Stats Dont Matter - Elite Dangerous

[@VindicatorJones]

Just like Statistics, dont take this video too seriously. Its more about stop worrying about the meta, and enjoy what you love to fly.

[@emiliouchila]

i get your point but is hard to think that way when i can do 2000 damage with G5 overcharged frags in a corvette. i can go to any Cmdr with any ship and probably ko him/her in less than 10 seconds by the time i empty the mag. specially if i get close for a surprise attack

[@Beer_Dad1975]

Amen

[@VindicatorJones]

@@emiliouchila Not unless they keep their distance and attack you at range.. All builds have a weakness, and frag builds can easily be countered with FAOFF reverse flying at range with long range weapons.

[@K1lostream]

Yup - did you know that 88% of all statistics are made up on-the-spot? (This rises quickly to 100% if you are talking to a politician).

[@emiliouchila]

@@VindicatorJones yes that is true but most of the time on PVP frag users just get close to their victims and strip them down before they can react and boost. and if you are really good at flying the fight wont take more than 30 seconds and that is the problem. i wanted to ask: do you have a video of PVP using frags?

[@KamiRecca]

Stats are not Bullshit! They are very important to determine how to play with your ship. For example, my Cobra III got Strength 9 (-1) Dexterity 17 (+3) Constitution 8 (-1) Wisdom 15 (+2) Intelligence 16 (+3) Charisma 18 (+4) So you see it would be a terrible barbarian but a passable rogue, Wizard, Bard or Ranger. and you say stats are meaningless

[@hiddencloudninja]

lol is this EDRPG?

[@ablebaker8664]

@@hiddencloudninja ED&D

[@VindicatorJones]

Thats it, you get a disadvantage on your next role..

[@seanforsythe78]

4 stat rolls at or above 15. Thats pretty damn good.

[@KamiRecca]

Sean Forsythe, thats including Ship Bonuses of +2 Wisdom and +1 Dexterity. Oh and we also roll 4D Internals and engineer the lowest

[@evoeightyci]

I watched a Commander kill a Thargoid in a an Imperial Eagle. Yea, no stats except his own controlled that kill.

[@delta4phoenix4]

I got told SO often that turrets are crap, but I think they are really useful, but only in one specific role: Wide coverage. My Anaconda can blast any small ship to bits within seconds. If I were able to get the small ship in my crosshairs for that time. 9/10 times, I can’t keep them on my screen. Sure, that might mean that I am a bad pilot, but even Rinzler or Jones or John Jameson wouldn’t be able to keep a small ship in the crosshairs for long. My turrets allow my to keep firing on a target that is not directly in front of me, or even behind me. Are they good against large ships? No, but that is why I have gimballed large weapons. Against small ships, my turrets work wonders.

[@delta4phoenix4]

@@JG27KornyI am not very far with engineering, but I am mostly an Explorer, so most of the ship I fight are Pirates after my cargo/data and have to take mass into account. Smaller, lighter weapons are very good for this, and lasers are even better since I spend most of my time far away from stations. But you are right. When facing anything larger than a python I mostly flee.

[@CMTechnica]

Bump. I run burst turrets on the Vette, overcharged with phasing (2 huge beams, overcharged thermal vent). The beams are more than enough to defeat Elite ranked AI Vettes in tandem with the turrets, and I don't drop to less than 30% shields (unless I ram)

[@Jazod]

Small ships aren't an issue when you can one-shot them.

[@CrayvenCarnage]

Turrets also have one other factor that many forget, even the pitiful dps of a couple of small turrets still prevent shields from recharging. So even against big ships, if you manage to get out of their crosshairs for a few seconds you will regenerate shields, they won't.

[@Jazod]

@@CrayvenCarnage Chaff lol

[@LegendaryGauntlet]

Python addict here. It's the most versatile ship in ED universe, just edging above the Krait MKII due to having one more size 6 internal. Once engineered it handles correctly, and packs a huge lot of firepower, can jump good distances, have cargo, limpets, interdictor, you name it, all that at once and get on assassination missions and most importantly at the end land on a medium pad. Oh and the cockpit is sexy, cozy, and non intrusive with decent visibility.

[@VindicatorJones]

It's duller than beige mixed with more beige wrapped in a beige blanket and dipped in Beige paint and left in the sun to turn just that right shade of beige.. Krait Mk II kicks its ass from here to pluto. ;) BUT HEY.. thats just me.. as I said, fly what you love... Your still weird tho. XD

[@LegendaryGauntlet]

Haha i get your point :D Mine is bright yellow and it looks exactly like a space lamborghini (as i didnt fail to notice FDev used the same design cues as the Countach on many aspects..). And the G5 thrusters make it swerve around quite well :) I understand why the default non-engineered ship can be underwhelming.. The extra size 6 internal allows me to have a nice cargo rack in there or transform it into a passenger hauler in a pinch, Krait lacks something there limiting options. I like options :-D (also Python armor is so good..) (here is my combat mission python: s.orbis.zone/170q )

[@smexehcougah3]

I personally think that the only reason for buying a Corvette is if your Anaconda is too small and you need to compensate.

