Vinland Saga - Reaction - S2E7 - Iron Fist Ketil

[@masterost1994]

"the thing (ting)" is basically an old norse meeting where different peoples/towns met up and discussed issues, like punishments for criminals, settling of debts and grander things such as going to war for example.

[@jamesleon4883]

I was wondering about that all episode. Thanks!

[@terryqokov6999]

The manga does a good job at providing an explanation for that.

[@dejisauce6025]

The manga had a little explanation for the meaning of it

[@Folkmoot]

​@@terryqokov6999 a "very" good job it's mentioned at the end of almost every volume

[@tweex1]

Just for clarification, the nobility of England felt subjugated by King Sweyn and the Danes. King Sweyn was not a native Englishman, but an invader. So, naturally, when he died, they wanted their *own* king back.

[@tweex1]

​​@trashthlete8776Good call, I was more or less trying to provide context rather than be accurate historically.

[@newtonia-uo4889]

​@Trashthlete Nationalism was a thing already at that time, you literally see examples of it in ancient egypt, china, and one of the clearest and most extant example being the jews.

[@gavinyeet0322]

@trashthlete8776nah even back then 99% percent of people wanted their people ruling them

[@tweex1]

​@@gavinyeet0322 Either way, it's not like common folk would be the ones to reinstate their ruler-it would be the nobility. That being said, I'm sure the reputation of the Vikings preceeded them, so I doubt the English wanted them in their homeland. And again, as far as context for *the anime* goes... this is all pedantic. 🤷‍♂️

[@dragular65]

@Trashthlete i see you in every comment section on this series. i need to know, are you a boer?

[@Tunskaa]

No wonder Ketil's wife is so hostile against the slave maid. I bet it's not a secret that Ketil spends the nights with the slave.

[@bendover7841]

Who wouldn't. Look at his wife.

[@DarkDoughnutsVids]

@@bendover7841 Bruh. They're literally old people. What do you think anyone at their age is gonna look like? Lmao

[@doburu4835]

concubine was the norm back then, especially if you are wealthy like Ketil

[@SolProxy]

@@bendover7841 Well I mean I doubt he spends his time with Arnheid just because she's pretty, but because she won't talk shit to him for not being tough enough.

[@aSSGoblin1488]

Ketil be huffing that puss in the end scene

[@phillipribbink6903]

To answer Dani's (hope I'm spelling that right) the reason Canute isn't king of both Denmark and England. Was to prevent war between brothers, killing your family was an incredibly taboo thing back in the day. Canute got England because he went through the trouble of pacifying and reconquering it. While his brother Harald got Denmark because as the oldest son it was his birthright. If someone had been King of both it could've led to war between the two, since one would've felt cheated. This way everybody's happy, in theory. Denmark would pass to Harald's children unless something were to happen to him or his children. Then Canute would've inherited the throne of Denmark (which actually was more than Denmark, he would've also been King over Norway as well) and vice versa.

[@MrSmee-vt7cy]

Thorgil definitely broke a rib or two with that hit on Sture. I hope Keitl doesn't notice how nice Arnheid is being with Einar or Keitl might so something bad to Einar

[@juliansanchezharris5773]

10:07 "the thing?" Weird translation... in the swedish sub it said something simiilar to "townmeeting", which makes much more sense since Thorgil and his dad Ketil owns a rich farmland, thus also has enough influence to take part in important local townmeetings. P.S. Keep it up! Love these reactions

[@Captain_Ironbeard]

A norse/germanian gathering is called a "Thing" usually pronounced as "Ting". That's where the issue lies, it's correctly translated but the meaning is different.

[@juliansanchezharris5773]

@@Captain_Ironbeard Well No. Or rather, yes and no. Ting makes more sense , since that is used here in Sweden too for the same purpose. But even though ting means both towngathering and the word "thing" it is two seperate things (see what i did there?), thus my comment with suspicion of mistranslation. Especially since Thing don't mean Townmeetings in english dictionaries either. Then it would still have been correct translation to either use Townmeeting Or keep it authentic and call it Ting but with an asterixed note of what that actually means.

[@mrhappyartworks]

@@juliansanchezharris5773 yeah, I remember in the manga, there would be a small panel to explain these sorts of vocabulary whenever it pops up for the first time.

[@juliansanchezharris5773]

@@mrhappyartworks precisely. That would make more sense. Not a big deal really, but purely for the viewers that don't know what a nordic ting is.

