is that it didn't, and the evidence for that is nobody explaining it that way until after it became known. Before it became known, it was understood in a completely different way.

[@dannystark7668]

What are you babbling man.explain it clearly

[@dunus8076]

So your saying it's the matter of interpretation. All the statements are written so vaguely, that It depends on the reader to interpret it.

[@HARSH_KUMAR_JHA_]

PROUD TO BE AN ATHIEST

[@manu18190]

One thing is really appreciated. The Muslim guy is really putting an effort to read hindu scriptures . How many Hindus have read Quran ? . We all need have an open mind then this religious intolerance will go

[@7RU7H-k1l]

I think you haven't met those people. Since I am also seeing a Muslim putting an effort reading Hindu scripture for the first time. Nothing wrong but we need to consider broad spectrum of these things.

[@ryoiki_tenkai_]

Am not gonna read either

[@06nilesh]

How many muslims have read Geeta? Kya chutiyapa bol rha bhai🤦

[@rishabhkhatri]

Reading Hindu scriptures for what? To learn something, no. Just to find faults. And you get what you want to get.

[@HARSH_KUMAR_JHA_]

PROUD TO BE AN ATHIEST

[@Faizalrafi-hx5rh]

Man created GOD in his image.

[@mohammadsheeraz144]

Quran was never written by ALMIGHTY. But it was a collection of learnings, sayings and wisdom accumulated over a period of time. All Religious Books have some sort of mythology in it. They should be treated as "Guidance" to live a life.

[@swayamdevsinghrahal8288]

Gotta give credit where it's due. At least the theist wasn't too rude as compared to others in his community.

[@vimoh]

Rude people exist in every religion

[@swayamdevsinghrahal8288]

@@vimoh By community I meant theism in general not any specific religion.

[@meesumnaqui7930]

In fact there is nothing well documented. First books on seerah or life of prophet was written almost after 150 years of his death. Then the first books of Hadeeth were written almost after 250 years. sab gol maal hai jeeee

[@vancedadder]

source?

[@upscaspirant5666]

After 250 years they compiled hadeeths not written

[@indianatheist1]

​@@upscaspirant5666 lol you don't find any hadees from Mohammad's period

[@HARSH_KUMAR_JHA_]

PROUD TO BE AN ATHIEST

[@imohanwer]

Dear Vimoh i really appreciate your patience ❤

[@AftabKhan-tu3ou]

Hi,Vimoh, I want to know your point of view on purpose of creation that has in Abrahamic Religion ( Adam and Eve committed a sin in influence of Devil) in compared to Hinduism and other asian religion , that stress focus on creation and creator are altogether.

[@user-ff8ox6vq3z]

Bro Adam eve is fairly tail we came from Homo eregastus homo efectos etc.

[@rational_indian]

Proud to be an Ex-Hindu 😊

[@tijunahbsarma]

i worship cosmic zebra, may peace be uppon him, embrace zebraism😂

[@Someone-ee1lr]

Parts of gita, quran, bible are poetic because there were not printing press. People used to remember holy books

[@Vladimir-putin274]

Sir, one peaceful and respectful debate with @muftiyasirnadimalwajidi on existence of God

[@humanityisdoomed]

12:40 Flawless logic, I don't like agree with any of your Politicals stances and find them stupid but truly jitne atheistic arguments hai They are perfect. A Rational person can be Curious, Atheistic, Agnostic,Skeptic only. There may exist a god but that thing that may or may not be god will not he anything like the god we hear in religions. Only the upnaishads make a logical point but again cant prove that so At the end it will Agnostism.

[@storyteller9445]

What does the upnishad say about the God that possibily may exist logically

[@chiruboy23]

When I left my religion I felt truly free.

[@pawansharma8465]

But you don’t have evidence that god does not exist. When u say that particular thing is not exist with enquiring or without any knowledge, isn’t it also superstitious.

[@DeepakBhandari1]

Religion cannot answer what is god. Science cannot answer what is god. Science = God😂

[@nitiz5871]

Loved it, hard to have a sensible discussion about religion.. Hats off to both the caller and speaker to stay respectful and objective. I hope the caller finds truth.