[@LegendaryGauntlet]

@@smexehcougah3 I thought the Corvette was a bit smaller ?

[@smexehcougah3]

I believe it is smaller, but it's intense focus towards combat helps some commanders feel like a big boy.

[@Monody512]

Got it. >Starts building a combat Hauler

[@Kaitain]

"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take".

[@Jazod]

Okay?

[@goji059]

please attribute that quote to #99 please

[@rickkcir2151]

-Wayne Gretzky -Michael Scott

[@ChunterGB]

I run weaponless in my corvette, I just throw left over salt from the forums in the pilots eyes and watch them crash into each other and die.

[@KirstenBayes]

Exactly! I had a fully engineered FDL for a long time. It had all the things. Never flew it - just didn't like it. Now, the flying brick that is the Federal Gunship? Man, I went exploring in it, ran cargo in it, and you bet I shot stuff up in it. Just liked it.

[@LegendaryGauntlet]

The gunship handles like a pig and is about just as ugly. But man, how much dakka can you mount on that beast. I like it too for some weird reason. It's brutality embodied in a spaceship.

[@KirstenBayes]

@@LegendaryGauntlet I kind of like it's looks: it is clear what it is!

[@deathtodiablo7402]

I use mine for goids it gets the job done and I feel more confident when shields go down due to good armor and plenty of mass it’s not as maneuverable as a goid but it can stay and fight

[@BarnardoPlays]

14 people have a spreadsheet on why you're wrong and should be taking an Anaconda into combat

[@VindicatorJones]

LOL.. I love how some people have tried to argue with me in the comments using actual stats..... Im just sitting here with popcorn watching the comments roll in

[@10siWhiz]

How the big ship meta has changed....

[@UmbraAsterism]

Look, the Anaconda had exactly 1 thing that keeps me coming back to it. The fact that I own one and can't buy a Corvette for 5 more ranks >.>

[@Black3ternity]

Weirdo Python Loving Freak of Nature here: Thanks for this video. I ALWAYS struggled with what ship to buy next. After my Cobra Mk III, I had no clue. I wanted the best Bounty Hunting Ship out there. Googled around - a friend recommended the Python. Bought it - was happy. But it was sloooow - well because Engineers weren't a thing then. (Still haven't engineered anything of it). But was happy. Bought a Vulture and really got into "personal combat" because it was so maneuverable and fast. My "End Goal" was always the Anaconda. The "Big gun". Now I fly it and want to reach the proper ranks for the Corvette and Cutter. To drive my point home: I honkered down about spreadsheets and ship builds, tried a TON of different loadouts and NEVER had I that "EUREKA" Moment when I entered a HazRez-Site where I just pwned everything. Beam Lasers rocked - but my Heat was critical. All - The - Time. Back then the Shotguns and Railguns weren't a thing and I was a shit shot - so I needed (and still need) to rely on Gimballed weapons. I realized that I fly with MY combination of weapons that suit me best. Not the majority of players or the "best spec sheet". But MY comfort zone. My Anaconda is slow as hell because I haven't engineered it. So I stick mostly to Turret-Weapons. Why? Because they keep firing when the enemy flies over me. Is it lower DPS than everything else? Sure. But it gets the job done. Thanks for this video and I hope many many commanders will see it aswell. Stats only matter to give you a general direction. If you pick up a Type 6 with crap loadout-options for Bounty Hunting, the stats will show you. But the difference between 2 combat ships is negligible and you should always choose what suits your playstile more.

[@antwan1357]

This is why I fly the Diamondback Scout it can fire non-stop do circles around enemies , and the view is wonderful. You have a much easier time enjoying the view .

[@Diarmuhnd]

i hated my time in Elite Dangerous but i saw your vids 'extra's and i got all warm and fuzzy from the nostalgia hit. Thanks. Thumbs up even though I still wont return to ED. :) Have a nice holiday season @Vindicator Jones.

[@pyomiethe]

i’d say my favourite ships to fly are the Asp Explorer, because i love exploring despite how long it takes, and the Vulture. quick and nimble, just my style. Tanky built ships are alright too, but it’s much more fun to be right in the action zipping about, dodging this way and that, etc etc.

[@Shedovv]

Amazing Video, we literally had a conversation about Anaconda and Corvette on The Vindicated Discord like yesterday (or was it a day before yesterday?) and I had to explain the same thing about Vette eating Conda due to it having more better things than just DPS. But I also have to agree about the statement of it all being bollocks and people needing to fly whatever FEEELS best for them. Just because I am utteraly convinced that a Vette is superior to a Conda doesnt mean I am going to walk around literally spitting in the faces of and castrating people who love the Anaconda more.

