Vintage RUBBER Bowling Ball (1968) VS Vintage REACTIVE Bowling Ball (1991)

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This is not a storm Brunswick nor hammer motiv ball review bowling ball video

[@The_RXer]

Just a demonstration of how back in the day a 175 ave got you on the Classic Leagues and a 180 + got you competitive in most scratch tournaments. 600 series actually meant something and a 700 series was a " life goal " ... I miss those numbers ... But time changes everything .

[@billspruce8368]

100% correct... at 16 years old in 1983 I bowled a 711 set with an LT48 on lanes oiled with a spray gun... one of only three 700 sets in the entire 20-lane house for the whole season at a time when some nights had double shifts. By '96 when they had a lane machine and I was in college, I had 33 700's between 2-leagues for a season. There's no better indicator that says bowing is a joke... drop it, spin it, top it... doesn't matter... everybody scores.

[@pencilman32]

Agree now 10 year olds throw 300 back in the day it was rare and a real accomplishment to throw 300

[@frankod100]

My father was a pro in 1968 and got a 300 in 69 in league...solid gold ring. Ruby and diamond ... and then it was every time you threw 300..or 800.. back until about 76.....a rarity to say the least!

[@nordattack]

I remember watching a match in 1977 and on the show they presented the odds of shooting a 300 game: Average League Bowler: 420,000 to 1, Pro: 6000 to 1.

[@joeyrulz86]

gotta remember the black diamond was made for wood lanes w barely any oil on them. Its hard to comprehend the difference on todays lanes due to the volume of oil put out and how the lanes are different but you can def tell the difference w the ball in general. I have an ebonite black beauty rubber ball and i use to use it for spares. Its amazing how the industry has changed. I would love to go to the holler house and use it on their lanes.

[@elr2141979]

You also have to keep in mind that the inner cores of these bowling balls have a lot to do with how the ball motion is down lane. A lot of the earlier bowling balls don't have the same weight blocks as the reactive balls do.

[@mountbara]

@@elr2141979 By a lot of them not having a shaped weight core, you mean none.

[@steveboguslawski114]

Huge difference in technology between those two balls. Black Diamond: hard rubber shell and pancake weight block. The shell is heavier than the core. I've never seen an RG measurement for an old rubber ball, but it would certainly be higher than a White Dot. Maybe as high as 2.8 or so? Back in the late 1970s I carried a Roto Silver Streak, which was a Black Diamond labeled for Roto. It was a ball for dry lanes, and back then bowling was bigger and it was common to have two shifts of leagues a night. For the 9:30PM league a rock like this came in handy. Compared to a vintage White Dot it had a different shape downlane, with a tendency to bite early in the track (which you noticed) even though the surface measured harder, but lots of skid and energy retention when you got deeper. Rubber tracked up quick too, which is why you saw ball polishing machines in bowling centers. It wasn't just to make them pretty.

[@lo1bo2]

The Black Diamond finally had enough and went after you at the end.

[@edwardranno7119]

I had a black diamond then went to a clolumbia yellow dot,I won a ton of amateur tournaments with my yellow dot!!!

[@Accumulator1]

Just depends on the way it's drilled and the lane conditions. The rubber ball could easily outperform.

[@johnnyfish8273]

I still throw my dads old 1968 AMF 3 dot. As a lefty, i found the new balls hook waaaay too much for me. I went back to the old ball about 20 years ago, and have shot 7 300's with it. I cant dispute that the new balls have more reaction, but the old ball still does the trick. Good video!!

[@donaldcummings8407]

I remember Jack Nicklaus saying in a book he wrote once that because of the current equipment(at the time he wrote the book) all golfers were hitting their shots straighter than they should, bowling got the same way..The reactive balls came out and everybody bowled higher scores because of it, they weren't necessarily better bowlers, the balls were just better. Then all those fancy sport shot patterns came out to equalize things again

[@mtrithart]

Reactive Ball and THS = Easy Bowling and High Scores.

[@CurdBros]

No one on youtube does more interesting bowling content. Love it. Keep it up!

[@judweber3338]

Last year I got beat by 70 pins in a title match by a guy who was throwing a rubber ball.

[@nickwilkerson4950]

Props to you looks like you been working hard converting over to two-handed.

[@jimk9290]

I bowled a 300/801 with a rubber ball, which was a Brunswick LT-48. Also had a 299 and several other high scores. Back then, the lanes had a lot of friction, and I still played as far outside as I could be comfortable, to find dry boards.

[@earljohnson6217]

Nice set 279/704 was my best set with the LT48 and that was the 2nd best set for the year in my home house.

