[Vinesauce] Vinny - Gmod Liminal Space Maps #1

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[@Alfenium]

Vinny looks for food for an hour and 16 minutes.

[@dissonanceparadiddle]

Oh please tell me he does more than one map

[@bluthian]

First thing a human being will try to do in an unfamiliar environment

[@vrabo3026]

He could just order takeout, no need to look for food. Silly.

[@mr80s81]

And 31 seconds

[@Matt-ot9nx]

“Vinny’s hungry”

[@Dougie-Jones]

The *You’re playing on Garry’s Mod, enjoy your stay!* message made this oddly enough more affective.

[@GigglebunsUV]

it gave me chills tbh

[@Vekette]

Imagine it just playing once every few minutes over a loudspeaker in an abandoned building

[@LeudieBlues]

Would be unsettling yet funny if the message continued to persist no matter what you did.

[@GigglebunsUV]

@@Vekette i hate the idea of that happening irl if not for the fact that it mentions playing something

[@Anodoni]

@@GigglebunsUV Imagine playing Garry's Mod while walking around an abandoned building in real-life and every few minutes a voice says "You’re playing on Garry’s Mod, enjoy your stay!" over the building's loudspeakers.

[@agwellin]

My take on a well-done liminal space map is that you shouldn't ever feel comfortable to stay in one place. There should be blind corners, open spaces, open thresholds. You should never feel cozy. You should never be "scared" but you should likewise never think it would be a good place to lay down a cot and sleep for the night.

[@burgbass]

I’m one of those weirdos that would love to be alone in those places lol

[@Aeduo]

I think a lot of retail and business spaces are almost intentionally like this, either because of extreme cheapness and a weird semi-standardized cookie-cutter construction, or they literally want people shuffling through just quickly enough that they're looking at things but not so long that other customers can't make their way through, too, so they're just kinda quick to pay and get out too.

[@gamerly.gamer69]

I like liminal spaces for how comfy they look

[@gamerly.gamer69]

I like liminal spaces for how comfy they look

[@BierBart12]

@@Aeduo That honestly describes the concept really well. You don't want people to be completely immersed and never stop looking at your commercial space, you want it to move them and draw them towards wanting to purchase. Which inevitably leads to them being uncomfortable if it remains for too long.

[@aneasteregg8171]

I think what makes liminal spaces creepy, to me, is it feels like someplace you shouldn't be, like you're trespassing. They're places that are meant to have a lot of people in them, and instead there isn't. Like you've broken into an abandoned mall and you're worried maybe you AREN'T alone. Whether that means a security guard or a serial killer or a ghost or some kind of monster, doesn't really matter. I kinda get the same feeling in the Forest Temple in Ocarina of Time. There's something so unnaturally empty about it.

[@karma6970]

This. Also the fact some spaces can feel familiar. Sometimes you can have an eerie feeling simply walking around your house in the dark. That's how it is for me anyways

[@funnyfroggiealert1816]

another thing what makes a liminal space so creepy is that you're not meant to be in them for a long time. you enter an airport or a parking garage for the sole purpose of going somewhere else. then being *stuck* in a place that wasn't designed for any human to remain there, but rather be part of a consistent design formula to funnel people from one place to the next... is eerie!

[@deltaf.2005]

A bunch of them looks like they're supposed to be some filming locations from a spooky movie except the ghost/murderer/devil/etc. just isn't there.. Not even the camera man, director, actors. Not a single soul. Like you're just revisiting the project for nostalgically but also don't remember it at all at the same time. It's just that weird.

[@zeeteepippi275]

The fact that it's not abandoned, it's still open and being maintained. The lights are still working, just nobody's there anymore.

