Why Mr. Obsolete Uses Only Vintage Chainsaws

In this video I explain why I only use vintage chainsaws. I also show some of my vintage chainsaws including the following brands: MCculloch, Homelite, Pioneer and John Deere.

[@melvinpowell3939]

I really like my vintage chainsaws!! Mine have outlasted all my relative's saws. Like you, I see no reason to spend tons of money on a new power saw every few years.

[@dyer2cycle]

...I used to be a Husqvarna Tech for a local Husqvarna dealer...I loved working on saws(at first)..until they started replacing the simple, durable, time-proven saws with, at first, the "strato" saws..then the "Autotune" saws(which were also strato saws)..now, to be fair, the computerized tuning system didn't really give that much trouble..but.. I HATED those saws..still do..there were bearing failures and hot starting issues at first....and what I found is that often, the Autotune would "mask" other problems, like an air leak or a bad seal/bearing..it would try to compensate and keep the saw running..until it toasted the P&C..the older ones would simply quit when there was a problem like that..often before there was catastrophic failure..and then, customers would bring the saws back and want you to "tweak" or "adjust" the carburetor to make it start easier..then you had to tell them there were no adjustments...also, they were MUCH more time-consuming to work on..more plumbing, more wires, tighter spaces..and you had to remove the flywheel and jack around with other stuff just to change an ignition module...but the worst one to me, is that you CANNOT just buy a new carburetor, bolt it on in the field, and go..Nooooo..you have to PROGRAM it first, else it won't even work!.. :( Eventually, the Dealer(which was primarily an equipment rental company) had enough with an unprofitable headache of being a dealer(I had had enough, too), and dropped Husqvarna..and saws altogether...several other dealers around tried to recruit me, but I figured that was my cue to get away from that stuff..and I did...still enjoy messing with OLD saws when I have time, though... :)

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

The EPA has ruined so much stuff by trying to make unrealistic emission standards. Chainsaws, cars, trucks, small engines are just some of them. They are too complicated, very hard to work on, and require expensive diagnostic tools. I was very happy when I retired from working on that crap.

[@dyer2cycle]

@@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156 EXACTLY..Me too!

[@jeffstacy748]

Nice collection of saws. I have several old macs myself. My 10-10 is what I use on a regular basis here on the farm. Can't beat them.

[@victoryfirst2878]

I have to get myself a Mcculloch large saw like your 800 machine. Run into saw from time to time. Just love old tools

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

The big McCulloch's are real performers, and a Mac 800 is one of the best to have.

[@victoryfirst2878]

@@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156 Thanks fella.

[@BriantWoodworks]

I completely agree. I love my pioneer FM80 Farmsaw a lot and grab it while my newer stihl MS251c sets close by. There's just something about the feel and sound of the old stuff!

[@reddawg532]

Dear Mr Obsolete , you and I think alike. I no longer have any new saws. Sold them and bought old saws with the money. I use all vintage saws for my firewood business. Some of my favorite homelites are xl925 , super easy, xl12, super 2, 240. I have several Mac 10 10s. A 605 and a few little gear beavers 🦫. A few old craftsman and a 245a poulan. A041 farm boss. I scan Facebook market place everyday looking for more saws. My oldest is a 1960 Clinton that I got running. ❤ love the old school stuff.

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

Nice collection ! The old saws are just so much more reliable than the new ones.

[@garysheren9353]

Wish you were my neighbor someone with so much wisdom just having a cup of coffee learning bits of info love your videos

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

Thanks for the nice comments. Thanks for watching.

[@kenneth6731]

@3:35 I would love to find one of those Homelites. Down here in the south, there is nothing but wrecked out Poulans at every sale. I have gotten lucky and found a 10-10 and a 160S. I could have a 310 up and running but can't find the parts. Thank you for the show and tell, it was a treat seeing all these awesome saws.

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

Thanks for watching and the nice comment !

[@bldlightpainting]

I have run Stihl chainsaws for the last 25 years, but recently bought a professional-grade Husqvarna 550 XP Mark II which I absolutely love in every way. It lives in my Jeep as I work in the Oregon mountains every week clearing roads. I'll let you know in 10 years if it's still running good, but from the history of this very old Swedish company, I'd say it will and then some.

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

Modern saws suffer from lack of long term parts supply. If your saw has the self tuning system, when it fails the parts will be too expensive or not available to make repairs viable. The other thing is that I wouldnt use the Husky oil, as it builds a lot of ash, which can ruin a saw just as easily as carbon. I would recommend running a 40 to 1 mix, as that is what most pro loggers use. 50 to one just isnt enough in hot weather and hard working conditions. Most all loggers in my area use Husky's, and rarely see a Stihl out in the woods so I would say your choice of saw is a good one.

[@johnclarke6647]

The one thing you will note about Husky is they are lighter than a similar cc Stihl saw. I have wanted to get a 562 but cannot find one locally. I love my 455 Rancher and my 372 XP that I built last year. Most of my stable is orange and white but I do like the orange ones. Just can’t tote heavy saws, anymore. I am a service connected disabled veteran, USMC, Vietnam and age has caught up to me.

[@johnclarke6647]

Got the diaphragm replaced in my pm610 and Poulan S25DA. They both work fine and no more smoke, even running a 40:1 mixin both saws.

[@soil-aint-dirt4903]

Thanks for making this video. It was great hearing what you had to say.

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

Thanks for the nice compliment and for watching.

[@benbarnes2819]

Great video. Lot of information. I love it when people tell me that saws to heavy while they fight with their plastic.

[@twocrazyhens]

Been hooked on the old Mccullochs since I found my first PM10-10 in 1998. Bought it from a scrap yard for $2.50. Needed a bar and chain and spark plug. Put it to work immediately to clear trees from 16 acres I had just bought. My dad bought a 10-10A in 1970 and used it almost year round until the late 2000's when he accidentally put straight gas in it and seized it. Surprizingly, When I tore it down for him it had very little wear, just damaged piston and cylinder. Since it had a cast iron liner I could still have it bored oversize and put it back in use. Try to find a new saw now that can be bored oversize!

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

Neat story. The Mac's were built to last, but do need a little oil ! New saws are just throw aways.

[@wisheye1]

I 100% agree with you that PM610 is an awesome saw, bulletproof, tons of power. I just bought two locally for $55, both fully functional, 20” and 16” bars. Of course I also have a 20” timber bear, 3 mac 10-10 saws, two XL-12’s and counting.😎Dreaming of the day I own a PM700 like yours! All dirt cheap and fun to use. I’m also a retire auto tech, in midwest. Thanks for the cool videos!👍🏻

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

Looks like you have the start of a real nice collection. Pro Mac 700's are real powerhouses, one of the best saws McCulloch made. Thanks for watching and a really nice comment.

[@marekwieckowski7038]

I agree Sir, Old is Gold. Nice saw collection.