[@kaizaki9148]

I agree almost completely, my favourite ship changes depending on what mood I'm in, the other day I found myself racing those little trenches on a coriolis port in a sidewinder. Most fun I've had in days I recommend it.

[@rankcolour8780]

Thank god someone finally said this.

[@awoofwoof2565]

I decided to try out the imperial courier and keep my Vulture to decide which one I liked better. I no longer have my vulture. The imperial courier was much more fun and cheaper.

[@Giraffinator]

This video has given me the confidence to come out as an eagle freak and reveal that I am attempting to fully engineer my eagle mkII for combat.

[@d00mg4ze]

Oh my God, I thought I was on the only one!

[@Giraffinator]

@@d00mg4ze yoooo, rise of the eagle, brother

[@I_Am_Caliban]

I’m glad this video was listed in my recommended feed. I’ve been struggling with the idea about whether I should get me a Krait or if I should just stick with my trusty Asp X. I’ll keep what you said in mind when I’m about to cross that bridge o7o7o7

[@bverkist]

It's an objective fact that the keelback is the best combat ship. Alright, maybe not the "best", but definitely the most fun and unique.

[@VindicatorJones]

Get in the corner until you realized what you have done.. go on.. Keelback.. hmppff... more interesting than a python though I guess..... ok.. you can come back out now ;)

[@CMDRNaQan]

Won many PVP encounters with that ship :)

[@bverkist]

@@CMDRNaQan Who said anything about winning? I said fun. Who expects a keelback attack? Though, now that I think about it, it wouldn't make a half bad pirate against other cargo ships. Thanks for the idea.

[@CMDRNaQan]

Brandon Verkist I meant. I won many PvP fights with my Keelback, taking out big-3s and a couple elite meta FDL.

[@bverkist]

@@CMDRNaQan That makes it even better. I myself am not yet a great combat pilot.

[@kubel83]

Pick what suits your play style. Sure I have the big powerful ships. Corvette etc. but I find myself going back to smaller and faster ships cause I like speed. When it comes to bigger ships I actually play my cutter more than the corvette. No big ship can keep up with my speed. And when I turn around and fire 8 torpedoes followed up with 4x pack hounds and one huge multi cannon. Most bigger ships will flee when shields goes from full to zero in seconds and they see the hull melt from the volley of missiles coming right after. Damn Combat loggers. Btw I only attack if attacked first. But yeah play what suits you.

[@antwan1357]

My favorite ship is always the stay alive factor . If your ship starts getting targeted by five ships , you need a good tactical retreat to lick your wounds, and return . For me this leads to fast ships with a lot of empy space , and shield cell banks. With being able to tactically position myself for best advantage against another ship's powerplant , with the option to disengage at the moment of disadvantage.

[@jimjamsti]

I wish i could like this vid more than once!

[@simonhoney2050]

I kitted out an Anaconda with all beam turrets because I loved the crazy lightshow and terrifying, inescapable show of force it represented. So they crapped out in seconds and overheated everything.. but lawd.. . actually I might go take it out of storage and put those back on..

[@BenYork-UBY]

You should have mentioned how some CMDRs have chased away corvettes in a shieldless adder. That definetely makes your point

[@K1eaner]

Subscribed for the raw fact that you know your shit commander. o7 That and don't worry too much about dislikes and children raging on you. If they are mature enough their words and actions will reflect it. If my opinion matters, you're the second CMDR who is not bat shit crazy and makes quality content.

[@VindicatorJones]

The day I start to care about dislikes or angry comments is the day I close this channel down.. lol... But thanks! ;)

[@williammattice2028]

you are the best. i love your videos keep it up. i passed your knowledge on tonight to a new cmdr that was only 4 months deep and he loved it keep doing great work and fly dangerously commander

[@TheNomnomnom0815]

My choice of laser weapon type is solely based on aesthetics. Pulse laser - Like turning a flimsy cat toy on and off. Pew pew pew. Beam laser - Say hello to my Miniature death star. BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.

[@miguelcarmenate5728]

The star trek memes are great!!!

[@davinw6058]

VJ! great video! A great message that more people need to take to heart. Have a great day and keep these videos coming! I have learned so much!

[@jonathanclelland2707]

Had me Rollin when you said Cookie monster in a biscuit factory 🤣

[@lancedifazio1352]

XD. No complaints from me. I use both beam and pulse lasers on my corvette. o7

[@chrisjones-dj6lb]

Another great video Mr Jones, I couldn't agree more. Fly what you love and what suits your current purpose.

[@CMDRGreyWolfe]

Thumbs Up Jones

[@Cloudsifter]

Good video. As far as the Corvette vs. Anaconda bit, you probably should've added that the Anaconda's PP is centerline and easy to hit even without subsystem targeting. The Corvette's PP is further back and kind of hard to hit even when the subsystem is targeted. The real complaint most of us Corvette people had (I also own Anacondas) was the poor jump range for it vs the super jump range for the Anaconda. Thanks to Guardian FSD boosters, the Corvette can now have a decent jump range and I, for one, have dropped out of that debate all together. More importantly: What paint job is that on the T-10 (Orange with highlights)? I've seen other youtubers use it, but I've seen nothing like it in the store! Also, what paint job is Corvette using at the 34 second mark (purple line)?