[@Anodoni]

Old games in general are a _goldmine_ for this sort of thing. It's the reason I always found Super Mario 64 eerie as a kid, and I still can, when I play that game alone at night. It's not so bad when you're outside the castle; the sound of the butterflies, the birds, the ocean, the waterfall, etc. make you feel not alone in a way that's pleasant and calming, but inside of the castle there's absolutely _nobody._ Yes, there's the Toads, but they don't really help because they're these weird 'specters' that fade away the farther you are from them, and we learn from dialogue that's because they are actually trapped in the walls and what we see are their 'projections' of themselves to communicate to Mario. This is made even creepier by the name of that bombastic, grandiose music playing throughout the castle (which by itself adds to the liminal space factor, like you'd need a whole-ass orchestra to play this music but there it is, just playing throughout the _entire_ castle), the name of the song is "Inside the Castle Walls," which can either refer to Mario walking through the castle or, more creepily, the Toads and Peach trapped in the walls. Not to mention Wet-Dry World, which is liminal space incarnate. I mean, it's definitely left an impression on me, that's actually why I like it; it's solidified itself as my favorite SM64 level. Just this big ol' underwater city looming above you, and this abandoned town underground, and there are just puzzles everywhere for some reason. A lot of people made fun of the SM64 "secrets" last year, like the Wario Apparition and the creepy 1995/07/29 (DO NOT RESEARCH) stuff, but I fucking loved that shit. Not just as a kid who grew up playing SM64 and found it to be downright eerie at points, but also as someone who grew up on the internet _loving_ stuff such as going through KZbin and finding videos about Polybius, Ben Drowned, Herobrine, the Luigi's Mansion phone room thing, and all these other weird internet gaming "ghost stories." A lot of it was obviously dumb, such as Herobrine and the Luigi's Mansion shadow, but it's just _fun_ to look at it through the eyes of, like, a kid who doesn't know any better.

[@gangalot]

i like how throughout the vod vinny starts getting more and more into the concept of liminal spaces, and starts to get out of his way to find the reference images the creators of the map used, pretty good maps too. Also, sussy shadow at 22:51

[@Templarfreak]

there was a few he missed like that, like one around 38:02

[@LolaTheGardevoir]

The hotel map has a few shadow figures hidden inside of it.

[@shantaeisbae]

@@LolaTheGardevoir it's weird not seeing you in a mother 3 or earthbound video Hi

[@cabecinha4987]

@@LolaTheGardevoir hey you're one of my favourite commenters on youtube, I always see you in Mother or Yume Nikki OST

[@LolaTheGardevoir]

@@cabecinha4987 I also comment on LSD Dream Emulator and Space Funeral but I’m honestly surprised people find me as one of their favorite commenters

[@elvenham1]

The pools are what really get me. I used to have dreams like this as a child where there would be these huge, open rooms covered in yellowish-green tile, weird pipes and platforms, and stairs leading down into clear water that filled half the rooms. It was like a huge, empty factory that went on forever, and I'd be trying to get from one platform to another. I think a good idea could be a "fun house.." with mirror mazes hooked to those Nerf-lined indoor obstacle courses that even go up and down, as well as other directions. I got stuck in one of these when I was little, and it put a sort of claustrophobic fear in me. It was like there was no way out, and some ways just felt as if they couldn't be traversed.

[@feralroach7019]

I also had weird pool dreams as a kid, but one where it was dark inside and it was a really nasty pool, yet my family always wanted to go there. This was a reoccurring dream and every time there was this weird "portal" that I would get sucked into every time in the dream and could never escape. Awful dreams lol

[@Boamere]

I had similar dreams, in mine the tiles were green. The roof was tiled and very low and there was a little square sauna in the middle of a giant knee high pool that had 3 godlike beings in it. I’d jump out the sauna when I woke up. This is weird but I used to think that the dream was something I saw before I was born

[@Jack_Woods]

There's just some... specific vibe that pools give to any space like it's a relaxation spot, amidst the weird aura these spaces give

[@balikiller]

i had very very similar dreams, usually focused around an abandoned, decrepit location, with some sort of foreign body of water, and for whatever reason the water specifically gave me such a strange feeling

[@papermartin879]

did u astral project into the backrooms as a kid or something

[@hoffer_moment]

Vinny's hypothetical scenario at ~ 9:00 is very similar to the premise of a long lost indie movie that aired on the SyFy channel in like 2005 called Purgatory, where a woman dies and is left to wander aimlessly around a creepy blue-tinted distorted house/facility with interesting spaces and lighting. No real survival aspects though afaik I've searched hard for this movie online and found nothing. The feeling it evoked has stayed in my head all this time

[@NTripleOne]

I am so incredibly intrigued by the premise of this movie, sucks that it may be lost media at this point. :(

[@awesmpossm]

Just dropping a comment here so I can be notified if anybody finds it. This sounds like a really interesting movie.