[@Glatzel132]

Thanks for the overlay! Finally! ❤Love these so much, since it‘s really hard to compare multiple shots one after another.

[@billem3085]

LOL. I use a 1950s rubber ball one hander no thumb and love it. it has a unique shape when you master it.

[@flippperboy]

You bringing these balls to the regional today. The motion circles for the ball path is cool! Thanks

[@nordattack]

That Lily trip at 7:40 made the whole video worth it. Obviously you have not used rubber much. 😂 Rubber requires a certain touch and method and when you understand how to use it on House it can be lights out. In my league a bowler only uses a 1968 rubber ball and shot his first 300 about a month ago. I used my rubber ball in the same league and had the front 8. Makes you respect the bowlers of old and their amazing scoring abilities with a simple cork filled rubber ball.

[@jenniferboone-sz1lo]

Black diamond was previously owned by a mail man.

[@turtlejeremy6980]

One of the bowling alleys in a town (probably like 20k people) near me has a bunch of rubber balls. All of their house balls are old rubber ones with the name engraved on them

[@BKGclan4LIFE]

I am newer to your channel this year and I love your videos. I was thinking it would be cool to try and replicate different pba pros bowling styles for a video. Considering there are so many unique styles such as Jakob Butturffs as one example I think it would make for a cool video. You are extremely talented at trying new things in bowling right off the bat so I think it would be fun to see what you could do!

[@GorillaGlueEnthusiast]

That's awesome, I have my dad's 83 black diamond and I just picked up a 91 blue hammer, might be old school league night on Sunday! 😂

[@doctorrobert60]

Nice video! I had a black diamond back in the day but also had a black Manhattan Rubber ball that was one of my favoites. I had it with me in Mexico when going to school but was stolen-bag with ball and shoes. In those days all wood lanes for me but being lefthanded did not have track worn in lane like the righthanders dealt with. Miss the wood approaches and lanes!

[@kenfrank7708]

I had an old Black Beauty from the 50s that I plugged and redrilled fingertip in college that I won a regional in the early 80s. I often wonder with technology being what it is today, if a newly formulated rubber cover would work.

[@gamingwithgav_]

Awesome man I love bowling and I’m just now switching to two handed! Great vids!

[@titanlim8303]

Always a treat when 220 uploads :)

[@mikedurham3563]

I've got a couple old rubber balls that will part of the summer rotation with a modern Purple Hammer (shhh), a couple cored plastic balls, and an old urethane. Should be a fun summer, and hopefully my spare game improves.

[@ianhoneycutt3858]

The Black Diamond reminds me of how a purple hammer would react on house. You have to be sooooooo precise to get it to work

[@aaronmckinley6415]

I loved the EX!! I had that and the Pin Breaker (good Luck finding that ball) in the bag back in the 90's!! LOL

[@jeffcroft300]

That 1991 Xcalibur has such a sexy roll down lane, looks competition worthy in my eyes

[@nicholasblohowiak29]

That’s awesome. The black diamond was the ball I first started bowling with. Now I have a black and gold widow hammer

[@MayheM_72]

Back in the early 90s, I joined a long winter mixed league. At first, I was so bad, I couldn't break 100. I was trying to throw a polyester ball straight, and failing miserably. My boss was a semi-pro bowler who gave me an old hard rubber ball and told me how to throw a hook. (He never watched me bowl, and I never watched him bowl.) Once I has getting consistent throws, I bought a burgundy hammer, and everything changed. By the end of the same league season, I was CRUSHING my average, and had I high score of 276! I was accused of deliberately ruining my average in the beginning of the season to rake in the money on the handicapped high score pots at the end. I still have that burgundy Hammer today, as well as an Ebonite Nitro reactive ball.

[@SKIDOOS]

U should test them on old wood lanes so they could truly show there true colors on the original conditions they were used on back in the day 😮

[@egantw]

Also, the way they started oiling the lanes from the mid 70's on, basically ended the usefulness of any of those old classic balls. If you can find an old house with no oil, they'll still work!

[@SCMaglev261]

can i ask why the lane you were on is 11 when its the first one (is there another side of the bowling alley?)

[@adambradshaw8704]

For a long time, I games a "Super X" from Nu Line, one of my all-time favorite balls. Would love to see how it handles more modern surfaces, oils, etc. if you can find one.

[@matthewcalabresi504]

You got five three shots in a row with the black diamond, that was pretty consistent ngl

[@chuckscoinscash1425]

You could definitely see the difference in hitting power. Has the bridge cracking on the X-Calibur?