[@Jazod]

Regardless of where the powerplant is on a big ship, it won’t last long after your shields drop.

[@Beer_Dad1975]

I have both a PvE battle ready Anaconda and a PvE Corevette, in a haz-res they are both pretty similar in how many bounties I can collect per hour - but the Corevette is always my first choice because for me it's just a load more fun to fly (both have grade 5 dirty drag drives), and the Anaconda's unbelievably bad super-cruise turn rate, which you cannot do anything about at all, quite frankly drives me insane so it's pretty bad for assassination missions. I love the Anaconda for other stuff though, just not my first choice for a large combat ship.

[@alanhilton3611]

That's why I love this game... it's so deep.

[@wylie2835]

What? Ships are only made up of thousands of different stats that you can change with different, hardpoints, modules, and engineer upgrades. No deeper than a puddle!

[@doommaker4000]

@@wylie2835 MILE WIDE, INCH DEEP, IM TELLING YOU

[@Kaethena]

While I don't necessarily agree with everything you said in this video, it makes a lot of good points. Statistics do matter, but only in a very broad sense. Ship building sites base their figures on optimal conditions. When everything is perfect and in that one split second, that's what you could theoretically achieve based purely on the module statistics. Optimal conditions rarely, if ever, occur. So the stats can only really give you a general overview of what things are capable of. Nevertheless, it's an overview that shouldn't be ignored. Maybe not so much in terms of the slight variation between laser types, but moreso in the variation between things like whether you want to use lasers or multicannons, and are trying to work out the advantages and disadvantages of each. Or if you're thinking about using Multis vs Frags. Then you have to take stats like weapon range, falloff, reload times and the drain on your ship's power plant and distributor into account. Engineering effects do also come into play then, but like you said, that's a whole different subject. You did mention the most important thing, though, and that's how a ship feels to use. Stats can tell you what "might" be best under perfect conditions, in the right circumstances, but they absolutely do not tell you how good you as a pilot are going to be in achieving these figures. That's something which only comes from experience and getting a "feel" for different ships and loadouts to find the thing that suits you. A perfect example are Railguns. On paper they seem very powerful. But I am terrible at using them, so for me the potential of the weapons is utterly wasted because I can't properly realise it. I see a lot of people using builds and loadouts that I think "There's no way I would use that!" But the beauty of Elite is... that doesn't matter. I always tell people "If you find a setup you like, if it works for you and gets the job done, then don't worry about what people tell you is or isn't the right thing to do. If something works for you, go with it." Overall, you highlight the main issue with ship builds. The build is based as much on the pilot, if not moreso, than the capabilities of the ship it's for. Which is a very, very important thing to keep in mind. Kudos. :)

[@VindicatorJones]

I think this is just my light hearted attempt to say, hey.. stop worrying about min/maxing and enjoy your favorite ship.. Stop worrying about DPS and counting stats and playing the game through a spreadsheet, and enjoy the thrill of flying the ship you love most. Of course statistics are important if your really trying to push the boundaries of a build, but sometimes its good to take a step back, breathe and fly something purely for fun.

[@seanforsythe78]

I love my Vette but theres just something about hit and running a shield tank cutter with a viper mkiii thats loaded up with reverb Cascades torpedos and two long range rails that makes me giggle. Everybody's a gangsta until their shield generator implodes.

[@Shame_Wizard]

the fucking jab at the python, how dare you lol

[@reka10]

Which is why I still run around in my sexy imp courier. I don't care how much more powerful proper combat fighters like the vulture are, they cant out run me.

[@cmdrplexusironrot4826]

Personally I feel the Anacondas Fixed placement is better then the other big ships. But really it’s just my opinion Glad ya back buddy :D

[@CMDRFlyAuburn]

CMDR Plexus IronRot

[@cmdrplexusironrot4826]

@@CMDRFlyAuburn >_>

[@EMTwombly]

Excellent points, mature rational, and you changed your format a bit -> perhaps to encourage us to look at all this differently! Finally a succinct argument against falling into the min/max trap that so many fall into and end up locking their enjoyment in, "Mine is Bigger! Mine is Engineered!" Kind of like a bunch of adolescent drunks arguing about penis sizes. "Find out what makes you happy," is not only a perfect maxim for the game, but also one for life.

[@MrSmaste]

and when you get rekt in pvp you can just combat log "because that's what makes me happy."

[@EnglishLyricsOdottemita]

There is no ultimate build that lets you god-mode on everyone else in the game? o.0 I'm shocked and will promptly write Frontier a stiff letter that jolly well tells them that the game must be broken and they will never make real money out of it. Also the Earth is flat, so they got that wrong too. Seriously though, it's a good video and suggests how deep the rabbit hole goes and makes us aware there are lots of tunnels.