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

Thanks 👍

[@johnclarke6647]

My pm610 is now fully operational. I put its bar and chain on it, yesterday. I had to wait around to get a McCulloch 20 inch bar for it. I thought it would run my standard 20 inch 3/8,.050,72 chain but it would not - to long. I had to get a 3/8, .050, 70 chain for it. The bar came from a well used PM610, so I had to clean up the rust and repaint it. I put two coats of grey primer, two coats of Black appliance epoxy and finally two coats of high temp flat black. It looks good but it took several days of work to get it looking nice. I will put a 20 Stihl scabbard on it, today, which I will paint MAC yellow. I have not cut anything with it, yet, but I will.

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

Well it looks like your project is nearly done.

[@johnclarke6647]

@@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156 yep, now for a new project.

[@frankserra6709]

Here again too learn and get a great explanation of why I need to find me a vintage American made Mcculloch 610 or 10 10 model. Looking forward to your next video...

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

Why every wood cutter needs a McCulloch chainsaw 610, 10-10. Pro Mac 700 etc. 1. Powerful and fast cutting 2.super durable 3. easy to work on and maintain 3. parts availability still OK 4.American made

[@louieysursa5996]

I started a chainsaw collection myself, I've got a sthil 028,sthil 071,ryobi,solo,and now I'm getting ready to buy a jonesred 52 vintage.i have a small landscape business so I use chainsaws alot.

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

Collecting and using old saws is a fun and useful hobby.

[@micahatticus4257]

I bought a blue homelite xl 101 then a blue super xl. The super xl is heavy but The xl 101 is pretty light actually and looks way cooler than any new saw ever could. Some times I just start one up to listen to it. Vintage chainsaws are awesome because they sound awesome, look awesome, feel awesome, smell awesome and fix awesome. TEAM HOMELITE !!!!!!!!!

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

Those are the same reasons that I collect and use vintage chainsaws.

[@johnnorman7708]

Go Team Homelite. Have more than enough but not all are currently running.😞 Have others too. Lot of projects. And you are right. The new stuff has a hard time being cost effective for anything except professional logging and high production commercial use. The rest of us get along with a lot less expensive older equipment. When you can have a 5:1 ratio of usable saws for a thousand bucks It don't take a genius to figure which program will guarantee you have a saw running.

[@jefflyon2020]

You know your saws my friend, love the collection and your honest eperience with each because your spot on 100% made me laugh took words right outta my mouth a couple times.great video!

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

Thank you for the nice comments and for watching.

[@matthewpiper1421]

I have a poulan 306a that my dad bought new in in 1973 and it still cuts and runs well, i am like you the older saws were built to last.

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

The Beard Poulans like the one you have were very good saws for sure.

[@garysheren9353]

Another interesting video you have a couple of saw i have that I picked up from garage sales .I try to get all the info and stats on them ,they didn't come any opener mantels. And yes with a little bit of work they do fire up. To me I enjoy doing it that the first thing I skin for at grace sale.

[@DaveyBlue32]

Fantastic saw collection! The Big Mac and the P50 are absolutely awesome…well they are all fantastic!!! Not having a carb with screws is just nuts… I love ya man!!! Saw’s today are just junk!!! Vintage rocks!!!

[@jefflyon2020]

Agreed totally, regret losing my promac 700,love the sound of those.

[@BigDmike24]

New saw intake boot leaks the carb keeps adj to compensate. Trashes the piston.

[@ronaldtowns7291]

Nice saws. I wish you would of fired them up. Happy thanksgiving to you and your family. Be kind be safe and have a day.

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

I will get a tree down that is big enough to show the cutting ability of each one. I will do a video of this, but not real soon due to weather. Great idea. Most all of these saws have been used in my videos at one time or another. Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family.

[@chuckkayak68]

Nice collection, couldn't agree more about vintage saw's over modern, I have a couple of pioneer's P 40 - 61. Nice cover in the video, wish IH never stoped making scouts.

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

Thanks for watching.

[@johnclarke6647]

One word about Echo Red Armor two cycle oil. It will really clean up your saw, internally, and it provides extra oil in the engine. However it has a couple of drawbacks. It makes the saw squeaky clean which increases pull over. Plus it just about doubles compression, which really increases compression. I put my ms 251 to bed last fall with Red Armor @50:1. Saturday, I tried to bring it out of storage and could not get it past the first compression. I never did get a full stroke pull on the starter rope. Today, I got tired of screwing with it. I barely got a full one foot pull on the starter rotate 60 degrees. I pulled the shroud and put it in the sun and got the cylinder an muffler over 80 degrees. I was then able to get it going. I let it run for five minutes and dumped the gas, replacing it with Stihl Moto Mix and recranked it. I let it run for five minutes and shut it off. I then waited two hours and recranked it and let it idle for 15 minutes to get any remaining Red Armor out of the saw. I the put it back in the shop until inthe morning to cool down overnight. The 251 has never been an easy saw to start but not a beast, either. The last couple of days it has been a beast. I will put up with Ultras dirtiness instead of something I cannot crank.

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

I have only used the Red Armor oil in just a couple of my saws so far. The POOLAN Wild Thing was the first, and I am using it as a test bed to see if it removes the carbon as advertised. I still need to run a couple more tanks through it before I check out the piston. This saw had the spark arrester screen plugged and a fair amount of carbon and ash on the piston crown, plus some minor scoring at the top of the bore, and just medium compression when I received it. So far the Red Armor has increased the compression, which is about normal now, and the top ring is clean as could be. The only other saws I have used it in are a couple of my Pro Mac 610's. These are not high compression saws, so I have not noticed any change when starting them. The only thing I have noticed so far is that this oil burns cleaner than anything I have used before. So I will be trying the oil in other saws as time goes bye, to see if it has the results that you have had.

[@johnclarke6647]

@@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156 that 251 has always been a pita to start. It has always had more pull over than it should. A 45 cc saw should not be able to kick my butt, but this one does with RA in it if the temp is below 80 degrees. I am going to dump the Power Blend Gold out of it in the morning and refill it with Stihl Moto Mix. I have RA in all of my saws and have had no problems with the other saws, even in cold weather. There is something different about the 251. It has been used the least of just about all my saws, primarily because it is a pita to get going. It ran and started great until I got five tanks on it and then it started getting hard to pull over and has not got any better in the intervening five years. I have used it to cut some big limbs and some moderate size wood but it has no where near the time on it as ms ms 360 or440.

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

It is strange how one saw model can be great, and one that is nearly the same can be so terrible. I am working on a couple of Stihl 034's, and they are really terrible. Cheaply built, have excessive compression, which causes the cheap plastic starter dogs to break on a regular basis, and aren't that great of a performer either. My 031 is much better built, starts easily and even though it is of less displacement, performs as well.@@johnclarke6647

[@davidcharles3313]

My first Mac had a button to push to turn bar and chain to cut standing trees. I don’t know what model it was, but engine always had to remain upright. Probably late 50’s, early 60’s. Have you ever seen one? Thanks for sharing!