[@Captain_Ironbeard]

@@juliansanchezharris5773 In the germanic regions there would be two possibilities: the word "Thing" pronounced as "Ting" and "Ding" which can still be translated from modern german to the english "thing" nowadays. The place a Ting would be hold in a germanic area would be called "Dinghof" or "Thingplatz". But yeah I can get behind your way of thinking: if they're translating it to english, it would only make sense to use the proper nordic term or at least make it distingiushable enough for non-history enthusiasts, haha.

[@SGKingPhill]

Well Ketil had no choice, leadership back then was diff than now if you broke rules you had to be punished. Its kinda hard to watch Vinland and certain historical series without our modern filters, ideals, etc, you kinda have to shut them off or else you just sit there and question every horrible thing they did in the past. Hey at least it makes us appreciate being able to sit on a couch with A/C and watching anime right ? haha

[@rex6rocks]

well said lol

[@adrianwagner8202]

It's sad to imagine that kind-hearted people at that time had to create a pseudo badass facade in order to be respected. While Ketil is a good person, he doesn't have the courage to show his pacifist ideals the same way Thors did. That's just what's expected from a male leader and I'm so glad that people have moved away from that toxic mindset.

[@TheTenguwarrior]

About the pseudo fassade... well that will be explained more in detail in this season I suppose but about Ketil being a Pacifist: Ketil is not a Pacifist, he is just scared of violence. Yes he has a good deal of compassion and is a relativly nice guy. But for the most part he is just a coward. He is the master of the farm but in the issue of the punishment he was too scared to veto the opinions of his son, bodyguard and retainer. Out of fear that they could think less of him. He had the power to not punish the kids and could have let it rest with them working for the damage they cause. He also had the power to change the punishment to something else be it a beating without a stick, less strokes or just locking them up for a while. Maybe even calling it stops after ONE stroke of Thorgil but no, he decided to beat them nonetheless to safe face in front of his men. Ketil is not a Pacifist.

[@haroldcruz8550]

Ketil is not as bad as the others but you should reserve the judgement whether he's kind-hearted or not not after you finish this arc. Einar and Pater are the only characters in this arc I can confidently say as kind hearted people, well maybe also Arnheid, Leif and Ketil's father.

[@haroldcruz8550]

@@TheTenguwarrior It's much more nuanced than that, since he's not really a fighter you really think he'll be able to do anything if his own men commits mutiny or other land owners targets him. How easy do you think would it be for his men or other land owners to kill him in order to take his property, if he is branded as a coward then nobody in their village is going to care if he ends up dead.

[@danners1]

The Tale of Arnheid , a tragic life

[@bakagakure6435]

Don't remind me 😟

[@Thisisitfornow2560]

17:14 Morgan 😅😅

[@Gradashy]

They cut the spanking scene based on the Manga, Ketil says to himself he can't allow his son to spank the kid because he would kill him, and this is why he took the stick, and then he hit the boy easily and his son says he should be taking too easy. That is a terrible situation and Ketil doesn't want to do that.

[@oyaoya4156]

Ketil is a sweet man😢

[@vgfunman]

Just a sweet man that's statutory raping a woman he is forcing into slavery! What a kind heart!

[@apppletreee]

Beg to differ

[@hajzoom4278]

@@apppletreee values skewed to match his time definitely, but at least hes got empathy thats lacking in those around him

[@Okkotsu86275]

Ketil is gentle and kind-hearted man forced to be something his not due to the culture he was born into. I feel for him.

[@animate2599]

j hope (BTS) On The Street podrían reaccionar a su nueva canción y me gustó este capitulo❤❤❤

[@BenganGamer]

6:05 BRO THE PLAY BUTTON IN THE BACKGROUND I NEVER NOTICED😂

[@NileSwimmer]

Facial hair doing wonders for Thorfinn's personality...lol jk. Wish Ketil stuck to "5 strokes" instead. Guess we had to see how "weak" he is in a way.

[@TheReactPack]

Yeah, it is unfortunate. He would’ve been good at 5! Or at least fake it!! -Morgan

[@Okkotsu86275]

Seeing Thornfinn so flustered and unsure is kind of wholesome.

[@TheReactPack]

RIGHT! The growth :’) -Morgan

[@Okkotsu86275]

@@TheReactPack It’s beautiful to see