[@ablebaker8664]

But but but I was gonna mortgage my house to buy a flying planet.

[@yrneh1974]

Statistically my smile is bigger then yours

[@ApolloAssassin]

As always fantastic video, very informative!! o7

[@andrewbailey7999]

Wahey, I love my python! If I'm gonna spend that much money on a ship I'd like an all-rounder. To me, it feels like a giant cobra which is every bit as fun to fly. Plenty of cargo capacity, jump range not terrible when I stick my modified FSD in it, packs a decent punch, and it's fast!

[@Jazod]

Anaconda can be very good if you have a very high DPS build and fly more aggressively. While the Vette has more shielding and can turn faster. Really depends on how you fly and what you want out of it.

[@VindicatorJones]

Thats the whole point. Fly the ship that best suits your style, and makes you feel good instead of worrying about stats.

[@banzabreizdude]

Down 2 earth astronomy is in trouble after this vid

[@XenoriethNova]

Finally... someone with some sense.... kudos to you, sir!

[@lukedudley5030]

Statistics can be interpreted in many ways and ignore feel or ease of use :-) I've worked in stats and they can often lie due to confounding variables....and in my experience the conda is a poor substitute for courvette and anyone who says different hasn't flown the courvette :-) only joking I love elite because of its freedom of choice....play your game guys and enjoy space :-)

[@ravenshadow6537]

Vindicator Jomes thank for this video i totally agreed with all u say

[@gilesward7700]

Wise words as always VJ.

[@Jin-Ro]

F1 car v's Fiesta ST. Hamilton is in the ST, I'm in the F1. I'll lose every single time. F1 car is phenomenally better though. Vindicator Jones in a Standard upgraded Cobra, v's me in a heavily modified Python. I'll lose every time. He's been playing it longer, much better at thruster control than I have by a mile, and reads other ships better than I can by a long shot. Python is the far better ship. Silly debate really eh.

[@ronkerz]

Love the editing style, how much time do you spend editing on a vid like this?

[@VindicatorJones]

Thanks! glad you like it. It all depends. But with this particular video I spent around 11 hours including creating all the graphics and animations... but then you have to take into consideration searching for images and collecting video footage... Some of my more in depth videos take much longer.. lol

[@mobiuscoreindustries]

You are right, statistic don't matter... as long as they are not made a requirement. Let me take warframe for example. There is plenty of absurd min max shenanigans you can do, and plenty of things to go around to apply your efforts onto. But even a half assed build will carry your ass from one end of the star chart and back around through all the main content with absolutely no issues. You will be able to enjoy all that is aviable and win plenty of money, resources, items, and just have fun while still doing something to progress. Then look at elite. Yes stat dont matter but even putting a slapdash fun build on require millions, even more when rep becomes a thing. Maybe you just like to go fast? Well for that you will need countless materials and grind to get to the point where you can go fast. And once you do, you are having fun, yet at the same time you are not progressing. Maybe you like combat a lot, like I do. But fighting in something less than minmaxed ship on an area that is not busted profitable, then you will be barely making any progress, and hell many times you will end up losing money doing it. The stats matter because the only way to reach fun, as well as many of the game's unique activities, requires an ungodly amount of repetitive boring stuff before hand. And so to chug through that pile of sanctimonious design shit, you are forced to minmax everything. And yet despite all that minmax, a perfect build will still net you tens of hours of grind and will end up burning our all sense of fun the game has to offer even when you take the lowest possible time to achieve it. FDev are bad at game design, but refuse to accept it since it benefits them financially.

[@VindicatorJones]

And thats exactly what I am trying to make people see... Stop worrying about the min maxing.. and just enjoy flying your favorite ship. This is just a light hearted attempt to say hey, stop worrying about statistics and just enjoy your fav ship. Not meant to be taken too seriously.

[@mobiuscoreindustries]

@@VindicatorJones I agree I am just saying the game and its design is not helping either. If missions could be handed after completion no matter how long it took it would allow people to play by burst or just have fun and do stuff when they want to instead of having to lock an entire day to a certain mission. And of course rewards have to be increased across the board.

[@desertxpunk]

Not everyone wants everything handed to them. A lot of us prefer better things to take longer to earn otherwise elite dangerous would just be warframe constantly in a ship. Just because you don't like something doesn't mean it's objectively bad bud ;)

[@mobiuscoreindustries]

@@desertxpunk it's not what I am saying at all! If you do what you said, you just take the problem and displace it to another subcategory of people which is not the intention. All I am saying is that by the way the game works it actively hinders people that have shorter Windows of play while also not rewarding that much more people that have invested a lot of time in the game. I am one of those people who invested many hours, but all I can do is do stuff I was already doing, just doing them faster and with less risk. What I am saying here is that missions should have their timer removed entirety, except for mission involving single items or targets which are identified (so assassination missions once you located the target or passager missions with a single special VIP). This is because while many timers are large, many players can not play their mission in their entirety in one session, and as such end up losing the entire thing. But in order to reward those that dedicate more time, I also advise that missions gain tiers of rewards, with the minimal objective paying decently, but not giving any special rewards, and gaining better and better stuff as you go up the tier. You could even see "endless" missions which posses many tiers like massacre mission which would roll better and better rewards at each tier, while also gradually increasing the overall difficulty of the challenge until the player cash in the mission.

