My father gave me his Pro Mac 610 back in 2005 that he used in the 80s in upstate NY on our farm when I was a kid. It still runs great, I have always loved the look and sound of it. It makes me think of my dad and I working together, he would cut the wood, and I would pick up the pieces and stack them in the wood trailer behind the old tractor. I have all the manuals, parts, owner and service manuals for this series. In 2006, I got one of these used saws on eBay for $50.00. Sold as is, not running but has good compression. I replaced the spark plug and it fired right up. I kept finding these saw for dirt cheap on eBay so I learned how to repair them, which isn't that hard. When I moved from New Mexico back up to upstate New York in 2020, you should have seen the look on the faces of the movers of the Atlas moving company when they were in my shop looking up at 13 McCulloch Pro Mac 610s on the shelf, then the vintage 10-10, 200 and 250, Model 15, Mini-Mac, Homelite XL Automatic, Poulan Pro 4218a, and two chinese chainsaws (58cc and 62cc, one orange and the other yellow. That's when I thought to myself...."What the hell is the matter with me???" LOL Thanks for the video!!
@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea91563 жыл бұрын
Well there is nothing wrong with you. You have discovered that it is best to be prepared, so you have a saw for every reason, every season, and some back up,s just in case. You have also become a lot smarter than most as you have taken the time to learn how to repair them ,as well as the great memories of working with your dad.
@EightWheelsRollin Жыл бұрын
Great overview of a SOLID line of power saws. I have a 610 and agree with everything you said about these saws. Great video!
@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156 Жыл бұрын
The 610's were the largest selling chainsaw model for a reason ! Thanks for watching.
@EightWheelsRollin Жыл бұрын
@@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156 You bet! They had the, if it ain't broke, don't fix it mentality with these saws.
@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156 Жыл бұрын
Yep !
@dyer2cycle3 жыл бұрын
..Torque, man, torque!..slower RPM's, but way more grunt than a newer high-RPM saw, especially in a similar displacement situation...I love it, an older guy(I'm 55 myself) that say's your a weenie if you complain about the weight!.. :)..I'm a long-time chainsaw mechanic, but have pretty much retired from it because I have had enough of the modern autotune, m-tronic, strato saws, etc. with finicky electronics, extra wires, complicated intake systems, and extra crap crammed in there that make them difficult and time-consuming to work on...I get guys all the time, who keep wanting a lighter and lighter saw(but want the same durability and power, of course)...often, the older the guys are, the lighter they want their saws..well, I hate to say it, but when you start complaining that a 10-pound saw is too heavy, maybe you're getting to the point where it's no longer safe for you to run a chainsaw?....
@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea91563 жыл бұрын
I have found that a cutting speed of between 8 to9 grand is perfect for me, as I can cut a lot of wood without having to sharpen and adjust the chain for quite a while. The new saws I have had that run so fast, always required constant attention to the chain. All the pro cutters around here wont use the stupid-tune saws, and have to have a lot of saws on hand when doing a job, as the saws just have too many inconsistencies , and are not reliable. I find a heavier saw actually helps my cutting, as I dont have to lean on it, like a light saw, to keep it cutting quickly.
@Indeewoods2 жыл бұрын
Well this is the second time I’ve watched this video. Haha “recycled toilet paper”. That was good for a laugh. Just taking an interest in McCullochs lately. I ported a little plastic mac and It looks like it was in one of those broshures but under one of the many model names they used over the years. Mine is a PM425AV which is the same as the Mac 3200 3516 etc. Sticker on mine says made in Mexico but another one says made in Taiwan. They have that same boxy look to them. When I first layed my hands on one I thought what absolute junk and now it’s my main cheap bush saw. No drama from it just runs great and even better now that it’s ported. Does not leak a drop of oil and simple to work on. Smooth to run but plastic so you can’t drive over these with a tractor and get away with it lol. Another thing is it starts in 2 pulls. I will keep my eye out for a Pro mac 610 or 650. You can really here the difference in that 650. One thing about not buying anything new is that I won’t be able to say “ I got that 30 years ago”. Lol
@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea91562 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy your comments. The little plastic Mac's were not sold in the US I believe and have never seen one. Fun to experiment with Turd saws once in a while for a challenge. Most Mac's size for size in their heyday were better performers than most other saws, and were simple to maintain and repair. When you scrounge up some Mac's, you will be a happy camper!