[@dearmanchil]

Civilized discussion yet accurately to the point. An eye opener debate for true seekers who are unknowingly baised towards their native religion.

[@DublinTeyai]

It was not cosmic zebra. It was a naughty pokemon from 16th dimension. But that naughty pokemon revealed nothing, just farted and went back . That fart made some cave people hallucinate

[@60secondmotivation91]

11:50 when something couldn't have been known by humans back then then the source is supernatural and that intelligent being that revealed the knowledge is what we call as GOD. Just put human ego, that says human is the most powerful being, aside and try to acknowledge the possibility of some infinite intelligent being that shared a slight but of knowledge with us, humans.

[@logicalatheist]

God of the gaps....How can an unlettered man recite beautiful arabic verses 1. Maybe he was a good poet. He was gifted with words. 2. Maybe his scribe made sure the normal stuff he wanted to write was written in a flowery way, the way we use Chatgpt to write our letters and essays 3. Maye the book is a gorup work written by a group of people of their own interests decades after his death. Somethign is mysterious, hence GOD exists, is a nonsense argument.

[@explorerali1954]

10:10 people from future 😂 vimoh sir that is something not expected from you, it's a well established fact that time travel in Past is impossible. 😅

[@momo19991]

Brilliant answers and so logical. It is so funny to hear this guy use this reasoning! There are no such amazing verses.The Quran has many scientific errors and absolutely nothing that was not a product of the 7th century. Bring specific ayat to Ghalib Kamal’s channel caller! Vimoh is so amazingly patient and rational!

[@technicalcentury]

Everything is at it place ,but my question is who created universe?

[@king_kloss7822]

I find Vimoh's argument quite good even tho i m a believer of god it's funny how the man was able to find no of contradictions in other religion without a single evidence but the book that was meant to be studied(as whole) from childhood he is yet to discover contradictions and i who haven't even read the book can present no of verses contradicting the logic(thanks to the ex- muslims). Thier loyalty to the faith🤯

[@dannystark7668]

Do you have contradictions in quran.if yes, please can you present it to me , I have to debunk quran.thanks .

[@vancedadder]

​@@dannystark7668how are you on youtube and searching for your answer in comments instead of typing it in the youtube search bar?

[@Imfoxxx-iy6gg]

ISKCON always bring bhagwatam and Bhagwat Geeta to prove their point. I personally believe in god and lord Krishna, it’s just a faith that I have which I may not prove.

[@abhijeetchavhan37]

You and Krishna are one .

[@brahm-ahamasmi]

LOL! So cute he was trying to hide being a Muslim

[@sandeepkumar-of4wy]

Let me end the discussion here. The universe was created by Superman. Prove me wrong..

[@himquantum]

Vimoh, if you dont know top 10 contradiction in every holy book, then you should debate on Atheism.. it Just makes you look uninformed

[@paragdahal3737]

No extra points to Vimoh for being so composed. That's only expected from him. But I really appreciate the man on the other end. Very surprisingly for a religious man, he is nice, gentle and behaving in a gentlemanly way while arguing with an atheist.

[@farooquisaad2380]

A man who was looking for Islam gave him such a difficult time...imagine if there was a knowledgeable islamic scholar

[@sandeepsuman6381]

It's just a tolerance level of vimoh , he doesn't make fun of his logics and debated with him peacefully without offending anyone's belief Many islamic scholars have been defeated by atheist

[@dharmeshspandey]

I know muslims don't understand the value of tolerance, you should appreciate Vimoh the next person was very silly with his points. That intolerant behaviour let muslims down for centuries Vimoh might be arrested for having such peaceful and logical conversation if reside in Islamic nation!

[@eraserhead9335]

They claims to understand the universe n his creator but in reality they can't even get up the logical fallacies

[@prithwipatil5813]

Interesting discussion.. I like the way you answered him..

[@faaraanaqil4711]

Can you prove that the earth and stars are selfmade

[@Learnit24-7]

VIMOH-: May I know your religion ? Caller -: For the sake of arguements lets not disclose it. VIMOH-: Are you born in Muslim ? caller-: Yes !!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@No-I-dont-want-that]

To prove your religion, you have to talk irrational stuff. The guy tried to rationalize his talk, and proved nothing.