[@takanamoon9907]

I'll check the Lost Media Wiki to see if anything strikes a bell. You might wanna make a post on the forums or their Discord as well.

[@rustypatriot4335]

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[@hoffer_moment]

@@rustypatriot4335 b

[@PolyesterMoustache]

Playing as skull kid while being lost in liminal spaces actually feels really appropriate

[@ArtForSwans]

I feel like the server messages somehow add to the feeling that these maps are trying to convey. It makes it feel like you're in a long-dead server in some forgotten corner of a computer game. Strangely nostalgic, yet slightly unsettling. Never knowing if you'd randomly see a chat message from someone you didn't even know was there. I got the same feeling from Worlds.

[@awfulpancakes]

ooooh like playing on all the long-dead half-life deathmatch servers. most of them are completely empty or have a few bots in them and nothing else. definitely very eerie

[@userfromspace8952]

Oh my, someone still remember about worlds. It was very long time since I last heard about 'em.

[@zeallust8542]

@@awfulpancakes ah man you just gave me flashbacks to playing Half Life 2 death match as a kid, despite the servers being empty

[@awfulpancakes]

@@zeallust8542 oh yeah, I was mainly talking about the original half life's deathmatch mode but half life 2 deathmatch is also pretty eerie

[@gorganaut4090]

@@awfulpancakes fr its like your exploring old ruins of a bygone era.

[@agoosed3281]

Seeing him miss every jumpscare in Liminal Hotel was hilarious, made my day. Was so glad to see that he played it after seeing the tribute it had in the first map.

[@JuiceCroosder]

I always thought liminal spaces are what alien's trying to replicate human architecture would look like.

[@tacothedank]

A really good way I've heard liminal spaces described is they're oftentimes places that look like they were designed FOR humans, but not BY humans

[@SauloA333]

That's just modern and contemporary architecture bro

[@kaylievinchenstein9987]

I love how vin goes from not getting it, to letting his imagination run wild as he basically comes up with the premise of project zomboid.

[@cr1msonriver]

god this makes me wanna play project zomboid again, or like try to find a first person version of it. a backrooms survival game or a survival game with liminal spaces would be a game i play for hours

[@DarkClaws914]

@@cr1msonriver 7 days to die?

[@Hikarmeme]

The first map is probably one of my favorites of the genre because it almost perfectly replicates the world we see in our dreams. Foreign in some ways yet familiar in others, with little to no cohesion. One moment you're in your old school's common area, the next you're in a dingy green indoor swimming pool.

[@Jojje94]

Exactly what came to my mind when I saw the first map. It looks like places you'd remember from a half-forgotten dream.

[@LightningLee77]

I'm interested in a series now where's it's just the protagonist wandering around these liminal spaces with monologues, life stories, and creating stories of what they think these liminal spaces are. One point comes where they decide to take a step into the water inside the room that they've been avoiding out of unease like Vinny, only to realize there really isn't that much else inside those pools, which of itself is fairly unsettling.

[@fabianoyaga8610]

There's a game called NaissanceE, which is free and it's the closest thing there is to what you ask for, except that there is no dialogue.

[@crystalalumina]

I don't know if it helps, but there's this anime named Blame! That kinda uses these empty spaces to give you unease

[@jonothanrennert3098]

Me and my friends are writing a book rn, and at one point the characters are in a place called the great indoors where it’s miles and miles of building and room smushed together. It’s practically just liminal space after liminal space. Can’t wait to write that part

[@Mecheye]

Search for The Librarian on youtube. He goes through several maps a lot slower and in VR. it really changes the dynamic.