@Asunamazda3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for taking the time to make this sir. Very informative. Appreciate it!
@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea91563 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@jeremyrodriguez8363 жыл бұрын
@@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156 my fatherinlaw has a 20" timber bear that im trying to find parts for the problem is cant find what it is. Can you please help?
@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea91563 жыл бұрын
Without specific information about what you need, I cant be of much help.@@jeremyrodriguez836
@Smittyschainsaws3 жыл бұрын
Saw therapy as I call it!! Nice collection of McCulloch saws!
@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea91563 жыл бұрын
So many people I have known, never could figure out why I collect and use old equipment. It is therapy and a challenge and makes work fun. Most of them sit around, drink beer and watch their game and are gone a few years after retiring. I keep about 200 years of projects lined up, so I need to live a long time !
@alanreynolds21253 жыл бұрын
Thanks you two! great as always, really look forward to your video's ! regards alan.
@dmanssawclub88673 жыл бұрын
I love these old saws love to work on them too. Nice collection
@kcjones49253 жыл бұрын
just got my dad's old 5700 running today great saw hadn't ran in 20 years
@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea91563 жыл бұрын
The 5700,s were made from 1991 ti 1999 57cc. They were a variant of the Pro Mc 610,s.
@BWreSlippySlope3 жыл бұрын
I picked up a vintage 650 and two 1-40. They are low RPM but all still running and still cutting through logs.
@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea91563 жыл бұрын
good find and will still do a lot of work
@michaelszpak22473 жыл бұрын
I love Macs too.
@justinweaver87873 жыл бұрын
Hope you have a good week buddy they all cut great love e thanks for sharing em with us.
@treebender2613 жыл бұрын
One thing worth mentioning mac's don't over heat like the xl12 do on a warm day the gas boils in the homelite making them hard to start I don't care how rich you run them I am not a hater I love my homelites I took down a 36 inch ash at 85 last fall it was hard as a rock never over heated one pull restarts I don't think my 10 10 pro mac would have did nearly as well love my 610s thay cut way out of there class just bomb proof thanks for everything
@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea91563 жыл бұрын
You are right about the 610.s always running no matter the weather. I have a 10-10 that I have not run yet and fixing a pro mac 55, so next spring I will do a comparison. Iwill do a head to head competition of my XL 12 when I get it operational, against the Mac Timber Bear. It will be interesting to see how they stack up. Thanks for watching.
@nhvintage29813 жыл бұрын
I own to two 610s there great saws and they don't pick your pick your pockets like other saws 😆
@peterbrigham61833 жыл бұрын
So I decided to get new bars for my 610, and Montgomery Ward. Then both coils failed in a week. Back to the '87' Jonsered, but she now tinkles fuel when full! Ah well, winter is here, no cut'in icicles for me ! I must say you do a fine grind to the chains. THANKS MUCH
@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea91563 жыл бұрын
before you condemn the coils, disconnect the ignition switces and re-check for spark. I have never suffered a coil failure on any of my Mac,s but the ignition switches are a different story..On your Jonsereds, you probably just need the duck bill valve in the fuel cap. Easy fix and about $6. Thanks for the compliment on my chain filing. I did a video about how I sharpen my chains a while back, and if you havent seen it take a look. Thanks for watching.
@peterbrigham61833 жыл бұрын
@@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156 HI, and thank you. I will try the Mc's without the kill switch. And the Jonsered is showing leak at the bar and bolts on the clutch cover. I will want it up pretty soon. Happy Hollidays to you and yours
@jakeschmidt2647 Жыл бұрын
My grandpa has a McCullouch 610 he used all the time when he used to heat his house with wood. Last time the saw was used was 1987. I wanted a bigger saw and am too cheap to buy a new one so I drug it out of the garage and dusted it off, put new gas in it, pulled it over about 8 times and it fired right up. Couldn’t believe it. Sitting 35 years and it runs like you just used it last weekend. They don’t make ‘‘em like that anymore
@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156 Жыл бұрын
The Mac 610's and 650's were some of the most reliable saws ever made. Several of mine have been on the job for 42 years with no major repairs. All the saws I bought to replace them, Stihls and Husky's, all went to the scrap yard, as they just wore out rather quickly, and parts prices were too stupid to make it viable to repair them.