[@hiteshrx2024]

Here's a spider man comics that says spider man exists. It is written right in the book.

[@DanishAhmad-zq1do]

host : tell me one faith or book you can use as evidence so we can go further to discuss w hat is the evidence guest : Explaining the doctrine of islam, how God created this universe and sent his messenger guest (interrupting) : but the same concept is there is other religions problem : without realising that that won't make any difference expect that it made thai claim stronger. host : why do you believe Quran is any different guest : as it can be traced back to it's very origin (and is found to be preserved, I belive he would have said if allowed) host: Christians and Hindus trace their scriptures too (to what, he never explained, forget about preservation) problem: clearly an ignorant statement as No Christian in the world can claims the Bible to be preserved, there were 104 of them, only 4 we're kept later by people (not Jesus), even Hindus haven't claimed the vedas to be eternal, they also use other book with has contradictions with Vedas

[@abhijeetchavhan37]

The Vedas are a Compilation done by Vyasa . There are Contradictions in Vedas because there are different perspectives and people are aware of it. Neither the Vedas Hold the authority... they upanishads themselves says that they only say the truth which already is there . And you don't necessarily need them . They are not like the Quran or Bible. Not only that . One can differ from them too.

[@DanishAhmad-zq1do]

@@abhijeetchavhan37 honestly, I didn't quite get your point what you wanted to conclude from your comment

[@abhijeetchavhan37]

@@DanishAhmad-zq1do wht I'm saying is the knowledge becomes cannon fodder for the ego . Them some other sage comes and explain things in different terms . So Vedas aren't like Quran . One n done. World changes so does the philosophy

[@DanishAhmad-zq1do]

@@abhijeetchavhan37 okay, agreed. World changes so does philosophy but truth remains unchanged.

[@abhijeetchavhan37]

@@DanishAhmad-zq1do yes . The languages and the ways changes and but the truth stays the same . But the literature becomes cannon fodder. So contentions do happen . Because truth is cannot be conjectured .

[@VishalMishra-xe7nj]

Man asking a question is open minded . That how you learn and become resonable . VImoh lots of love

[@Pixelspie]

And about the prophet Mohammad, there is a contradiction between Sunnis and Shias. Amongst Muslims shias firmly believe that the prophet could write and read, whereas Sunnis believe the prophet couldn't read or write. ( I am a Shia)

[@samiabdul9754]

Although islam fails as an entity that is good for society I still wouldn't have left it , the obvious basic science errors in quran and hadith made me leave it mohammad didnt knew about solar system , function of brain confused with heart , he didnt knew world will advance so much he predicts mehdi will fight with swords and horses ,he even showed the location where mehdis army would hang their swords and pray to god 😅

[@hiteshgupta13]

I really like the person, seems like he is more interested in discussion rather than debate.

[@nazemulhoque3679]

I think from human perspective nature is god, nature deside who would be next

[@mhmmdmz]

Evidence can be multifold - as simple as - look around you and name something that came into existence by itself .... and could be as nuanced as the Qur'an and its miraculous nature. What Vimoh saying about the documented structure is all BS without specifics. God exists because the Qur'an says He exists. The Qur'an makes claims about itself and about God, those should have been discussed. I would encourage Vimoh to read the Qur'an and then probably discuss on the specifics.

[@mhmmdmz]

The argument the other guy was making was perhaps - Qur'an exists - it's a uniquely patterned book that has been incredibly preserved and has no contradictions. It was revealed to a man who known to be trustworthy in his community (as per historical accounts that aren't Muslim) and couldn't read or write. So either he copied it, came up with it on his own or someone gave it to him who wasn't known to the people then (else they would've all believed) ... and you can build the argument from there on.

[@indianatheist1]

​@@mhmmdmz there are lot of contradiction in Quran and Quran is not 100% preserved There are different versions of Quran.

[@mhmmdmz]

Let’s not speak in generalities.