[@wantedwario2621]

What Vinny doesn't realize is that every Gmod map is a liminal space

[@Qweba]

28:17 skull kid in the mirror scared me

[@goobusmcgee684]

I KNOW HE WALKED INTO THE BATHROOM AND I JUMPED

[@DetournementArc]

I think a lot of Liminality (at least in the online sense) is the Aesthetic of Purpose, bereft of purpose. Empty workstations, halls leading nowhere, etc My kid brother used to have this Child Misconception that city skyscrapers were just weird office cubicles with no entry or exit. That is the vibe I think speaks to this

[@motionsuggests]

situationist reference in username? I feel that fits in very well here lol

[@thethrashyone]

I don't blame Vinny for finding "liminal space" hard to define, considering the actual 'definition' is so vague and obtuse that it borders on quasi new-age religious. Maybe the _real_ liminal spaces were the friends we made along the way!

[@blobbem]

I've seen videos on some of these maps already and I can already tell you that the Hotel map has some ghostly figures that pop up, which Vinny completely missed. 1:03:12 - Yep, the Winchester House. The widow of the "firearms magnate William Wirt Winchester", Sarah Winchester, had the house built with many rooms, stairs that lead to nowhere and even a door that led to the outside on the second floor of the house to confuse the spirits of those who died from Winchester rifles, of which she thought was haunting her family.

[@valordelink]

at 22:51 you can see someone there, behind the pillar

[@visceral8293]

As a child, I used to explore the multiplayer maps in Turok 2 by myself, because the game let you start a multiplayer game by yourself. It was a very eerie and creepy feeling when exploring them alone, like someone was watching you, but always out of sight. I suppose that would be a good example of liminal spaces.

[@Izunundara]

Jesus christ Vinny describing "You gotta just live here" sounds like an absolutely horrifying book/movie etc

[@Sir_Bone-Head]

Vinny saying to imagine yourself in the first map he played, and genuinely trying to survive, while not knowing if someone else is there with you is probably the best description for what a liminal space is. I actually did try to imagine myself in that sort of scenario, and it definitely would put me on edge.

[@Robit17]

5:45 If you break the window in this room and jump through, you can enter a little portal room that takes you to the bottom section of the map

[@SC_3]

Limmy-nal Spaces - *tries to open door down a creepy hallway* IT'S SHUT

[@ArmoredChocoboLPs]

The most unsettling thing about Limmynal Spaces is all the purple burglar alarms

[@codybaird4811]

My take on Vinny's thought experiment: I would eventually question if I were dead. After seeing those prison cells with fire and blood and stuff I probably would believe I was.

[@omnisel]

To me, a "liminal space" gives off the same feeling that being in a building or public space that's usually always loud and busy when it's completely quiet and empty.

[@JiF28]

Vinny and gmod is an all time favorite combination especially in october

[@germanulrich]

Vinny didn't saw the guy looking at him from the left at 22:51

[@SuperHornetX]

also figures randomly appearing for a few frames, like at 38:01

[@ReddBoi64]

Liminal spaces are something hard to define or explain. It’s almost like there’s two different kinds of liminal space, the ones that bring a nostalgic deja vu, or the ones that bring unnameable unease. The latter is commonly said to be a sort of uncanny valley of space, where it’s not quite natural and not quite human inhabited. It’s abandoned, empty, undecorated, quiet. It’s a human made space that should look lived in and used by people but simply isn’t. Abandoned malls are a prime example as they were buildings made to serve a purpose, but now that the purpose is gone, all that’s left is empty halls and rooms lit up only by reserve power.

[@davimag2071]

I love your comment! I totally agree with you, Liminal Space is not always a sense of unease, there's also something nostalgic, amiable like a distant memory about them. Or even a third aspect: spaces that feel almost dreamlike, some liminal spaces are very like our dreams too. And for dead spaces, like dead malls, there's a very specific word: *kenopsia*

[@jmporkbob]

What liminal spaces have come to mean in a modern internet context is a place that feels like somewhere very mundane, but something is just slightly off to the point where it can be kind of unsettling. Whether it's the geometry, or the expanse, or logical combination of different elements/archetypes. Think, the backrooms meme. I think the effect worked well on Vinny because in the first map, he is already saying stuff like "wait, there's lockers here?" "huh, where am i?"

[@oscarcetee]

the backrooms may seem to you a meme but it's way closer to a creepypasta, among the best of the best imo

[@jmporkbob]

@@oscarcetee a meme doesn't always mean a joke, yknow. it means it's a cultural thing, and it definitely became a part of internet culture.