@michaeltimmermann39853 жыл бұрын
OK, you've got me! The 650 is on my wish list now! 🙂 I'm a 10-Series / Super Pro guy so far. Very interesting information about the factory porting of the 650! Here in Germany there are a few 600-Series saws on ebay from time to time. Most of the times around $70 to $100. The are no real beauties in my eyes, but let's see how it feels having one of them in the woods. It sounds to me, that they did some very interesting improvements in comparison to the PM 10-10 for example, with the anti-vibration and adjustable carb and oiler from the outside. I have a PM 300 which is crap to me and I always thought that the 610 and 650 play in the same league, but you made me curious now. Let's see! 🙂 Thank you for your informative videos! Kind regards!
@dersoloist6591 Жыл бұрын
hallo michael, wo kommst du denn her ? hast schon eine 650er gefunden ? gruss, bernd
@Finom12 жыл бұрын
Hi Mr. Obsoletes Vintage Homesteading, a friend of mine needs the Blessing of your wisdom to solve his problem:) His name is TazMan and the video is -How to remove an automatic oiler on a McCulloch 1010!!! If you have time Bless him by helping him solve his oiling problem!!! May God Bless and Protect you and your wonderful family!!!
@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea91562 жыл бұрын
I will see what I can do.
@jeffreyrubish3473 жыл бұрын
That 650 is impressive.
@cherylrodmell15623 жыл бұрын
hi from west coast of New Zealand . I own three 610 s . kept buying one for spair parts but spending five minutes on each one they all run just fine .they might be ugly and heavy boy , do they cut fire wood ,great saw.. .
@dyer2cycle2 жыл бұрын
..Buckin' Billy Ray Smith would love to have that McCulloch shirt you are wearing!..of course, he would cut(or tear maybe?)the sleeves off of it.. :)
@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea91562 жыл бұрын
He would have to, as he is a big dude !
@VicsYard2 жыл бұрын
Really cool
@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea91562 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@Indeewoods2 жыл бұрын
Sad how all these companies got bought out or went out of business. I heard those Timber Bears were sold dirt cheap.McCulloch was trying to save themselves maybe or just clear out inventory like you say.
@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea91562 жыл бұрын
The Mac Timber Bears were basically using up parts stocks and were assembled in the brand new factory in Mexico. Most parts suppliers had quit selling parts to McCulloch because of lack of payments, so the end was near. My new old stock Timber bear has to be one of the last of the saws built, as I have seen and worked on a lot of them, and mine is the only one I have seen with the brown starter cover. McCulloch had a bad habit of changing the graphics etc. , and coming up with fancy new names for the same old saws that had been in production for years, hoping that customers would think it is a new model and buy them. There seems to be a fair amount of the old Timber Bears around still, so they must have sold fairly well till no more parts were available, and the 610 series saws being as tough and reliable as they are, they have survived. Being sold dirt cheap like you say, people must have snapped them all up.
@johnclarke66473 жыл бұрын
Also, heavy saws do not exhibit kickback tendencies, like light saws. My saws also have big dogs and I dig them in when cutting. I don’t think they will kickback, even if I do something stupid, but as a kid I learned to keep my eyes on the bar tip at all times.
@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea91563 жыл бұрын
You have it figured out for sure.
@nhellman843 жыл бұрын
Great video. I love the 600 series saws too. It’s not about being the lightest or fastest cutting, it’s about being super reliable and these saws are.
@oldbowsaw90013 жыл бұрын
Good imformation!!!
@motordiverse12762 жыл бұрын
Hey ! Nice one...and like you humor or the frases..." common like dirt but rear as heck " he he. I have a 610 and so positive to hear all this positive about exactely the saw i bought on trip home...witj out knowing much about it. Those might be the most produced volum saw...but one told me that S-10 Stihl was the biggest in the volum on planet ever... I hear you say Homelite is it...? 12 is good number second with not so big margines. ANYWAY....the saw ...the 610...it is rear i will say here in Norway...to be bought and found...so I very happy owner. Yes...it started right away...but waiting for a fresh chain...as it was very dull. Of course make clip/ film of it later on... Thx for informing us and sharing ! :-) Not many of you kind with this level of interesting insight !
@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea91562 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the nice comments. The McCulloch Pro mac 610 was the largest selling single model chainsaw in the US and the Homelite XL 12 was a close second. I I would bet that the Mac 610 was the largest selling saw ever, as Stihl was not a big company when McCulloch was the king, but it is just a guess.