[@cliffsta87337]

Entertaining as always!

[@jenniferboone-sz1lo]

The Black Diamond is haunted. Tried to attack you. RUN !!!

[@220avg]

I’d attack me too if I kept getting insulted 😂

[@220avg]

[@automatedyoutubetraffic]

I used a Hard Rubber bowling ball when the Front part of the Lane was DRY. I moved target and feet to my right and shot 277. Paul

[@Koalaz1]

i've been using a black beauty the past few months for spares and as a strike ball. From 1958 I believe. Shot my previous high game of 268 with it I believe.

[@MOTORCITYBIG1]

i have a old brunswick from1981 was my dads, i had it as a play toy for my rotties it had some chunks missin, then i started bowling 10 years ago so i had it cleaned up an drilled for me. that ball will not hook. i was using it for 10 pins but now i don't really need a spare ball. good video mike

[@egantw]

The Black Diamond was the best we had back in the day; you shouldn't have called it "crap". It heard you and got vou!

[@tenfourproductionsllc]

Be interesting to see them on 1968 lane conditions and oiling with real wood.

[@lawrenceszczepanski2135]

You have to develop finesse in your game different techniques for shot making with a rubber ball. You'll be surprised how good they are still to this day

[@johncrosby7173]

It seems that you never adjusted for oil carry-down with the rubber ball. You made progressive adjustments with the reactive ball since you have experience with those adjustments. We probably need to see a urethane bowler use the rubber ball since they would probably have a better chance at making adjustments.

[@Jbmccain86]

I always wondered what happened to the rubber balls. Well that question was answered 😂

[@tbkrose1374]

love the overlay

[@chipotlelover217]

Great vid. Loved the 5-7-10 carry

[@theinsaneshecklador6598]

*Vintage 1890s wooden bowling ball* vs ........well vs anything really. I'd love to see someone throw one of those.

[@pezboy715]

Buncha bad breaks, but man, I’m dying laughing here 😂

[@xpoketokeyx4811]

The reason you kept going Brooklyn when felt like it was still a good shot you were setting the ball down on the lane earlier which gave the ball more time to react

[@ralphjerome2442]

Back in the 1960s a 165 avg, got you on the all star league and usually high average for the house was either high 190s or maybe a low 2 teen.

[@cheems4261]

Bro, I would love to own a black diamond ball, something that old would be interesting to use and is a piece of bowling history

[@coopergates9680]

That Xcalibur was good as new when you picked it up and its bridge already cracked?! lol

[@bobg4657]

Pins are definitely "easier" today than back in the 60's-70's.

[@Fred-nz9dp]

Black diamond bowling ball tend to hit hard! I had that ball going into gutter and jumped out at the pin box. It did slammed down 6 pins!

[@clowny2396]

I have a Black Beauty that I bowled with when I was in high school. Later on I bought an LT-48 that I still have as well which will hook a bit on synthetic lanes, but not much. I haven't used either for years. Used to use the Beauty for spare shots, but use a Storm Blackout Mix these days. Great video Mike! Enjoyed it. Proves that reactive is where it's at.

[@coopergates9680]

Tried both the OG LT-48 and LT-48 Rock. Rock hooks less but the OG struggles hard on carry down, unlike the rock. The Rock bows down to the orange dot because it rolls almost the same but hits better than the rock.

[@clowny2396]

@@coopergates9680 Mine is the OG LT-48.

[@IAmTheEggMan111]

My black diamond had a black diamond logo instead of the crown that yours has

[@nordattack]

The Diamond logo is from the earlier Black Diamonds. My Black Diamond has the Diamond logo and is from 1967.

[@IAmTheEggMan111]

@@nordattack I didn’t get my diamond until 1975 ish. I was a teenager. In any event mine looks like the one that Walter Ray throws

[@muphmangler5673]

Damn u just kept getting BONED all game🤣🤣

[@bigdaddy4555]

Looked normal with the rubber you went 12 at arrows 10 down lane and went half loaf. Fill shot was 10 at arrows nearly 5 down lane and greek church. You dont have 15 boards with a rubber ball. If you plsyed 10 to 5 the whole game and maintained your ball speed you would have shot 230 easily.

[@surfinbird208]

Shot my first 300 with an ebonite don carter 2 gyro rubber ball in 2018. It was after there was a lot of plastic ball burn and carry down. The key with those is hard and straight and to use the 2-3 board to your advantage. If you play on the cliff the over under with rubber is too much, as you saw.