[@tacothedank]

Pretty sure the backrooms were originally based off / built around the concept of liminal spaces. The original /x/ (I think it was /x/) 4chan thread where it all came about used that scummy "yellow office space but creepy" image, the one that is now most well known as "the backrooms" image

[@tacothedank]

I really liked the concept of "the backrooms" having "levels" per say when it was first starting out (there were just like 10 in total), but now it feels more like it's trying to be its own SCP wiki with tons of entries when I personally feel there's nowhere near as much material to be made from such a narrow concept. Keep in mind that I am referring to the Official Backrooms Wikidot site. There are still good ones being made though, it just feels like the policing of the content is a lot less strict compared to the SCP wiki, so it tends to get a lot more low-effort content in comparison that imo hinders the effect that the backrooms is trying to go for.

[@jmporkbob]

@@tacothedank Yeah liminal spaces and the backrooms have always been highly correlated in my mind's eye. Some other good examples are PT and Control. Of course Control is only liminal sometimes, and for the rest things are very overtly unnatural.

[@imperialguard451]

i know these are supposed to be unsettling but something about this stream was so calming it literally put me in the sleep mood, when your whole body feels comfortable and heavy. i literally fuckin fell asleep *in a good way*

[@ForgottenDawn]

There's a comforting quality to these spaces, I think. Some of them may seem eerie or off-putting, but for all the negativity these past couple of years have brought, I can see why these vast expanses might feel cathartic to some people. Like cleansing.

[@feralroach7019]

Thats what I was thinking a bit. They're eerie, but nostalgic. I almost want to keep going in them to uncover something I've forgotten or lost. Maybe its that idea that theres something missing (be it the people, or larger details than just the bare minimum needed to identify a kind of space) and the sense of curiosity to be satiated that lends itself to people being drawn back to these spaces, despite the seeming possibility of a 'threat'. Personally i think the liminal spaces thing is super interesting because of this and as an artist i almost want to explore my own version of it in some pieces, yknow?

[@nitropig618]

Man am I ever thankful that Vinny will just have an open mind about things. Just makes everything so much more enjoyable and refreshing to watch and listen to. It's a shame his outlook isn't more common, but I'm glad I know where to find it. Thanks Vin!

[@WolfmanDude]

Really enjoy this new thing! I always liked rooms that have strange "vibes". My favorite example are rooms that were new, high-tech and alive in the 70s/80s. Strange green carpet and those buzzing square ceiling lights. Our local power plant has a bunch of those. Built in 1973, shut down 10 years ago.

[@redline1916]

This map is basically having your fridge empty from the food you really want to eat and then you're indecisive on what you actually want to eat

[@wafflyironic4865]

38:01 bruh that shadow demon actually scared me edit: Thats hard to notice im not surprised Vinny didnt comment on it

[@mattleo3211]

Is that a... *LIMINAL SPACE?* OH GOD!

[@Avossk]

1:05:45 Vin says "hewwo" out of fear

[@splnter648]

This map has so many places that have been used for the backrooms levels for source images and all. The: The End library part gave it up to me. Either it was inspired by the backrooms or the opposite. I found it cool honestly!

[@conspiracypanda1200]

Here's everything I know about The End library, for your reading pleasure: - The library was originally attached to a larger building, so the End sign was basically an entrance sign for those walking through the main building. - As the library/bookstore was closing down, its workers decided to rearrange the sign as a joke. - If I'm remembering correctly, one of said workers (or a worker's friend) took the original photo. This was clarrified in a comment on one of SolarSand's videos on liminal spaces. (He may have an origin video on the photo as well). - The photo gained traction as a liminal space because of how vaguely threatening the sign looked despite its innocuous intentions, elevating it above many other liminal space photos for the extra element. - The photo was then adopted into the lore of The Backrooms, most likely because no one could resist the cruel temptation of adding false ends into an "endless" series of levels. Bonus: Not all liminal spaces in the first map are a part of The Backrooms, but many are similar enough to feel familiar and the Backrooms certainly source a lot of ideas from Liminal Space image collections. This is probably why you couldn't pinpoint if it was a Backrooms reference or not - it kinda is and kinda isn't. It's simply a fully moddled highlight reel of the most popular liminal space photos mixed into one map.