@justinbashaw50383 жыл бұрын
I picked up a promac 650 for $25 things a beast small adjustments to the carb and sharpen the chain
@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea91563 жыл бұрын
They are real performers!
@darrellpickering85352 жыл бұрын
Should've mentioned how easy it was to get the air filter cocked letting dirt in. They were also damned loud!
@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea91562 жыл бұрын
I have never had any issues with the air cleaner not fitting properly. Maybe you have a poor quality aftermarket one? The Pro Mac 650 is loud, but the 610 not so much, as I dont use ear protection when running mine at times. My Homelite XL,s are a lot louder.
@frankserra67093 жыл бұрын
Back with you here learning. I believe I paid too much. But, since I'm not very mechanically inclined to say the least (my youngest brother is though) So. while searching for a vintage mcculloch chainsaw either a 610 or 10-10. I came across a one owner, very well care for like new Mcculloch Timber Bear with s 20" bar, on the Bay. I offered the nice gentleman...first $135, then $155., But, he didnt accept those offers. So then I bid his intial asking price of $179., and I won the bid...I know a majority here and you my Chainsaw Sensei. Are/May say I paid too much. But, I couldn't help myself...I suffered from temporary insanity and had to have it...Now, I just have to try and find a manual for this saw. I think I'm getting a bad case of Mcculloch fever...
@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea91563 жыл бұрын
Timber Bears are the last of the McCulloch,s made, and are basically the same as the pro mac 610, except for the displacement. Timber Bear 54cc - 610 60cc. The recoil starters were cheapened up and have a tendency to fail, but used ones off parts 610,s are readily available, and dont break. Operators manual is the same for both saws, and should be easy to find. When I pay too much for something, I trick myself by saying, they make new money every day, but not the piece of junk I just got ! Works every time !
@sashaantidot24443 жыл бұрын
Do you have some Stihl chainsaws? They were also good at the time when they were build like a tank ... Btw your videos are ASMR type of videos . Always watching before sleep
@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea91563 жыл бұрын
I have some Stihls, and suggest you watch one of my older video,s (Super Power Kindling Cutter Chainsaw} to see one in action.
@alfredspears65382 жыл бұрын
I have a pro mac 610. How do I adjust the auto chain oiler? I bought it new in 1982 & always had to use the hand oiler It has been a back up saw because of that so never got used much. Yesterday I took it off the shelf (stored 6 years) with fresh gas & a shot of starting fluid it fired off on about the 3rd pull. I would like to adjust the oiler & realy start useing it. Thank you
@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea91562 жыл бұрын
It is very easy to adjust the oiler. Take off the air cleaner cover, and the oil pump will be visible. On the top of the pump is a screw. Turn the screw counter clockwise for more oil and the opposite direction for less oil. I would recommend on taking the bar and chain off to see how well the oiler is working when the saw is running.
@scrapeteel1999 Жыл бұрын
Can't agree with you more.
@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching.
@JamesSmith-jh5kn4 ай бұрын
Great video, I learned a lot. Thank you! I acquired a Promax 650 that runs great. I have one question, what degree do you sharpen the chain at. Thank you.
@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea91564 ай бұрын
I sharpen my 3/8" chainsaw chains around 30 degrees for the type of wood I generally cut. You can watch some of my other videos and see that my saws cut really well at that angle. Thanks for watching and commenting.
@garysheren93532 жыл бұрын
Hello agine sir I had mentioned I picked up a 610 but I couldn't find any id tag any where. IT was right on the front of the saw just below the plug serial 11-048017 and the mod 600041c .If You would sir could tell me what I have
@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea91562 жыл бұрын
It is a McCulloch Pro Mac 610 for sure
@christianspain3015 Жыл бұрын
You didn't specifically say it but I understood from the video that McCulloch made that saw for Montgomery Ward and it is literally a different color 610. Is that correct?
@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156 Жыл бұрын
The Montgomery Wards saw is the same saw as the McCulloch Pro Mac 610 except for the color.
@Smittyschainsaws3 жыл бұрын
An update on your saw. During the second round of testing I ran into a leaking carb issue. The air box filled up with gas. I am currently working on replacing the faulty carb. Hopefully I will be finished with it this week. I have a spare ready to nearly ready to go. I just want to be certain you are getting a good saw that doesn't need repairs. I might get delayed again. My dad just spent two weeks in the hospital and we are scheduled to have our new baby this week. She will be induced if she doesn't go naturally on Thursday.