[@desertxpunk]

@@mobiuscoreindustries tiered rewards would be a good idea. I guess I never really thought about the fact I only play when I have enough time. It would make it easier for everyone but I see things moving in a way that would get rid of most risk reward so I'm kinda defensive about my favorite game turning into just another GAS.

[@krugec23]

The enemy ships scale up with you rank,so some weapons are useless when you get closer to triple elite.

[@VindicatorJones]

No weapon is useless, it all depends on your style of fighting, and what your trying to do. All weapons have their uses. Some are more effective at one thing, while others at another. And thats why I say stats are useless. Using the weapons that best suit your flying style and ship preference are far more effective than stats. 80% of a ships effectiveness is the pilot flying it.

[@gus.smedstad]

Stats fail to take into account how truly awful I am at combat.

[@SirBozzzy]

I always thought the anaconda was a support ship at its best.

[@CMDRFlyAuburn]

Wouldn’t the Cookie Monster do his gobbling in a Cookie Factory? I mean after all he’s not called the ‘Biscuit’ Monster.... Also; turreted beams are LIFE, change my mind.

[@cyper3434]

I love my corvette with the 2 huge beam laser … I don't care if player tell me the vette suck, myself I like …. gives me the feeling of a Imperial Starship with death ray LASER!!! ….. ( Now witness the fire power of this full armor and operational Battle Corvetter ….. You may fire at will Commander! ) /wink

[@jpmrwiggles121]

fun fact the vet is thee best support ship in a wing if you engi one huge for shield regen and the other with the shield renforce. not even stations will be able to eat the sidey shields your charging.

[@ecevansevans2566]

Hey, Mate, what was that crack about PYTHON SHIPS , the best damn ship in the universe. We are not mentally retardant. Good video , you got new material now make more videos on mining, like how to use this new equipment. Good day mate.

[@Sky_Explorer]

I really wish I didn't sell my Assault Ship. I loved that ship despite it's flaws.

[@Jazod]

Too easily outclassed by the Alliance ship.

[@AtomicPaperclip]

I would like to see a ship loadout for each weapon that puts it in the best light. Beam lasers? Ship X with this loadout. Pulse lasers? Ship Y with other loadout. Mines? Ship z with this loadout, etc.

[@VindicatorJones]

But thats the point. There is no best light. A build will always be compromised in one way or another. Its finding out what compromise best suits your flying style, and what you find fun.

[@wylie2835]

It really depends on how you fly. Beam laser heat and power draw alone, would be dealt with differently depending on how you engage a target. It's like tuning the final drive on a car. You want to hit your top speed on the longest straight of the circuit. You don't want to hit the rev limiter. You don't want to be below your top speed. But unlike racing where the circuit and best line is fixed, your flying style, how long and how often you fire, changes from person to person.

[@Suyamu]

So I've dropped in to play for a bit after not having played for several years now. It's very frustrating, since I can't seem to do well in combat anymore. I remember back before I stopped playing I was taking on Anaconda pirate lords, now I have a Cobra Mk III with best shields and power systems. I don't have good weapons, but that doesn't matter since I can't bring my weapons to bear on target anyway. I get outmaneuvered all the time despite using the thrusters as I've seen in your vids. I can't finish the advanced combat tutorial either without getting shot down by the first guy most of my attempts. I've taken a mediocre transport mission to get familiar with the game again and got interdicted on route and the enemy chewed through my shields in seconds. What the heck? Has combat gotten that much harder since I've left the game or am I missing something?

[@DerekMoore82]

What kind of control setup are you using? I find that having very comfortable controls is the key.

[@Suyamu]

@@DerekMoore82 I use the Warthog HOTAS, same as before I stopped playing the game years ago.