[@splnter648]

@@conspiracypanda1200 Damn, good to know, thanks for the info

[@infamoushacker4chan883]

There's an old game called "Star Wars: Dark Forces 2" for PC that has these long unsettling corridors with no enemies or NPCs of any kind. I think that one of the first times I was ever unsettled by nothing.

[@supertoasting1011]

Vin thank you for continuing to stream occasionally and produce content because your streams always gave me something to look forward to every week. Also any time you touch the Source engine I know it's gonna be good.

[@RiverSomethingOrOther]

37:44 with this whole scene, it’s turned this map into a psychological horror map 38:02 this exact frame for those wondering

[@stripes9386]

Every empty map in the Source Engine feels like a liminal space.

[@ActionYakPolice]

58:00 whoever wrote this needs more practice

[@ActionYakPolice]

now I feel bad. really though, I only speak one language and I'm sure if I spoke another this is better than I would be able to do

[@JBLZFTW]

I don't think it necessarily fits the definition of liminal space, but the first map especially, showed me how much I love the concept of these massive complexes, all built with their own individual rooms, clearly made for a specific purpose, but never fully understood or connected with any others. Whether they were lost to time or made with no sense of direction, you constantly pass by rooms, trying to piece together the puzzle that doesn't fit. You can never quite narrow down the overall purpose of the building, neither in intention nor size, but fascinated to continue exploring. Its a space that wasn't designed with you in mind, but you're there anyway. Its kind of beautiful. I don't know if any of what I'm saying makes sense to anyone else

[@Dadaskis]

Definition of liminal spaces is really subjective and i'm happy to see you have the same vision of that concept ;)

[@GenericProtagonist7]

I love how the idea of dreamscapes become popular, one of the most creative prose's you could have so you could literally let your imagination run wild, drawing from your own dreams for inspiration, but all anyone ever does is copy already existing real life places.

[@jacksonreichle4777]

Liminal spaces for me are places you feel like you've been before or have seen in a dream

[@itryen7632]

Liminal spaces are pretty much object class: Euclid

[@ollllj]

on liminal-space-pools: Religious minorities often secretly dug out basements with small churches in them behind hidden floor hatches under a rug or heavy storage furniture. These where often below ground water levels, depending on weather+season, which often correlates to a "arrival of a good harvest". This naturally creates "ritualistic ground water pools" for cleansing/initiation/fertility rituals to take place in relatively drinkable and cold ground water.

[@AbandonedVoid]

I'm amused by Vinny not really getting the appeal of liminal spaces, but still understanding them enough to call out the immersion-breaking spray paint

[@phoenix7540]

To me liminal spaces are places that were once occupied by people, places like waterparks or theme parks come to mind, places you remember from a better time like your childhood. Subways and offices are a good example of places that meet these conditions as well, seeing places like that completely devoid of life is unsettling which causes you to be on edge at all times. It isn't helped by the fact that horror games often take place in areas like these as you feel like you're not alone, or at least not supposed to be alone. You're almost expecting something cheap like a jump scare to pop up, yet it never does.

[@blankpage9277]

Being in a school at night, after a basketball game or a concert, walking around in the echoing halls, no one else there, even the janitors have left...

[@SovLestlandia]

2:18 A good analogy. A family stuck in a massive house, alone in barren hallways and weird rooms. The lonliness of the space slowly turning you insane.

[@shauni9108]

Watching the liminal hotel part brought back a really old memory from ~20 years ago of an eerily similar real life example.. There's a DoubleTree Suites in Cambridge, MA that has a huge open area in the middle, apartment-style suites lined around the perimeter and a big glass-sided elevator. I think the center was even more open back then than I can find pictures of now, though, as I remember an indoor pool in the middle of it.. Never would've even remembered that prior to this..

[@chilidog2469]

Since vinny seemed confused in the first minute what “Liminal Space” means, what it actually means (at least from my understanding) is like a place that should be full of people but is void of almost anything (like an empty mall or store) and (because of the backrooms) may have inhuman entities inside

[@nitroglycerin6633]

You know you've done a liminal space right when you know there is no danger but you wanna stay away from there at all costs

[@therealvbw]

It's less creepy when you have a crowbar, a weapon.