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

The McCulloch 5-49 saw was the one that you could turn the bar. It was made from 1949 to 1952. I have only ever sen one. Pretty rare.

[@justinweaver8787]

Love ur saw line up an ur exactly right on the old saws out lasting the new ones I constantly witness it 1st hand hope you have a good week and stay safe. Happy Thanksgiving.

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

Thanks for the nice comments and Happy Thanksgiving to you and family.

[@justinweaver8787]

@@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156 thank you very much sir.

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

your welcome@@justinweaver8787

[@johnclarke6647]

It was pretty. Nice weather, today, so I worked on the 610. It was filthy underneath the covers. I had to Ryan the gas tank out of its cover. I also found a problem. Some idiot had replaced the kill wire and left strands of wire sticking out of the spade plug on the on/off switch and it was touching the cylinder. I shortened the wire and recrimped the wire in the plug connector. I wrapped the end of the connector with electrical tape and bent it upwards, so it cannot contact the cylinder. No wonder it would not run. I got a new muffler on it and cleaned it up pretty good. I am covered in saw dust and old bar oil. The cylinder looks fine. I put new fuel line and filter in the tank. Am getting there but have a few more things to fix if the warm weather holds out.

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

I look forward to your test and opinions on the saw when finished.

[@johnclarke6647]

@@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156 it is starting to look like a saw. Maybe this weekend I will get it running.

[@nhvintage2981]

I have a John Deere 50v it's a good saw but the Macs are best running when you need them .for a small limb saw i love super2 homelite .vintage saws are the smart choice for your wallet too .enjoy your videos every week happy thanksgiving everyone

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

The John Deere Kioritz saws have good power, but not in the league as the Mac's. The Homelite EZ,s are great little saws. Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family.

[@thecollectoronthecorner7061]

I also only use vintage chainsaws. Just today my Grandson Chris and I made a two part video of me mahing a couple fence post with a super Xl12 Homelite and a Lombard. papas chainsaw pt 1 and pt2

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

Collecting and using old chainsaws is a great hobby. Great to share the experience with others, especially family. My next video will be about the vintage saws that I use all the time, and have some footage of each one earning their keep. I will see if I can find your video's. Thanks for watching.

[@thecollectoronthecorner7061]

@@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156 Its about making a couple fence post using a lombard and homelite chainsaws. I got my channel fixed Im now The Collector on the Corner

[@madmodifier]

I feel like you are talking about consumer saws vs pro saws when talking about bad new saws. I agree with you on being leery about auto tune saws. Either way you have a nice collection there.

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

I am talking about the non-pro saws which would be equivilent to the vintage saws I use. The pro saws are not nearly as good as they used to be either. Thanks for watching.

[@ozdatman]

Nice collection of saws. I am waiting on a piston for a PM700 I bought so I'm keen to get it together to see how it goes. I'm on the lookout for a P50/51 at a reasonable price but they are thin on the ground around here. I believe John Deere saws were made by Echo and are rock solid, I have a cs75vl that I can't believe the condition of it for a saw that was built in the 70's. It was great when saws brands had there own style and sounds, and you could recognise what it was without seeing it.

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

The Pro Mac 700,s are real performers as are the bigger Pioneers The John Deere saws were made by Remington, then Kioritz (ECHO), then Efco. The Kioritz saws are nicely made and good saws, but the performance level is below the Mac,s and Pioneers of the same sizes. The clone saws of today have no interest on my part, as I like the older ones that have character !

[@joshplummer5972]

@@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156 my Remington has a seized piston I believe. Taking it apart was like a bull rider's arm the day after. I'm using a special bath I use for the ruff kid's that need to be taken in . My lol misfits deserve the love. It's hard parting ways 😒😣😭😭😂😂

[@tonysajkowski3534]

Good post I agree the older stuff is still good I got old David Bradly swamp saw gear drive

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

I have several David Bradleys, and think that they are one of the best old style brand X saws made. One of my saws is a 3-60 model. I thought it meant 3HP and 60 pounds. Just kidding, it was the first saw Sears sold that could be run in all positions= 360 degree,s. As heavy and bulky as they are, it would be quite a feat to cut with one in those positions !

[@hasumiaditya7759]

Love the yellow 55 cc engine, 3,4 horsepower! I do like 'Dirty chainsaw' 😁 Regards from Indonesia.

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

Thanks for watching!

[@motordiverse1276]

Hey ! I think you have a valid and good point in what you say. I also belive the bearings are more likely not to have a leak....when fitted into those cast iron chassings...which the old ones has. Just a feeling i have...I could be wrong. But what about the Stihl 024 f.ecs. that has the nick name foreverlasting machine...and that too is cast iron product from the eightees. I have several old Jonsered...like the type 450, 455, 525, 510, 535...and most of them is still extremely reliable and all has almost same behavour pattern...and starts afther same amount of drags...on the starter rope. Axcuse my bad english. I half horwegian and swedish :-) The Partner saw you have ther...you say 2,4 HP...but is it not 2,4 kw ! ?...and aproxamatly 3,2 ....HP ...3...HP ? I have several of those too and specially the 540 Partner...is rear and mine is very good and behave excellent and with all its power. No hesitation...and the saw is maybe late 1970...but most likely from the eighteies. I also is very impresed by to old Stihl saws. Easy to work on...in many cases... and very reliable..Have 026 f.ecs. ..almost same as 024. Have 020 and 009 and 010. Oldies but very goodies ! Also the handles...does not bend and getting loose...afther and under use. Many of new ones ...are way to weak this way. Take care and saw well ! :-)

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

I have never seen a chainsaw with cast iron crankcases. All have been either aluminum or elektron, which is a magnesium alloy. The cases on the old saws just have more metal in them, and strengthening ribs for rigidity. Many new saws have plastic crankcases, and that is why they fail. My Partnes S-55 manual says it is 3.4 hp, and it is a real performer. I only have three Stihls, an 075-131cc, 051-89cc and the 031- 49cc They are harder to fix than my other saws, but were good for their era. The biggest problem with old Stihls is that no parts are available from Stihl to repair them. I have never owned a Jonsereds, but those that have them swear by them. I only have two Partners, the S--55-55cc and a P100-100cc. Collecting and using vintage saws is a great hobby ! Thanks for watching.