@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea91563 жыл бұрын
Dont wory about getting the saw out right away, as you have plenty of priorities that are more important Family first !
@ColetonGeorge2 жыл бұрын
Hey Mr. Know any information on the PM605? I have one it’s black and silver, and I have my PM650 I love to use.
@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea91562 жыл бұрын
A Pro Mac 605 is the same as the 610, but has slightly less displacement
@tedmiller17452 жыл бұрын
Any way you can scan that that 1976 ad and send? LMK
@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea91562 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately I dont have the ability to do so.
@jackschumacher3 жыл бұрын
I have the montgomery wards branded saw from the early '80s. I always thought the bar oil only came out manually. Are you telling me I've been hitting that plunger for the last 40 years and didn't have to? They were built like a tank. Only the chain and plug have ever been replaced.
@mez5590 Жыл бұрын
Ha, me too!
@jimsworthow531 Жыл бұрын
Once you go Pro Mac, you don't go back. I went down the Mcculloch rabbit hole years ago with a 550 super and never left. ; counselling, therapy?
@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156 Жыл бұрын
No need for counselling or therapy with McCulloch's, but if you had a Stihl or Husky instead, I would definatly recommend it !
@mikeh27723 жыл бұрын
Just used the heck out of my mid `90s, made in mexico timber bear today. Need to look into the fuel pump, had to run with partial choke. Other than that, she was barking with a couple feet "rooster tail" of chips.
@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea91563 жыл бұрын
just need s a carb rebuild-easy to do on this saw.
@farmerjackson7093 жыл бұрын
There is a big difference in power between a 6-10 and a 610 but still good saws
@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea91563 жыл бұрын
The 6-10 was an older saw with 70cc displacement. I,ve never had one to make a comparison to the Mac 610, but would think it is comparable to my Pro Mac 700, a real performer.
@dyer2cycle2 жыл бұрын
..McCulloch, like you say, was having numerous problems at the end..but I think what really finished them off, is that they had no "modern" designs that would meet the new, more stringent, EPA standards..about the "3.7 Timber Bear"..I never understood why they decided to reduce the displacement on a saw that was already quite heavy even for a 60cc saw..I can't see how having the cylinder and piston made with a slightly smaller bore would have reduced their production costs..makes no sense to me...?..anyways, I love these old saws! :)
@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea91562 жыл бұрын
I think they were using up old stock's of parts on these saws, as it made no sense to build a smaller saw. The stock 610's are very good performers, so cutting the displacement was a stupid move. McCulluch had a production facility in Italy, and were producing totally modern designs, and imported a few models, but it was too little, too late. McCulloch quit innovating at least 20 years before they failed, and just putting fancy names on the old designs was just plain stupid.
@nicknolan21529 ай бұрын
What ratio oil should a guy run in these old saws?
@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea91569 ай бұрын
I would suggest you watch one of my older videos (Vintage Chainsaws-Proper Oils And Mix Ratios) from about 2 years ago. Every old saw I use, gets a different ratio depending on the temperature, how hard I will be using the saw, and also the vintage of the saw. The video explains it all. The oil I use today is ECHO RED ARMOR, and have had excellent results.
@nicknolan21529 ай бұрын
Excellent video i had been running 40 to one im my 610 but its husky. I use my stihl 034 for most of my cutting but i have a larger bar on my 610 so it barely gets ran but when it does it runs hard.
@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea91569 ай бұрын
Thanks for the nice comment and for watching.
@nicknolan21529 ай бұрын
Ive looked at my model number and it comes up as a eager beaver but the sticker on the tank is for a pm610 i guess somebody put a tank and cover from a pro mac is there are there any major differences between the two?
@ChevyGuy702 жыл бұрын
My 610 is great. I feel it has low compression for a 60cc saw. My 590 echo is higher compression to pull over than this one. You think it’s about time for a rebuild?
@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea91562 жыл бұрын
The Pro Mac 610's don't have real high compression, so if it starts easy and cuts well, just leave it as is. I have never had to rebuild any of my 610's, even with over 40 years of constant use.
@johnclarke66472 жыл бұрын
I just watched some DA calling himself a farmer that was trying to start a 610 that had not run in 30 years,and kept cutting it off when he got it running because the chain break was on. Worse yest he was working on it on his concrete front porch. I can only imagine how much paint was left on the sprocket cover because he had turned that side down on the rough concrete to work on it. He could have probably gotten it running if he had taken the chain break off. Millennials think they can rule the world and can’t even crank a chainsaw.