[@ToadySP]

One thing that might be scary is if you had another player, who starts at a random point in one of these maps, wandering around hunting you. So you have to be sneaky and not leave a trail of doors but also you have to try and find the "exit point" or some other objective in the map. Would make the already eerie vibe of the spaces and the maze like formation of the map feel far more terrifying.

[@brazilian_oak]

1:03:45 In case someone's interested, Vinny's probably remembering about the Collyer brothers' house, that was exactly like that by his description. Go watch the Down the Rabbit Hole about them, it's one of the early ones but nonetheless an interesting video.

[@guitarskill]

I'm pretty sure he's thinking of the Winchester Mystery House. According to Wikipedia: "After her infant daughter died of an illness known as marasmus, a children's disease in which the body wastes away, and her husband died of pulmonary tuberculosis, a Boston medium told her (while supposedly channeling her late husband) that she should leave her home in New Haven and travel West, where she must continuously build a home for herself and the spirits of people who had fallen victim to Winchester rifles." House has staircases that immediately end in ceiling, and doors that drop you outside off the 3rd floor.

[@autumnbomb]

no he is thinking of the Winchesters. The Collyer's just had a bunch of trash lol

[@igorigor3960]

NO he is thinking about gay secks

[@autumnbomb]

@@igorigor3960 Who isn't

[@nekobyoneko444]

Honestly love liminal spaces type of environments. Walking through the dim tunnel system in stadiums is my jam. Love the feeling of something being not quite right

[@DarkandKind]

the definition of a liminal space is a space where people dont STAY. they travel through it but its never a space to settle. so irl places such as airports and gas stations are liminal spaces.

[@plrusek]

i've played boneworks (and so did vinny actually) - that game might be the best experience when it comes to liminal spaces because, well, it's strengthened thanks to VR. the places in that game + the ambience and the music there are some of the most memorable things i got out of VR. recommended for every fan of this type of stuff

[@DreamlandsNightmare]

Oh, I have a recomendation for spooky season! There are some really good relatively short rpg-maker style weird/horror games on steam. Yuppie psycho is really weird horror, and Yume Nikki is kind of a surreal thing with a subtle horror to it

[@emmanuel5897]

Many many years ago when I was in middleschool, our school did a charity concert event that took place in the late evening. After it was done, I had to wait for my mom to pick me up, so i wandered around the usually bustling, now empty hallways and classrooms at night, only lit by red emergency lamps and my tiny keychain flashlight, and it felt a lot like the premise of liminal spaces. The absence of familiarity you get used to in a routine can create a big uneasy feeling hole.

[@arriasinsanite4886]

this really better with Vinny's imaginative words

[@ClassicShocker]

Liminal Spaces always felt like you're looking at a picture taken from a dream, these maps is how it feels when you're in one too, one moment you're in an office the next you're in a hallway with doors that leads to empty rooms and when you turn the corner at the end of the hallway it leads to a super market area and it keeps going on like that until you either wake up or go insane, this is the reason why I find liminal Spaces so creepy.

[@L30NBL4NK]

Laminal spaces are like a perspective to the infinite exploration of the human's subconscious.

[@lenettszczurek6065]

I like how the vent was 5 left turns after equal lengths

[@masterspartanchief33]

"Wel-come... to my. house, Mr. Free man. Do enjoy.. your stay.."

[@techdeckdudes_]

22:45 yooooooo, the Caretaker shoutout

[@Lucas-db2jq]

If you fill those locations with a bunch of daffy pals, dead jestahs and kilograms of feathers, what do you get? You get "Limmy-nal Spaces".

[@ljzzjl1789]

I love how Vinny was coming up with a story for the first map.

[@papaelf420]

I think liminal spaces don't have a purpose, like Vinny said. But it's more like a dream/nightmare where nothing makes sense but everything is familiar.

[@spooklass3588]

Oh no that's not just the swimming pool, that's the pool with that one abandoned water animatronic, oh god

[@alephcake]

4:03 This is where he got the Liminal Spaces concept.

[@gamingchinchilla7323]

I've seen some pretty luminal looking maps on the Quake engine too. I think its the lighting engine that helps the magic along.