[@motordiverse1276]

@@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156 I can confirm..also in Sweden...the users swear to them...until no new parts could be found. Replacement og brass oil gear f.ecs. I heard might wrong...I thougt you said 2,4 HP on you Partner 55...there in clip. 3,4 HP sounds correct. There is many good saws and many fasinating solutions and mechanics. The brakes on older Stihl...are almost never burned of... Good patent. Sorry about cast iron...words...It is more like other metal mixtures..and my english not that good. But understand...it is different metal mixtures. Cast Iron is maybe more some cylinders or stoves... Ok. Greate hobby yes...as there is much to look at and be fasinated by and also...saws are very useful...and also...a good feeling...that something can be useful for many many many years...if maintained well and stored well... Take care ! :-)

[@dyer2cycle]

..you may already be aware, but those older yellow John Deere saws are Echos....not the most power, but made in Japan, very well made and durable.. :)

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

The John Deere saws were made by several different suppliers. The early saws were Remington's, the later ones are the Kioritz (Echo) saws and later on were Efco from Italy. The Kiorits-Echos, are well made and had some nice features other saw companies should have copied, and yes the are medium power saws, but will do a lot of work if you are not in a big hurry.

[@dyer2cycle]

@@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156 ..yep, right on..the early(60's-'70's)-unfortunately, I don't know the exact time lines here- John Deere saws were indeed Remingtons..usually John Deere Green with yellow air filter covers and accents..then, sometime in the late '70's-early '80's, Echo started manufacturing saws for John Deere..those were the YELLOW ones with black air filter covers I was talking about...MOST yellow John Deere saws are Echos..there ARE some exceptions..a couple exceptions are the very rare yellow John Deere version of the Homelite Super XL with black covers, from when John Deere first bought out Homelite..late '80's, I suppose..those saws are rare, I have never seen one in person, but they fetch BIG bucks when they come up for sale on Ebay...another exception is the plastic John Deere Timberman from the mid-late '90's..SOME were yellow, most were green(those were the ones sold at Home Depot..then, the last of the John Deere saws, were the Italian made Emak(Efco) that were sold at John Deere dealers..those were pro-quality, durable saws..but hard to get parts for, especially now..I have one of those, a CS-71..they were painted green...same saw as the red/orange Efco 971...then, around 2005-2006?..John Deere discontinued it's hand-held OPE and signed JD dealers up with Stihl...

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

I find it strange that JD didn't put out a lot of Homelite made saws since they owned them, but bought the EFCO's instead. Seems like that would have been a good thing to do as you could buy your lawnmower, garden tractor, snowmobile , farm tractor and equipment,etc., at the same dealer, a one stop shop@@dyer2cycle

[@ruthmegela2781]

I have a old homelite super 2 and a Skil 1629 my grandfather gave me and they still run like champs

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

Nice saws, and nice to keep them in the family.

[@jakemiller7720]

I love that you have a super ez in there

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

I have had several EZ,s over the years and they gave excellent service. The saw in the video was an unusual one, and I traded it to Smitty, who is an avid Homelite collector, and has a youtube channel (Smitty,s Chainsaws and Firewood) It is in good hands, and he should have a video of it at some point. I use my McCulloch Mini Mac,s as a replacement. I prefer my Mini Mac,s as they are lighter and more powerful, but the EZ,s earned their keep for years.

[@mikedaugharty5544]

love them vintage macs!!got a harem of them!!

[@bombadeer8231]

My macs are still running. 7-10a and two timber bears. Got the 7-10a for free and bought the timber bears new. All back in the early 70’s. My ms660 cost me a grand on eBay and I’m about to put the third piston in it.

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

None of my Mac"s or Pioneers have ever needed major repairs, . The late model Husky"s and Stihls I have owned have all had top end failures or worse.

[@bombadeer8231]

My 7-10a carbon tracked it’s coil so using the old coil’s frame I fitted an electronic ignition coil. The timber bears 🐻 have never given me a problem. 👍🤞

[@joshplummer5972]

Some of the best, and we share same ownership of good taste. Amen

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

These saws are the ones that just have had the right stuff, power and reliability. The newer saws I have owned, just didnt cut it. They just wore out and in most cases parts were either too expensive or not available to fix them. Vintage is best !

[@jensenwilliam5434]

Nice saws!

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

Thanks for the nice comment. We really like and use our old saws.

[@Smittyschainsaws]

That Homelite you just showed has been one that I just cannot find around here at all. I have been looking for years. If you ever wish to sell or trade just let me know. It is one of my unicorn saws.

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

I would be interested in a trade. The saw in the video is a Super EZ model #10505A and the serial # is 201340102. I also have a Homelite 150 automatic that I would include for a good clean running Super XL 58cc in blue and white. The EZ is in excellent condition except the carb has gone bad. I have a replacemt one coming. The 150 is a nice clean saw but has no spark. Since it is a blue one , it probably has points that need to be serviced. Both saws have excellent bars and nearly new chains. The 150 has a photo copy of the manual.Both have super compression. On my next video, at the end I will post a picture of the two saws.

[@budgillett9627]

Smitty, Facebook Marketplace Topeka Kansas has a Homelite Super EZ which appears very clean for $75. Also Craig’s List KC MO occasionally has them listed.

[@Smittyschainsaws]

@@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156 With the 58cc I believe you are looking for the auto oil with manual oil override version of the saw. The 54cc would be the original manual oil only XL-12. I do have a blue and white version of the 58cc auto oiling saw. I have two of them actually but only one is currently a good running saw. The starter cover is missing a lot of the paint but I can install a much cleaner looking starter cover from a saw of the same look and year. It still has most of the paint on it. I am currently repairing a simple oil leak but otherwise the saw runs flawless. If you let it sit with oil the oil will slowly leak out. I have to reseal a gasket. Do you have a bar length that you would prefer? I currently have a hard nose installed but I think it is an 18" bar. I do have some 20" bars but they do not look as good. Would you prefer hard nose or sprocket nose? I do not have any good 24" bars that I could install. I can take care of any repairs needed on the saws you have. My saw was built in Port Chester NY serial number 32051234 1973 Tuesday July 24th 1234th saw built that day Your saw was built on assembly line 2 of 1980 Tuesday May 13th 102nd saw built that day

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

If you are happy with the offer, I will get the saws boxed up ready to ship. I have a 54cc xl12 with the manual oiling already, so that is why I would like the 58cc Blue auto oiling saw for the collection. As far as the bar goes, put on one that you have the most of, and I dont need a chain, as I will make a new one for it. My next video will be about the XL 12 that I just acqired. Let me know your shipping address. @@Smittyschainsaws

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

Will do and no hurry on the saw.@@Smittyschainsaws

[@billgreene7456]

Old saws… if you enjoy and can work on and can get parts make a LOT of sense. They were made to last and were a bit heavy but… the simplicity was there and the performance definitely. My 1987 wood boss and old 381 still cut and handle anything. My clone ms250 45cc saw is a project but with some own parts like a walbro carb and archer bar and chain is useful. Enjoy your practical vids!