@dieselmechanicsam Жыл бұрын
I seen that video too, it was hard to watch for me really. I'm 26 and I'm very well versed in my chainsaws. Can't fix stupid
@johnclarke6647 Жыл бұрын
I can believe all of that. My grandfather farmed 2,500 acres in South Georgia and he rode it every day on a horse. He worked eight days a week. Now, these idiots ride around in expensive 4by 4 trucks and are in debt up to their noses. Grandpa had a 50 Chevy truck that had more rusted areas than paint. He farmed with four Ford tractors, two Jubilees, a Ford 540 and an A model Johnny. These guys, today, have tractors with more horsepower than all of his combined. FYI, I crank mine on a door mat, the ground or at least on a wood surface. I hat to see paint missing from my saws.
@dieselmechanicsam Жыл бұрын
@@johnclarke6647 yeah I agree. People are soft nowadays, got very little handy skills if any. Like can you imagine not knowing how to operate a chainsaw, but you can "run a tractor". Like damn. And yes I agree I start mine on a old mudflap off a dump truck
@johnclarke6647 Жыл бұрын
@@dieselmechanicsam I crank mine on old bath mats.
@KainKustomGarage3 жыл бұрын
Nice! I'm gonna bust mine out!
@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea91563 жыл бұрын
What a great idea ! My Mac 610s and 650 have stood the test of time, and are excellent cutters as well.
@waxren9223 жыл бұрын
Sir that has to be the best $35 that anybody ever spent
@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea91563 жыл бұрын
It was and still is !
@corybouldin63832 жыл бұрын
What size bar are you running on your timber bear? I bought mine on eBay for $100 shipped back in 08 I think. Best saw I have ever owned.
@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea91562 жыл бұрын
I run 20" bars on the Timber Bears. The pro mac 610, which is the same saw except the displacement (TB 54cc--610 60cc) I usually run a 24" and sometimes a 20"
@kowski9477 Жыл бұрын
I just bought a ward 3.7 model , super clean and has a " DOOBIES SMOKE SHOP" sticker on it all for $40 ! When i got to the mans house to pick it up his entire family was there . I gave them the money and out of nowhere someone started stringin a fiddle so i started kicking my heels and jigging my feet and next thing you know it was a bonafide straight up hoe down !
@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156 Жыл бұрын
Now that is a real unusual way to celebrate the selling of a chainsaw!
@kevinc.88693 жыл бұрын
I just bought a 1980 model 610. Is the handle supposed to be attached to that flat metal plate at the bottom? Mine isn't attached and I can't see any way for it to be. I bought the saw from someone on Facebook Marketplace. The guy brought me the saw and said he hadn't cranked it for a long time. I kid you not, I didn't even notice where the choke lever was and just turned on the ignition switch. I saw it already had gas in the tank and it started on the third pill with no choke. I turned and looked at him and said "I'll take it" .
@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea91563 жыл бұрын
The handle is not connected at the rear, as it is built that way as part of the anti vibe system. The 610,s are powerful, easy to maintain, and last forever if taken care of. These are the saws I started with, and my number 1 saws used here on the homestead.
@kevinc.88693 жыл бұрын
@@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156 thank you Sir for that. That's what I was thinking. I plan to break the saw down to clean and refurbish it. It's a keeper.
@craigstaley17603 жыл бұрын
I'm just learning about these. My grandfather swore by them. I have his pro mac 650. I just got it running. I'm curious. I don't see a chain brake on yours. Did you remove it? I don't see Gpa putting stickers on a 610. Do I have the pro mac 650 you think?
@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea91563 жыл бұрын
On the metal tag that shows the series and serial number, usually under the air cleaner area, the 610 would be 600041 and a 650 600046. Several of my 610,s and 650 do not have chain brakes on them, and that is the way I recieved them.
@craigstaley17603 жыл бұрын
I've been researching since I made this comment hours ago. I guess the decompression valve is a tell. Thank you for these videos. I appreciate the knowledge. Upstate NY. 🇺🇸
@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea91563 жыл бұрын
The early 650.s like mine didnt have the decompression valve, but most do.@@craigstaley1760
@tedmiller17452 жыл бұрын
Is the 605 about the same minus about 2 cc's?