[@DerekMoore82]

@@Suyamu Oh, okay. Yeah I've never owned a HOTAS so I can't comment on that. If you had told me that you used a controller then I have suggestions based on what worked for me. I know that when my controls weren't laid out intuitively and efficiently then I couldn't handle that darn 2nd combat training mission. But in a nutshell, the secret to combat besides being so comfortable with all your controls to the point that it's intuitive muscle-memory, is really only performing one simple trick: FAOFF and boost towards their 6 o'clock and to quickly pitch your nose on target taking advantage of the FAOFF pitch speed all while fine tuning your position with your full array of thrusters (and I mean everything at your disposal) and then FA ON again when you're almost in position, usually followed by some serious thruster work, this will stop you from over shooting and coasting off course. When the enemy gets out of your sights again simply repeat the FAOFF trick. It helps to have a nimble craft. But you don't have to use the FAOFF stuff as long as your fundamentals are good. Here's a video I made of that Advanced Combat training mission, notice I never needed chaff or got in real trouble, the trick is to maintain dominant position and stay on target at close range for max damage output. The longer it takes to kill the one guy, the longer his wingman has time to pelt you. You need to quickly turn the 2 against 1 problem into a 1on 1 as fast as possible in order to win. Otherwise the odds are stacked against you when you're outnumbered. In this video I didn't even mess with FAOFF or pips (except for the last few shots when my pulse laser crapped out) to show others you can do this training mission without advanced techniques, just concentrate on the fundamentals of staying on the 6 o'clock of one enemy at a time and stay on the offensive rather than the defensive, especially with the 2nd guy because the longer it takes to kill him the more time his buddy the 3rd guy has to get free shots on you. Also, the way to reduce the time to kill is to keep close so those wimpy shots are made more effective at dispatching the enemy faster: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hpu6oKGZlrCBn68

[@PsycoDwarf9]

In every metric, the Conda beats Type 10. I love them both. The 10 is the Iron Butterfly/ Squish Bomber/ Battleax. The Conda is more Crusader/ longsword. Conda is a better ship *for most things*. But the 10 has a quirky charm. And I feel doesn't deserve the hate it gets.

[@RW-Navigator]

The best ship is friendship

[@KrzysztofSajna]

There's no stat for FunFactor! ;)

[@trigun539]

Could you do a video on hotas setup for combat? Struggle specially with the reverse thrust maneuver NPCs always use.

[@RobinHood-yk8og]

What you're actually saying, correctly, is that *_all_* of the ship's stats need to be considered, armour, shields, mass etc... as a complete unit, not just the stats for any individual module.

[@VindicatorJones]

what Im saying is, the most important factor of any ship, is the pilot. Flying what you love, what you feel most comfortable in, and the weapon types that best suit your playstyle, is far more important than statistics. Not just in effectiveness, but also in enjoyment of the game.

[@P3C0L4]

i fly in fighter while NPC crew is flyimg my Corvette... thats fun for me

[@haurenox7686]

I would be curious to know what NPCs stats are, I encountered a python, not even an elite, this guy could take a volley of 5 missiles and take no hull damage at all, it took 10 missiles to reduce his hull by 1%, can spam chaff like there is no tomorrow and try to ram my Anaconda with his shields stripped down...

[@CMDRNaQan]

I prey on commanders that relies on stats. It’s makes my non-meta builds more effective against stat reliant ships.

[@stormsoda635]

Yeah you right... Time to kill a dual hydra with a hauler!!!

[@VindicatorJones]

Hey, at least you will have fun trying! lol

[@TrampyPulsar]

Stats do matter, the key is making stats counter other stats in various ways.

[@VindicatorJones]

First of all that's a ships build, not a stat. And second of all, it still dosent matter. You can create counter builds to your hearts content, but in the end, your always better flying something you feel comfortable in, and love flying, rather than flying something based purely on a build type or statistic.

[@adembroski]

Jimmy Garropolo likes this video.

[@NevadaDesertStorm]

Best Ship: USS Enterprise !!!

[@aronnemcsik]

That's an interesting way to Spell a Starfighter Aurora but okay...

[@freequest]

Cobra mk3 is best for me PvE/exploration everything else I use a Type-7. Only 2 ships I ever use. But mostly the Cobra mk3.

[@braeddie]

The best ship, is friendship.

[@Jazzblade1977]

I got the French method of beating my enemy..... Running away ;P

[@VindicatorJones]

LOL

[@Harbinger421]

What was the deal with the vid you deleted Vindicator?

[@VindicatorJones]

It was an accident.

[@Logan-rq1dd]

How's it going? I'm part of the squadron on inara but was wondering why I'm having trouble finding the squadron in game. Hope all is well, have a great day!

[@eduardofreitas8336]

Join us in discord! You can find the link in the announcement video

[@VindicatorJones]

Look for The Vindicated within the search parameter in game, its definitely there.

[@Logan-rq1dd]

Yeah, I've been doing that and it says no results. Is the squadron for PC online ATM?

[@deathtodiablo7402]

We miss a lot lol I use large pa’ on my pvp ship but unless it’s a big ship it’s all about toros and rams lol

[@Feroand]

Krait mk2 is the far more best ship on entire universe. Do you know why? 2 words: Free special painting! I am addicted to that ship \m/ I do a lot of “what is the meaning of this” loadout to that. I do imposible things like fighting against 2 friend fighter and lose with crushing hardly right middle of the asteroid etc. Krait, best of the bests.