[@EGGJAZZ]

that was fucking hillarious at the end

[@janderson8401]

Lesson learned: never say anything bad about one of your bowling balls unless it is sitting on the rack, on the floor or in your bag.

[@sm4r7sh4d3r]

Is the Excalibur still allowed on PBA? Would be funny that you reach the TV show and play with it and Randy goes "He using a 1991 Excalibur, man that bring back memories" or something like that :D

[@giovannigaul8095]

You need to make that black diamond 20lbs

[@lylebarnard7447]

More time has elapsed between the Nu-line bowling ball and today's bowling balls then has elapsed between that rubber bowling ball and the Nu-line

[@imonaboatmfg72]

Learned to bowl with a rubber ball. I'm also lefthanded. Back then that was womewhat of a curse. I carried a 185 average. I had not bowled in 23 years. All the muscle memory I had would not work with the new balls.

[@KaiTakApproach]

I have not been getting notifications for your videos. I want to have a word with the Postmaster.

[@JosiahMMA]

He likes your cut G

[@joshuareynolds1465]

Did I see a crack between the fingers on the Caliber in the first video you made with it?

[@220avg]

Yes😔

[@CurtisL8.3066]

@@220avg better plug than one my man, not like they are out there sitting on a shelf nowadays lol

[@skategeezer1810]

The black diamond was for bone dry lanes. Try an LT-48 instead.

[@Kawboy65]

This just proves that you really had to be a "shot maker" back in the days before modern equipment.

[@sealance]

A better comparison would be between the two "super" balls, the LT48 and the Excalibur.

[@wrendooley]

Throwing the way u throw does ur wrist hurt?

[@220avg]

No

[@whazam74]

Probably the first person to throw either of those 2 handed lol

[@MuttTheNoob]

Question is will u use that black diamond in tournaments lol

[@jackcasse]

I still have my dad's Columbia Black Knight.

[@philrichardson6697]

Shot my first 700 with the X wooo back in 92

[@Imaflippingegg]

Video idea: you should plug every hole in the 50 hole ball and see what happens.

[@Michaelpruis]

"Made in 1991" ... relatable

[@cousinjohncarstuff4568]

I think one person could score within 20 of each ball. Earl "The Machine" Anthony! (RIP) Please join a summer league throwing only the rubber ball. Would be interesting to see what you average over the course of a short season....

[@mikedamian2]

And this is why PAR was 200 and now should be 230....respect the old school😎

[@davigorb]

Should have tried LT48 or strike line instead that black Diamond. They called it a diamond for a reason

[@marshallfraser8390]

Should have grabbed a Turbo X I believe that ball really changed bowling.

[@bowlingxp8345]

Wow, the X-Calibur even though pearl looks very progressive. I wonder how my solid would do .

[@playdiscgolf1546]

Roll that rubber ball on the old Lacquer surface. That would be cool to see

[@gordn24555]

i member a old school have a yellow dot brunswick i think and he had 210-220 average with it

[@brank79]

Columbia yellow dot

[@VealParmigiana]

In my opinion your game is much better, and your release smoother and more repeatable with two hands. I think that you should practice exclusively with two hands.

[@marcf478]

(Favorite part) Garbage ball attacks! LOLOLOL!!!

[@tonyrauls1941]

In the 60s-70s you'd be 180 avg bowler. Maybe even less with how lanes were oiled. Watch Bo Burton or Earl Anthony throw that equipment, power with finesse, it was a totally different game. Probably better, because someone like me would never have a 300 game under his belt lol

[@alexbarnard1372]

Ha, you said balls 😂

[@CurtisL8.3066]

Put a fresh 360 on that rubber ball, it will move then lol

[@bigkahuna3714]

Xcalibur is money good option on tour when they dry up

[@tomy5868]

through first 300 with Black Beauty in 1994

[@Cdcd4393]

Haha what an ending.

[@theinsaneshecklador6598]

RIP 220 bowler. You will be missed.

[@SCMaglev261]

what

[@theinsaneshecklador6598]

@@SCMaglev261 The Black Diamond killed him at the end of the video.

[@scottythompson940]

Cool tech bowling bowling ball old bowling ball 220 adverage bowler

[@bcsolorza]

You are a great bowler. Why not try pba tour?

[@lylebarnard7447]

Black Diamond doesn't flare

[@davyjones922]

The Diamond isnt really made for todays cranking style. Move your shot with it far right and play down the first arrow and in and the results would have been much better.

[@TessNMM]

Redo with black diamond at 2k

[@aydengianes2515]

Bro rubber is not garbage i shot my new high and very first 278 with the 1960s amf magic lane with the 3 white dots