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

Thanks for watching

[@llickmogan]

I just picked up a 610 mac

[@johnclarke6647]

You would probably know the answer to this. When my dad died in 1973 he had two chainsaws and I got both of them. One was an Homelite Zip, the old blue pos. It came with an 16 inch round nose bar, I. The other saw I don’t remember a lot about because it was stolen. The MAC was a full metal saw. I do remember the air filter cover was black. It was contemporary with the Zip, but it had an 18 inch bar on it. It was a bigger saw than the Zip. The air filter cover was black and had a pancake filter and did not run the full length of the top of the saw. My old man was cheap, so it was probably just good enough to do farm work with. I never could get it to run. It would pop, occasionally. What model does it sound like?

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

I would guess it would be a Mac 250 or one of that series. McCulloch decided to make their own carburetor, and it didnt work very well. Most saws that were used on a regular basis changed the carb to a Tillotson.

[@johnclarke6647]

I agree with you 100%. I have a couple of old saws and a couple of old hedge trimmers. I love my old saws and professional saws. I have some f the new ones, too, but most of my saws are 30 years old in their design or production. My oldest is my Poulan S25DA, that I bought new in ‘85. It still runs great and will cut with any other 40cc class saw. And is a top handle saw. I wish I still had my fathers MAC 250 but someone stole it from me close to 40 years ago. I used to own a bevy of old Shreveport Poulans, all metal saws with just a glimmer of plastic parts and all had roller bearing cranks. I did run my fathers old Homelite Zip for years but finally traded it off in the mid 1980’s on anew Poulan. It was heavy but it started every time I wanted it to. Wish I had kept it.

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

The old equipment was built to last, and with good maintenence, are still on the job.

[@johnclarke6647]

@@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156 I agree 100%. The only problem with them was their weight. That was the main reason I got rid of my Zip. I noticed you do not like clamshell saws. I have several and have not had a lick of problems with them. I put quite a few of them in storage condition, yesterday, for the winter. What I do not like is computer controlled saws. They are a PITA and offer no real benefits over my standard Pro saws. Anything they offer is just marketing hype.

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

I dont like clamshell saws for several reasons 1. not durable 2 dont like the feel and balance 3 hard to work on and require special tools 4 expensive to buy 4 stupid parts prices@@johnclarke6647

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

I should clarify the clamshell saw comment. It is reference to Stihl,s and Husky,s. If I were to buy a new saw, it would be an Echo, as other Echo equipment I have owned was much better and lasted a long time.@@johnclarke6647

[@johnclarke6647]

@@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156 a saw is durable according to how you use it and maintain it. Balance and feel is up to the specific saw. I like pro saws but even some of them are nose heavy. I put a bar on the saw that makes it balance, however putting a longer bar on it can really make it nose heavy. I have 20 inch bars on most of my big saws, for that specific reason. Putting a 36 inch bar on my MS 660 makes it very nose heavy so I only put it on for specific jobs. Normally it has a 20 inch bar. I keep my 28 and 36 inch bars hanging up on the shop wall. Nothing made, today, is as durable and simple as things made 50 years ago, but neither are they as heavy, either. I grew up in the days of the 327 and 283 Chevrolets and I now drive a Dohc CRV Honda, but it does get close to 40 MPG on the highway. I will bet mechanics these days don’t even know what a dwell meter or timing light is - they use computers, instead. I still have both of mine.

[@swere1240]

not all the new saws have the auto tune or mtronic carbs they normally have a model that has a idle a high and a low jet screw. and one your right about the homeowner/farm and ranch saws they make them hard to work on but once you get into the pro saws they normally have magnesium crank cases and are faily easy to change out pistons and what not. and the new saws anti vibration is far better compared to the old ones which alot of the times vibrate the heck out of your hands. also they have alot more rpms compared to the old ones. that being said i love vintage chainsaws and they are alot of the times much better build quality but some of the new saws today are fantastic machines if you pay for a pro saw. i have a jonsered 70e from the late 70's that is a great chainsaw. i also have a stihl ms461 and its no comparison really on which is better.

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

The self tuning saws havent worked out very well in the commercial market, and that is why there are models that still have adjustable carbs. For me, buying a modern pro grade saw doesnt make sense, mainly because of the high price, and they also require special tools to work on them. My old saws are easy to work on in most cases, and rarely need any special tools to fix them. or any major repairs. I cut about 15 cords of wood each year for firewood and forest management. The McCulloch's that have anti vibe are real smooth running, and I can cut for hours with no problem. If I am using a saw like an XL 12, that doesnt have anti vibe, I just wear fellers gloves, which has a cushion in the fabric. If I had a new saw, I wouldnt be MR. OBSOLETE ! The new saws can run up to 14 grand, but when they are in a hard cut, the engine speed drops to around 9 grand, which is the same speed my vintage torquers run when in a hard cut, so I see no advantage in having one again. Take a look at my video (Mr. Obsolete Saves The Railroad) and you can see my old Stihl 051 cutting about 8500 and cuts just about as fast as a new saw in big wood, and I only have about $100 bucks in it. Tough to beat !

[@swere1240]

i agree with everything you say and i wasnt trying to give you a hard time or anything if thats what you thought i was just trying to point out that not all of the new saws are bad they just cost alot of money. for my jonsered the only thing that is a pain about it is finding parts for it. but keep up the videos man i enjoy them and im glad you keep the old saws alive and run them how there sposed to be ran.

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

I didn't think you were giving me a hard time about my comments, just pointing out that all saws have their good and bad features. The new home owner/ farm saws are generally not very well thought of according to the comments that I get, and also from personal experience. I have never purchased a modern pro grade saw, as I don't need one and the cost is prohibitive, and would never own one with the self tuning feature..@@swere1240

[@Syncop8rNZ]

Nice chainsaws Mr Obsolete! But we need to HEAR them. ;-)

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

All of these saws except the Homelite, have been in my previous videos. Take a look and see these fine old saws still earning their keep!

[@gerryfinch2014]

Still have a Stihl from 1980

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

Looks like you still have a Stihl saw from 1980, because it was from an era when they still made good saws !