[@Skepticastiel]

Great work vimoh

[@rafeeqkhan6268]

Dedinition of God- He is one,he is not born nor gave birth to anyone,nobody is equal or similar to him,he dont die and he is eternal,he created time !!!!

[@Raushan.Chitransh]

But Allah has Emotion , just like we human have...😊😊😊

[@syedbasheeruddin6934]

​@@Raushan.Chitranshwhat where lol And your freking audacity when ur godmen have atrocious desires and fareaking families and many more And yeah ALLAH SWT IS NOT HOPLESS, NEITHER DEPENDAPLE , NOR EMOTIONAL BUT WRATH DOES EXIST WITHOUT WRATH THERE WOULD BE NO JUDGEMENT , NO PUNISHMENT SO IT IS NESSECARY FOR THE SUPREME BEING TO HAVE WRATH i.e power of destruction And again its just 'kun' 'be' And 'fayakun' ' it is '

[@HARSH_KUMAR_JHA_]

PROUD TO BE AN ATHIEST

[@shaileshparekh2607]

Why we need god ?

[@dhrbolai]

something to hold onto for believers

[@jitukumar-wx3hc]

For entertainment

[@deepakraj1934]

For travel and tourism.

[@VRHere3107]

​@@jitukumar-wx3hctrue 😂

[@aamirkhan943]

To enforce "Act of God"

[@Ranjul_kumar]

Nice and civilised debate/discussion.

[@swapnilnarendra]

I believe this Universe was created by a Jaadui chhipkali. And that chhipkali gave us the power to think and create stuff. But it did not give us the power to climb walls. And that is why the world is crumbling right now, because us humans have now started innovating and climbing walls. The Jaadui chhipkali does not like it. PROVE ME WRONG !

[@dear_imran]

Your cult sounds interesting I wanna join :D

[@indianatheist1]

No😤 I believe in Flying Spaghetti Monster

[@rahuldeshpande7159]

Correlation does not always mean Causation.. 😄😄

[@bemadamigos6622]

Vimoh's focus is phenomenal 7:50 "If there are verses that cannot be explained, how does it prove that god exists". He knew where to look. The point here is: How can you believe or understand something written when there is no explanation by it. It would be like reading a foreign language that you don't understand. Edit: Great going with the Socratic method Vimoh 👍 Edit 2: Really carrying out the meaning of your name man 😂 Vimoh - Disillusionment

[@rinkulahre1698]

Keep it up vimoh 😊😊

[@fayazvar3948]

If we take religion out of the world, the world itself will become hell.

[@tariqyousaf9948]

The law of nature is pure God(Spinoza's God),and Math is the language of the Great God,he doesn't intervene in our sphere.

[@user-tr4oz9cj6p]

I have one doubt about Buddhism! Is it atheist or something else or they warship god?

[@user9_11]

Budhhist and Buddhism don't claim the existence of God in their manuscripts also and even budhha's teaching was about self-improvement and having life which has no suffering. Buddhism is itself a movement against God worshipping and Animals sacrifice for God.

[@user-tr4oz9cj6p]

@@user9_11 i guess you are too confused! If Buddhism is atheistic then what are the other types of atheists. here I am confused! are all atheist, Buddhists or their other types i don't know about.

[@janedhiraj]

I found those people more strange who thinks that all religions are illogical but in which they are born has at least some logic😃

[@malcolmabram2957]

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 1 Corinthians 2:14 KJV. (Bible)

[@vimoh]

If he cannot know them, what are you trying to explain?

[@malcolmabram2957]

@@vimoh Thank you. There is a gulf of a difference between knowing about and knowing in reality. The man who rides a bicycle has experienced the bike, and is so much more at an advantage than those who know about bikes, but have never ridden one. The same is true with God. We can only experience God and such is in Spirit. Relationship with Him is in Spirit and such is true life. He gives to us, and such a relationship is now on His terms which is faith. Without faith, we can only pretend to know Him on our terms. All the theology, all the scriptures, all our isms and philosophies, all the debate, all our knowledge is but of the human mind and that is not true life. Scripture becomes of great value if God energises such with His life as we read. No scripture can prove the existence of God, indeed no worldly metric can prove (or disprove) who He is, as He is Absolute. Debate about Him , in the end, goes nowhere, save to establish our own misconceptions. The only way is to know Him is in faith, which is a gift from God.