@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea91562 жыл бұрын
The Mac 605 is smaller in displacement than the 610, but I am not sure as to the correct displacement, as I have a couple of pieces of literature that gives different info. One source says 54cc, the other 58cc, so without being able to measure the bore on one, I dont know for sure.
@ButlerOutdoorsCanada3 жыл бұрын
AWESOME Video sir! Do you happen to have any information on the pro mac 655 from that era? I have one and it's awesome but I can't find much info on it, I know it's 60 cc and from the 80's. Any help is appreciated! Cheers!
@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea91563 жыл бұрын
The info I have is that it 60cc made in 1982 and 83
@ButlerOutdoorsCanada3 жыл бұрын
@@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156 thanks man. It looks this 655 is a real oddball as there's not alot about it online. I really like the saw ither way so in the wood she goes! Cheers!
@Finom13 жыл бұрын
Could you make some videos of tearing down your saws to inspect the piston and rings for wear??? Great educational videos. Can't find McCulloch's on the East Coast!!!
@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea91563 жыл бұрын
The reason I use mostly McCullochs and Pioneer saws is that they never seem to need any major repairs, so no tear downs. I plan on rebuilding a couple of real early saws that need major engine work next spring, and will do a video on them. then. Surprised that Mac,s arent available on the east coast as they were such a large seller.
@thehonestwoodcutterbradywe80113 жыл бұрын
I just bought a really low hour pm 610 thats had porting done.i expect it should cut about like a 650
@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea91563 жыл бұрын
In stock form a PM 610 does a very good job, and it will be interesting to see how a ported one performs.
@thehonestwoodcutterbradywe80113 жыл бұрын
@@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156 I'll be making a video tomorrow using it.ill send you the link
@vintagesawyer62463 жыл бұрын
Great video Mr. Obs! I have seen some 610's around here. But knew nothing about them. I have a Pro Mac 510 37cc not running (yet lol) were they a "hot" version?
@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea91563 жыл бұрын
The 510 was a fill in saw, size wise, between a Mini Mac 35 and a 10-10. I have never seen one or run one, but should be a good performer, since it was based on the Mini Mac,s, which for their size work great.
@vintagesawyer62463 жыл бұрын
@@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156 Thanks. You may have inspired me to actually get it running. Needs a Zama C1 carb kit. And maybe a coil 🤔👍
@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea91563 жыл бұрын
If you have a no spark condition, check the kill switch first, as these fail at times. Good to get another Mac cutting wood.@@vintagesawyer6246
@vintagesawyer62463 жыл бұрын
@@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156 Interesting thing is some one had installed an Atom computer ignition module in the saw , badly , wires were rubbing on flywheel etc. Also it was an Orange module which is for go carts apparently .The points are still there so I put the wires back the way I thought they should be , but propably got it wrong. Left kill wire out for now.(to short)
@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea91563 жыл бұрын
The aftermarket ignition chips are pretty much universal. If they went to that much trouble to eliminate the points, there is a good chance the coil is still good.@@vintagesawyer6246
@butahuruf16553 жыл бұрын
I have one series 610 promax I'm Indonesian
@aldredske61973 жыл бұрын
Hi Ol' boy!!😀😀 I'm glad you love them old 610's. I've been a professional logger almost all my life and you couldn't make me use one of them to try to make a living with. I ran one for about a hour one time. I felt that they were the clumsyest most unbalanced chainsaw I ever ran in my life. A pro Mac 700 was one of my favorite Mac's I ever had. Also the pro Mac 1010 was a really great pulpwood saw. 3.5 pounds is a lot of weight if you are going to use it for 8 to 10 hours a day cutting wood. If you think extra weight makes it cut faster, then you need to do some work to your chain. Like sharpening it and adjusting your rakers to allow it to cut at full potential without ever pushing on it. I'm not trying to be mean. I'm just starting facts from my years of experience making a living cutting timber. I'm actually a Stihl chainsaw lover. I've never seen a Mac outlast my Stihl's unless they are both just sitting on a shelf and never used. LOL!! It's all about who is running them and taking care of them as to how long they will last. They all made good models and bad models. But Stihl was around long before Mac's and is still here long after the Mac's are gone. Take care my friend and stay safe and healthy!!😀😀 Logger Al
@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea91563 жыл бұрын
Due to your glowing review of the Mac 610, and 650,s I figure I should go out and buy another 5 or 6. Just kidding. You are 100% right about them not being a commercial saw. They were sold as a farm/home owner saw, and were very successfull, being the largest selling models of saw of any manufacturer. Also.It is interesting that some of the highest views on my channel are about these two saws and all the comments I have had on them ware all positive. Since I am not a pro, and dont use square cut chain for max performance, my saws cut very well. Check out my video on my Pro Mac 700. I just use round tooth, chisel bit chain-works for me.My experience with Stihl and Husky,s have been just the opposite of yours, mine failed dramaticly, and the parts were so expensive to fix them, I sold them for parts. Here in the Northwest, allmost all commercial saws are Husky,s, and the big dealers sell 10 Husky,s to every Stihl commercial saw. It all boils down to use what you like and works for your intended purpose. Mac failed because of lack of innovation in later years, leaving the commercial market, and bad management.Thanks for watching and your comments!