[@garymcmullin2292]

I am in your corner, I see a few smart a... comments about how much a mistake it is to desire vintage. I have a collection of Jonsered 49sp's, Homelite super XL's...several each and also a couple of Jonsered 2050's, a jonsered 910E and a couple of Jonsered 520sp's. The difference in design and build quality of the older saws..49 jonsereds and the Homelites is so obvious it is like night and day difference to modern saws. Looks to me like saw builds started going bonkers in the 80's, the 520sp is proof enough of that for me. Oddly the Jon2050 is a good build and will take hard use. A few simple tools is all it takes to work on the oldies and they stay in tune really well. I have good report for the Jon910E, it is a 1981 I bought new and milled lumber with it. The Jon 2050 is a 1994 and for a saw maligned by many for its clam shell design and abundant plastic I have nothing but praise for that saw....has cut mountains of firewood and NO problems. These "relatively newer Jons of the 80's and early 90's I mentioned are the time honored tried and proven designs common to the older vintage, that is the key to their success for me. THe only problem with vintage is the shrinking availability of parts. By the way...one brand of saw is still of the "old school" design, the Echos fill that bill. I just got a new (oh shocking right??) cs680 and it is easy to work on, design and build quality just like the old vintage saws. And sure enough, when you read around you find a lot of bad comments about how slow, under performing this saw is. Nope....ain't so folks. I swear it seems these days almost everybody thinks they have to have the baddest hot rod saw. The thing about a power saw is....any of them is a damn sight better than you being on the end of single or two man crosscut....give that a try for day and you'll find new appreciation for any power saw.

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

Your experience with the Jonsereds mirrors my experience with McCulloch's, long lasting great performers that have stood the test of time. I have never had a Jonsered saw, as they were not sold in my area, but like so many of the good saws, they have disappeared. Parts availability is the achilles heel of using old saws, but as you have found, the newer saws just are not that good. If I were in the position that I needed to buy a new saw, it would be an ECHO, for the same reasons that you lay out. The typical Stihl and Husky homeowner saws have plastic crankcases, the Echo is all metal. The ECHO equipment I have used over the years has been string trimmers, and they have been smooth, tough and durable. I inherited a nearly new top of the line Stihl string trimmer, and it is easy starting and powerful, but vibrates so bad that it can only be used for about 15 minutes before your hands go numb. Looking at youtube video's, this is normal. I did a complete teardown to find any loose or damaged parts, and found none. It is just a piece of poop. So all my old saws are still on the job, and the newer ones I mistakenly bought to replace them, all failed miserably. They all got recycled, and are probably part of a water pump on a Hyundai etc.

[@zenjon7892]

I want to collect chainsaws that were used in movies. I want to start with a Poulan 306a, and get a Homelite XL-12

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

The XL 12's are easy to find, but the Poulan's are a bit scarce.I think that one of the Chevy Chase movies had a McCulloch Pro Mac 610 in it. Something else that is easy to find.

[@zenjon7892]

@@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156 Well... According to eBay, the 306a is around $100 more than the XL12. Both more than I can spend right now, unfortunately. My grandpa had an old McC in the basement of their house that I didn't think about getting... Until lately... Unfortunately

[@pnwRC.]

I believe older equipment IS the way to go! They just DON'T make em like they use to!

[@kimstocks4485]

what state do you live in? thx... nice saws by the way, i like the older saws better also. i rebuilt a 1994 f250, i like older trucks too. i just bought a low hour mcculloch 1-53. looking forward to running it when it gets here...

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

I only admit to living in the PNW. Old vehicles and chainsaws are both excellent hobbies.

[@Jarith_jenkins]

I primarily own homelite chainsaws and always will amd I use em around the house a super 2, 330 and the newest one is a homelite 250 1991 and they have been nothing but reliable the 330 starts in a couple of pulls even in negative temperatures

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

The older Homelites were really good, long lasting saws. I had a 330 a long time ago that had a real weird glitch. I would warm it up, then climb up a tree to do some in tree work, and if I was more than 30 feet up, the saw would not start. When I came down out of the tree, it would start on the first pull every time, go back up the tree, no start. I guess it was allergic to heights. As long as I stayed out of the trees, it performed fine, and for many years as well.

[@harveybrooks1460]

I only owned saws from early 2000s. All had chain locks. Is there a way to actually install a chain lock on some old ones?

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

There is no way to retrofit older saws with a chain brake. The old saws had a lot of different clutch styles and bar mounts that leave no room for one. If an old saws clutch is in good operating condition and the saw is tuned properly, it will idle without the chain moving..

[@mikewasowski1411]

Is that John Deere just an Echo painted yellow? Looks very similar

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

It is. The earliest John Deere chainsaws were Remingtons, then Kioritz (ECHO), then EFCO, which were from Italy.

[@robertorochamartinsrocha7041]

Cool. Thanks

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

Thanks for watching!

[@robertorochamartinsrocha7041]

@@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156 They are the really chainsaws... you are welcome.

[@Paulkellar]

I like this channel

[@tfergg3999]

My guess is because obsolete has fine tasted in saws I own a poulan 245a and a 4200 and running them through logs is like a trip through time

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

Running old saws is a fun and rewarding hobby, as you get to play with vintage equipment, and get your wood cut too ! A win-win for sure.

[@jamesrichardson559]

Check the internet for '2020 Christmas Vacation chainsaw ornament' It is Clark Griswold holding a McCulloch 610

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

will do

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

found one- thanks for the tip

[@petermccuskey1832]

Totally agree

[@kennyscott1089]

You’ve Converted me.

[@tweek857]

Those "John Deere" saws are just echos branded as JD.i picked one up at an estate sale for $10 poured some gas and oil in it and it fired up. Biggest saw I own is a homelite 1050 110cc engine can run up to a 6' bar

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

The early John Deere chainsaws were Remingtons, then the Kioritz-Echo,s and then Italian Efco,s The big saw I have is a Stihl 075 of 111cc,s and runs a 60" bar. Would be interesting to have a side by side comparison. The Stihl 075 weighs 46 1/2 pounds ready to cut, how much does your Homelite weigh in comparison? Check out my older video (Super Power Kindling Cutter Chainsaw) to see it in action. Saw collecting is a great hobby ! Thanks for watching.

[@fernandorodriguezvea5427]

Es muy fácil,las usa antiguas por dos motivos tienen tanta potencia como las motosierras nuevas y te ahorras mucho dinero al comprar motosierras de segunda mano.

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

Si !

[@naturundhund]

Nice Chainsaw s

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

Thats why we use them !

[@naturundhund]

@@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156 Das ist gut.😎

[@johnclarke6647]

Sorry, I was wrong about Red Armor. My problems with the ms 251 were not the fault of Red Armor but caused by running Stihl Ultra init for five years. That filthy crap had loaded the combustion chamber and the top of the piston with fine grained carbon. I used Stihl carbon to remove it and now it cranks and runs great. One thing I have found out about JASO FD certified oils, like Red Armor, is - to get the FD certification they must run at 50:1 in any saw, regardless of what the manufacturer states is their correct gas to oil ratio. I am running RedArmor 50:1 in my PM 610.

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

I made the same mistake, as when I bought new Husky's and Stihl's to replace my McCulloch 610's, I used the recommended factory oils, at the 50-1 ratio, and the saws just wore out. My McCulloch's always ran with Bardahl VBA oil, and I would vary the mix ratio according to temperature and work load. I would use anywhere from 20-1 to 40-1. All of em have never been de-carboned, as that oil doesn't build carbon, and have never had to rebuild any of them either. They are all on the job still. They all get used every month all year long, most over 40 years. I am down to my last 9 cans, and when used up I will run the Red Armor.I will experiment with it to see what ratio mix I will use in them, but always at least 40 to1.