[@reinmarren9959]

Liminal Space maps are like aliens taking infrastructure of humans and trying to recreate it. Then they drop you off and use you as a lab rat.

[@skyehimalaya8047]

From what I understand, Liminal Spaces are a thing because humans understand that rooms are created for a purpose, and serve that purpose or reason. If rooms don't have one, they feel strange, or wrong.

[@kingborgar35]

Maybe something is wrong with me but I'd find a stroll through the spaces quite relaxing.

[@TrueGamerWoo]

This makes me want to see maps that go for the opposite effect - like cozy maps or something

[@mikesherwood3366]

The best way I’ve heard to describe a liminal space is, to imagine an airport with no one in it. Basically, a place that is built to have people in it at just about any time of day, but for some reason has no people in it.

[@pickatenney8420]

Did not expect to be this immersed into this video, gg Vinny

[@topher8643]

I feel like this idea is better executed in those creepy images. You can only imagine the space outside the frame, fear of the unknown and all that. Here, you can know more and explore, but it's just a bunch of nothing.

[@Nisom630]

Liminal spaces to me are spaces that are usually designed to connect to other locations or be "between things", but don't seem to lead anywhere, making you feel trapped in the process. Like a purgatory or limbo.

[@rosiekat6592]

"you're playing on garry's mod, enjoy your stay!" to me felt more like "you're not alone on this server"

[@klaud7311]

Am I the only one who is super picky about these maps, but then when you find maps like gm_theend, it blows your mind and gives you hope.

[@sekairedblue]

It's like if aliens had to build a zoo cages for humans, it's close enough to real places but in ways that make no sense to us.

[@steel5897]

Is that a bunch of empty square office rooms? AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I'M GOING INSANE

[@GameparkGames]

Vinny explaining what he'd do in this situation... This would be heaven for me especially if it was endless, I hate being around others that much, I'd just enjoy being alone

[@2muchrubik]

A great map I would recommend for Halloween would be De_Haunts. It's a 1 to 1 recreation of Disney's haunted mansion with original sounds and images, it's incredible.

[@zhubwat]

Imagine, you spend hours walking, searching for food and water and finding nothing, and you finally get outside, and you find a briefcase. You think that you've found something useful. Then, you get teleported back to a parking area, who knows how many kilometres away? You can't remember what directions you went the first time - you don't even know if it's worth the travel.

[@seb1520]

The 4th map with all the messages on the wall just screams that it was made by a 14 year old who just wanted to show off his OC's in a quirky way. Look man, Im sorry to criticize you (the creator of this map) if youre reading this, but putting a bunch of OCs on your walls with a handle, as well as random text on the wall that essentially just explains what we the player are SUPPOSED to be feeling (without explanation), kills the vibe. You need to have confidence that you can communicate this type of existential creepiness without having to be so on the nose about it. Regardless, the map looks great, its just the drawings + the unnecessary text on the wall was killing the vibe a bit.

[@rugalbernstein5913]

A good way to describe a liminal space, instead of "creepy looking place", would actually be that it's a place that feels like it's missing something, like it's too empty for its own good, and the thing it's usually missing is people.

[@TheScrootch]

Nothing says liminal space more than "welcome to G-Mod" and Han Solo. That's what makes it liminal to me

[@robertcornhole5197]

1:05:00 Oh look, it's the start of Pink Floyd's "Time"!

[@darksuntoggafhd9947]

If anyone is really interested in this stuff, there's a cool channel that goes through some liminal space maps in vr called The Librarian.

[@middleofnowhere1313]

Liminal space is like a space intended to be passed through/used for a purpose but not to stay in, such as a gas station. When these places are empty of people, some folks find them creepy and unsettling.

[@mercoro]

Funny that gm_construct alone feels more liminal than all these maps together, it's way more weird. I think for something to feel more natural you have to actually be espontaneous, and not try to force a feeling into someone.

[@colegmr]

o god! That record is playing (The Caretaker - Everywhere At The End Of Time) Its an album meant to simulate dimensia / Alzheimer and is probably the most upsetting album Ive ever listened to.

[@onepunchboyprime1597]

"Huh? What's that? 'Ligma space'?! Speak up, sonny, I can't hear you!"