@aldredske61973 жыл бұрын
@@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156 :) I don't disagree that your saws usually cut well. But you were the one that made the remark about using the weight of the saw to push it through. I bet you had to touch up a few teeth after you hit the wood holder during the demonstration. LOL!! Yep, I saw that!!
@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea91563 жыл бұрын
I usually dont put much pressure on the saw when cutting, as the saw will do most of the work. Ironhorse talked about his old Stihl in one of his videos, and said the extra weight of his old saw made it cut faster than the newer lighter one he replaced it with. What works best for one doesnt always work for another. You are the only one who saw me touch the chain on my holder, very observant. I need to be more careful. Thanks again for your input.@@aldredske6197
@aldredske61973 жыл бұрын
@@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156 :) I actually heard it hit. Then I rewatched it and saw it. LOL!! I've been listening to saws for way too many years!!
@jeremyrodriguez8363 жыл бұрын
Hello there i like your videos keep up the good work id like to ask you some questions about the Mcculloch timber bear
@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea91563 жыл бұрын
Send me a message as to what info you need.
@jeremyrodriguez8363 жыл бұрын
@@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156 my father in law has a timber bear i need the sprocket , bar 20" , air filter. Its a 60013414. I cant seem to find how many CC's or and information to buy parts that fit
@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea91563 жыл бұрын
The displacement of the Timber Bear is 54cc,s The air filter is the same as a Pro Mac 610 and is readily available on EBAY.The sprocket is just a standard universal 7 pin, but you need to see if the chain is 3/8" pitch or .325. The bars are being sold on EBAY, but there arent a lot of 20" bars any more, but plenty of 18" and 16" bars. Another place to look for parts is customchainsawparts in Washington state, they should have what you need.@@jeremyrodriguez836
@jeremyrodriguez8363 жыл бұрын
@@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156 Thank you so much happy 4th
@bozo432 жыл бұрын
Great channel! I’ve acquired a ProMac 655 “Professional”. Do you know where it sits spec wise to the 650? Doesn’t seem to be a whole lot of info out there. Cheers and keep up the great content 👍
@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea91562 жыл бұрын
The 655 is the same as a PRO MAC 610 displacement wise, but I think it has the cylinder that has the extra boost port for more power, as it is rated to run a 28 inch bar. Basically the same as the Pro Mac 650 with fancy lettering.
@bozo432 жыл бұрын
@@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156 Thanks for the quick response. I was hoping it still was the “hotrod” version that you described the 650 as being. It’s currently sporting a 24in bar which should be big enough for the timber I’ll be hitting. Do you rate the Oregon bars as replacements? Cheers
@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea91562 жыл бұрын
I run 24" bars on both my 610's and my 650. That seems to be the ideal size for these saws. Oregon bars are good, and I have them on a number of saws.@@bozo43
@leolean1517 Жыл бұрын
For the love of God... can you sell me this cataloges and send me to Buenos Aires?? Please?? 😢😢😢
@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156 Жыл бұрын
Why not ????
@beauhudson7758 Жыл бұрын
The mixture on those saws is wayyy too heavy.
@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156 Жыл бұрын
Actually the mixture is spot on for the type of use that these saws get. The proof of this is that some of my Mac 610's have anywhere from 35 to 43 years of continuous use, have never been apart for repairs or carbon removal and perform like new. The oil I use in these saws does not build carbon. The modern saws that I used to have, all had catastrophic engine failures using the factory recommended oils and ratios. I would have to guess that you have no experience with the McCulloch saws.