[@johnclarke6647]

@@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156 I can understand that. My MAC’s are not worn out and old cylinders man need a different oil. My 610 runs fine with 50:1 and my 32-16 also runs fine with 50:1. My Poulan S25DA also runs fine with 50:1. I am running Ech Power Blend Gold, which is a JASO FD certified oil, just like Red Armor. All my Stihl and Husky saws are all running 50:1 FD oil. I am going to clean the cylinders on all saws that ran Stihl Ultra for a considerable time, like my ms 660, 440 and 360. Stihl Ultra is good oil if you run the saw wide open all the time but I do not do that.

[@johnclarke6647]

@@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156 I ran Seafoam through both saws, today, just to make sure I got any remaining loose carbon out of the saws. It is hot here, over 90 the past two days.

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

I've never used Sea Foam, but a lot of people swear by it. I just inherited a couple of POOLAN WOOD SHARK's, and they have a fair amount of carbon in them. If they are savable, I will try some Sea Foam in them to see how well it works.@@johnclarke6647

[@johnclarke6647]

@@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156 try the Stihl Decarbon. Just remove plug, put piston near TDC and fill up combustion chamber with the Stihl product. I screwed in the plug just to keep it from running out. Let sit in combustion chamber for eight hours. I put mine in direct sunlight, so they would warm up. I topped them off every few hours. At the end of eight hours I dumped them in my oil drain pan. I then pulled the saw over about ten times. Some people rinse the cylinder out but I did not. Some of the Decarbon will get past the rings and end up in the crankcase. I tried to crank them but I could not get them going, so I just reassembled them and put them in the shop to dry out. The next day I cranked the 251 and the 241 the following day. They both ran great. They are both running Red Armor, now, and not that filthy Stihl Ultra. The Decarbon is relatively inexpensive. I bought a bottle several years ago but don’t remember what I paid for it. It contains enough to do lots of saws.

[@tedneitzel]

I've got old saws when I grab my new stihl I always ask myself why do you use those old saws and work twice as hard and slow? Because I can!!

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

Running old saws is what I do. I have had modern saws, but I didn't like them much, and they wore out real quickly. I just do firewood and property management with my old saws, and they do a great job for me. Another reason I use old saws is they are easy to work on, are super reliable in most cases, and I collected most of my saws a long time ago, when they weren't collectible, and have little invested in them. An example--McCulloch pro Mac 700, saw was $12 with no bar or chain. I bought a new old stock 28" bar and chain, new fuel line, carb kit, plug, air filter and fuel filter, and have a total investment of $125. A new pro saw today would be around $1400, so I saved $1275. Performance wise, my old saw will match the performance of the new ones. Like you saw Because I Can ! Thanks for watching. Take a look at one of my older video's on the Pro Mac 700.

[@tedneitzel]

@@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156 you bet I get it! All my saws except one are 1985 or older. I only have the new stihl because my daughter got it for me. I usually use my 031av stihl the most. I had to file points and of course do timing this year but of course now runs like new! My xl12 has a new issue with the case I believe so I need a parts xl12 to fix it. Love my old saws!

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

Vintage is best !

[@willp942]

What fuel/oil ratio do you run in these old saws? Some want up to a 10:1 mix, but oil quality from the 70's doesn't compare to today's. Does that make a difference?

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

The fuel ratio I use depends on the saw. Saws that used 16:1, I run 20:1. Saws that used a 40:1 mix, I run at 32:1 others I run at 24:1. The oil I use isnt available anymore, but I have a stash of it still. Always use partial synthetic with a mineral base in older saws. Do not use full synthetic oils. A couple of oils I would use are Golden Spectro (very expensive) or Yamalube. These are very similar to the oil I use in my old saws, and use them in all my other 2 stroke applications.

[@willp942]

@@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156 Thanks! What is it about a full synthetic that doesn't agree with older saws? I appreciate the help!

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

Synthetic oil molecules are all the same size. Old saws have bigger clearances than modern saws, and they usually have some wear on the bore or piston. Mineral oil has molecules of all different sizes, that stay in the low spots, and they have the synthetic molecules mixed in, so you have lubrication with both the mineral and synthetic oils. With wide tolerances, the synthetic oil blows past the rings and piston, causing a seizure ,from lack of lubrication.. The number two failure on new saws is top end failure. You can get a cold seizure from running the saw too fast when cold, never happen in an old saw with wider tolerances.I am tempted to do a video on oils at some time.@@willp942

[@willp942]

@@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156 Great explanation! I'd be interested in seeing that video!

[@donaldatkinson7937]

@@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156 what do you think about stihl oil? I have had several chainsaws, mostly stihls and huskys, I bought a little ms 250 about ten years ago have never used anything but sthil synthetic,saw has cut mabe 70 pick up loads of wood and still runs pretty decent, does cut off sometimes now when I'm not giving it gas, think it might need a carburetor kit.

[@johnclarke6647]

I cranked up my 610, today. I topped off the gas tank with 50:1, which gives me somewhere around 32:1 in the tank. I will transition to 40:1 the next time I run it. It started pretty easily. I still have not got a bar for it. I let it idle for 20 minutes. I ran and accelerated good. It restarted with one pull. Oiled fine. I should have a bar and chain on it this week 3/8, 050, whatever.

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

Looks like you will have it in the wood soon. What oil are you using?

[@johnclarke6647]

@@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156 echo Red Armor at 50:1. Run some of that Poo gas you have in your Macs

[@johnclarke6647]

@@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156 last year I pulled the cylinder from my ms 460 to check the cylinder after ten tanks of Red Armor. The piston slobbered with red armor and the rod and bearings had a nice coat of Red Armor. Red Armor stays in the engine instead of puking out the muffler. That is why I do not fear running my 50:1 mix in the 610. JASO FD certified oils have much better lubrication than other two cycle oils. I pulled the spark plug out of my ms 360 to see how it looked after a tank of Red Armor. The insulator was a beautiful chocolate brown, unlike the dark blackish color it had with Stihl Ultra. Echo Red Armor makes all other oils obsolete. I run it in everything I own at 50:1 with PNE gas.

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

The Red Armor oil is pretty impressive in my tests so far, and will eventually be my oil of choice, after I use the last of my old Bardahl up. It burns cleaner than any other oil I have used in my 2 strokes. @@johnclarke6647

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

I have, saws run great, almost no smoke, so far I am very impressed with the oil.