[@vimoh]

So make up your mind. Can god be known or not known?

[@RustyWalker]

Gaslighting

[@malcolmabram2957]

@@vimoh Of course He can. But it has to be on His terms. However, His terms are open to all.

[@STUDENT-OF-ISLAM518]

Insani kalam kesa hota hai? A:Insani kalaam me trial or error se banta hai Khuda ka kalaam kesa hota hai? A:khuda ka kalaam trial or error se paak hota hai Yes QURAN is God word because Quran has no trial and error

[@prashant-bm4fp]

😂😂😂😂

[@STUDENT-OF-ISLAM518]

@@prashant-bm4fp bro ilmi behas karo jab jwab ni hota to aksar insaan aisi harkaat karty hai jwab do

[@prashant-bm4fp]

@@STUDENT-OF-ISLAM518 so God's word came after 4000 years of starting of the world civilizations ? Bro that's not God's word. Quraan copied texts from Egypt, rome, indian, Chinese civilization and Bibles. Even after that it has barbarian rules because of which millions of people died.

[@user9_11]

Budhhist and Buddhism don't claim the existence of God in their manuscripts also and even budhha's teaching was about self-improvement and having life which has no suffering. Buddhism is itself a movement against God worshipping and Animals sacrifice for God.

[@brahm-ahamasmi]

He is saying he didn't find any contradictions in Quran. I was born in a Hindu family but found plenty of contradictions in ALL so-called scriptures, including Vedas, Quran, Puran, Bible etc. It is so easy to find contradictions and fallacies in ALL old scriptures. In fact most of these religions became popular because of their tribal nature. People didn't really read the books and it is even true today. Number of Muslims who know what Quran says would be less than 0.1%. For Hindus the number is even lesser for their so-called religious books. A Billion strong Hindus and hardly any academic commentary on Vedas, Purans, Upanishads etc from Indian Hindus.

[@Bone.doctor.v]

The guy who claims that quran hasn't had any change since it was given to Mohammed by God doesn't know that the Qur'an has as many as more than 20 different versions and has words and sentences which are entirely different from one another. Actually many countries in Africa follow a different version of quran than the one followed in the Arabian Peninsula 🤦🏽 Mohammad claims that Qur'an is from God, if you ask them what is the proof they will say that it's written in Qur'an. The you will ask who told you so then they will say that Mohammad said so🤦🏽 It's like a circle you will go from Mohammad to quran to God and then from God to quran to Mohammed 😀

[@HariKaushik-pj4mn]

Hello Vimoh can I register myself as a non religious person according to law is there anything according to law that accepts me as a non religious person... and can a non religious person apply for government jobs

[@rajeevpandey3403]

India doesn't have the rule that u need to follow a religion to get a government job.

[@OmKumar-xd3vk]

No absolutely no 😂

[@dharmeshspandey]

He is just a fundamentalist, atheist and sceptical about other religions but conservative for his own!

[@mdmod-iw3ok]

U can deny dut u cannot deny your existence

[@aroundtheworld8751]

why the f that guy is stuttering so much ??? !! so annoying! bro speak in hindi, no body is going to judge you. 🤦

[@dipyaman93]

However his argument for quran's ubroken tradition is remarkably different from bible and vedic traditions. but that may be because its a newer religion than those. So I think Vimoh also has lapses in his understanding of religion

[@samuelthamburaj]

Wow... New மொட்ட பாஸ் look.... Awesome buddy

[@vimoh]

translate please

[@parikannappan1580]

translation (mota boss)@@vimoh , slang which refers to Rajnikanth

[@samuelthamburaj]

@@vimoh These Tamil words refer to Rajnikanth's character in the 2007 movie 'Shivaji' Here is how he looked in that movie i1.sndcdn.com/artworks-000010573263-dxp56d-t500x500.jpg Literal translation மொட்ட = Shaven head பாஸ் = Boss