[@High_Goblin_King]

I started this video so you'd tell me what weapon to use :-)

[@seven9766]

Heh. I like my krait 2 warship. Which has to do with the fact that i like OOMPH. Mainly because it allows me to worry about opsitioning for 2 seconds between shots without worrying about keeping my weapons on target like fixed multis do. Oh, and also it is sexy as fuck. The Python gave me money, and i loathe her looks, but she is the hooker you keep coming back to because the sheer mining performance is unparalleled, even tho she looks and handles like an overweight elephant.

[@CMTechnica]

Can't agree enough

[@brucewelsh1969]

Couldn't agree more.

[@echonitte]

One of the biggest reasons why Elite Dangerous is such a good game. It's so diverse in all areas that it can create debate in almost every area. Personal preferance is given so much space and a player is not nursed to.....the next stage. Great!!

[@xpgx1]

Soooo..... I hear you don't like the Python? =) Well - my trusty old python was recently overhauled and made me 950 mil with core mining - how can I not love her for it? She's reasonably fast, has a very thicc hull and can fit a class 6 shield. Plus, it's a very decent safety-pants bounty hunter =) Sure it requires an awfull lot of G5 engineering.... but i can't shake her. She's been in my hangar since I left Kremainn. In all honesty, you're dead on! Stats matter but only go so far. You always need to feel at home with your ship, right? And I like my medium ships - they are the sweet spot for my playstyle and provide me with ample speed, firepower and versatility. Would have been real nice of FDEV to finally DO something with the Scout...or heavily specialize the Phantom, but well... can't have it all. Merry Christmas CMDR!

[@sea0fgreen33]

Well stats do still matter. You are just not considering ALL the stats. Yea on paper the conda has more dps but turn rates is also a stat. You can even see this quantified on Coriolis.

[@VindicatorJones]

Still missing the whole point.. The whole point of the video is to stop worrying about statistics so much.. stop worrying about min/maxing and fly what you love, because in the end, stats really dont matter, its flying what you love, and what you feel best in that does.

[@smexehcougah3]

Ok, so pulse lasers are better at sustained damage and are easier to fit into a build, but could it be said that in terms of SMALL gimbaled weapons beam lasers are ALWAYS better because small pulse lasers do no damage at all?

[@VindicatorJones]

I think you missed the point of the video... There is NO best weapon. Even small beam weapons can chew up a capacitor and generate heat, which nullifies any DPS gain. Also it means you will most likely keep more pips into weapons rather than sharing them around in other areas. But if your happy to do that, then beams are best for you, especially if your seldom on the trigger finger. In the long run though, if your holding down the trigger finger for longer, then pulses will actually have more sustained damage than beams. Its a compromise. Thats why there is no such thing as a best weapon choice.. Only a choice that best suits your particular play style.

[@smexehcougah3]

Cool, thank you! I'm still a little green, so I really value the experience of better pilots like yourself :)

[@Jazod]

Spiral Feather small weapons on larger ships usually just become utilities as they don’t have enough overall damage to be effective as anything else.

[@wylie2835]

Depends on your power draw, heat management abilities, and how often/long you fire. He is absolutely right. Your play style and ship determines what kinds of builds are optimal.

[@Stabby_Dave]

I know that the FDL is superior in pretty much every way (save a couple) to the Mamba, but I just don't like it. No idea why, I just don't. So, stats be damned, I fly a Mamba.

[@metalfan2275]

spot on if you don't believe him look up what people can do in a sidewinder

[@waynestuart2755]

Hold your horses there Mr Jones! Pythoneers are mentally challenged? How very dare you! If you like to stick to one ship, or can only afford one ship, the Python is the one to have. It's the jack of all trades. The Swiss army knife. The Volvo estate with 4x4. There's nothing you can't do with it or anywhere you can't go with it. So... there! ;-p

[@VindicatorJones]

As you said.. its a Volvo.... Bland, Beige, Boring.. hehehe ;)

[@zeknoss]

VINDICATOR dONES?

[@DNH17]

Forums, especially forums of ED on steam and not steam : what a world of nerds and flamers that are on pension or kids of 8 years old and have often nothing better to do than just aggro on someone abt nothing.

[@xdtechniker2554]

I can definitely say, for me, this is true. I had a Conda, because people said it has more hardpoints, is as maneuverable as a Corvette and etc. My opinion: "BS" I fucking love my Corvette. Fuck Anacondas, I absolutely did not like it, it hadn't the feels™. Same with my Krait: "PyTHon HaS MorE cArGO, SHIelds and ARMor. IT's BEtTEr thAN ThE KRaIt. KRIat Is tHE cHEAp kNOcKoFf." Yeah, no, my Krait is definitely better (imo). ("Funny story": On the day I bought mine, there was a Python "lover" (Fanatic) who saw me in my shinny new Krait (at this point E-rated), and killed me with the reasoning "That noobs like me can't handle the perfect ship Python and have to use the "scrub" ship Krait. I should uninstall the game.")