[@goosecreeksouth9327]

I agree 100%

[@brianmcintee6647]

i just picked up a super xl automatic for free from a house that was being torn down sitting in the basement

[@grasimosalexis6051]

Love them but still and husqvarna are way too better than that

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

You are the only person who has said that the Stihls and Husky's are better than the old saws. Everyone else that has commented that how poor the new saws are, and personally the newer ones I have owned just wore out in short order. I am not talking about commecial saws, just the farm and home owner saws like I use. I know of no one who has been useing the same Stihl or Husky for over 40 years with no major repairs. My McCullochs have never needed any major repairs in over 40 years of use. I use them every month, all year long. It is nearly impossible to find parts for old Stihls and husky's . I know this for a fact, as I am trying to find a starter cup for A Stihl 051 with no luck, yet I can find starter parts for my Mac's easily and cheaply, even though McCulloch has been out of business since 1999. If you dont have an old saw, I would suggest getting one and find out how good they are.

[@skipmole612]

Vintage saws are heavy, lack chain brakes, often worn out, parts are hard to find, great for fun but not for regular use now. You are much better advised to find a pro saw from the 1990's which have modern characteristics, are still strongly built, parts available and cheap and so on. If anything they are simpler to work on and repair. Nostalgia is nice, but thats all. Steam engines and solid fuel ranges are obsolete for a reason, same with saws.

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

What you are saying is the exact opposite of my experiences. All the 90's saws I have had simply wore out, parts were not readily available, if they were they were way too expensive, and also required special tools to work on them. Many of my old saws have been on the job for over 40 years, are easy to work on in most cases, and have never needed major repairs. My saws are used all year long, and have required just basic maintenence. You are right about one thing though, they are heavier, but that is mainly because they are built better. My saws are used as farm saws, not professionally, and so they are the right choice for me. Being a master mechanic, I can do all the necessary work myself. Also, since I have worked on lots of modern saws for customers, they are not easy to work on like you say. If I had modern saws on my channel, no one would watch ! Watch my next video, as I talk about this exact situation. So I will leave you with this, use what works best for you, and dont make judgements for others.

[@skipmole612]

@@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156 I'm simply giving others the benefit of my experience and hopefully helping them not get stitched up with an old nail. I stand by my views that a Husky 2 or 3 hundred series, or the Stihl 026 036 044 type saws were excellent. If as you say you were a 'master mechanic' you would have no problem overhauling one of these saws. Definitely do not encourage the use of saws without a chain brake. You do what you want yourself, but my advice to others is not to bother with that old junk.

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

Most people that collect old chainsaws dont use them like me. If they do a lot of wood work, they usually have a newer saw. It is interesting though that I receive quite a few comment how they like the old saws better. To each his own. As a master mechanic, I can appreciate good engineering compared to just slopping out overcomplicated stuff like so many saws today. Simplicity is the best form of engineering. I could do a complete overhaul of say a McCulloch Pro Mac 610 in 1/3 the time to do the same on a newer Husky or Stihl, and would require no special tools, and only a small amount of parts as well. Like my title say (Why I Use Nothing But Vintage Chainsaws), that doesnt mean everyone should use them. Most collectors are hobbyists and appreciate vintage equipment for what it is. I am currently working on a couple of 036's for a friend, and they are fairly straight forward, but still a lot more complicated to work on than most of my old saws.@@skipmole612

[@reapermansoldholdenmechani8836]

Up until recently, I only ever had cheapie chinese junk saws. I now have an old 99cc McCulloch Super 550, which runs a 36" bar and full chisel chain. Cuts incredibly well and have never looked back....

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

Great old saw. With proper maintainence will run forever. Dont use full synthetic oils, use partial synthetic with a mineral base.

[@reapermansoldholdenmechani8836]

@@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156 Yes, I'm quite amazed with it and how well it cuts. And thankyou for the advice. Always appreciated. :)

[@jaydee2620]

Because they have no EPA regulations holding him back

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

These old saws are just better than the new ones !

[@ryanslogging7069]

lol well said new saws are cheap made an junk mostly I run 70s an 80 s an I get the wood out that way without taken a loan out to get a new saw like today

[@scrapeteel1999]

I won't own any of the Tupperware plastic sh*t show garbage they make today. I have a 1972 SL-11 Stihl runs everytime I need it to."Pun intended" 19 inch SABRE Bar and chain Gun metal steel will outlast anything produced today and be working long after these garbage planned Obsolescence saws are recycled.Thank you so much for this display. I have a Mall 12,and a model 99 2 man Mac being restored as I type this😁

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

It really is annoying that the new saws are just so cheaply made and don't last. You have some excellent vintage saws there !

[@MrRmh3481]

Like you Im not interested in spending $1000 for a saw that every couple years needs a new computer tune. I remember when the Husky 575 came out, it was a powerful saw but no one could keep it running. You were supposed to carry a 9 volt battery around to reset it...

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

It is terrible that the EPA and others have made such a mess out of the power equipment industries. New saws with the self tuning features are not economically repairable in most cases when something fails, and that is a very common thing, so you have to go buy another overpriced piece of crapola !

[@kraftzion]

That Pioneer doesn't go with the rest of your collection. I think you need to sell it to me:)

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

The small family of Pioneer saws I have, would be lonely if I parted with one of the members, so it would be best to keep it in the family.

[@thebloopsound4241]

Don't piss him off..

[@verplanckekriss]

Sorry to say but a modern 550xp MK2 is more powerful (4hp) compared to your partner S55 (3.4hp) and will last a long time if your treat it right with the proper care. Also better anti vibe and less weight. Just wanted to comment on the fact that modern (professional) chainsaws are too built to last.

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

Your modern saw is more powerful, but the Partner S-55 is a home owner/farm saw, not a pro model. Comparing a Husky of the same time the Partner was built, the Partner was a much better saw. Better engineered, easier to work on etc. I don't own modern saws, but I bet that your 550 XP cost a whole lot more than the $25 I paid for the Partner ! The best thing is to use what you have, and use what you like. Vintage is for me.

[@nguyenngocducha]

old engines were built to last, newer ones are for profits

[@proudpatriot9062]

OLDER EQUIPMENT WAS BUILT RIGHT. ...NOW A DAYS IT'S CHEAPLY MADE ..BY DESIGN. .. ! WHY ?? $$$$ IS WHY.!

[@billgreene7456]

Please fire them up!!

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

All of these saws have been used in my videos except the Homelite, so I would suggest checking out some of them. Thanks for watching.

[@Aaron_A_Lynch]

New subscriber...love vintage saws as well...I'm a pioneer guy..got a p40 and a farmsaw..got a little homelite super 2..fun stuff.., ,👍🏻🤙🏻🪓🤘🏻

[@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156]

Thanks for subscribing. I can see you have have good taste as to the saws you are collecting !

[@Aaron_A_Lynch]

@@mrobsoletesvintagehomestea9156 your welcome..and thank you...I got a little of everything..I love them all🤙🏻👍🏻🤘🏻💪🪓