[@MrMhsn]

I think caller is in the exploring phase now. It's a good thing. So my suggestion to caller is, first measure your moral ground, I mean where do you stand as a human, let's find out first. For example, if all knowing god said you to kill someone if someone just criticize him what would you do? If someone draw a cartoon about your prominent religious figure what would you do? In your eyes where your wife or women in general stands? Should they have equal rights as man or they can be just treat as child producing 'agricultural land'? What women or anyone should wear, eat? Would you like some intervention from your country about those topics (e.g what you can wear & eat)? Do you like diversity? Would you like if government would treat you differently based on your religion & if your not from their favorite religion would you agree to become second class?.............After finding the answer about these question then read Quran. Look there how a non Muslim is treated there, how a entity who creates the universe reacts to human criticism, Look how women is treated etc.....Then ask yourself if truly omnipotent being who created the whole universe, every star, every planet, every dust & debris can think this narrowly?

[@utopianguy]

It always amazes me that most Indian people are ready to believe anything on the grounds of such flimsy facts. Most people don't understand the absolute rigor that is necessary in academic setting to present any claim as fact. They think hearsay and third/fourth person accounts written hundreds of years ago can be accepted as fact

[@sunilsingh-vf5qn]

It’s true for any religious community from all countries not just India. Indians can be atheist and secular humanist who believe in rationals vimoh is one of them. You should have used the word religion not Indian. Indian is means people or citizen of India. who can be Hindus, Muslims, Jains, Buddhist, Christians, Parsi ( zoroasters which I am pretty sure you have non in your area ) ( we have the second largest population of Muslims and one of the largest Christian population in the world entire north east is Christian). Don’t confuse Indian word with a religion just shows your ignorance. Now waiting for you you edit your comment or make a comeback. Cheers mofo.

[@sunilsingh-vf5qn]

Utopian guy seriously mofo that’s name you are going with you are someone who just read tempest and some essays about it and never even figured out that its impossible to have utopian society( actually is it’s like having heaven which is impossible to have) because one needs to blissfully happy and not have knowledge to be agree with utopian society because it’s conformist mofo.using the word utopia is a punch line to you mofo. Please don’t tell me the origin of the word is actually Greek cause you didn’t know it even.

[@utopianguy]

@@sunilsingh-vf5qn I have used Indians here because that is my primary experience being Indian myself, those are the group of people I know most about and I primarily associate/concern myself with. Apart from India I have lived in United States for over a decade and I can claim to know United States and its people as well to a certain extent but my formative years were spent in India and hence my thoughts by default are from an Indian perspective I agree that religious people from all country will behave and think in such biased manner. However, here we are not talking about an exclusively religious person. The concerned individual in the above video claims that he is trying to learn about all religions and trying to find truth in his own way. Such people need to be more thorough and vigilant in their analysis if they want to seek truth Apart from this I still stand by the fact that most Indians are really shallow in their arguments and don't really understand the difference between facts and opinions. I can say this with more confidence after having lived in United States and having had countless discussion on religious topics with people here in United States. Not saying that people in United States are 100% rational in their approach in fact they are far from it but there is more general awareness of difference between fact and opinions and the level discussion is not so unsophisticated. For example, people don't call someone motherfucker because they don't like their opinion.

[@CodeNostalgia90]

Keep aside the scriptures Concept of God can be derived from evidences present in the nature.

[@ui-we2077]

In 6th century only prophet mohammad was illiterate and everyone there in saudi arabia has a university degree in comparative religion 😂😂

[@a_dev6696]

Thermodynamics>>>>>>> Atheism

[@himquantum]

15:48 😂😂😂😂😂 zero contractions in my sky Book - every religious guy

[@chowdhurymeherali-mf9vz]

is it very necessary to prove the existence of god? we are surrounded by enormous stuff, each stuff has creator whatever that is. we didn't see the creator of that stuffs but we believe in that stuff's creator. in the universe we see there is sun, moon, star, meteor and galaxy. this thing not created itself. of course there is one creator. whom we called god. sake of argue, our parent is our god without them we not be created. nature is the part of god's organogram.